LaunchpadMcQ
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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part
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Not sure where you're getting at...
This vote is typoed, btw. The scripts remove it, but I'm adding it in manually atm, but I hope you revote, Time.
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It's meant as a baseline for people to understand how Trackers tracking each other looks like.
If Blarg and I didn't claim anything on D1 about our roles, we would Track each other on N1, and could not reasonably assume anything more than "the other person has a role and targeted us."
However, Blarg DID claim Tracker, which puts my result into focus. However, from Blawl's POV, I still looked like "just a role".
FWIW I believe R_F's script will re-check the entire thread each time it's run. So if you're ok with us editing a post to fix a typo, that may be an option. You can check with him just to be sure if you want too (in case it changed).
Guys, guys lets not be hasty. I think there are a couple possible explanations for what's going on here.
1) yea, the trackers tracked the trackers tracking the trackers who tracked them. (Assuming the Kark is telling the truth about them being trackers. Having some other role, knowing that they visited me and Blarg and putting together a tracker claim isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. Runs the risk of multiple people having visited us and outing themselves though, so I lean towards believing they are trackers as well.) Kark and Zipped were the biggest antagonist of me and Blargs claims yesterday. They were at points both difficult and obtuse. We knew we needed to have something to show for our claim or we would be in deep trouble, figured from some of the strength of their reactions that maybe they were a PR themselves.
2) if anything the tracker claim was appended to the miller claim, not vice versa. We have put forth our logic on why we claimed and regardless of your claim we were going to claim as I do believe it's the most pro town move for a miller to do. I don't play meta game dectetive and try to figure out what the game runners would and would not include. I only know the role I've been given and try to make the best plays with that information.
3) Negative, mi amigo. All I knew at that point for sure is that there was a role that visited me and Blarg. I didn't (and still don't) know for sure that they are trackers as they claim. And I was saying that the pair that visited us should know the truth because we knew for a fact someone visited us. Hard for us to know that if we weren't trackers (although it would have been a halfway decent guess given our d1 claim).
I think the fourth option of KarkHead not being a tracker needs to be considered as well.
1) yea, the trackers tracked the trackers tracking the trackers who tracked them. (Assuming the Kark is telling the truth about them being trackers. Having some other role, knowing that they visited me and Blarg and putting together a tracker claim isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. Runs the risk of multiple people having visited us and outing themselves though, so I lean towards believing they are trackers as well.) Kark and Zipped were the biggest antagonist of me and Blargs claims yesterday. They were at points both difficult and obtuse. We knew we needed to have something to show for our claim or we would be in deep trouble, figured from some of the strength of their reactions that maybe they were a PR themselves.
2) if anything the tracker claim was appended to the miller claim, not vice versa. We have put forth our logic on why we claimed and regardless of your claim we were going to claim as I do believe it's the most pro town move for a miller to do. I don't play meta game dectetive and try to figure out what the game runners would and would not include. I only know the role I've been given and try to make the best plays with that information.
3) Negative, mi amigo. All I knew at that point for sure is that there was a role that visited me and Blarg. I didn't (and still don't) know for sure that they are trackers as they claim. And I was saying that the pair that visited us should know the truth because we knew for a fact someone visited us. Hard for us to know that if we weren't trackers (although it would have been a halfway decent guess given our d1 claim).
I think the fourth option of KarkHead not being a tracker needs to be considered as well.
I look forward to your insight (especially since you're fresh eyes). I also look forward to your reasoning on that vote when you're caught up.
Why are we outlining the possbile lynch targets? Ain't that the whole point of the game? We win the game by killing the scum. You can't be serious when you say that thanks to my and bat's posts, scum will now somehow think to avoid Fluxaisis; I think they decided on that on minute six of this game. Like Camjo has said, Fluxaisis will continue to be the thorn in our side up until the moment they are confirmed either through a trustworthy role or a kill. You complain about generalities while ignoring the specifics. Why so fluffy?
This is a bit of a crazy idea that just hit me, but we could alternatively leave Blarg alone for now, and see what happens N2. Does one of us die? What new result can we get from a Tracker role? Maybe we let Blarg prove himself with another tracking result.
Just an idea, as I do believe we've possibly uncovered another fish to fry.
Just an idea, as I do believe we've possibly uncovered another fish to fry.
I'm not really sure why this is an issue.
It's also ultimately pointless because the game isnt static. It will change as we see behaviours and night actions.
Players letting each other know how they think is very important to all of town.
What's the benefit here? If we have two trackers it seems way more likely they are on opposite teams, so if you're a town tracker this should be a slam dunk case for you? Yet now you're suggesting we give them another night to fish for town PRs because... ?
Dusk Soldier
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Ok, so here is my thoughts on what I think have been the major events this game so far:
i. Flux's roleclaim
I absolutely think he made a fake claim. This is a bit of a meta-analysis, but I've noticed on the Gafia games I've played that late-day, people are very open to being talked out of their initial votes leading to late-day vote piles ups in the final hours of the day. He probably gambled that being the early-day easy vote would mean that most people would be looking elsewhere to place their late-day votes.
It also made him an obvious target for night actions, so he may have been gambling on being protected by the doctor.
ii. Blarg/Kawl aka the Millers
The setup of the game has already made us in to defacto miller teams. So I highly doubt their is a team of miller couples floating around. That kind of voting block would break the game for scum.
Also a LOT of fluff posts from Blarg. That's normal for him though isn't it?
iii. NF/Tim
These two posted very little, and were flying almost completely under the radar until the trio of Flux/Launchpad/Blarg suddenly decided to target them. Hours before the end of the day.
iv. No night kill
Some people have speculated that their are potential some more immunity roles. But I think the most likely thing that happened was a doctor role protected someone from the night kill.
I'm sure there's some other major stuff I missed. But yeah, my thoughts for now.
i. Flux's roleclaim
I absolutely think he made a fake claim. This is a bit of a meta-analysis, but I've noticed on the Gafia games I've played that late-day, people are very open to being talked out of their initial votes leading to late-day vote piles ups in the final hours of the day. He probably gambled that being the early-day easy vote would mean that most people would be looking elsewhere to place their late-day votes.
It also made him an obvious target for night actions, so he may have been gambling on being protected by the doctor.
ii. Blarg/Kawl aka the Millers
The setup of the game has already made us in to defacto miller teams. So I highly doubt their is a team of miller couples floating around. That kind of voting block would break the game for scum.
Also a LOT of fluff posts from Blarg. That's normal for him though isn't it?
iii. NF/Tim
These two posted very little, and were flying almost completely under the radar until the trio of Flux/Launchpad/Blarg suddenly decided to target them. Hours before the end of the day.
iv. No night kill
Some people have speculated that their are potential some more immunity roles. But I think the most likely thing that happened was a doctor role protected someone from the night kill.
I'm sure there's some other major stuff I missed. But yeah, my thoughts for now.
Oh, is he? Must have missed that. This is how needing to catch up feels...
But...
I think this is a dangerous assumption. I don't think we should be locked into the idea that they're on opposite ends. What if one of the tracker teams flips Town? Do we immediately decide to lynch the other with the assumption that they're scum? What if they're Town too? Seems risky.
Yes, it's pretty bad game design to set up an inevitable chain of mislynches. I have faith in Burb not to do something so silly
Dusk Soldier
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Yeah I guess come to think of it, I've never heard of the miller role, and just assumed he meant masons.
I guess you can disregard my thoughts on that claim.
Giant Panda
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That doesn't sound like bad game design to me. That sounds like the players making overly broad assumptions.
Bad game design? This sounds more like players jumping to conclusions and screwing themselves in the process.
Two people claiming the same (powerful) role in a 15 player game? If you can't lynch from that you might as well RNG the entire game
It's definitely something that seems awry, but what I'm saying is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions that one of them is necessarily scum. Just... consider other possibilities.
If Blarg and I are on the same team, it is shit game design and our claim today was pretty much scripted by the gamerunner.
Obviously, I agree that two trackers here really seem like they're on opposite sides, and I'm definitely not trying to dissuade people from taking action. I'm just thinking, IF it came to us not lynching either my team or Blarg's, there will still be something to glean from our N2 involvement.
Surrounded me with gossips will you!
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Missed opportunity for TyBo.
Someone photoshop this onto Billy Blanks.
LaunchpadMcQ
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So, I want to throw our a hypothetical.
Blarg seems very likely to be scum. I see the writing on the wall. I don't mean to save him; I think he has to go.
However, what if he flips town? Do we automatically go back to tear down Karkador's home? I have a very bad feeling that Blarg is town. I still think we need to test it, but I believe he is town. I just don't want to come back and go after Kark after, because I also believe he is town. I thought he was town before he had a strong contradictory claim.
Blarg seems very likely to be scum. I see the writing on the wall. I don't mean to save him; I think he has to go.
However, what if he flips town? Do we automatically go back to tear down Karkador's home? I have a very bad feeling that Blarg is town. I still think we need to test it, but I believe he is town. I just don't want to come back and go after Kark after, because I also believe he is town. I thought he was town before he had a strong contradictory claim.
I woud agree with you generally speaking, but then... the other possibilities have to be great, because killing one town tracker instantly moves my Vote to the other - which is a sensible move in my opinion considering the circumstances. You can play the "But what if...!"-game only so long. The one thing we shouldn't do is turbo anyone - which is possibly what you are trying to say, admittedly.
If Blarg gets voted out today, we'll go to N2. If we die there, you'll see we weren't bullshitting you - and Mafia will be the one confirming us. If they let us live, we might have another result to share....I did say we were X-shot, but I deliberately left out how many uses we have left.
How much could it be worth to Mafia to get rid of us on N2?
Do you have a reply for my last question?
I don't think they were expecting to run into another Tracker.
You also have to wonder what ~1 week of pre-planning before the game does for a Blarg-style gambit.
Zippedpinhead
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We are actually discussing this theory in our couple chat. We both picked up on another team (the same team independent of each other's doing some scummy stuff. If we survive today we are developing a plan of tracking for tomorrow.
Can you tell me why you chose The Best Exotic Marigold Oldie Shaggers?
I read town on Kark myself, and looking at your posts, Kawl had him as town whereas Blarg....posts twice being a bit more suspicious.
Kawl especially has a lot of nulls and suspicious reads in his list, but to choose a town lean seems....odd?
I read town on Kark myself, and looking at your posts, Kawl had him as town whereas Blarg....posts twice being a bit more suspicious.
Kawl especially has a lot of nulls and suspicious reads in his list, but to choose a town lean seems....odd?
Look, Kark, the subtle means by which you defame us by continually repeating the tactics revolving around facing an early Miller introduction and subsequent natural suspicion resultant, is a hella cheap trick of a lynch push. Because that's what you are. Doing.
This is what we got, and we served it to you. I won't apologize for it being concurrent with the whole Timeflux debacle. Kawl, agree with me
And, you know what; honestly, I don't give a damn if Team Timeflux chooses to peek at us Tonight or not. If we benefit or not, whatevs, and vice versa. That public pre-empting shit's extra to OUR OG Miller claim; they may have been first, but we were First. I mean, do you honestly believe that Kawl and I based OUR flawless tandem debut on their flaccid, uncoordinated entrance? pls
So, like, if you're really feeling that way about us, Kark, then go drop that red already and build your policy traction after the fact. Stop circle-strafing and get to it.
Do it, Kark.
I want you to do it
Or start coming up with more plans on how to use us, because I'm lazy
If he's scum he could be lying? Or just a scum tracker, I don't see what's insane about it
That's a good thought cabot.
Anyways folks, going off of what we've had for the past day, I'll go ahead and leave my vote here for the time being. It really feels like we're in a bit of a tough situation where the only way we're gonna make headway is from getting some clearer reads. As it stands right now, I am really not liking Flux's role claim, and Kark's calling out of Blawl is making it hard for me to decide between the two. I'll stick by my boat buddy for now. I just want it on record that I can go either way at the moment.
Vote: FluxWaveZ
Anyways folks, going off of what we've had for the past day, I'll go ahead and leave my vote here for the time being. It really feels like we're in a bit of a tough situation where the only way we're gonna make headway is from getting some clearer reads. As it stands right now, I am really not liking Flux's role claim, and Kark's calling out of Blawl is making it hard for me to decide between the two. I'll stick by my boat buddy for now. I just want it on record that I can go either way at the moment.
Vote: FluxWaveZ
I'm lost 
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One of Blawl and Karkhead has to go. I'm still upset about Flux, but Splinter has a point about that no kill night, even though we can't attribute it directly to that awful claim. And we still can't say anything about Flux' alignment.
Old perverts vs. Best friends
Who is more likely to be loveless?
Vote: Karkador
I'm with Blarg on this one. Scum tried to kill Blawl and were seen. Knowing they'll be revealed, they took the active approach and counterclaimed to get rid of the tracker.
If I'm wrong and I'm very well aware of the possibility, we'll have to go after Blawl next.
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Coppa, that theory of mine was just that a theory, note that Kark came up with the same shit later. It would be nice if it worked that way, but it's never going to happen.
...One of Blawl and Karkhead has to go. I'm still upset about Flux, but Splinter has a point about that no kill night, even though we can't attribute it directly to that awful claim. And we still can't say anything about Flux' alignment.
Old perverts vs. Best friends
Who is more likely to be loveless?
Vote: Karkador
I'm with Blarg on this one. Scum tried to kill Blawl and were seen. Knowing they'll be revealed, they took the active approach and counterclaimed to get rid of the tracker.
If I'm wrong and I'm very well aware of the possibility, we'll have to go after Blawl next.
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Coppa, that theory of mine was just that a theory, note that Kark came up with the same shit later. It would be nice if it worked that way, but it's never going to happen.
My issue with this is the high chance of there being a doctor saving Blawl. In this scenario Karkhead had no idea Blawl targeted them and had to guess that he targeted them. Kark brought up a good point showing the lack of suspicion thrown at Kark from Blawl.
I'm not yet sold on lynching one of them. I just don't feel I have a grasp on the whole thing and have been too lazy to read up on them in detail.
I'm lost
One of Blawl and Karkhead has to go. I'm still upset about Flux, but Splinter has a point about that no kill night, even though we can't attribute it directly to that awful claim. And we still can't say anything about Flux' alignment.
Old perverts vs. Best friends
Who is more likely to be loveless?
Vote: Karkador
I'm with Blarg on this one. Scum tried to kill Blawl and were seen. Knowing they'll be revealed, they took the active approach and counterclaimed to get rid of the tracker.
Why would maf try to kill miller N1 though? Even with Tracker powers, that seems like the type of claim you might want to keep alive for a while due to the suspicion it arises. Also, Blarg didn't even say who they tracked, so maf could easily kill them tonight before they can say anything. There's no need to counterclaim. If Kark is maf, he'd just be trading himself for one townie. Is that a trade they'd be willing to make so early in the game?
The problem here is that Kark wouldn't know that Blarg targeted them... unless Kark just so happens to be the scum tracker. It's all just a bit too convenient.
Like We've said already part of the reasoning for selecting them was due to the fact that they seemed to be working with more information than some others in the thread. They were very vocally against both claims and their weird night action order dealio was strange. I thought it was a toss up of them being town PR or scum but wasn't sure either way (and still remain unsure of their alignment).
We felt they were one of the teams most likely to have a night action helping us verify our claim. That was the second priority of our night action as we knew if we came up empty things looked bleak for me and Blarg, which could possibly lead to another town pr lynch for the second day in a row contingent on how the other claim from day 1 panned out.