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Splinter post if you're ok! Wait...
Anyway, we have to conserve posts so I'll pack a few different topics into this one post.
Aren't dictates usually passed down by the gods themselves in most mythologies? So it seems likely each god chose a dictate. It will be interesting to see if they get to choose a dictate for each day.
Did you know something when you suggested that the god-slayer was a neutral?
Finally, why was flatearthpandas calling Darryl Derrick yesterday? Am I missing something here?
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Actually, I don't like any of this post. You claim you're going to pack in a few topics, such town, but then everything you do mention is kind of meh.
First in your point about dictates you describe a chain of logic to lead to the very obvious conclusion. This reads to me like you already knew about dictates, but underestimated how obvious this conclusion is.
Then you ask if Seath knew anything or was just speculating. Seath already claimed he was speculating and I doubt he's going to change story just because you asked again. I think a neutral god slayer is a reasonable guess to make anyway, so I don't really understand this line of questioning (that
Sophia is also taking in even more detail). Perhaps one of you could tell me what other answers you thought you might get from this and what it means? Is there some reason to think scum would have extra knowledge about a neutral?
Next I want to talk about the assumption that Gorlak would be NK'd. On one hand, he claimed a reasonably powerful role, and it makes sense for scum to want him out of the game. On the other hand he's under so much suspicion that he's still an easy lynch, and his claimed PR could be used against him here to aid the lynch. Personally I wouldn't expect him to be NK'd, and am instantly suspicious of everyone suggesting this (which seems to be
Sophia,
CrimsonFist and
Zipped at the moment (although to Sophia's credit she doesn't use this to throw shade at Gorlak, unlike the others)). However if his claim is true then he protected himself last night... which makes it somewhat more likely he was targeted (as we had no deaths). Hmm, I need to think about this one, but his apparently successful self-protect makes me a little less trusting of this claim.
I don't like the Crimson and Zipped posts above because they aren't even interested in hearing about Gorlak's overnight power usage. I'd think that even if you didn't trust him you'd want his full story laid out for scrutiny asap. You both just dropped a vote without even asking for his info.
Since I'm on these two, lets look at their subtle-as-a-brick soft claims:
Also I have another very good reason for being certain that Gorlak is scum.
Well, ok, you are suggesting you have some extra info - most likely related to a PR - to suggest Gorlak is scum. This justifies your first post somewhat, although I don't understand why you felt the need to do this. It looks like Gorlak was well on his way to being lynched without you hinting at a power.
I've been thinking about yesterday and 100% I believe Sophia is town. No question about it, 100% town. It's really just a gut feeling, but I think she is town.
Or was it Sophia? She's still 100% town though.
wat
If you dedicate your first two posts of the day to saying someone is 100% town... you might as well go all the way and claim cop. So why are you soft claiming cop on an apparent green check? Sophia isn't even under that much suspicion.
Moving on...
Killing off an inactive is exactly what we don't want to do right now. We have a lot more information today than we did yesterday; especially with how the votes went. Especially with how
your votes went. Why did you flip flop so much on who you were voting for? You were all over the place... voting for literally everyone before finally jumping on the Star bandwagon. Driving discussion as much as you have and, even after posting multiple reads on Gorlak (and others), you end up voting like this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199797514&postcount=444
comes off as very strange and very scummy.
Your random defense of lone_prodigy in this post:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199796034&postcount=416
is especially strange considering your voting history. A friendly scum perhaps?
Vote: *Splinter
As far as Gorlak goes I'm not sure what to think. Being a role blocker/doctor seems a bit too powerful for a single role and he did say he thinks we'll be fine without him. He also gave his opinion on who is scum right before the end (and right before the votes switched to Star). Makes me believe he is telling the truth... unless it was a smart scum hoping for the votes to switch in order to masquerade as a townie. I might be overthinking this. Either way we'll need to hear what he says about who he targeted.
I disagree (about inactives). While its true that we have more info today than yesterday, we'll also have even more info tomorrow, and the next day and so on. Inactives are always a pain to read because they provide so little material to consider. You might risk an uncertain lynch on them during the early game, but as things progress there is likely always going to be more something more pressing for us to vote on. Thats why this extra lynch at such an early stage is a perfect opportunity to take a look at the less active players. Otherwise we're almost relying on PRs to catch them.
As for my flip flopping: I couldn't decide what to do. Gorlak had seemed scummy but I already explained why I was hesitant to lynch him. I was also less certain on him than my posts probably suggested. The other option was StarSketch who I had no real reason to suspect (or to trust). I briefly considered trying to push another candidate but time was running out, in the end I decided to vote Sketch purely to bring the vote closer. I was still undecided at this point and wasn't set on my vote until Gorlak claimed shortly after.
Also you misinterpret my comment to Crimson. I had no intention of defending LP, I was questioning Crimon's faulty logic (anyone can be a PR so why was he suggesting that LP was different to whoever? If anything LP was simply less likely to be available to claim his PR).
Mobile won't let me properly post.
If your post starts with @ it won't work.
Just out of curiosity, but why do you have me as your top town? I did a quick look back on the previous pages, but I didn't really see an answer there...
Call it a gut read I guess, but there is enough overlap between your ideas and mine that I find it easy to believe we are both starting with the same set of information. Thats not to say I agree with everything you say, especially today a couple of things have been a little unclear.
For example:
I didn't really understand how this would help me catch Mafia at first, as the way it is worded implies that it would not stop another mafia player from submitting a command. But then Day 1 rolled around and the opening post mentioned the two Gods, so I figured that my power had something to do with killing or removing them. And now we have two edicts. As Splinter noted, one of them seems to be Komena and the other Peripseros. I suspect the edicts are handed down as commands during the night phase, because there were none on Day 1 and this game is a day start. I also suspect that the Gods may have other power roles as well, as they would need these to safe-claim if questioned.
u wot m8
(I don't understand what your power has to do with hunting gods, specifically. Can you explain this again or something? I also read
this post and I still don't get it)
Side note: Sophia and Zeke are both using the word "edicts". I know Retro started this, and its meaningless anyway unless one of them flips scum.
Having issues posting for some reason.
Splinter, your logic still rests on the assumption that pepsicola is part of the scum team. I think we all know the expression about assumptions (brother, mother, any other sucker). but I've already proved that my assumptions day 1 were based off of privileged pr information. Everything involved still follows. I'm not sure what is scummy about giving honest verifiable info. I don't know what scum rule you think i might have with the info I did.
I assume at least one other pr checked me last night just to see if they could since we had the ambiguous deicide command and it was clearly specified gods are immune to most night actions. No one should verify right now unless they want to say I'm lying imo. Also, me surviving was an easy assumption. Scum just couldn't afford to try and nk me as a suspected god when it is easy enough to verify otherwise without potentially wasting the nk. Also, the only time I've been nk'd in gafia I was alerted to the fact well before day start. I assume to prevent dead people from posting a pretyped message before realizing they've been removed.
Also, if you I could be a god, you're knowingly wasting a town lynch with no good explanation.
Fake edit: I just woke up and am not 100% sure what I was going on about before passing out but I'm going to go ahead a leave it there in case I had something. Doesn't seem offensive to me so eh.
My posting about splinters assumption was probably in reference to him verifying my info and taking it to mean I'm either a god or scum, meaning his assumption is that the scum team already knows what the gods can do. I've always and still lean(ed) against that. The way Star's role is worded, one god is as good as another. It doesn't explicitly draw lines, but it essentially a team dynamic, chosen vs. the gods. I still think both are neutral. Again, it is not in our win condition to kill any gods and town winning with a scum member still alive seems strange.
As for my messing up darryl's name, it was near last minute mobile posting. Honest mistake. The emphasis on "a" was of course purposeful and is why i was convinced by star at the last minute incorrectly. I really didn't want to full claim yesterday because of that. My role is "a" role. When Star posted with an emphasis on A, I thought maybe all the roles were A when I saw that. Gorlak caught my eye when he claimed "the" so I wanted more info. Before, I didn't know if they were all like that or if there were multiples of mine. Now that we've seen a flip and others have chimed in, I'm back to my original suspicion that there is at least one other person with my role. Being counterclaimed because there were multiples in the last hour was something there just wasn't time for me to deal with.
I am A Supplicant. If I can successfully pray to Komena during the night phase, I get something in the dictates. The power only works once but I can use it every night until it succeeds. There is no mention of pepsicola. If there are others with my role, I don't specifically know about them but I could see there being one for pepsicola or even competing for who can find komena first. Regardless, I believe it will be publicly clear if I succeed.
First of all, I don't assume that scum know about Peripseros (although my guess is that they do). If scum don't know about Peri, then I don't think you are scum - I think you are a god (which you have already claimed not to be, presumably in fear of a counter claim from Komena).
Zeke breaks it down more clearly, I guess, and I just find the town PR option less likely than the others.
Secondly, you now claim a town PR, but its still just as vague as yesterday. What does "I get something in the dictates" actually mean? Do you know what it is you get? Why do you "believe" it will be publicly clear? Why don't you know for sure?
Rereading the post and saw you did list your problem with me splinter.
I dont know, hard to judge. Compared to the Ace attorney game, there was no gambit so I didn't have to argue in circles to stop from being lynched. If I'm not mistaken a big chunk of that activity was me defending myself.
A fair explanation, and you can probably tell I'm not strongly scum reading you anyway. That was more of a prod than a carefully considered accusation, and I've liked your posts today more.
So nobody wants to look at the vote shenanigans yesterday? I hate the way this game is played. Everytime it's the same! Day1 will be so useful blablabla, but nobody ever analyses the mess.
Wah wah wah. Vote analysis is way more effective after we've seen your (or FEP's) flip.
Is that everything? I think thats everything.
Fuck you Pepsi
Fuck you Flush
In conclusion:
-Still don't trust FEP, another vague claim from him. Request more info.
-Don't understand Sophia's claim, or at least the conclusions she drew from it. Please elaborate.
-Other people soft claiming. Maybe you thought it was more subtle, maybe it wasn't even a claim. Be more careful please (unless you are scum, in which case please claim).
-Giant Panda has my attention. Also probably going to look at Crimson in more detail. Maybe. No promises.
My vote is still on FEP.
Late addition: "a" or "A", I don't care. "A" was presumably used for emphasis rather than a quote, but even so this is likely to be consistent between town and scum, so why are people trying to make it into something?
