Hyperactivity
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Bar MAFIA |OT| There's Gonna Be Shots
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Hyperactivity
Banned
Quick thing I'm noticing.
You mention that you're a fan or not a fan of certain posts, but how does this relate to your scum-reads on these people.
Are you basically taking a stance of not really going after contributing players day 1, at least when it comes to lynching them? From what I can tell, you only have say 2 reads up to this point, although up till page 14 does give you a good excuse
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt so long as this is still a WIP, but this comes off as fairly "safe".
Hyperactivity
Banned
Was nice and easy to go through MattyG's posts, YAY!
Only 3 things here:
1) In favor of a day 1 lynch
2) Defends "as bad as it sounds" statement from 1st post
2) OMGUS of Ourobolus
1st 2 posts sorta seem to remind me that he's one of the OG players, I'm not sure what his most recent games.
Next to nothing here, so I'm not sure where his vote both picked up momentum and why it didn't for the others
Null read for now, but in an effort to get him in here
MattyG, what's your opinion on the no lynch crowd?
Only 3 things here:
1) In favor of a day 1 lynch
2) Defends "as bad as it sounds" statement from 1st post
2) OMGUS of Ourobolus
1st 2 posts sorta seem to remind me that he's one of the OG players, I'm not sure what his most recent games.
Next to nothing here, so I'm not sure where his vote both picked up momentum and why it didn't for the others
Null read for now, but in an effort to get him in here
MattyG, what's your opinion on the no lynch crowd?
Hyperactivity
Banned
PSA: This has to do with something I'm seeing. Low activity and drops in activity
The argument for these being scum indicative is typically relating to either
A. Blending in
B. Scared of making posts as scum
C. Letting town do the work, wants conversation to stagnate, scum like things how it is
The arguments against this being scum indicative:
A. Why would scum members do this? Only draws attention to scum.
The argument against it only really works for arguments that the person is doing a controlled absence (which I've seen scum do, sometimes you need to know when to sit back and let things proceed on their own. But this typically happens when the rest of the conversation has hit a lull)
Both basically fail to consider that people will just drop in activity sometimes. A scum member(s) dropping in activity may not be ideal for scum, but scum aren't some god force that precisely knows when to post and when not too, and low and high activity scum posters are oftentimes just examples of the poster in particular and how he plays normally.
So yeah, it's not really scum or town indicative imo
The argument for these being scum indicative is typically relating to either
A. Blending in
B. Scared of making posts as scum
C. Letting town do the work, wants conversation to stagnate, scum like things how it is
The arguments against this being scum indicative:
A. Why would scum members do this? Only draws attention to scum.
The argument against it only really works for arguments that the person is doing a controlled absence (which I've seen scum do, sometimes you need to know when to sit back and let things proceed on their own. But this typically happens when the rest of the conversation has hit a lull)
Both basically fail to consider that people will just drop in activity sometimes. A scum member(s) dropping in activity may not be ideal for scum, but scum aren't some god force that precisely knows when to post and when not too, and low and high activity scum posters are oftentimes just examples of the poster in particular and how he plays normally.
So yeah, it's not really scum or town indicative imo
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Day 1 Ends in:
@Crab, re #240
My complaint is that he did nothing else. Scum wants to contribute enough to avoid criticism (achieved in the short term by answering the questions), town *should* want to contribute enough to further a conversation or start a new one.
It's hard to create something out of nothing in the first hours of the game. Some people try, Barry didn't.
@Barry: You asked me why I scumread you, and I guess this was the start of it. You've been blendy as hell all day which gives me no reason to change my mind on you. I think I said when I first scumread you that it was mostly gut with nothing specific I can point to, just blendy blendering.
My complaint isn't that his answers to the questions lacked effort, since the questions themselves are merely a starting point.
My complaint is that he did nothing else. Scum wants to contribute enough to avoid criticism (achieved in the short term by answering the questions), town *should* want to contribute enough to further a conversation or start a new one.
It's hard to create something out of nothing in the first hours of the game. Some people try, Barry didn't.
@Barry: You asked me why I scumread you, and I guess this was the start of it. You've been blendy as hell all day which gives me no reason to change my mind on you. I think I said when I first scumread you that it was mostly gut with nothing specific I can point to, just blendy blendering.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Also bats, thanks for telling me about that script. Dont no why, even though it is functionally similar to "Who posted", it's been much more efficient
before the end of the day, I'm planning to go through the post of:
kyanrute, batsnacks, Timeaisis, Catvoca, *Splinter if I'm ready to read through a bunch of posts
those are probably who I'll focus on, afterwards I'm thinking
Barrylocke, toma, Dusk Soldier, stackpole
others I either have it pre written on my computer, or have sorta decided on.
2nd list might also just be in between, when first list exhausts me
Will be fully unavailable in about 20 minutes until 5 hours from now, just warning you guys now
before the end of the day, I'm planning to go through the post of:
kyanrute, batsnacks, Timeaisis, Catvoca, *Splinter if I'm ready to read through a bunch of posts
those are probably who I'll focus on, afterwards I'm thinking
Barrylocke, toma, Dusk Soldier, stackpole
others I either have it pre written on my computer, or have sorta decided on.
2nd list might also just be in between, when first list exhausts me
Will be fully unavailable in about 20 minutes until 5 hours from now, just warning you guys now
Hyperactivity
Banned
Will clarify, I'm hoping to vote for a candidate I legitimately suspect of being scum, and am against voting non contributing members just for that aspect alone
Hyperactivity
Banned
Idk, although I want votes when it comes to who people think is scum midst, last hour shifts are inevitable due to last hour claims, and people being practical in protecting people who they think is town/voting for the scum more of two options
plus, it's typically bad for scum, makes them have to act more on prompt than planned. I argued against them in final fantasy, but I was scum then and had just had 2 games being lynched on the last minute as scum
the people that don't vote practically in the last hour are probably more suspect; at least given a case of people voting for people there is next to no chance for the vote to swing towards
Yeah I'm not trying to stop the last hour madness, I even prefer it to happen because of the info we get. The idea was that if we get everyone put their votes down before it, the changes are harder to make without good reasoning behind them. This would limit the maneuvering room for scum I feel or make them stand out more.
On the note of last hour madness, Cabot is I believe indisposed for the remainder of the day (something about watching American Football or something?) and I'm about to be busy until riiiight up to the end of the day go out in the world and doing good.
So there should be a day end post when the day is over. The flip and flavor and what not might lag behind by a bit.
Sorry, we are important men.
For vote count, in case it gets hectic I don't want people saying they didn't know the current count so here is the link for this game's vote tool.
Vote Count
Have fun kiddos.
So there should be a day end post when the day is over. The flip and flavor and what not might lag behind by a bit.
Sorry, we are important men.
For vote count, in case it gets hectic I don't want people saying they didn't know the current count so here is the link for this game's vote tool.
Vote Count
Have fun kiddos.
or i realized my tunneling doesn't get me anywhere (except for Scrafty in GAFia 1, sorry babe)
trying this whole logic thing on for size
wamd, meet salva
salva, meet wamd
burble burble fart
wifom
I realized I haven't got a vote down so I'm going to throw one on AbsolutBro. I posted last page about how under the radar he's been and how little his posts have mattered, and I've made it clear I'm interested in looking at these less active posters. This is more a pressure vote than anything else, to see if he's around and willing to share any off his thoughts.
Vote: AbsolutBro
Vote: AbsolutBro
this convo from last page is interesting
my gut says if there's on the same scum side, this seems kinda odd and pointless, especially to end it so anticlimactically. of course, maybe that's what they want me to think. but my gut reaction is if they're scumbros, why not at least end this conversation properly? dragonz basically left salvapot hanging (even though we the audience already know the answer to salva's question, or do we)
i have some other thoughts i'll write up soon
my gut says if there's on the same scum side, this seems kinda odd and pointless, especially to end it so anticlimactically. of course, maybe that's what they want me to think. but my gut reaction is if they're scumbros, why not at least end this conversation properly? dragonz basically left salvapot hanging (even though we the audience already know the answer to salva's question, or do we)
i have some other thoughts i'll write up soon
i like that kind of thinking
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Not a fan = leaning towards scum. Put it this way: at the moment, town all has the same information, excepting PRs and even then it's not likely they have relevant information to today's posting. So, we all have the same information, and what we post is the result of how our mindset reacts to that information. If someone has the same intuitions as me, they therefore either have the same mindset, which I know to be town, or they are very, very good at faking a town mindset.
As for who I'm going after, I'm unsure as of yet. I'm tempted to clear out some of the quieter players; if there's scum among them they're not leaving a record which I worry about more than busy posters who could be scum. There's obviously a degree of hypocrisy there given I've only just become involved, but now I am there should be rather regular posting, as per my norm.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Everything in mafia is WIFOM. You think mafia will do X, mafia knows you think they will do X so they will do Y, you know mafia knows you think they will do X so they do Y, etc. The trick is finding how many levels of WIFOM there are. In Retroid's case, I think that answer is 0. I mean, not strongly or anything, this is D1, but certainly enough to be focusing on other things.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I fell asleep soon after that exchange, I was planning on following it up momentarily lmao
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
The one where you say it's straight up not true in regards to your PR claim? I asked you some questions about it and you responded with "It's not true". So I'm just really confused? This play you're getting at doesn't make sense. Its just a really bad play with no apparent victories for town.
The main reason why I did not vote for timetokill was because I wanted to see his response, which I did not feel satisfied with in the least. It is a flimsy response and it doesn't really strike me as town at all. Kill is in my top three scum atm, but I wanted to watch and wait before switching my vote. Which I have done, but I haven't seen anything from him that will change my suspicions. So if nothing changes I will probably switch my vote over. It still doesn't absolve you of being scummy, but if a more concrete scum tell comes along, then I'll change.
Why didn't I do it sooner? I wanted to see how other players would react. I figured he would come back with a defense, but I wanted to know what others would do, like I said in my opening questions. I hoped someone would defend him, so that I could look into them more closely, but no one did that I remember. Unfortunately my gut feeling in regards to results isn't very strong so I'm going to have to go back and reread before the deadline.
toma and dragonz was a topic of discussion so i'll give my thoughts on those two
toma-
Most of his posts didn't catch my eye except for an interesting theory about dragonz. That somehow hyper voted on scumdragonz by chance, and at least one of her scumbros started to answer the same questions thrown by hyper in order to "dillute the attention". Thing is, I don't think scum would feel any threat to quickly come to scumdragonz help. They weren't damning questions like "why are you so scum as fuck?"
Now as toma mentioned in his theory, there's still a chance there could be scum in the various people who did answer. I think even if dragonz wasn't scum, there could be one or two real scum who might want to "fit in" and go along with what other people are doing by answering hyper's questions.
It could be totally wrong, like climate change and the existence of dinosaurs. But I don't think it's a horrible thought process by toma.
At this point i'm going to burble fart and give him lean-ok person who doesn't offend me on day 1, otherwise known as null. If toma does turn out to be scum, it's worth considering he might be giving scumbroHyper some help. Since his theory is based around the idea that Hyper is a townie.
dragonz -
In her first Q&A with Hyper, there was a bit where she said in that in her first game as scum, she stayed under the radar. If she's scum, it could be a subtle wink to the audience that there's no way she could be scum again, since she's not playing under the radar. Although she later reasoned that it was due to being new to the game, and real life stuff, that made her play under the radar. Perhaps from now on, scum or townie, dragonz intends to be more proactive.
In terms of posts, there's a good chunk (not a majority, I think) from her that I consider fluff, which can be useful to create the illusion of activity. The meatier posts, I think she makes an attempt to interact with others instead of posting very little or posting endless shenanipoops.
Whether intentional or not, she gives off a slight bandwagon vibe, especially after the "post 3 townies" situation.
I'll give her a lean-minor-suspicious
If she turns out to be scum, I might look at catcovccva with suspicious eyes, simply because he chose to vote for her, and then backed away from that. Was scumCat simply trying to do a minor jab at his scumbro dragonz in public? I also think it would be weird if catocova, dragonz, AND timetokill were all on the same scum squad. One scum voting for dragonz, OK sure. Two scum in a row voting for dragonz, when there's no reason to bus. My gut says no, pal.
toma-
Most of his posts didn't catch my eye except for an interesting theory about dragonz. That somehow hyper voted on scumdragonz by chance, and at least one of her scumbros started to answer the same questions thrown by hyper in order to "dillute the attention". Thing is, I don't think scum would feel any threat to quickly come to scumdragonz help. They weren't damning questions like "why are you so scum as fuck?"
Now as toma mentioned in his theory, there's still a chance there could be scum in the various people who did answer. I think even if dragonz wasn't scum, there could be one or two real scum who might want to "fit in" and go along with what other people are doing by answering hyper's questions.
It could be totally wrong, like climate change and the existence of dinosaurs. But I don't think it's a horrible thought process by toma.
At this point i'm going to burble fart and give him lean-ok person who doesn't offend me on day 1, otherwise known as null. If toma does turn out to be scum, it's worth considering he might be giving scumbroHyper some help. Since his theory is based around the idea that Hyper is a townie.
dragonz -
In her first Q&A with Hyper, there was a bit where she said in that in her first game as scum, she stayed under the radar. If she's scum, it could be a subtle wink to the audience that there's no way she could be scum again, since she's not playing under the radar. Although she later reasoned that it was due to being new to the game, and real life stuff, that made her play under the radar. Perhaps from now on, scum or townie, dragonz intends to be more proactive.
In terms of posts, there's a good chunk (not a majority, I think) from her that I consider fluff, which can be useful to create the illusion of activity. The meatier posts, I think she makes an attempt to interact with others instead of posting very little or posting endless shenanipoops.
Whether intentional or not, she gives off a slight bandwagon vibe, especially after the "post 3 townies" situation.
I'll give her a lean-minor-suspicious
If she turns out to be scum, I might look at catcovccva with suspicious eyes, simply because he chose to vote for her, and then backed away from that. Was scumCat simply trying to do a minor jab at his scumbro dragonz in public? I also think it would be weird if catocova, dragonz, AND timetokill were all on the same scum squad. One scum voting for dragonz, OK sure. Two scum in a row voting for dragonz, when there's no reason to bus. My gut says no, pal.
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tomakasatnav 913
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ourobolus 245 (300)
ourobolus 624 (714)
hyperactivity (2)
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timeaisis 869
timeaisis (1)
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theexodu5 (1)
batsnacks 626 (682)
timeaisis 692 (869)
barrylocke 813 (815)
barrylocke 815
salvapot (1)
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nin1000 653
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euphemism (0)
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a human becoming 264
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crab (0)
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kyanrute (1)
nin1000 653
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euphemism (0)
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timetokill (0)
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tomakasatnav (1)
*splinter 835
retroid (2)
ourobolus 864
kyanrute 877
absolutbro (1)
catvoca 1018
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
You're the only one with a vote on him atm
I think Hyper is a good lynch, but I don't think it's going to happen today. So for me it's between timetokill (seems very scummy, as mentioned above) and toma (also very scummy). Problem is, I don't know which one. I would be comfortable with voting for either one of them today, or even a Dusk lynch because he still doesn't sit right with me, so I may consider that too. If this seems bandwagonny I apologize, I'm just trying to consider all my options.
Remind me why you want a toma lynch? I've forgotten.
Unvote
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I'm not gonna be around for the deadline, by the way. Have to work.
Dusk Soldier
Member
It's been a full 36 hours since i called out AbsoluteBro for his inactivity and nothing...
vote: absolutBro
vote: absolutBro
I was trying to get votes together and dusk seemed like biggest consensus at the time.
My hullabaloo did get duck to respond though, and he said stuff about absolutbro that no one else was posting about at the time.
Dusk Soldier
Member
I feel like that was more of a pressure vote than anything, but i could be wrong.
Who should we lynch?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I haven't been able to get any reads on any of these people except for Exodu5, and even then it's a flimsy one at best. Your thoughts?
absolutbro - dusk called him out and catvoca is sheeping dusk. lynching this person we get rid of one of the worst under the radar people and we learn about a lot about dusk and a little about catvoca. absolutbro was giving out newbie advice at the beginning of the game a townie that's doing that should be excited to contribute. the extent of absolutbro's contributions have been the newbie advice and him defending himself.
theexodu5 - he was the most scum read person in the middle of this phase but no one was voting him for a good while. If TheExodu5 is town mafia could have been all over this. If we lynch TheExodu5 we learn about Timeaisis and barrylocke, and a little about me since I was the initial vote on him.
stackpole - under the radar. If we lynch stackpole we learn a little about timetokill.
euphemism - had that random post/vote check in and then bailed. If we lynch euphemism we don't learn very much.
MattyG - MattyG wants to lynch today "as bad as that sounds" yet hasn't moved his vote since he omgused ouro; also hasn't participated except to briefly defend himself. If we lynch MattyG we learn about batsnacks and ouro.
that's where I'm at. I didn't reread this so sorry if a lot of this is word salad nonsense.
theexodu5 - he was the most scum read person in the middle of this phase but no one was voting him for a good while. If TheExodu5 is town mafia could have been all over this. If we lynch TheExodu5 we learn about Timeaisis and barrylocke, and a little about me since I was the initial vote on him.
stackpole - under the radar. If we lynch stackpole we learn a little about timetokill.
euphemism - had that random post/vote check in and then bailed. If we lynch euphemism we don't learn very much.
MattyG - MattyG wants to lynch today "as bad as that sounds" yet hasn't moved his vote since he omgused ouro; also hasn't participated except to briefly defend himself. If we lynch MattyG we learn about batsnacks and ouro.
that's where I'm at. I didn't reread this so sorry if a lot of this is word salad nonsense.
Seems weird you say we won't learn anything from lynching Euphemism. A bunch of people have called him out throughout the game (don't recall the names right-now, but I cna go back and check). By the logic you're using for learning something about Dusk and I by lynching AbsolutBro, the same could be said for people commenting on Euphemism earlier no?
For the record, all those people you listed are basically interchangeable at this point. I'm easy voting anyone from the list. I really don't want a no-lynch.
For the record, all those people you listed are basically interchangeable at this point. I'm easy voting anyone from the list. I really don't want a no-lynch.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
I am content with Hyperactivity, Dusk Soldier, or AbsolutBro. Either of the first two because I want to figure out what was up with the strange interactions between them, AbsolutBro because he's just floating along and it unnerves me. For now:
VOTE: AbsolutBro
VOTE: AbsolutBro
Didn't Batsnacks literally just pick a bunch of targets?
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'd just like to say that I want a thunder dome as well
but if this current situation holds, the last hour will be hectic thunder domes. people with weaker leads/votes that don't seem to go anywhere are going to rapidly switch
Here's my problem right now.
For one, there are too many damned long posts here. I don't have the time to read through all the fluff and overly verbose posts. I want facts, hypothesis, and voting patterns. All we've got so far are weak "reads" scattered throughout massive walls of text. I don't have the time or patience to sift through all of this. This is why I'm inactive at this point. I also feel like it's much easier for scum to hide within active posters than inactive ones at this point.
Right now, barrylocke and batsnacks have twice tried to get a bandwagon started against me. Barrylocke failed the first time and went back on me. Now batsnacks is calling to go back against me. Batsnacks is also being quite active, which I find more suspect than anything day 1. In all the games I've been in, scum have tried to take lead of the conversation...Hyper did it in HP, and I feel like Batsnacks is doing it here.
I was content with a no lynch on day 1, but I'd rather not take the inevitable vote train lying down.
Vote: batsnacks
For one, there are too many damned long posts here. I don't have the time to read through all the fluff and overly verbose posts. I want facts, hypothesis, and voting patterns. All we've got so far are weak "reads" scattered throughout massive walls of text. I don't have the time or patience to sift through all of this. This is why I'm inactive at this point. I also feel like it's much easier for scum to hide within active posters than inactive ones at this point.
Right now, barrylocke and batsnacks have twice tried to get a bandwagon started against me. Barrylocke failed the first time and went back on me. Now batsnacks is calling to go back against me. Batsnacks is also being quite active, which I find more suspect than anything day 1. In all the games I've been in, scum have tried to take lead of the conversation...Hyper did it in HP, and I feel like Batsnacks is doing it here.
I was content with a no lynch on day 1, but I'd rather not take the inevitable vote train lying down.
Vote: batsnacks