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James Scott
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(04-25-2016, 07:42 PM)
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From ZhugeEX

Remember this article a couple of years back where Nintendo had to pay royalties over 3DS patent infringement-
Nikkei seems to be reporting that the decision has been overturned and Nintendo actually won the case.

Based on this case from 2014 where they had to pay royalties for every 3DS sold for seemingly infringing on some patents
Report confirmed by Chris Reeds:

Nikkei seems to be reporting that the decision has been overturned and Nintendo actually won the case

yep, that’s correct. something like ‘the (American) court ruled that it did not infringe on the patent’

https://twitter.com/ccharlesreed/sta...67534956318721

Nintendo's statment:

Nintendo’s comment to Nikkei: ’this ruling affirms our original assertion, and is an appropriate decision’

https://twitter.com/ccharlesreed/sta...71612671258624
Last edited by James Scott; 04-25-2016 at 07:58 PM.
L Thammy
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(04-25-2016, 07:44 PM)
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Huh, wasn't expecting that. That doesn't affect royalties already paid, right?
Mihael Mello Keehl
(04-25-2016, 07:46 PM)
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What other new NEWS do you have today and tomorrow NIKKEI?
Hero of Legend
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(04-25-2016, 07:47 PM)
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Here's his tweets:

Remember this article a couple of years back where Nintendo had to pay royalties over 3DS patent infringement-

Nikkei seems to be reporting that the decision has been overturned and Nintendo actually won the case.

And Chris Reed confirmed it:

Nikkei seems to be reporting that the decision has been overturned and Nintendo actually won the case.

https://twitter.com/ccharlesreed/sta...67534956318721
Frodo
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(04-25-2016, 07:49 PM)
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Nintendo is doome-- oh wait...!
James Scott
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(04-25-2016, 07:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by L Thammy

Huh, wasn't expecting that. That doesn't affect royalties already paid, right?

Not sure, I'd hope they get what they paid back.

Originally Posted by Hero of Legend

Here's his tweets:



And Chris Reed confirmed it:



https://twitter.com/ccharlesreed/sta...67534956318721

added to the OP
Nostremitus
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(04-25-2016, 08:51 PM)
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Yeah, curious if they are owed back what they paid out.
KojiKnight
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(04-25-2016, 08:54 PM)
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So.... does Nintendo get that money back now? How does that work? I imagine it had to have been a pretty penny with dozens of millions of 3DS sold.
Cert.in.Death
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(04-25-2016, 08:54 PM)
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I dunno if it's selective news articles, but Nintendo appears to have some damn good patent attorneys on staff and under retainer because they rarely lose these cases. Maybe they don't lose in court, anyway, but those guys/gals obviously ain't working for free.
Cosmo Clock 21
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(04-25-2016, 08:54 PM)
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This is the the guy who alleged that Nintendo stole his glasses-free 3D idea after he pitched it to him, right?
GoldenEye 007
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(04-25-2016, 08:55 PM)
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If this case was in an active appeal the whole time, I doubt Nintendo paid anything out to the other party. At most, there probably would have been a court appointed Trust where payments were made or a certain lump sum deposit made pending the final outcome.
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(04-25-2016, 08:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cosmo Clock 21

This is the the guy who alleged that Nintendo stole his glasses-free 3D idea after he pitched it to him, right?

ayup
James Scott
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(04-25-2016, 08:59 PM)
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The court document of the case should be available tomorrow so we can maybe get details by then https://twitter.com/ccharlesreed/sta...72742147018752
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(04-25-2016, 08:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cosmo Clock 21

This is the the guy who alleged that Nintendo stole his glasses-free 3D idea after he pitched it to him, right?

"I could have been a millionaire! I could have been a fragrance millionaire!"
Oersted
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(04-25-2016, 09:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by James Scott

The court document of the case should be available tomorrow so we can maybe get details by then https://twitter.com/ccharlesreed/sta...72742147018752

Thanks. Hopefully some good reasoning
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(04-25-2016, 09:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by James Scott

The court document of the case should be available tomorrow so we can maybe get details by then https://twitter.com/ccharlesreed/sta...72742147018752

Something like the NX handheld or "future devices" using the same technology or wouldn't come up, would it? That would make it more important to have this case resolved... but I figure they could just be vague about it.
Neoxon
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(04-25-2016, 09:04 PM)
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That's good to hear. Nintendo must have some solid-ass lawyers under their employ.
SenorArdilla
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(04-25-2016, 09:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cosmo Clock 21

This is the the guy who alleged that Nintendo stole his glasses-free 3D idea after he pitched it to him, right?

Does he have to pay Nintendo back then?
madstarr12
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(04-25-2016, 09:07 PM)
Well that was interesting

still doomed. ;)
Occam
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(04-25-2016, 09:08 PM)
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There were lots of glasses-free 3D displays long before 3DS, for instance Fraunhofer Institute demonstrated their free2c 3D displays as early as 2004.
Fuji Finepix 3D W1 (3D camera) had an auto-stereoscopic display in 2009, as did JVC's GS-TD1 3D camcorder from early 2011.

The idea of using a parallax barrier to display 3D is over 100 years old.

This patent trolling nonsense needs to stop.
Last edited by Occam; 04-25-2016 at 09:17 PM.
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(04-25-2016, 09:09 PM)
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From what I remember reading this case, the patent in question and how the 3DS actually did 3D had damn near no relation to each other. Seemed like the suer got lucky with a judge the first time around.
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(04-25-2016, 09:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plinko

"I could have been a millionaire! I could have been a fragrance millionaire!"

I love this post so much.

Originally Posted by Neoxon

That's good to hear. Nintendo must have some solid-ass lawyers under their employ.

Last edited by Menitta; 04-25-2016 at 09:13 PM.
Nightbird
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(04-25-2016, 09:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

That's good to hear. Nintendo must have some solid-ass lawyers under their employ.

You call them lawyers, we call them ninjas.
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(04-25-2016, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by SenorArdilla

Does he have to pay Nintendo back then?

No, money was never exchanged. Nintendo appealed the case; however, money was set aside in case the appeal was not successful.

Edit: I believe the amount was $30M.
Last edited by vinnygambini; 04-25-2016 at 09:18 PM.
Neoxon
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(04-25-2016, 09:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShadyPenguin

You call them lawyers, we call them ninjas.

Shhhhh, we don't speak of their night job.
Pancakes R Us
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(04-25-2016, 09:18 PM)
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Nintendo's response:

Please understand and give us our monies back.

Nightbird
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(04-25-2016, 09:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

Shhhhh, we don't speak of their night job.

Oh shit, you are ri-
Reversed
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(04-25-2016, 09:22 PM)

Originally Posted by ShadyPenguin

You call them lawyers, we call them ninjas.

Kimishima's Nintendo bringing back its ruthless roots.
Eclectic Jabber Monkey
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(04-25-2016, 09:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

That's good to hear. Nintendo must have some solid-ass lawyers under their employ.

They probably do have very good lawyers, but they must also do a ton of patent research to ensure they either don't infringe on existing patents or pay the patent holders they know they would be infringing on.

Nintendo's hardware team is the the best in the video game industry in my opinion. Although I don't agree with all of the hardware decisions they have made their gear always seems to work well as designed. Other than my NES having the common cartridges not making correct contact issue, I haven't had an Nintendo system or console fail on me, most of which I've bought when they have launched.
James Scott
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(04-26-2016, 04:49 PM)
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Looked at the details of the case. It's 1.82% of the wholesale of all 3DS units sold.
On average each is sold at $200 so let's say $3.64.
Let's also say that by the end of the 3DS life cycle it will amount to around 60 million or at least 60 million worth of $200 3DSs.
This would amount to a whopping $218,400,000.
And the judge had also issued an additional $15.1M in damages so $233,500,000.
Admittedly in the high end of the estimates, but still pretty substantial.
If you average out the numbers to the lower end of 3DS prices, $175, it should still total at over 200 Million dollars
Last edited by James Scott; 04-26-2016 at 05:10 PM.
Neo Dark
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(04-26-2016, 05:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

That's good to hear. Nintendo must have some solid-ass lawyers under their employ.

Nintendo's had good lawyers since the beginning. Should look into their history especially the Universal vs Nintendo case. At the time, the American branch was rather new and Universal was so confident they were going to get their way that they went ahead and acted like they already won. You know, now that I think about it, it's kind of ironic seeing Nintendo licensing their properties to be used for a theme park after all this.

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