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TheKaeptain
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(12-20-2015, 10:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ether_Snake

It makes much more sense of Rey's parents to have been killed by Kylo.

Mara Jade 2.0

Originally Posted by KingHenrik30

Rey is Luke's daughter, Kylo killed her mother

Welcome back from the EU Mara Jade

Yeah this is what we're getting.
RyanW
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(12-20-2015, 10:31 PM)

Originally Posted by diaspora

You do know who is mother is, right?

Edit: Saw your next post, woops
Dead
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(12-20-2015, 10:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by KingHenrik30

Rey is Luke's daughter, Kylo killed her mother

Welcome back from the EU Mara Jade

Lmao people would lose it if they name Luke's dead wife Mara.
diaspora
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(12-20-2015, 10:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by sphagnum

He's a Skywalker/Solo. Leia's only not called Skywalker because of adoption.

Right. That's my point. Kylo Ren makes this a Skywalker story and allows the trilogy to have a non-Skywalker Jedi hero.
MMarston
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(12-20-2015, 10:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by 16BitNova

I posted way early this morning. Here's my speculation.

Going along with the Darth Plagueis is Snoke theory. Rumors from before about Anakin's birth was that Plagueis actually did figure out how to manipulate the force (or midicholorians, whatever) to create life, and therefore he created Anakin (which is why his midicholorian count was off the charts) essentially being his "Father".

What if Snoke is Plaguies, and saw Anakin as a failed attempt, so he tried again with Rey. Creating her. Sure it still leaves it open to who her mother may be. But, this could also explain her connection to Luke/Skywalker's since essentially she is like Anakin's sister.

Edit: Even if Snoke isn't Plaguies, maybe he learned the power of creating life and created Rey. And he was the one who left Rey on Jakku. Would explain why he left her to that asshole merchant guy. Bad guy connections.

Too far fetched?

This is great, but yeah, it's too far fetched of a move this series is willing to take.

Also, it would make the prequels necessary viewing now haha
jstripes
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(12-20-2015, 10:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by JetBlackPanda

Seems to me that Rey is lukes daughter and Luke put her in hiding on Jakku after he saw what happened to Kylo and he destroyed his order.

I like the theory that she was one of his most promising trainees, so he mind-wiped her and put her in hiding before Kylo Ren could get to her.
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(12-20-2015, 10:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by sphagnum

Further explanation on how R2 woke up at the end:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20...-force-awakens

This was definitely a moment that needed some explaining.

Wow, this is horrible. Putting Luke at the end because they didn't know what to do with him? And R2 had the map because he downloaded the Death Star's database 30 years ago? Why would the Empire know where the first temple is, but the Republic archives wouldn't? I'm not going to say 'lazy' writing because they obviously struggled to make all the pieces fit, but they should've hired a better writer to do so.

The bit about going on a quest to recover information from the sunken remains of the 2nd Death Star sounds pretty awesome though.
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(12-20-2015, 10:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Future PhaZe

Tried 3D for my second viewing. I actually thought the 3D itself was pretty good...nice depth between the background and foreground that I didn't notice in my 2D viewing, but holy fuck the blurriness and the darkening of the picture was just not worth it.

They've got to find a solution for this with 3D moving forward.

Laser IMAX corrects all of that
Vincent Alexander
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(12-20-2015, 10:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Messypandas

STOP sleeping on Reys Theme

This was such a great introduction to her. It does what every theme should---it expresses Rey's personality. And does a damn good job of it. I hear this theme and I can't help but think of Rey.
Real Hero
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(12-20-2015, 10:33 PM)
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also for me , C3PO had the funniest moment in the movie interrupting the reunion. That was straight out of empire strikes back.
Makoto
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(12-20-2015, 10:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chitown B

it's been discussed and is the "obvious" and boring idea.

The movie has not even been out for a week and people are still seeing it for the first time. If that idea is already grating you then the spoiler thread might not be for you right now.
TheXbox
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(12-20-2015, 10:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tom Nook Sawyer

To be fair to Williams, this movie's pace is so far off-the-charts compared to the OT, I don't even know if there was enough time to put in a meaninful score, without it being interpreted by banter or a scene change

Not surprisingly, the music shines when there's almost no dialogue. Our intro to Rey, the Jedi Steps, the opening moments of the film, the scene where Rey snatches Luke's saber - in general, I think, the movie could've used some more quietude. The near constant-dialogue stifles any opportunity for the soundtrack to breathe.
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(12-20-2015, 10:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by stuminus3

There's no way Rey is a Kenobi. Both the OT and PT are Skywalker stories. Star Wars is a Skywalker story. Kenobis are nobody.

Except when they fuck up Skywalker's
Tom Nook Sawyer
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(12-20-2015, 10:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Korey



Previous reviews:

The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
Man of Steel
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
Cloud Atlas
Looper
The Dark Knight Rises
The Amazing Spider-Man
The Avengers

That is pretty great; agreed on almost all counts. You just rated it a bit higher than I expected
TheKaeptain
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(12-20-2015, 10:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by eyeball_kid

Wow, this is horrible. Putting Luke at the end because they didn't know what to do with him? And R2 had the map because he downloaded the Death Star's database 30 years ago? Why would the Empire know where the first temple is, but the Republic archives wouldn't? I'm not going to say 'lazy' writing because they obviously struggled to make all the pieces fit, but they should've hired a better writer to do so.

The bit about going on a quest to recover information from the sunken remains of the 2nd Death Star sounds pretty awesome though.

You have to remember the Republic became the Empire. The new Republic set up shop but the remnants of the Empire probably took everything and high tailed it out of town after the Death Star blew up.
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(12-20-2015, 10:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by sploatee

The section with the Rathtars (?) was possibly the weakest part of the film. It just didn't sit right with me; the creatures were a little too obviously CGI and the space pirates seemed to be from a different film. It did make me chuckle though.

What I didn't like in that part is Finn's blatant 'plot armor'. The pirates were eaten immediately by the Rathtars when they were caught, but Finn was dragged around to fuck knows where when HE got caught.
MMarston
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(12-20-2015, 10:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Korey

snip

Lot's of nitpicking here.


Like Adam Driver's face. People hated the prequels for a lot of things, but the facial similarities of Hayden and Hamill were the last thing on people's minds.
Effect
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(12-20-2015, 10:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by RDreamer

Someone's post on that R2D2 explanation regarding the novel:



Why in fuck did they cut all this crucial shit from the novel? I don't get it. This is like the 3rd or 4th really needed piece of information that should have been in the movie...

I really need to read the novel and I'm wondering if I should do that before I see the film again.

Honestly reading Revenge of the Sith made the film more enjoyable for me. I saw the movie first, then read the novel and then saw the film again with knowledge of some of the thoughts of the characters,etc. It made everything more enjoyable for me. I fully understand why some stuff isn't done in films but even from a first watching of TFA it's clear some stuff should have been included.
Lilith
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(12-20-2015, 10:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Killer Queen

So,when are those Rey body pillows coming out?...My uh...friend wants one, yeah.

My ...uh..friend is desperate to get one of those Kylo Ren body pillows.
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(12-20-2015, 10:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by sphagnum

Further explanation on how R2 woke up at the end:



http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20...-force-awakens

This was definitely a moment that needed some explaining.

Lol this is total codswallop. They didn't even have R2 wake up because of BB8 saying anything to her, she just wakes up.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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(12-20-2015, 10:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheXbox

Not surprisingly, the music shines when there's almost no dialogue. Our intro to Rey, the Jedi Steps, the opening moments of the film, the scene where Rey snatches Luke's saber - in general, I think, the movie could've used some more quietude. The near constant-dialogue stifles any opportunity for the soundtrack to breathe.

I totally agree
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(12-20-2015, 10:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheXbox

Not surprisingly, the music shines when there's almost no dialogue. Our intro to Rey, the Jedi Steps, the opening moments of the film, the scene where Rey snatches Luke's saber - in general, I think, the movie could've used some more quietude. The near constant-dialogue stifles any opportunity for the soundtrack to breathe.

Jedi Steps is definitely amazing and I don't think you could have asked for a better composition to the lead up to Lukes reveal. It was perfect.
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(12-20-2015, 10:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by stuminus3

There's no way Rey is a Kenobi. Both the OT and PT are Skywalker stories. Star Wars is a Skywalker story. Kenobis are nobody.

It's possible Rey is both.

What a twist that'd be.
Randdalf
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(12-20-2015, 10:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by DiipuSurotu

Because his work on TFA is rather subpar?

I completely disagree, Rey's Theme is the best thing he's done in years. The soundtrack overall has a lot of great moments in general, but with everything moving at breakneck speed there's not much opportunity for gazing into the binary sunset or watching Yoda lift the X-Wing out of the marsh. Some of the better moments of the film are made by the music: our introduction to Rey; the ending on the island; the arrival of the X-wings.

We also get good themes for Poe Dameron ("I Can Fly Anything"), Finn ("Follow Me"), Kylo Ren ("Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle", "On The Inside"), even an upbeat march as a counterpoint for the Imperial March ("March of the Resistance"). The end credits music ("Jedi Steps and Finale") is a broad summary of all of these.

I would also point out that Empire Strikes Back is where Star Wars truly became a musical tour de force, the film that introduced Yoda's Theme and more famously the Imperial March, plus classic pieces like "The Asteroid Field".
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(12-20-2015, 10:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Korey



Previous reviews:

The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
Man of Steel
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
Cloud Atlas
Looper
The Dark Knight Rises
The Amazing Spider-Man
The Avengers

This movie is as good as Man of Steel to you?
Ishida
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(12-20-2015, 10:37 PM)
I really liked the movie, but the constant nostalgia pandering really bothered me. A lot of the movie felt like a rethreading of Episode IV, down to the new "Death Star". While I truly enjoyed the trip, it felt like it somehow lacked an identity of its own.

It starts with the desert planet, and the droid entrusted with some schematics (A map, in this case) who meets with the desert kid, who in turn starts a journey.

Oh! And here's Han Solo! But old! And Leia! But old! Hey! Is that the ball drone that Obi-Wan used to train Luke on board the Millenium Falcon?

I won't lie, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, and I had goosebumps all over my skin. But after the hype died out a little I felt like the movie, aside from killin Han, played everything too safe. Like it was too much pandering.

I also resented the fact that we don't get explanations for a lot of things, and the universe/galaxy seems kind of unimportant now. Sure, it's great that they are focusing on the characters, but I would also like for them to expand on this new Republic. We are told they exist, and they get blasted to pieces.

Kylo Ren's motivations, so far, seem pretty underwhelming. I get that he was seduced to the Dark Side by Snoke, but... I don't know... I'm still not convinced on his motives. So far I only got that he was angry at Han for being a bad father... I really hope that's not the reason for his turning.


The lightsaber fights were AWESOME, however. Not as slow as in the OT, not as fancy as in the PT, but a nice middle ground. I loved the anger and fury on each slash and clash.



Originally Posted by Korey

Mmmh... Pretty much this. But I'd give it a 8/10. As I said, I liked it, I really enjoyed the experience. But it was definitely too safe, too much pandering to the OT to the point where it feels too fan-servicey.
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Fliesen
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(12-20-2015, 10:37 PM)
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btw, Rey always calls it waiting for her "family" - not parents or anything like that.

Family could be fellow Jedi padawans, Space orphans, who knows.

Just pointing out it's not specifically and explicitly "parents"

Originally Posted by Ishida


Oh! And here's Han Solo! But old! And Leia! But old! Hey! Is that the ball drone that Obi-Wan used to train Luke on board the Millenium Falcon?

I

i think many of these callbacks were used really well though. In a way that StarWars enthusiasts would pick up on them and the general audience wouldn't be confused by something that seems out of place. Depending on how much you're into StarWars and its lore, you might have picked up on none, some, many or even all of these callbacks.
Like the ball droid, the gas masks they wore in that Mynok infested cave / throat, the 'garbage' millenium falcon, the Kessel run in 12 parsecs, the Dejarik table ...

I do believe there's plenty of identity to be found in this movie. Especially the jokes were almost entirely fresh and non-recylced.
Such as BB8's antics. Chewie being a big hairy crybaby, the stormtroopers walking backwards, the Jedi mind trick scene.
The only joke i remember being a recycled one was C3PO being 'in the way' of Han and Leia, R2D2 being rude to C3PO, and the "trash compactor" line.
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diaspora
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(12-20-2015, 10:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toa TAK

This movie is as good as Man of Steel to you?

They're all 7/10 except for the Avengers. I think the point is to look at the pros/cons.
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(12-20-2015, 10:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by jstripes

I like the theory that she was one of his most promising trainees, so he mind-wiped her and put her in hiding before Kylo Ren could get to her.

In the vision it looks like Kylo does get to her, unless she's seeing what her mother saw.
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(12-20-2015, 10:38 PM)
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I love that some of the critics I frequently see are "I don't like that it retreads old star wars too much" but then you have right after "Why isn't Kylo Ren more cool like Darth Vader/Maul, why didn't we have a big reveal of family like in episode 5"
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(12-20-2015, 10:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Randdalf

n an upbeat march as a counterpoint for the Imperial March ("March of the Resistance").

I would also point out that Empire Strikes Back is where Star Wars truly became a musical tour de force, the film that introduced Yoda's Theme and more famously the Imperial March, plus classic pieces like "The Asteroid Field".

the original has an amazing score, Empire just as an even better one
RyanW
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(12-20-2015, 10:38 PM)
So now that's set in and a lot of us have seen a couple of times do you guys still feel they way you did after first seeing it? Or has the "honeymoon phase" set in?
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(12-20-2015, 10:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Korey

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TIlqV6r.png[IMG]

Nice to know I wasn't the only one that didn't like the light side seduction angle.
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Originally Posted by Solo

It means that between corporate and creative they essentially came up with a generic Star Wars checklist of all the things that must be in Star Wars because reasons, and then proceeded to write a script that ticked every box. It's not inherently a bad thing, it just means the film isn't taking chances.

Exactly. You don't call in JJ if you want a risky movie. He is a very safe pair of hands that will get your film in on time and with little to no bumps.
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(12-20-2015, 10:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by CassidyIzABeast

Well they really botched that one in the movie.

I wouldn't say botched it. We knew WHERE the map was, and when Artoo turns on 3PO does say "Artoo has found something."

The only links missing are that Artoo had the archives downloaded, and that he woke up when he heard that.
diaspora
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(12-20-2015, 10:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Makoto

Nice to know I wasn't the only one that didn't like the light side seduction angle.

The whole point of the dark side is to fall to seductions and passions. How the fuck does someone get seduced by the light?
Neoweee
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(12-20-2015, 10:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toa TAK

This movie is as good as Man of Steel to you?

They are joke reviews. All 7/10, which itself is a meme.
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(12-20-2015, 10:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by diaspora

The whole point of the dark side is to fall to seductions and passions. How the fuck does someone get seduced by the light?

Ben Solo doesn't want to listen to his conscience
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(12-20-2015, 10:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by diaspora

The whole point of the dark side is to fall to seductions and passions. How the fuck does someone get seduced by the light?

Ask darth Vader.
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(12-20-2015, 10:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by diaspora

They're all 7/10 except for the Avengers. I think the point is to look at the pros/cons.

And Cloud Atlas
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(12-20-2015, 10:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fliesen

btw, Rey always calls it waiting for her "family" - not parents or anything like that.

Family could be fellow Jedi padawans, Space orphans, who knows.

Just pointing out it's not specifically and explicitly "parents"

Toa TAK
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(12-20-2015, 10:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoweee

They are joke reviews. All 7/10, which itself is a meme.

I can't ever tell with these things.

Didn't know 7/10 was a meme, though.
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(12-20-2015, 10:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by diaspora

The whole point of the dark side is to fall to seductions and passions. How the fuck does someone get seduced by the light?

"seduced by the light" might very well be one's instincts telling them that they're being a shitty person and should probably stop acting like that, albeit stated more grandiosely.

In the context of Ben, it might also be his Jedi teachings bubbling back up to the surface in the back of his mind.
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Took my wife to see the phantom of the opera for her birthday and we decided to go to an 11:15pm showing on the way home, so glad we did!

Loved it. Knew most of the plot already due to the spoilers which was a shame but enjoyed it nonetheless. Only complaint is Daisy Ridley needs to tone it down a bit.
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It's really stupid when you think about it: if R2 turned on before they left for Starkiller, they would have had the complete map and could have possibly gotten Luke. Not sure it would have changed much, but maybe Han could have waited for Luke before deciding on going on Starkiller.
MMarston
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(12-20-2015, 10:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by diaspora

The whole point of the dark side is to fall to seductions and passions. How the fuck does someone get seduced by the light?

https://youtu.be/pSOBeD1GC_Y?t=16s
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(12-20-2015, 10:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Korey



Previous reviews:

The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
Man of Steel
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
Cloud Atlas
Looper
The Dark Knight Rises
The Amazing Spider-Man
The Avengers

I mostly agree, though there are like 5 cons that are pretty much the same one and it seems like you kept rephrasing it just to make the picture larger :P I specially agree with your criticism to Han and Leia's relationship though - their only and last meaningful conversation was an uninspired exposition piece that didn't really say anything anyone who had been watching the movie didn't already know.
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Originally Posted by Cross-Section

"seduced by the light" might very well be one's instincts telling them that they're being a shitty person and should probably stop acting like that, albeit stated more grandiosely.

In the context of Ben, it might also be his Jedi teachings bubbling back up to the surface in the back of his mind.

My issue isn't with fighting to stay with the darkside, just describing it as a seduction as idiotic.
TheKaeptain
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(12-20-2015, 10:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Brakke

Lol this is total codswallop. They didn't even have R2 wake up because of BB8 saying anything to her, she just wakes up.

Why do you keep referring to R2 as a girl? the droid is constantly referred to as a "he".


Threepio: "Uh, I'm quite sure you'll be very pleased with that one,
sir. He really is in first-class condition. I've worked with him
before. Here he comes.""


Originally Posted by diaspora

The whole point of the dark side is to fall to seductions and passions. How the fuck does someone get seduced by the light?

Because empathy.

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