Torchic is one of Masuda's favorite Pokemon and from what I remember it was in fact fairly popular. The Mega Blaziken from the anime only appears when they visit Lumiose City and will probably appear later on.
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Torchic is one of Masuda's favorite Pokemon and from what I remember it was in fact fairly popular. The Mega Blaziken from the anime only appears when they visit Lumiose City and will probably appear later on.
They are at the league now, the arc is almost over.
The show will be continuing after the league.
I always thought Blaziken was a Pokemon whose popularity has only increased over the years. Like you mentioned it had the event early on in XY and it also was the first Pokemon to be added to Pokken. (and also the first Pokemon shown to tease Pokken alongside Lucario)
I don't follow the anime closely anymore but in the general series it feels like Blaziken gets decent love, with Sceptile finally catching up and Swampert kinda getting the shaft.
On another note the Sinnoh starters kind of feel like they're floating in the abyss right now to me. That should change this gen if they remake Diamond and Pearl, though.
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Blaziken is actually an adaption of an early Latios proto-type; there's the concept art still floating around somewhere. So I guess that his visual inconsistency with Torchic and Combusken shows up as a result.
Charlie0108
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Been having a think about how many new Pokemon we might get this time round and I'm starting to feel pretty confident that we're going to get a decent amount, although a lot of that is down to my own speculation.
As it stands, we've had 25 Pokemon revealed. But now, if we add the Pokemon we know exist but we haven't seen yet, aka evolutions, we get...
Rowlet + 2
Litten + 2
Popplio + 2
Pikipek + 2
Yungoos + 1
Rockruff +1-2
Tapu Guardians x 3
Mythicals + 2-3
Marshadow
That's 41-43 we know about already then. Now, this where the speculation starts. Based purely off designs and what's been said about the Pokemon from the official sources these are the Pokemon I expect will either have a pre-evolve or be part of an evolution line.
Salandit
Bounsweet
Wimpod
Drampa
Mudsdale
Komala
Assuming all of those have 1 related Pokemon that takes the total up to 47-49.
If this speculation is correct that leaves us with Bewear, Mimikyu, Bruxish, Togedamaru and Comfey as single stage Pokemon, which is already as many as Kalos had and one more than Sinnoh, two of the smaller modern regions. It may be me reaching but looking at the last four generations the ones with more single stagers tend to be the larger Pokedex.
Another reason I'm leaning towards a larger Pokedex is a simple comparison between the the Gen VI and Gen VII reveals. By the time 25 Pokemon were revealed in Gen VI we'd already seen Scatterbug, Spewpa and Vivillon, Pancham and Pangoro, Inkay and Malamar and Fletchling and Talonflame. In comparison we've only seen Grubbin, Charjabug and Vikavolt so far then Gen. Showing less evolutions could be indicative of less reveal padding this time round.
Finally, we haven't seen any version exclusives yet, and the lowest amount of any new version exclusive Pokemon in a single generation is 8 in Gen VI. We also haven't seen fossils either and Johto is the only region not to have them.
Sorry about the long, very speculative post, but I like to think I've at least got some sound reasoning.
As it stands, we've had 25 Pokemon revealed. But now, if we add the Pokemon we know exist but we haven't seen yet, aka evolutions, we get...
Rowlet + 2
Litten + 2
Popplio + 2
Pikipek + 2
Yungoos + 1
Rockruff +1-2
Tapu Guardians x 3
Mythicals + 2-3
Marshadow
That's 41-43 we know about already then. Now, this where the speculation starts. Based purely off designs and what's been said about the Pokemon from the official sources these are the Pokemon I expect will either have a pre-evolve or be part of an evolution line.
Salandit
Bounsweet
Wimpod
Drampa
Mudsdale
Komala
Assuming all of those have 1 related Pokemon that takes the total up to 47-49.
If this speculation is correct that leaves us with Bewear, Mimikyu, Bruxish, Togedamaru and Comfey as single stage Pokemon, which is already as many as Kalos had and one more than Sinnoh, two of the smaller modern regions. It may be me reaching but looking at the last four generations the ones with more single stagers tend to be the larger Pokedex.
Another reason I'm leaning towards a larger Pokedex is a simple comparison between the the Gen VI and Gen VII reveals. By the time 25 Pokemon were revealed in Gen VI we'd already seen Scatterbug, Spewpa and Vivillon, Pancham and Pangoro, Inkay and Malamar and Fletchling and Talonflame. In comparison we've only seen Grubbin, Charjabug and Vikavolt so far then Gen. Showing less evolutions could be indicative of less reveal padding this time round.
Finally, we haven't seen any version exclusives yet, and the lowest amount of any new version exclusive Pokemon in a single generation is 8 in Gen VI. We also haven't seen fossils either and Johto is the only region not to have them.
Sorry about the long, very speculative post, but I like to think I've at least got some sound reasoning.
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I agree, you pretty much nailed the Pokemon I feel are single-stage. Well, I think Drampa might be too---"Druddigon" basically---but for some reason I think the idea of a female variant is probable.
With Version Exclusives by now we knew all of X/Y's Kalos Version Exclusives---the Box Legendaries, Skrelp and Clauncher at E3 2013, and then Spritzee and Slurpuff in CoroCoro in July I think. There were Version Exclusive Megas revealed post-released, but I've wondered too why we haven't had any solid Version Exclusives for SM yet...even the Box Legendaries I don't think have been said to be Version Exclusive specifically, though likely.
I forgot how Ruby and Sapphire's pre-release was exactly, but I think there outside the Box Legendaries we only knew about Lotad and Seedot, but Serebii's archives at that time are---um, well look for yourself---so it's hard to track how the pre-release went and I barely remember myself.
Diamond and Pearl revealed the Fossils pre-release (like Gen VI, though this didn't happen with III or V), who were also Version Exclusive, but interestingly Glameow was revealed alongside Buneary (though prior leaked alongside Happiny on merchandise) even though it was a Version Exclusive to Stunky, which we didn't learn till post-release. I remember this because I wanted to use Glameow (for...some reason), and happy I had imported Pearl. Never used that fucker, though. Mismagius and Honchkrow weren't revealed till post-release.
With Black and White the Gothitelle/Reuniclus pair was revealed as Version Exclusive, as were Petilil and Cottonee---though I recall it was like a month or so before release, maybe less, and those two had been leaked through PokeExperto. Like with Gen VI we have a Pokemon, Braviary in this case, revealed seemingly as a standalone with its Version Counterpart introduced post-release, though I believe Game Freak flat out stated that Mandibuzz was added a bit later to be its counterpart and may not have been intended to fill that role at first. We also didn't know about the Version Exclusive Genies, but that makes sense since they've never revealed the Legendary Trio pre-release as I recall.
With this in mind we definitely should've seen a Version Exclusive pair by now, and it's doubtful any of the previously revealed Pokemon happen to be secretly one since that's only happened twice. I also think following on XY The Pokemon Company seem interested in a bit more "transparency" before release, such as showing the Version Exclusives and Starter Evolutions before, but perhaps they dialed back since people seemed disappointed in the lack of surprised with XY and ORAS with every Mega Evolution being spoiled before release, even discounting the demo datamine.
With Version Exclusives by now we knew all of X/Y's Kalos Version Exclusives---the Box Legendaries, Skrelp and Clauncher at E3 2013, and then Spritzee and Slurpuff in CoroCoro in July I think. There were Version Exclusive Megas revealed post-released, but I've wondered too why we haven't had any solid Version Exclusives for SM yet...even the Box Legendaries I don't think have been said to be Version Exclusive specifically, though likely.
I forgot how Ruby and Sapphire's pre-release was exactly, but I think there outside the Box Legendaries we only knew about Lotad and Seedot, but Serebii's archives at that time are---um, well look for yourself---so it's hard to track how the pre-release went and I barely remember myself.
Diamond and Pearl revealed the Fossils pre-release (like Gen VI, though this didn't happen with III or V), who were also Version Exclusive, but interestingly Glameow was revealed alongside Buneary (though prior leaked alongside Happiny on merchandise) even though it was a Version Exclusive to Stunky, which we didn't learn till post-release. I remember this because I wanted to use Glameow (for...some reason), and happy I had imported Pearl. Never used that fucker, though. Mismagius and Honchkrow weren't revealed till post-release.
With Black and White the Gothitelle/Reuniclus pair was revealed as Version Exclusive, as were Petilil and Cottonee---though I recall it was like a month or so before release, maybe less, and those two had been leaked through PokeExperto. Like with Gen VI we have a Pokemon, Braviary in this case, revealed seemingly as a standalone with its Version Counterpart introduced post-release, though I believe Game Freak flat out stated that Mandibuzz was added a bit later to be its counterpart and may not have been intended to fill that role at first. We also didn't know about the Version Exclusive Genies, but that makes sense since they've never revealed the Legendary Trio pre-release as I recall.
With this in mind we definitely should've seen a Version Exclusive pair by now, and it's doubtful any of the previously revealed Pokemon happen to be secretly one since that's only happened twice. I also think following on XY The Pokemon Company seem interested in a bit more "transparency" before release, such as showing the Version Exclusives and Starter Evolutions before, but perhaps they dialed back since people seemed disappointed in the lack of surprised with XY and ORAS with every Mega Evolution being spoiled before release, even discounting the demo datamine.
Charlie0108
Member
Yeah, I can't really decide with Drampa. In Gen V and Gen VI however the early dragons shown have both been part of an evolution line.
The version exclusive stuff is a bit weird, surely we'll see some soon.
Watch Da Birdie
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One thing we can probably assume is Drampa isn't the pseudo-Legendary like some have speculated, since Game Freak seems to avoid showing them off before release---and it seems we always get a Dragon who looks like they could be a pseudo-Legendary, Haxorus and Noivern being notable examples.
Alternatively I've thought it'd be fun if Drampa is a first form Pokemon and reverse ages as he evolves, turning into some crazy powerful fetus-dragon.
Alternatively I've thought it'd be fun if Drampa is a first form Pokemon and reverse ages as he evolves, turning into some crazy powerful fetus-dragon.
Man this is exactly how i feel, i love this criticism. I personally loved a huge majority of the non mega pokemon added to gen 6 (can count the dislikes on 1 hand), not a fan of "add spiky shit". With the new pokemon revealed for 7 i've yet to see a "dude lmao add more spikes" design. We;ve yet to see megas though so it could be coming.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
One thing I noticed when looking through the Pokemon is in addition to Hawaiian animals we also seem to be getting a lot of animals known for being from another islands---Komala is the obvious one being from Australia, but Togedemaru is apparently based partially on the Ryukyu Spiny Rat from the Ryukyu islands, and I feel like Rockruff will evolved into a shisa-inspired Pokemon which is also known as a common symbol associated with Okinawa, and then one could see Mudsdale carrying this theme as well, though up north a bit since Clydesdale originate from Scotland.
I'm guessing a lot of our other Pokemon will be island creatures from around the world.
And speaking of Fossil Pokemon, I don't recall any of our previous Fossil Pokemon being aligned with where their real-world basis is---Tyrunt for example is found in Pokemon France, but the T-Rex inhabited North America, while Archen is in Pokemon North America where Kalos would work a bit better since the Archeopteryx lived near Germany. So it might be hard to guess what our Fossil Pokemon will be, especially since they jumped around a bit. Personally I'd love for them go with the lesser known early synapsids, "stem-mammals" which looked a lot like lizards still. One I've always thought was cool was the cynodont, which looks like a dog-lizard---I could see the Pokemon version turning into like a wolf/raptor creature or something. And then there's the dimetrodon, probably the most popular, which most folks probably think is a dinosaur---it's the one with the fin spine.
I'm guessing a lot of our other Pokemon will be island creatures from around the world.
And speaking of Fossil Pokemon, I don't recall any of our previous Fossil Pokemon being aligned with where their real-world basis is---Tyrunt for example is found in Pokemon France, but the T-Rex inhabited North America, while Archen is in Pokemon North America where Kalos would work a bit better since the Archeopteryx lived near Germany. So it might be hard to guess what our Fossil Pokemon will be, especially since they jumped around a bit. Personally I'd love for them go with the lesser known early synapsids, "stem-mammals" which looked a lot like lizards still. One I've always thought was cool was the cynodont, which looks like a dog-lizard---I could see the Pokemon version turning into like a wolf/raptor creature or something. And then there's the dimetrodon, probably the most popular, which most folks probably think is a dinosaur---it's the one with the fin spine.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Why would Mimikyu not evolve? It seems like they could easily make it a "shy Pokemon turned beautiful" kind of deal because it's Fairy and also they talk about how utterly mysterious the form is under the sheet.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
Give me a triceratops and a duck dino for fossils
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Looking at the XY information that appeared before the release, thanks to Bulbagarden's thread on it, excluding leaks the following Pokemon were never seen by an official source until the game was released...I marked an * by their name if they're part of a line that was revealed. I left off the Event Pokemon since they obviously wouldn't.
Chesnaught*
Delphox*
Greninja*
Diggersby*
Fletchinder*
Floette/Florges*
Espurr*
Aegislash*
Binacle/Barbaracle
Dragalge*
Clawitzer*
Heliolisk*
Hawlucha
Carbink
Goomy/Sligoo/Goodra
Klefki
Phantump*
Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist
Bergmite/Avalugg
Noibat*
Zygarde
So, ultimately we only got eight New Pokemon lines post-release. Looking it over it's more than it feels like, but because many of them are part of an evolution the amount of post-release Pokemon felt sparse.
On the other hand we got a fair amount of Mega Pokemon saved till after the game was released...
Mega Alakazam
Mega Gengar
Mega Pinsir
Mega Gyrados
Mega Aerodactyl
Mega Scizor
Mega Heracross
Mega Houndoom
Mega Tyranitar
Mega Gardevoir
Mega Aggron
Mega Medicham
Mega Manetric
Mega Banette
Mega Abomasnow
Speaking of Mega Pokemon, Bulbagarden mod Zeb recently discovered this "glitch" on the Japanese site:
Magearna's section, "Phantom Pokemon" (aka Mythical Pokemon) is labeled as #mega in the site's code.
Chesnaught*
Delphox*
Greninja*
Diggersby*
Fletchinder*
Floette/Florges*
Espurr*
Aegislash*
Binacle/Barbaracle
Dragalge*
Clawitzer*
Heliolisk*
Hawlucha
Carbink
Goomy/Sligoo/Goodra
Klefki
Phantump*
Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist
Bergmite/Avalugg
Noibat*
Zygarde
So, ultimately we only got eight New Pokemon lines post-release. Looking it over it's more than it feels like, but because many of them are part of an evolution the amount of post-release Pokemon felt sparse.
On the other hand we got a fair amount of Mega Pokemon saved till after the game was released...
Mega Alakazam
Mega Gengar
Mega Pinsir
Mega Gyrados
Mega Aerodactyl
Mega Scizor
Mega Heracross
Mega Houndoom
Mega Tyranitar
Mega Gardevoir
Mega Aggron
Mega Medicham
Mega Manetric
Mega Banette
Mega Abomasnow
Speaking of Mega Pokemon, Bulbagarden mod Zeb recently discovered this "glitch" on the Japanese site:
Magearna's section, "Phantom Pokemon" (aka Mythical Pokemon) is labeled as #mega in the site's code.
TiredGamer
Member
Sun/Moon is releasing a month later than X/Y, the PR cycle could have been shifted.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I wanna see Rockruff's evo
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
So yeah the anime... Sycamore researched Ash Greninja and apparently it was called "kizuna genshou". Rough translation is "bond phenomenon".
It is definitely coming to the games.
Maybe this next week's announcement?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
he showed this too
basically certain pokemon have "latent" abilities that can only be accessed by really deep bonds when both trainer and pokemon care for each other.
In the anime, context is that Froakie had some knowledge that he has this latent abilities and chose Ash for it.
basically certain pokemon have "latent" abilities that can only be accessed by really deep bonds when both trainer and pokemon care for each other.
In the anime, context is that Froakie had some knowledge that he has this latent abilities and chose Ash for it.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
So are we assuming GF dropped Megas?
PadWarrior
Member
Nice!
At this point it seems like they've at least shifted focus away from megas and towards Z-Moves as a sort of replacement. I wouldn't be surprised if there were no new megas in this game and all the current megas get super nerfed and saved for post game.
It just seems like Z-Moves are trying to accomplish the same thing Megas were without forcing you to pick one of a dozen or so Pokemon for every team you build.
Well, Alola is super far away from any region. It would make sense that Mega Evolution is not as prominent there as it is in Kalos (the birthplace of Mega Evolutions) despite connections between the two regions. In XY, Mega Evolution was the big thing and was rightfully given a lot of attention. It's not the big thing now, so it's okay if it takes a back seat to me.
Exterminieren
Banned
No. The anime and supplemental media are still leaning on them heavily, the Z-Ring looks like it has a circular hole for a Key Stone on it, and the idea that Game Freak, masters of keeping irrelevant Pokémon forms in all of their games, are going to drop dozens of them at a stroke is a little daft.
They don't seem to be the focus this time around by any means, but I'd be struck dumb to see that they'd been taken out.
Thank you for this writeup, I was just hoping to find some information on the exclusives timeline. I'm REALLY hoping this new CoroCoro next week (ish) reveals some exclusives. I really want to preorder a copy and I want to know who I'm deciding between!
- Red/Blue - Gotta love me some Arcanine and Elexctabuzz. Although technically I was too young to choose on my own, I still got Fire Red when it came out
- Gold/Silver- Silver was my choice, although again, probably was too young, it balanced my Red perfectly since it had Vulpiz/Meowth. And I loved Donphan/Skarmory
- Ruby/Sapphire- Sapphire had me the most hurt, and probably was when I first start paying attention to exclusives. I like Zangoose and Shiftry so much more than Sevpier and Ludicolo
- Diamond/Pearl- Diamond all the way here. a Trex fossil? Sold. And a tank skunk VS Ugly cat wasn't a choice. Although I did miss Mismagius, I always liked that evo line
- Black/White- Probably the toughest call so far. Went with white for various reasons ('MERICA), but Reuniclus and Zerkom sold it for me, actually.
- X/Y- Went with X because of Charizard, mostly. I liked skrelp's line better than clauncher, like ttar over aggron, but that Charizard... can't say no to it.
Hunh, you know, looking at that list, it's really only a few pokemon that decide the version for me. Thanks to the ease of trading and hatching, it's easy to get the missed pokes (In X, I ran a mean Dragalge). The only thing it REALLY impacts is your first playthrough.
Still, come on gamefreak, give us something.
Shadow Broker
Banned
I was thinking the Z-wrist thing reaffirmed Mega evolutions.
Like a do all devices:
Hey kids,
Having trouble managing your Z stone and Mega stones!?!?
Well do I have a treat for you! Here is our Z Wrist 9000 which is over 9000!
You can store your Z stones on the side while you mega Evolve you're favorite Charizard!
Wink wink
Mega Charizard Z
Wink wink
I'm mixed with megas. I like some of the mega designs, but I think the concept leaves much to be desired and ultimately is rather broken.
I think a nice middle ground retcon they can make is that mega forms are basically these "bond evolutions" that they have used to explain Ash-Greninja.
So for example, one you have done the prerequisite bonding with, say, an Alakazam, you can bond with it like Greninja did with Ash and get its "true" form, which is what we know as mega Alakazam.
It would basically be like a glorified alternate form for regular Alakazam and would be permanent so the form isnt only seen in battle like mega evolutions are now. The mega evolution stat raise would obviously be scrapped or at least lowered considerably. It woyld balance the meta, have its role replaced by the, what I think will be, much more fair z moves, and also still allow us to keep these mega designs at the same time.
I just feel like that fits with the theme of pokemon better, instead of basically using a rock to power up your pokemon to super saiyan form.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I meant in as getting new Mega pokemon, no way would they just take them out of the game lol.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
A popular idea is going forward we'll see stuff like the Alola Variants in the new Regions while Mega Pokemon might be saved for the remakes (such as the possible DP remakes) to give them something to advertise since they lack New Pokemon. I'd be happy with that.
Exterminieren
Banned
Ah, I getcha.
Possibly? I don't think we've seen the last of them, but they're obviously not the focus- I could see a few tucked away in the post game, but I'd be surprised if we got them on the same scale as XY or ORAS.
You laugh, but people have been seriously suggesting that Game Freak's dumped them entirely.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I also wonder if we'll see Version Exclusive Alola Variants.
The two Pokemon we've seen, Vulpix and Sandshrew, are typically Version Exclusive...and rumors claim apparently the Growlithe and Ekans lines, their counterparts, might get Variants too.
The two Pokemon we've seen, Vulpix and Sandshrew, are typically Version Exclusive...and rumors claim apparently the Growlithe and Ekans lines, their counterparts, might get Variants too.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Perhaps "Hero Greninja", since the original special Greninja seen in the Ninja Village was called that basically.
So Froakie knew it had a hidden power which is why it could never get along with those other trainers until it picked Ash? Interesting.
PadWarrior
Member
Lol
We've already seen a regular Arcanine. Although I suppose anything is possible on Gen 7's Wild Ride!
chaobreaker
Member
It would suck if if only some of the region starters get Megas.
Im starting to think maybe the z-moves would be a counter to a mega, unless that move is also available to the mega. but even then if it can be a trump card for people since you can only use one mega per match that move could help take one out or give you a different strategy where it doesnt have to involve a mega.
D
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Honestly, I don't know what I'd do about them if I was Game Freak. They ruin the SP campaign if they're available during the campaign given how strong they are unless literally all AI opponents also use them, and if AI opponents do, then Megas lock players into using one of the relatively small pool of Pokemon that actually does have a Mega. You can leave them as just something for the post-game, which means they only ruin competitive play, but you can see that Nintendo does actually place some value on competitive play, as evidenced by the change to IVs this gen.
I don't think they need to remove the concept in and of itself, but if I were Game Freak I'd be looking at changing the mechanic pretty heavily. I certainly wouldn't make status quo Megas a headline feature.
On the one hand, Megas are arguably the most obviously fan-pandering thing Game Freak has ever done; souping up old favorites to ridiculous levels with detailed makeovers and making them Uber-powerful is a powerful appeal to many a small child.
On the other hand, small children have short attention spans, so they could probably be tucked away quietly this time around in favor of Z-Moves or whathaveyou without complaint from their end.
Since Megas only exist temporarily, they can be modified for competitions without causing issues. I'd expect to see rearranged stats, adjustments of Abilities like Parental Bond, and maybe even just replacing some Mega Abilities outright.
On the other hand, small children have short attention spans, so they could probably be tucked away quietly this time around in favor of Z-Moves or whathaveyou without complaint from their end.
Since Megas only exist temporarily, they can be modified for competitions without causing issues. I'd expect to see rearranged stats, adjustments of Abilities like Parental Bond, and maybe even just replacing some Mega Abilities outright.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Okay well, it's very nice that you don't like Megas but holy shit my friend try not to be so reductive and insulting.
I like Megas (which is good because they aren't leaving), and I'm not a small, attentionless child.
The problems are only with a few Pokemon. Many Megas are balanced just fine.