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Gafia 2: The Bride of Gafia |Mafia OT| One Wedding, Many Funerals
- Thread starter RetroMG
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Hmm, most people don't know this so...
One of the takeaways I have is that scum never really speculated much about the map in the early game. Later in the game they tried to control discussion, but with a claim and not baseless speculation. When CzarTim claimed he also presented the ninja theory to hurt towns ability to use the map to their advantage. In the post game discussion CzarTim said he thought the map made the game almost unwinnable for scum as their only defense was a disguiser.
Lol, didn't know if that but it would have been awesome
Yeah, I should probably have made it more clear that scum really had to claim to survive. There was never really a map discussion on D2 because we could only vote two people, but several people were on CzarTim's tail by the end of D2.
Anyway, yes, Ty is right. My memory of DR was a bit fuzzy, what I remembered was desperately trying to sell a narrative, but as he mentioned, that came much later. Whether or not scum would mention the map mechanic here, I guess it just depends but I probably went down the wrong road there.
However we are getting towards the end of day one now and most of it had been caught up in the map and Launch's claim. We need to start throwing votes down on people even if you aren't positive, because of course you aren't, it's day one.
However we are getting towards the end of day one now and most of it had been caught up in the map and Launch's claim. We need to start throwing votes down on people even if you aren't positive, because of course you aren't, it's day one.
Xamtheking
Member
If the wedding was held at Subway, I'd love a No Lynch (have it your way) but even my naive mind knows that will never happen in any game ever.
I just now paid attention to the timer - didn't realize this would end around the time I'm getting to my customer site in the morning. I'll try to post something in the morning beforehand, but for now:
Vote: Terrabyte20xx
Scrolling back through the posts, this is literally all he has said since the game started:
He hasn't really brought anything to the discussion, not even bringing up anything regarding the Scrafty/gryvan talks, or even anything, really.
Vote: Terrabyte20xx
Scrolling back through the posts, this is literally all he has said since the game started:
He hasn't really brought anything to the discussion, not even bringing up anything regarding the Scrafty/gryvan talks, or even anything, really.
Yeah, I'd vote here too. Dude is coasting.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm seeing a whole lot of nothing in this day's discussion, but I guess that's to be expected.
Before day ends, I'd like everyone to post their top town and top scum from what's taken place so far.
Before day ends, I'd like everyone to post their top town and top scum from what's taken place so far.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Yep, I'm coasting.
No seriously, I really am. I'm paying attention but there really hasn't been too much that I personally want to talk about. No one is giving me super scum vibes, but the same is said with town. I'm taking a quiet observer position for day one so I can hopefully have a better, grounded day two.
Xamtheking
Member
Alright Mr. Bullock
Top Town:
Launchpad - I think you're telling the truth
Ouro/Burb - both have been pushing the conversations today and making very good insights
Top Scum:
CzarTim - Again, just a personal hunch, but this is a personal reads list after all
Gryvan - INFINITE MOUNTAINS SPAWNING FROM AN INFINITE NUMBER OF MOLEHILLS AT AN INCREASING RATE
People I have a weird read on:
Scrafty - Curse you and your feminine qiles, I can't read you for shit
Roytheone - Waters are murky, maybe tomorrow will bring more clarity
Gryvan sweating a lil bit in public. Newbie scum cracking under weak pressure? I'm not so sure, could easily just be regular townie sweating up the joint. Fireblend seems deadset on him. Tbh he kinda seems like a too obvious target, like Xam's first mafia game.
Absolutbro must be stuck on a train somewhere. His only real post is about the map, a kinda random theory about poisoners. However, at this point I feel fine keeping my vote on Scrafty.
Top town is myself, or maybe launchpad (as not scum aligned) if I can see some receipts tomorrow.
Absolutbro must be stuck on a train somewhere. His only real post is about the map, a kinda random theory about poisoners. However, at this point I feel fine keeping my vote on Scrafty.
Top town is myself, or maybe launchpad (as not scum aligned) if I can see some receipts tomorrow.
Xamtheking
Member
Alright so in response to that
1. Go stick a 10-foot long pole where the sun don't shine (love u fam)
2. Gryvan just gets really flustered over anything, if Batman is anything to go by, lol
Xamtheking
Member
I actually kept it in check
What I learned from batman is doubt anyone who is tunneling
Current vote count:
czartim (2)
xamtheking 374
launchpadmcq 388
xamtheking (1)
burbeting 377
scraftydevil (1)
kingkitty 387
fireblend (1)
gryvan 418
timeaisis (1)
czartim 451
terrabyte20xx (1)
ourobolus 457
nin1000 (1)
czartim 258 (359)
scraftydevil 404
absolutbro (1)
roytheone 312
ourobolus (1)
bananaspaceprincess 128 (363)
bronx-man 133
roytheone (1)
terrabyte20xx 131
gryvan 146 (259)
gryvan (1)
fireblend 132
ty4on (0)
launchpadmcq 147 (319)
bronx-man (0)
launchpadmcq 319 (388)
salvapot (0)
czartim 359 (451)
launchpadmcq (0)
robotninjahornets 115 (395)
czartim 209 (224)
salvapot 217 (360)
Reminder: The current vote count can always be found at the link in post #3. If you are not sure if the count is current, you can click the link to recount.
czartim (2)
xamtheking 374
launchpadmcq 388
xamtheking (1)
burbeting 377
scraftydevil (1)
kingkitty 387
fireblend (1)
gryvan 418
timeaisis (1)
czartim 451
terrabyte20xx (1)
ourobolus 457
nin1000 (1)
scraftydevil 404
absolutbro (1)
roytheone 312
ourobolus (1)
bronx-man 133
roytheone (1)
terrabyte20xx 131
gryvan (1)
fireblend 132
ty4on (0)
bronx-man (0)
salvapot (0)
launchpadmcq (0)
Reminder: The current vote count can always be found at the link in post #3. If you are not sure if the count is current, you can click the link to recount.
Xamtheking
Member
You also learned you had an extreme fear of saying the word "bellyrub"
Man its been a while since I have seen a Day 1 so divisive, usually by know we would have a bandwagon or too leading on votes.
I'll be honest, I don't know who to lynch right now and I am honestly having a hard time getting someone to point my finger at, no one has seem specially scummy to me. Czar is playing this cool aggressiveness as usual, launch is making his gambits, gryvan is jumpy but by batman that seems his usual moto, the usual suspects are lying low in the background, scrafty as usual saying she is available but its really not.
I don't know, everyone is playing too close to their chest so far.
Hmm, now that I think about it, I want to hear more from ouro. He is usually not this patient.
Vote: Ourobolus
In a day like this with not lot to go for, I wouldn't mind lynching a player completely blending to the crowd, and not saying much at all.
[highlighy]VOTE: AbsolutBro
I keep forgetting you are in the game even. Scum usually likes to watch from the sidelineshower as town fights by themselves.
[highlighy]VOTE: AbsolutBro
I keep forgetting you are in the game even. Scum usually likes to watch from the sidelineshower as town fights by themselves.
I might not be around at day end so I'll vote now so that I have something in place. I'm going to vote for Terra as his responses feel like they are middle of the road. Just trying not to say anything that will draw attention.
Vote: Terrabyte20xx
Town:
Launchpad - I'm willing to them the benefit of the doubt right now.
In between:
gryvan - His map speculation read like a town member genuinely trying to figure out the situation. I don't think he was trying to control map discussion or anything like that.
Vote: Terrabyte20xx
Town:
Launchpad - I'm willing to them the benefit of the doubt right now.
In between:
gryvan - His map speculation read like a town member genuinely trying to figure out the situation. I don't think he was trying to control map discussion or anything like that.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Will elaborate with quotes a bit later since I'm at work (lunch is in half an hour, so some point around then), but for now
VOTE: Fireblend
Mainly because gryvan is coming across to me as a frustrated townboy. Don't you think his partners would be telling him to tone it down a bit? Also
Oh no we totally fucking do. Srsly.
VOTE: Fireblend
Mainly because gryvan is coming across to me as a frustrated townboy. Don't you think his partners would be telling him to tone it down a bit? Also
Oh no we totally fucking do. Srsly.
AbsolutBro still hasn't said a single thing of value yet (unless you count that baseless role speculation post as something of value, which I don't). A thing I find interesting about this is that he doesn't really got called out on that a lot yet. Outside of my and Burb his vote on Absolut, he gets an occasional passing mention by Ourob, kitty and kalor, but that is kinda it. I would have expected scum to try and put some more suspicion on Absolut, it would be an easy way to appear active and prevent a scum lynch. It makes me think that AbsolutBro is actually an inactive scum, and that his scum partners don't want to push to much for him out of fear that that train would actually gain steam.
Slightly related to that, I have a bad feeling about Kalor. Looking at his posts, they are mostly speculation about the map/roles/launch his role, and very little actual scum hunting. He did made a post saying who he suspected (including Absolut), but immediately followed up with "but I don't think they are suitable lynch candidates". And now he votes Terra because he thinks Terra is coasting and he can''t be here during days end, even though he didn't vote for Absolut and RNH which he thought were coasting before. I could very easily see a train forming on Terra, so this could be a scum Kalor putting his vote on Terra to help that along and at least have his vote on a towny that has the potential to become a lynch candidate.
About my top town: I don't get scum vibes from Launch, Fire and Burb, but it is way to early to really call anyone my "top town" yet.
Slightly related to that, I have a bad feeling about Kalor. Looking at his posts, they are mostly speculation about the map/roles/launch his role, and very little actual scum hunting. He did made a post saying who he suspected (including Absolut), but immediately followed up with "but I don't think they are suitable lynch candidates". And now he votes Terra because he thinks Terra is coasting and he can''t be here during days end, even though he didn't vote for Absolut and RNH which he thought were coasting before. I could very easily see a train forming on Terra, so this could be a scum Kalor putting his vote on Terra to help that along and at least have his vote on a towny that has the potential to become a lynch candidate.
About my top town: I don't get scum vibes from Launch, Fire and Burb, but it is way to early to really call anyone my "top town" yet.
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
Hey, I have a busy day today. I hope I will be able to check in again but in case I can't I'm gonna place a vote now.
Vote: gryvan
I rolled the dice here between Salva, nin and gryvan. Yesterday my vote would have gone to Salva but I did understand his reasoning in his respond to when I called him out. Anyways, he's still not totally off my radar. My eyes are on you Salva!!
Nin would be my 2nd candidate after gryvan. He began with his map theory post. But that's actually not what's making him seem scummy. Since he made his map related post I don't think he did one more post that contributed anything to the main discussions or anything else at all. He actually only posted responses to when he was directly called out. It almost seems like he was caught blending in and now he is trying to make people think he's not even there in order to forget to vote for him. The only reason I am actually voting for gryvan right now and not for nin is because he seemed weirdly stressed out and testy in his last couple of posts. He is just under a little pressure which makes his "rage" even more out of place here. I hope my guts lead me in the right direction here.
Vote: gryvan
I rolled the dice here between Salva, nin and gryvan. Yesterday my vote would have gone to Salva but I did understand his reasoning in his respond to when I called him out. Anyways, he's still not totally off my radar. My eyes are on you Salva!!
Nin would be my 2nd candidate after gryvan. He began with his map theory post. But that's actually not what's making him seem scummy. Since he made his map related post I don't think he did one more post that contributed anything to the main discussions or anything else at all. He actually only posted responses to when he was directly called out. It almost seems like he was caught blending in and now he is trying to make people think he's not even there in order to forget to vote for him. The only reason I am actually voting for gryvan right now and not for nin is because he seemed weirdly stressed out and testy in his last couple of posts. He is just under a little pressure which makes his "rage" even more out of place here. I hope my guts lead me in the right direction here.
I am
Vote: Karu
Same reasoning as far as you go. Everyone else chimed in and said something but you mate did not say anything substantial in my eyes. Please speak up and I will lift my vote from you.
All right, to answer Launch's question:
Town
LaunchpadMcQ (contingent on D2)
Burbeting
Scum (my scum reads right now are mostly people that haven't contributed much)
Salva
Nin
Terra
Karu
Nobody's done anything blatantly scummy thus far, so these are still just gut feelings.
?
Town
LaunchpadMcQ (contingent on D2)
Burbeting
Scum (my scum reads right now are mostly people that haven't contributed much)
Salva
Nin
Terra
Karu
Nobody's done anything blatantly scummy thus far, so these are still just gut feelings.
?
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
SO QUOTES:
Launch soft-claims. Immediately, "WELL I TRUST LAUNCH OK", followed by
Doubling down on that trust. Like, there's no questioning of his role or anything, just straight up "Oh ok that's fine by me". Not only that, but that's then followed with:
I'm sorry but no. No thank you sir. We have 2 things to go on, Launch's claim and the table and you lambaste people for talking about one of them? Noope. Not only that, you seem to be voting for Gryvan partially for fluff (something something glass houses) and partially for questioning if he should believe Launch and posting table theories, again which are the only 2 things we have to talk about.
It's like you're not even thinking about Launch's role. What if his supposed action would be obscured by something else? Would you think he's lying? Would you keep trusting him?
Aaaand now for the Gryvan tunnel
Dood, it's day 1. Gatecrashers would not act this panicked. They have a backup team. They have people to tell them to stop panicking. Yes, he may be overreacting but to me that screams frustrated town way more than the opposite, it just brings unnecessary attention to himself.
Is Gryvan town? I don't know. But he feels more town to me right now. So yeah. That combined with your immediate Launch trust is...I don't like it.
Launch soft-claims. Immediately, "WELL I TRUST LAUNCH OK", followed by
Doubling down on that trust. Like, there's no questioning of his role or anything, just straight up "Oh ok that's fine by me". Not only that, but that's then followed with:
I'm sorry but no. No thank you sir. We have 2 things to go on, Launch's claim and the table and you lambaste people for talking about one of them? Noope. Not only that, you seem to be voting for Gryvan partially for fluff (something something glass houses) and partially for questioning if he should believe Launch and posting table theories, again which are the only 2 things we have to talk about.
It's like you're not even thinking about Launch's role. What if his supposed action would be obscured by something else? Would you think he's lying? Would you keep trusting him?
Haha well this ridiculous overreaction doesn't do anything to change my opinion of you. You seem to be flip-flopping here between whether there's stuff to discuss or not - you seem to acknowledge both Launch's claim and the map theories are worth discussing, after all.
About your over-the-top paranoia, you offered some theories on the map, which were responded to in what I thought was a reasonable way, and you think that meant other people were onto you? I didn't notice anything particularly hostile about the responses you got, if anything it seems like you've got a bit of a persecution complex
And my own post wasn't meant to be that hostile either, day 1 is just a whole lot of poking and that's what I did. I'd rather focus on someone I find odd for now and pursue that instead of poking lightly at multiple players who know the vote will probably not stick.
You also conveniently ignored my 2 questions, so yeah, not what I was expecting at all but I guess valuable for my own reads nonetheless.
Aaaand now for the Gryvan tunnel
Dood, it's day 1. Gatecrashers would not act this panicked. They have a backup team. They have people to tell them to stop panicking. Yes, he may be overreacting but to me that screams frustrated town way more than the opposite, it just brings unnecessary attention to himself.
Is Gryvan town? I don't know. But he feels more town to me right now. So yeah. That combined with your immediate Launch trust is...I don't like it.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I may not be around for day end. I'll post my picks for top town/scum.
Top Town
Ouro - I feel like there's something unspoken between us when we're both town. It's like a silent nod towards each other. I'm feeling that this game, but I don't have much factual to base it on.
Top Scum
Gryvan and Salva - these two just rub me the wrong way. Salva was a little too aggressive with his pressing on my role; Gryvan, I'm not even entirely sure, but he sticks out to me.
I'd like to look more into RNH next phase, in particular. I'm not really sure what to make of him. He'd be a good place to start next phase, but we'll see what happens.
Top Town
Ouro - I feel like there's something unspoken between us when we're both town. It's like a silent nod towards each other. I'm feeling that this game, but I don't have much factual to base it on.
Top Scum
Gryvan and Salva - these two just rub me the wrong way. Salva was a little too aggressive with his pressing on my role; Gryvan, I'm not even entirely sure, but he sticks out to me.
I'd like to look more into RNH next phase, in particular. I'm not really sure what to make of him. He'd be a good place to start next phase, but we'll see what happens.
AbsolutBro
Member
I'm really sorry folks. It was first planting weekend on the farm. I'm running into a meeting now but I will catch up and post before days end.
Xamtheking
Member
#farmhand
We've just over two hours left before the deadline and neither Bronx nor Karu have posted in a few RL days. I'm going to run on the assumption that they are inactive and potentially replaced by the next day. If they post before then, great, but I'm a little wary of voting out someone due to inactivity on D1 due to suddenly not having the time to play the game.
I have my vote on Terra now, and he even came out and agreed that he was coasting. ...great? In case I can't post before day end, that's where I'll stay.
I have my vote on Terra now, and he even came out and agreed that he was coasting. ...great? In case I can't post before day end, that's where I'll stay.
The only person that really sticks out to me right now would be Gryvan. The dude is on edge right now after getting some pretty tame accusations. Then again, he's a new player so it could be just a case of some nerves. Everyone else is either doing basic questioning or not posting at all.
Xamtheking
Member
Xamtheking
Member
I spent 2 minutes too long working on this
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I'm keeping my vote on nin for the day unless a very close race between two others forces me to change it.
nin, you've coasted by today doing relatively little and discussing even less. I trust you'll "step your game up" tomorrow.
nin, you've coasted by today doing relatively little and discussing even less. I trust you'll "step your game up" tomorrow.
AbsolutBro
Member
Okay, looks like my meeting was moved to 11 and no one bothered to tell me. That means unless it ends early, I will not be here at day's end.
My thoughts:
I do admit to reading Retro's post about the map's appearance changing incorrectly. I took it to mean "your seat positions will change", when it actually meant "I am hoping to get a prettier looking picture". Still, right now there's not much to be drawn from the map itself until stuff happens I guess. Still, I was not the only person to think this it seems.
Re: The Launch Gambit - While his set up immediately gave me flashbacks to Sorian in Batman ("It's cool guys, I have a set up action that just needs some time...") I am inclined to leave him alone for today. It seems like a very strange and super RNG power that I wonder why a game runner would bother to implement. I cant imagine we are going to have too many seat-based powers, if the only way we move seats is by a PR. Guess we will see. It does basicaly verify that some other powers are based on the seat, not the person. If every PR was based on the person, randomizing the seats would basically do nothing at all.
Or the whole power is a giant red herring type of deal, but I find the first option far more likely than this.
@DR map: Funny story time: I was a Role-Cop in that game, and N1 I investigated King Kitty. King Kitty died N1, and I bumped into CzarTim and Pau. So unless the killer was invisible/a ninja, I knew one of those people was the killer. I ended up fake claiming sleepwalker to stay alive, and when Czar claimed to have 1-shot alignment copped me I outted Pau (whom I knew Czar would have seen). I was wrong about everything, Czar was scum and I got the lovers killed but managed to clear 3 other townies when scum killed me. Moral of the story: even when we have more information from the map, it may not always mean what you initially think it does.
Vote: Fireblend
Day 1 votes are generally based on vague feelings, and this vote is no exception.
My thoughts:
I do admit to reading Retro's post about the map's appearance changing incorrectly. I took it to mean "your seat positions will change", when it actually meant "I am hoping to get a prettier looking picture". Still, right now there's not much to be drawn from the map itself until stuff happens I guess. Still, I was not the only person to think this it seems.
Re: The Launch Gambit - While his set up immediately gave me flashbacks to Sorian in Batman ("It's cool guys, I have a set up action that just needs some time...") I am inclined to leave him alone for today. It seems like a very strange and super RNG power that I wonder why a game runner would bother to implement. I cant imagine we are going to have too many seat-based powers, if the only way we move seats is by a PR. Guess we will see. It does basicaly verify that some other powers are based on the seat, not the person. If every PR was based on the person, randomizing the seats would basically do nothing at all.
Or the whole power is a giant red herring type of deal, but I find the first option far more likely than this.
@DR map: Funny story time: I was a Role-Cop in that game, and N1 I investigated King Kitty. King Kitty died N1, and I bumped into CzarTim and Pau. So unless the killer was invisible/a ninja, I knew one of those people was the killer. I ended up fake claiming sleepwalker to stay alive, and when Czar claimed to have 1-shot alignment copped me I outted Pau (whom I knew Czar would have seen). I was wrong about everything, Czar was scum and I got the lovers killed but managed to clear 3 other townies when scum killed me. Moral of the story: even when we have more information from the map, it may not always mean what you initially think it does.
Vote: Fireblend
Day 1 votes are generally based on vague feelings, and this vote is no exception.
I don't think I scum read Fire as much as RNH, but there is another thing I found curious with this post.
"PRs can verify". I had just pushed Launch on this (he stated PRs could confirm his switch if there were two switches) because I don't see how this would work out. Most PRs have no idea if their target were switched, all they know is if their target did or is something. I don't like this assumption that PRs should know who their hit.
"PRs can verify". I had just pushed Launch on this (he stated PRs could confirm his switch if there were two switches) because I don't see how this would work out. Most PRs have no idea if their target were switched, all they know is if their target did or is something. I don't like this assumption that PRs should know who their hit.