Nevermind. Talk about shooting myself in the knee, given my previous statement addressed at Flush.
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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
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Nevermind. Talk about shooting myself in the knee, given my previous statement addressed at Flush.
I dunno. I think this can turn into a nice town slip if TheGoddamn flips scum.
I'm not judging you for your mistake. I am, however, going to make snarky comments at you. Because that's what a Sophia does.
Suddle.... (misspelling on purpose to remain legally distinct from Sawneeks)
Also El Topo, I looked at your notes (Which are giving me a townie read now) and I saw this.
It seems odd to make an unsupported "theory" (I'm hesitatant to call it a claim) that I might be Gaga now, then say he's not taking anything for granted at #1073. Very weird behavior there.
It seems odd to make an unsupported "theory" (I'm hesitatant to call it a claim) that I might be Gaga now, then say he's not taking anything for granted at #1073. Very weird behavior there.
The main reason I gut read him as town is because he's playing differently from how he played the last time he was scum. And I do like trusting my gut because it's oftentimes better a judge than my head. But I admit that it could be baseless.
I don't think that's such a strong justification for not lynching that no one should question him about it. CM had the whole day to come up with at least a gut read he could leave us with?
I'm not sure when he corrected me. Can you quote that post? I'm sorry if I missed that, though I don't think that invalidates any of my concerns so far.
...no? I'm honestly not sure what you're implying. How would posting after melon further scum-Fireblend's interests in any way? Like, you're scum-reading the timing of the post because my name was mentioned in the previous one? Should I have held off until someone else had replied? If Flush had posted first, would that have been a bad look?
Could you answer my last question?
Do you have any examples or anything else? My memory of him in Heist was just that he coasted, but that was a long time ago.
Oh, I did refer to that, I included that one when I said he'd dedicated 3 posts to me, I just didn't directly quote it because I had more thoughts about the 2 posts after that. Not much can be said for the first part except that I still find it odd that he'd chose not to leave a vote, and I conceded that a no-lynch was IMO equally as useless:
In Bachelor Party, he came in with mega posts every so often and made logical arguments wherever he could, just enough that in the heat of things people didn't suspect him. The biggest reason he was noticed as scum was his unwillingness to commit to votes, especially on Day 3.
I can slightly believe the "I lost track of the vote count", but at the same time I find it strange he's trying to create a narrative of him and Bronx where there is none except for maybe Ynnek. And again, I'm confused as to why he didn't just say "Sophia unvoted" and/or "I couldn't make a logical argument for any other vote with the very short time period that I had", which seems like a way easier argument to make than trying to justify it as losing track of the vote count.
Did Royal mention any other reasons for jumping off El Topo? And has he said anything about El Topo since then? I'm gonna go back and check, but it'd be easier if someone could point me in the right direction.
(If this comes off as a bit off-track or hard to follow, I apologize.)
Lone_Prodigy
Member
This one? Yes I meant "changing" as "acquiring a a new alignment along with the existing one."
That doesn't sound like the definition of changing at all lol, and it's such an odd point to be defending too, why not just concede you meant the other thing at first? What a weird discussion.
Well at least some people here have respect for the trademark.
My lawyers will be in contact with you two shortly.
I won't stand for such a heinous disregard for the rules
Danganronpa Alumni Chat.
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p.s. did you know that Danganronpa mafia ended roughly a year ago today? time flew by really fast. ._.
Just checked, and I didn't see anything.
Hey Royal, why the lack of conversation about El Topo? You said, and I quote, "Topo is by far my strongest scum read so far.", so surely that didn't just disappear? You felt so confident enough about it to vote with me even... But as far as I can tell you haven't said a single thing about him this day phase, instead focusing on Verelios who has been responding to everything you throw at him...
Hey Royal, why the lack of conversation about El Topo? You said, and I quote, "Topo is by far my strongest scum read so far.", so surely that didn't just disappear? You felt so confident enough about it to vote with me even... But as far as I can tell you haven't said a single thing about him this day phase, instead focusing on Verelios who has been responding to everything you throw at him...
Hmm, Darryl's day 1 way of pushing people seemed like the normal town Darryl to me. I have been scum with Darryl once in NX and there he was way more random with his attacks then now. Then again, during that game he had barely time to play, couldn't read the thread and made everything up on the fly, so I don't know how much trust I should put into my experiences in that game.
The darryl/goddamn combo is a weird part of this game for me, since I felt good about Darryl being town, but Goddamn feels a lot worse with his heavy focus on the trainer stuff and his weird theory that it is likely just a mason thing. This makes me feel confused
I have no problem with you bringing up ferret. What I do find weird is how you repeatedly point out situations that you find weird, but then don't follow up at all. Like you said that you liked the odds of finding scum in the bronx voters, but never brought that up again. Did you change your mind?
BTW, I have a busy day tomorrow with work (boo!) and my graduation ceremony (jay!). I should be back in time for days end, but I don't know for sure. Dusk is still my main scum suspect so I still feel good about my vote on him.
Hmm, Darryl's day 1 way of pushing people seemed like the normal town Darryl to me. I have been scum with Darryl once in NX and there he was way more random with his attacks then now. Then again, during that game he had barely time to play, couldn't read the thread and made everything up on the fly, so I don't know how much trust I should put into my experiences in that game.
The darryl/goddamn combo is a weird part of this game for me, since I felt good about Darryl being town, but Goddamn feels a lot worse with his heavy focus on the trainer stuff and his weird theory that it is likely just a mason thing. This makes me feel confused
Really says a lot about TheGoddamn that we have so little to go off of we're analyzing Darryl instead.
Of course, he sure does have enough time to comment on the flip with mostly pointless speculation instead of scum hunting.
breaking this down by page because god damn it stop posting so much
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Could you please explain why you unvoted here? Because you just accuse Sophia of being Scummy and give briefs reasons as to why you think so and then....you unvote her???
You should read Price is Right because what you just described did actually happen. Spoilers: It was stressful and a lot of fun.
The Lucky Buddy, man. The god damn Lucky Buddy.
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Sooooo you want to lynch Sophia just confirm it was Town v Town? Or is it because you Scum read her?
this train never ends.
What do you think of the amount of people who were 'thinking' of voting Melon but ended up not? Does this make Melon more Town in your eyes or even Scummier?
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Could you please explain why you unvoted here? Because you just accuse Sophia of being Scummy and give briefs reasons as to why you think so and then....you unvote her???
You should read Price is Right because what you just described did actually happen. Spoilers: It was stressful and a lot of fun.
The Lucky Buddy, man. The god damn Lucky Buddy.
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Sooooo you want to lynch Sophia just confirm it was Town v Town? Or is it because you Scum read her?
this train never ends.
What do you think of the amount of people who were 'thinking' of voting Melon but ended up not? Does this make Melon more Town in your eyes or even Scummier?
Glad you picked up on that. I found the doubling down weird too, but not sure what to make of it.
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Question!
So you want to vote out Salva above all else because you see him as dead weight and nothing more but yet if it came down to a tie vote you would go for RF? So you would much rather vote out Salva as opposed to someone you think could be Scum so he can have more time to essentially 'clean up his act'? We learn nothing from flipping Salva, seeing as he hasn't done much, but flipping RF would give us a ton of stuff to go back on and read into.
I'm trying to understand why lynching someone for little info is better than lynching someone to get better reads.
What was your read on Topo again?
Would love a read on each of them if you get the chance.
thx
I don't believe you ever stated your suspicions of verelios before? What made you change? Or I should say, what made you vote him now instead of earlier or on Day 1.
List are neat but Scum Hunting is better.
Do you believe that either Fireblend or Melon are Scum? Specifically taking into account the whole 'well maybe we will vote for them!' attitude that you mentioned.
???
I wouldn't call that a tunnel, what made you lean and say that?
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No one should assume anyone is 100%? The only reason you ever assume 100% is either someone has flipped/is a Scum teammate/a cleared Cop check.
Question!
So you want to vote out Salva above all else because you see him as dead weight and nothing more but yet if it came down to a tie vote you would go for RF? So you would much rather vote out Salva as opposed to someone you think could be Scum so he can have more time to essentially 'clean up his act'? We learn nothing from flipping Salva, seeing as he hasn't done much, but flipping RF would give us a ton of stuff to go back on and read into.
I'm trying to understand why lynching someone for little info is better than lynching someone to get better reads.
What was your read on Topo again?
Would love a read on each of them if you get the chance.
thx
I don't understand this at all. How does it not give me a good look? What time would have been better? And what's this benefit of the doubt backpedalling bs?
Vote: Verelios
I don't believe you ever stated your suspicions of verelios before? What made you change? Or I should say, what made you vote him now instead of earlier or on Day 1.
List are neat but Scum Hunting is better.
Do you believe that either Fireblend or Melon are Scum? Specifically taking into account the whole 'well maybe we will vote for them!' attitude that you mentioned.
???
I wouldn't call that a tunnel, what made you lean and say that?
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No one should assume anyone is 100%? The only reason you ever assume 100% is either someone has flipped/is a Scum teammate/a cleared Cop check.
Royal_Flush
Member
Let's continue our dance, shall we, Verelios?
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I had the feeling that came out quite clearly. Apparently not. The phrase "I'll explain my vote on Sawneeks since time is running low." followed by a list of posts triggers my Scum sensors.
But it's easier to search through. What is your problem with just writing a list or even posting your current Scum subject? Are you unable to not tunnel once you wrote down a name or something?
Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to ask here.
I dunno; I don't have a problem with the reasoning. You apparently had, otherwise you wouldn't have voted for Stan who already stated his reasons D1...
I'm curious. What exactly do you think I was subtly implying there?
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But why would I write that? That's not what happened. The only thing you had to with the unvote was the fact that you stated you maybe would want to switch to melonrabbit. Sorry to break it down to you, but at no point in time did I feel obliged to keep my vote on Topo because of you.
El Topo didn't post anything (other than "I'll be busy today") until very recently. Why would I discuss him if nothing changed since yesterday? However, this whole mountain fluff and the fact that he didn't notice Darryl was replaced for some reason I can't explain strikes me as towny.
Hey, I saved your life and killed my Scumbuddy with that one! A bit more gratefulness, please.
Er. That's what strikes you as towny? You're town reading him now? Not when he was making all those posts that gave me cold feet at the end of Day 1? And you didn't have any comments or arguments or anything at all for any of those?
...
Something doesn't add up here.
*goes to re-read over D2 stuff*
I initially voted for him because I wanted to call his weird logic out, but his inability/unwillingness to justify that initial post about my timing feels off, like he was hoping for someone to piggyback off that comment to push in my direction so I'm keeping it there. Yesterday we did have a bit of a back and forth and I had my doubts but nothing I could make up my mind with so I had little reason to vote him over my other suspects.
Do you make anything of our conversation (me and verelios')?
I didn't see Melon talk about Royal really in Day 2 for the most part. There was this mention of Royal in regards to Verelios and mentioning that Royal hasn't explained his vote.
And yet...
... Royal isn't on her list of people she'd like to hear more about?
She was also discussing Verelios, like Royal is now.
Melon, is there any particular reason you're not discussing Royal? Did I miss some discussion for D2? Any particular reads on him?
And yet...
... Royal isn't on her list of people she'd like to hear more about?
She was also discussing Verelios, like Royal is now.
Melon, is there any particular reason you're not discussing Royal? Did I miss some discussion for D2? Any particular reads on him?
Royal_Flush
Member
I noticed something while I was writing above replies to verelios, but I'm obviously biased on that one. Could someone please check if Verelios in his two big replies (1, 2) to me seems at least as interested in throwing shade at me as to debunk my points? Especially in the second one...
Depending on how legitimate you think this case against me is, you won't learn a ton from my flip. If you get convinced by it, why wouldn't others? (Assuming you're Town here)
*shrug*
He seemed angry, which is kind of NAI. I was still confident enough he was Scum. And I don't especially Town read him now, but he isn't close to my top-Scum atm. That would, depending on my above question, probably either be Verelios or Dusk who also is a person with a whole lot of secretly empty posts. I will read into melonrabbit now. I didn't keep track of what Ferret was doing today tbh, so he also might emerge. At least D1 he had tons of those secretly empty posts.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
That's what I'm saying though, your only contributions up to that point were pointing out obvious ways people (mostly me) stand out, hence asking if anything else had caught your eye. I'm not saying you created a narrative, I'm saying that you're making really shallow obvious observations and then patting yourself on the back for it because you brought something up that no one else was talking about.
I wouldn't vote for Salva now, but if no one else voted and I had to choose between him and RF (let's say Ty put that gun he was passing around to my head and said choose) yes I would vote for Salva because I don't want to let my personal prejudice against RF lead to getting rid of a player who contributes. And I would rather have potential scum Royal stick around and make connections to others for even more info the next day, than risk potential scum Salva continuing to do the opposite.
But when other people vote this issue isn't quite as bad, because it's not just my personal issue of always gut scum reading RF, others would clearly think he was scum so I can take solace in the fact that it wouldn't just be me getting rid of him for bs petty reasons, as opposed to Salva who would then entirely be in that position for being useless.
Another thing is that, if it were just me, then there isn't really that much more info to be gained from one or the other, the other votes on the two of them make an impact in that regard, and seeing who voted Royal over Salva (and vice versa) would be of just as much use as the connections that Royal already has made with his post. What I mean by this is that ifit were just my vote on Royal all we really have is his flip and what he's already posted, having the rest of the people vote gives plenty a bit more info, as opposed to if I were to vote Salva we have the same issue but then there isn't really much to learn from the votes should others vote.
(I think maybe you looked at the first part of my previous post and thought it meant I would prefer a Salva lynch, when I meant the above thing about if I were literally the only person voting)
Venting like that seemed very townie, especially when most people were siding with L_P. This type of post especially I don't see a lot from someone who's self conscious of what people think of them.
Perhaps I can answer this since I was just in a game against Scum!Splinter.
In Price is Right, Splinter went in making logical posts every now and again before settling in to tunnel on Town!WAMD/Salva. He pushed for that lynch for roughly 3 Day phases and barely did anything else/barely commented on anything else. The last Day he was alive he backed away suddenly from the tunnel and claimed to be unsure. That Night phase, Ynnek ( our god-like Vig ) shot him.
While I won't confidently say I Town read Splinter this game, I will say he seems far more relaxed than he did compared to the last one. While things he did do stick out to me ( suddenly Town reading me on Day 1 with no prompting, backing away from the 'nicely established Sophia bandwagon' ) I actually Town lean on him right now, especially when compared to most other players.
The darryl/goddamn combo is a weird part of this game for me, since I felt good about Darryl being town, but Goddamn feels a lot worse with his heavy focus on the trainer stuff and his weird theory that it is likely just a mason thing. This makes me feel confused
I have no problem with you bringing up ferret. What I do find weird is how you repeatedly point out situations that you find weird, but then don't follow up at all. Like you said that you liked the odds of finding scum in the bronx voters, but never brought that up again. Did you change your mind?
BTW, I have a busy day tomorrow with work (boo!) and my graduation ceremony (jay!). I should be back in time for days end, but I don't know for sure. Dusk is still my main scum suspect so I still feel good about my vote on him.
Glad to know I'm not the only one feeling that way about TheG. >.>;
Also, congrats Roy!
Which is funny because that actually did the opposite for me.
Didn't you also say earlier that you Town-read him more because of that vote?
lol
Vote: Royal_Flush
So yesterday didn't set off alarms for you but today did? Even though the reasons you just gave for voting for him now are the same exact ones that I gave for Day 1?
Between you and Verelios? No, other than what I'm asking above.
I'm more interested in VereliosxRoyal.
Actually, we would learn a lot.
For instance, I don't believe that you and Verelios ( or you and Sophia for that matter ) are Scum Buddies. Given your actions this Day phase I feel it's a safe bet to say this is most likely the case and since I Scum Read ( or scum lean ) all 3 of you then taking out the one that is connected to the others provides more ground for better reads and the chance to hit Scum.
Like if you flipped Scum ( which atm I'm willing to bet on ) then that means Verelios and Sophia are probably Town despite my misgivings about them. This also means I will be looking closer at El Topo.
Or you might flip Town, in which case I go back to Verelios and Sophia as possible Scum candidates given their own individual actions.
I wouldn't say that's nothing, Mr. Rocket.
Quite so, Pennyworth!
Time was running low, there was less than an hour to the day left. You're powers of grasping at straws precede you.
What is your problem with actually looking at player interactions/votes? It sounds like you're trying to steer people away from getting legitimate reads into 'LIST LIST LIST' time.
Couldn't be clearer but I'll state it in one sentence just for you. Do you find random fluff odd, yes or no? Simple right? Good.
Ayyyyy, here comes the swiveling. I had a problem with why he voted/unvoted, he gave a reason. You have a problem with me not continuing after that answer. Now, I want to ask what you expected to hear other than that?
Very quaint
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This is some next level shilling, day start had the Goddamn change immediately, not to mention seeing Barry's pm, I'd think you'd see the change.
You seem nervous Fire, I only pointed out that posting directly after someone called you out while you're generally M.I.A for the day isn't a good look. It looks like you're monitoring the thread. What's there to justify? It's a weird occurrence.
Partly because I was throwing shade, and partly because I can both throw shade and deconstruct your posts at the same time. Now, why wouldn't I?
Brah, said everybody ever. Going by this logic not a lot of people would be getting the rope
Hm, hm, amazing use of deflection. Not only do you give not one, but two alternatives for lynch you also try and progressively keep on topic with highly debated players. Stellar sport, great play.
Hmmm, maybe it's because I haven't had lunch yet but I'm having trouble understanding. Let me see if I have this right.
-You wish to keep Royal alive because not only do you always Scum read him but because if Royal is Scum then keeping him around provides more info to be used later once we eventually flip him.
- You wish to get rid of Salva only if it was just you voting. From my understanding of this, it's just because you see him as dead weight and therefore just want him out of the game, not because you necessarily Scum read him.
- The only info we would gain from either flip would be mostly in the vote record despite what you said previously that keeping Royal around provides more info as he makes connections.
Do I have that right?
Royal_Flush
Member
I highly doubt that.
That's why you're voting for me? I get the feeling playing completely honest as Town is not the optimal play in here...
Wouldn't optimal play as town be following up on your scum reads from D1?
I'm re-reading D1 Melon right now, wait to see what she says in regards to my above questions. She and you have suspiciously been ignoring each other for the most part.
I don't even know what that means
I was thinking of Royal Flush. Sophia mentioned (lightly) gut reading Flush as town.
Royal_Flush
Member
Apparently if you don't get triggered by the things the majority seems to get triggered from but by other things instead or if your reason for a (as it turns out inconsequential) unvote at day end is not keeping track with the votecount and say the truth about these things, you get read as Scum.
That doesn't sound helpful to town.
Oops.
For some reason you and Ty get mixed up in my head a lot. I was thinking of this quote and attributed it to you when I said that, my mistake.
Sophia keeps stealing my responses but uh, yeah, what she said.
...oh.
maybe I should step away and have lunch now, this is like the 3rd thing I have misread/misremembered now.
brb
Royal_Flush
Member
That's why I'm being honest. To be helpful. Got me 3 votes so far. (I count *Splinter since his initial trigger was the statement that I usually am a Null-read the first few phases)
Also, I'm just gonna be upfront about this, but it's really infuriating to play with someone like SavlaPot. Here's his D2 stuff:
Speculation on setup and the role flip instead of scum hunting
Seems to have given up as a player apparently.
Doesn't appear to have any reads.
Like, I get that this game is fast. It's unfortunate and I apologize because I'm a big source of it, but... at least try to tunnel someone? Anything? What are we suppose to do if you're town besides lynch you and see if it's a mislynch? : \
Speculation on setup and the role flip instead of scum hunting
Seems to have given up as a player apparently.
Doesn't appear to have any reads.
Like, I get that this game is fast. It's unfortunate and I apologize because I'm a big source of it, but... at least try to tunnel someone? Anything? What are we suppose to do if you're town besides lynch you and see if it's a mislynch? : \
Unmasked Ferret
Member
- Not quite. I never said I wish to keep Royal alive, just that if it were only me voting I would vote Salva before Royal.
- The second point is more or less right, I might not scum read Salva but I also admit that there is a chance that he is scum and getting that conversation out of the way now would be beneficial.
-That's the opposite of what I was saying, we learn little from votes on Salva, but more from votes on Royal hence why I would rather have a Royal lynch should there be a tie because those votes plus his flip and posts would give us more info than the votes from a Salva lynch.
If I attributed to Melon's post a percentage of the reason I decided to post at that moment, at what percentage would you say my decision to post then was scummy? 1%, 25%? I said I'd been busy in the first sentence of that post, so your observation was clearly there to serve 2 purposes: for someone to pick up and build off of, and so I could say "oh that's just when I had a chance to post, thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt" and for both of us to leave it at that, and then you were caught off guard when that was not my response. I can't think of any other reason and apparently you can't either. You didn't answer whether you would have said the same thing if my post and the one after it had been flipped, either.
And the "good/bad look" phrase reeks of a way to not say outright that something feels scummy; you even used it on yourself on day 1:
It just feels like you're giving yourself too many outs and afraid of committing to a straight read. That along with the fishy intentions for this whole conversation is what's giving me red flags.
Royal_Flush
Member
Hmmm, so melonrabbit, right?
The first trigger was that she was one of the people that talked a lot about the triangle, which seems to be an easy target and easy discussion point without contributing significantly. That's when she first popped onto my radar as possibly Scum
Later came the - let's call it "very generous interpreted" - read of Topo. Now Topo was my Top Scum candidate at the time, but it was D1 so far from certain. It surely doesn't make me ignore that Topo called her a liar and noone really objected.
Those two factors together were enough for a possible D1 vote.
D2 is just solid. A bit of fluff from time to time, but mostly just between useful posts. I don't know, could easily be Town. But should be kept en eye on.
The first trigger was that she was one of the people that talked a lot about the triangle, which seems to be an easy target and easy discussion point without contributing significantly. That's when she first popped onto my radar as possibly Scum
Later came the - let's call it "very generous interpreted" - read of Topo. Now Topo was my Top Scum candidate at the time, but it was D1 so far from certain. It surely doesn't make me ignore that Topo called her a liar and noone really objected.
Those two factors together were enough for a possible D1 vote.
D2 is just solid. A bit of fluff from time to time, but mostly just between useful posts. I don't know, could easily be Town. But should be kept en eye on.