If they want to curate newer indie games, thats fair. Blocking obscure older titles because "nobody would want that" now that is bullshit. They of all people should know better.
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Kotaku: 98% of PC Copies of Rise of the Tomb Raider Were Bought on Steam
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That's not going to happen. Microsoft is never going to put out one of their high-profile games on a platform they don't have control over.
Cold Lager
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Woo-Fu
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You act like people are being unfairly negative. You act like there isn't a history here.
The other problem with your stance is that you seem to think that the main problems with the store in particular and Microsoft's support of gaming on PC are merely technical.
They're not. The technical problems stem directly from Microsoft's approach, their decisions, how they feel the microsoft vs. customer scales should invariably be balanced in Microsoft's favor. They're trying to raise the walls of the garden higher all the time. Don't expect anybody paying attention to be happy with that.
The only people who like the taste of that kool-aid are those who haven't been forced to drink it for the past 20+ years.
Lil'DigiOp
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Its because PC is a more permanent hardware.
We're still too early to see the remains of the PS3 & PS4 network infastructure.
One day , they will cut the network and the PS3 will be a brick, unless you already downloaded all your games or you went physical.
Going physical on consoles is better for preservation.
Sorry, my post was cut by my phone. I am talking about the gog downloader where updates are hard to track and has to be checked manually. You never know if you have the last executable on your HDD.
A full update mod would be a nice tool.
I own more than 500 games on GOG, mainly old games, where updates are quite rare. For new games, I would go with Steam preferably.
Not really. Origin refunds are only for EA games, it's decent but obviously doesn't compare to what Steam offers now.
And the main reason why steam does this now is because origin pioneered the refunds of digital purchases. So in essence, competition exists and we don't necessarily need a walled garden approach.
It's just Microsoft has a years long convergence plan to combine their devices. If UWP was the only method of apps on Windows 10, people would riot. They are trying to ease you into UWP apps before depreciating win32, and you can call it like it is right now; a way for Microsoft to wall off the open PC win32 standard into a curated UWP platform. Windows 8 was the skeleton, Windows 10 likely was supposed to be the depreciation stage, but windows 8 adoption fell through the roof and MS scrambled to make changes.
I am glad consumers are rightfully opting out of a future strategy where instead of openly modifying your system, you have to jailbreak it, possibly illegally, for it to function.
The various lawsuits from various countries probably were more of an impetus for Steam Refunds then Origin.
The best part of GoG is their effort of preservation of old games. The fact that they do all the work for you to just play an old game is just awesome, in my opinion. And of course drm free games.
PC also downloads games WAY faster than the PS network at least, and usually doesn't come with a 500GB HDD these days. Plus PC games are still generally smaller in size. And PC digital games are always cheaper.
And yeah, Infinite backward compatibility on PC can't be touched on console.
stan423321
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how do I buy from torrents
There is no reason for PC games to be smaller.
Torrent the steam client.
MulderYuffie
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not surprised in the slightest.
CrispyBoar
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If anything, they'll most likely be split between PS4 & PC because of larger userbases alone.
Heck, The Witcher III sold more on PS4 than on Xbox One, despite the Xbox 360 having the Witcher II while PS3 hasn't.
I disagree, I don't think Origin was a factor, I think it was a way for Valve to tackle their increasing customer service burden without spending money on hiring staff to handle curation or customer service.
That said I agree that competition across the platform is vital to it's health, I just think crediting EA with having invented the concept of refunds is madness.
I didn't act like they there's no history, literally called them "blunders".
MS is a company that is very large it is obvious that a software change would require requirement changes as they work on a scale much larger than a startup. They're not always raising the walls is the part I look at for being positive (please note this is them outside of gaming I'm speaking of).
And new people can change things. Prime MS example look at how much of the console gaming side lays into one guy, Don Mattrick, for setting up the Xbox One for failure.
I should also note I haven't purchased anything from the Windows store and my game collection all resides on Steam and a bit from GOG.
michaelius
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Price ?
Some people value having as many things as possible in same client. Others will go where it's cheapest.
Personally I only want to have steam, gog and battlenet installed.
I wasn't completely sure but did suspect they misunderstood open platforms and DRM free games, Steam also doesn't require DRM of any kind (Though many games choose to use it) and I think most games that are or on both Steam and GOG probably don't have DRM on Steam.
I think you're talking about DRM and not the platform itself being open, GOG is still entirely closed off and requires concept approvals etc.
KingGreasy
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GOG has something similar to Steam now with GOG Galaxy
Not really, Galaxy doesn't restrict you launching game only from it's client. You can install game from client and after that never even open it to play game.
There was also pressure from various countries, especially in the EU, to implement a refund policy.
Yeah I imagine this is probably the biggest reason that Valve implemented refunds.
I think he means that Galaxy function like an administrative tool for patches and extra content in the same sense that Steam dose
Since GOG don't have DRM
8-Bit Sunset
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They really can't.
I don't believe it's so much of an uphill struggle but rather a losing battle, and I wish they acknowledge this already.
Can you imagine the spike in sales for Gears Of War and Quantum break if they were sold on Steam!
They really should just put the Windows 10 store out of it's misery already!
roadrunn3r
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Sorry but this is a bunch of BS. There is no echo chamber with PC gamers, UWP is probably one of the very rare things where most of us agree and for good reason. If you want to check other arguments, check the hardware threads and you will see what negativity really is.
The store and the software are hardly the problem here, the concept of UWP is and that can't change/improve unless they do a full 180. You should get informed better on the matter before you form an opinion on something and I thought that was valid even outside of forum discussions.
Money in the form of throwing significant weight behind the marketing for the Xbox One versions of games.
Those marketing partnerships they have for a variety of games on Xbox One? In the future those agreements will likely involve doing a Windows App Store version too, although probably not require devs to abandon steam.
Even if the UWP version makes such little revenue that it's a rounding error on the total, a publisher will net profit if doing this version results in a large increase in sales of all other versions.
This is one of the reasons many publishers used GFWL.
wapplew
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Lower the royalties, bigger exposure, cross play/buy, Xbox live integration, publish once reach multiple devices, best MAU and global engagement.
Do you have a link to the last part about Cave shmups being rejected? I'd like to know more.
GhostTrick
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http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1143185#p1143185
I kinda find that attitude baffling to be honest. Accepting a game only if it did well elsewhere despite being a known name, even by a niche.
To add to the list I also submitted my game Assault Android Cactus a few years back (using their old system) and was never even responded to, they are seemingly a lot more closed than new-Steam (Via how easy Greenlight has become) when it comes to what games they choose to carry.
Truly. I don't get how they can turn away Cave games. It makes no sense in their position.
GhostTrick
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I find that outrageous tbh. A lot of indie success relies on word of mouth and if major platforms adopt this mindset, a lot wouldn't exist.
This is even more baffling that Assault Android Cactus doesn't even look like shovelware and has some nice production values. It is beyond my understanding about how GoG can afford to refuse such games.
This is why I vastly prefer Humble Store. Giving both DRM Free and Steam key options. The best thing would be if more publishers and indies make their Steam game DRM Free, which is possible IIRC.
Yah our Steam version is DRM free, though we also sell on Humble with a steam key included.
Technically our Steam version checks to see if Steam is running when you launch it, but if it doesn't find Steam then it just soft fails all online content that requires an account (leaderboards etc) and behaves like the Humble version. I also hope more developers in general abandon DRM, especially indies.
Edit - It might be nice if you could plaster DRM FREE as a feature too right along stuff like the Steam Leaderboard support and Controller support etc.
WaterAstro
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Windows Store/Windows 10 exclusive for everything now.
Microsoft will FORCE US!
Microsoft will FORCE US!
wapplew
Member
Yea, not that crazy about MS first party titles, maybe Scalebound, AOE & Sea of thieves.
GhostTrick
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Would be great indeed because as opposed to the popular belief, Steam and DRM Free aren't incompatible. And it's kinda weird to see some indies offering DRM Free versions and have their Steam version with DRM.
In any case, back on topic, I can see why some people aren't too hot with gog and I share this sentiment. As for Windows 10 Store, Microsoft is basically fighting wind mills and will fail.
KonradLaw
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One has to wonder just how terrible Quantum Break sales are and poor Remedy has no Steam escape option like SquareEnix had.
Well..I prefer GOG as there's more of an ownership there for game I bought. But honestly, I just buy wherever is cheapest and I don't mind using multiple stores, like Origin or uPlay. Especially since Steam prices are insanely high, so I mostly buy retail for non-indie games and just get key for the service the publisher provided, so for Ubi it's uPlay for example.
Whenever possible I also try to buy directly from developers. If they provide it DRM free instead of key for Steam I'm forced to backup it on HD, but that' a good precaution to have.
Honestly, the only digital platform I avoid is Windows Store. Shame I can't get Quantum Break any other way.
Well..I prefer GOG as there's more of an ownership there for game I bought. But honestly, I just buy wherever is cheapest and I don't mind using multiple stores, like Origin or uPlay. Especially since Steam prices are insanely high, so I mostly buy retail for non-indie games and just get key for the service the publisher provided, so for Ubi it's uPlay for example.
Whenever possible I also try to buy directly from developers. If they provide it DRM free instead of key for Steam I'm forced to backup it on HD, but that' a good precaution to have.
Honestly, the only digital platform I avoid is Windows Store. Shame I can't get Quantum Break any other way.
InquisitorAles
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I understood that reference.
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