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Lé Blade Runner
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(05-26-2017, 08:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by dude

Man, do I suck at this game. I still can't get a grip on the controls and mechanics, and I always seem to get blind-sided.
I'm having a blast though, just wish I wouldn't die as much as I do.

So say we all.

I just hope that I get better at this. The game is amaze-balls when it comes to visceral action and feel!
Oreoleo
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(05-26-2017, 09:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by sfried

I have. The Steam controller seems to default to mapping the keyboard layout on the gamepad. Will wait for someone to make a default with mous-like-joystck.

Pretty simple to do yourself. Default gamepad bindings, right pad as mouse-like joystick, put left bumper on one of the grip buttons so you don't have to claw grip when you want to aim and boost at the same time, fiddle with the in game sensitivities to get it where you like and you're basically done.
ParityBit
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(05-26-2017, 12:20 PM)
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So today (tomorrow?) I plan on finally finishing The Witcher 3 and all it's DLC. been a long ride since Xmas time!

So ..... do I start Vanguish or Bayonetta?!
texhnolyze
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(05-26-2017, 12:38 PM)
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So how do I do that backflip + slow-mo move from the gifs?
Sir Ilpalazzo
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(05-26-2017, 12:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by texhnolyze

So how do I do that backflip + slow-mo move from the gifs?

That's the heavy machine gun's (and anti-armor pistol's) melee attack. Just use it, then aim.
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(05-26-2017, 12:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by texhnolyze

So how do I do that backflip + slow-mo move from the gifs?

Dash into an enemy, press the melee button (B on 360 controllers), and then go into aim mode before you hit the ground.
ShadowOwl
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(05-26-2017, 01:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by L.O.R.D

720p
Everything on low
Getting 40-60FPS.

Oh well.

What rig are you running this on? Even my 9 year old system can handle this game.
Tecnniqe
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(05-26-2017, 01:04 PM)
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3440x1440 locked 98fps via RTSS with as high settings as I can seem to find :D

Smuuuuuth 11/10 port and 10/10 game!
Trojan X
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(05-26-2017, 01:08 PM)
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Using old backup PC since my main PC is currently out of order:

i7 320 @ 3.4ghz
Memory 12 gb 1600mhz
GTX 680
2560x1600 Resolution 60hz

All settings - HIGH. Motion blur - OFF.

Average frame rate 65fps! Excellent! That means it's 60fps solid on my monitor. Sometimes it dips to 55fps when things go absolutely insane. On my main PC, I'm sure everything will run at over 100mhz easy!
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Originally Posted by ParityBit

So today (tomorrow?) I plan on finally finishing The Witcher 3 and all it's DLC. been a long ride since Xmas time!

So ..... do I start Vanguish or Bayonetta?!

Not being funny but that's a tough dilemma! haha. Once you start one of them you'll become insanely invested. The overall better game is Bayonetta but... perhaps play both?
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(05-26-2017, 01:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by ParityBit

So today (tomorrow?) I plan on finally finishing The Witcher 3 and all it's DLC. been a long ride since Xmas time!

So ..... do I start Vanguish or Bayonetta?!

Play Vanquish, it's shorter.
L.O.R.D
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(05-26-2017, 01:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShadowOwl

What rig are you running this on? Even my 9 year old system can handle this game.

laptop

i7 3630MQ
8GB RAM
GTX 660m 2GB
Shredderi
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(05-26-2017, 01:39 PM)
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My friend is saying that the game plays a bit too much like Gears of War in his opinion with lots of ducking behind cover with short burst of quick action. Is this true or does my friend suck? It just doesn't seem like the game I've seen in youtube all these years.
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(05-26-2017, 01:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shredderi

My friend is saying that the game plays a bit too much like Gears of War in his opinion with lots of ducking behind cover with short burst of quick action. Is this true or does my friend suck? It just doesn't seem like the game I've seen in youtube all these years.

You can play it like Gears if you want to, but that isn't optimal to the gameplay engine imo.
Llyranor
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(05-26-2017, 02:00 PM)
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I'm debating KB/M vs gamepad. Mouse makes aiming way easier, the controls otherwise feel more comfortable with gamepad.

Originally Posted by Shredderi

My friend is saying that the game plays a bit too much like Gears of War in his opinion with lots of ducking behind cover with short burst of quick action. Is this true or does my friend suck? It just doesn't seem like the game I've seen in youtube all these years.

Frankly, your friend is playing it "wrong". Shooters don't really get more dynamic than this. Cover is there for you to take a breather, but you can absolutely dash and dodge around all over the place.
Mupod
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(05-26-2017, 02:04 PM)
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did some experimentation and couldn't find any SLI bits that do anything. Well, aside from making the game minimize itself when I got on a turret, that was weird.

A single 970 seems to handle this very well at 1440p and maxed, so no big deal.
Grief.exe
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(05-26-2017, 02:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shredderi

My friend is saying that the game plays a bit too much like Gears of War in his opinion with lots of ducking behind cover with short burst of quick action. Is this true or does my friend suck? It just doesn't seem like the game I've seen in youtube all these years.

Check this video on how to boost dodge and reload cancel. I get the impression you should never stop moving, but I'm new to the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCC_YpoEugg
Last edited by Grief.exe; 05-26-2017 at 03:01 PM.
Hybris
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(05-26-2017, 02:59 PM)
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First time playing last night, made it to act 3 in one sitting, loving it so far. It's got everything I want from a platinum game. Fast, mechanically deep gameplay. Cheesy cutscenes and characters.

Few questions:

1. If I drop an upgraded weapon, does it retain it's upgrades if I pick up another copy of it later?
2. Saw some gifs in here of people doing a boost kick, does that overheat you like other melee attacks?
3. Which weapons have alternate firing modes and how do i use them? I saw a gif in here of the LFE gun with a massive projectile.
4. How do I throw the cigarette on kb&m controls?
5. What controls sensitivity when aiming with mounted turrets? It's so damn slow compared to free look and aiming. Kinda wish the sensitivity slider had more room on the lower end also... I have free look set to 1 and it still is slightly faster than I would like to have it. Don't really want to lower the dpi on my mouse because I'll have to modify settings in other games. Playing on 800 dpi atm.
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Mechazawa
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(05-26-2017, 03:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hybris

Few questions:

If I drop an upgraded weapon, does it retain it's upgrades if I pick up another copy of it later?
Saw some gifs in here of people doing a boost kick, does that overheat you like other melee attacks?
Which weapons have alternate firing modes and how do i use them? I saw a gif in here of the LFE gun with a massive projectile.
How do I throw the cigarette on kb&m controls?
What controls sensitivity when aiming with mounted turrets? It's so damn slow compared to free look and aiming. Kinda wish the sensitivity slider had more room on the lower end also... I have free look set to 1 and it still is slightly faster than I would like to have it. Don't really want to lower the dpi on my mouse because I'll have to modify settings in other games. Playing on 800 dpi atm.

1. Yes. However, if you pick up an upgrade for a weapon and die before you hit a checkpoint, you'll lose the upgrade you just picked up.
2. A boost kick depletes your boost gauge like any other melee if it connects with an enemy.
3. Not sure what you mean here. Weapons don't really have alt fires, just the standard fire and the melee(although the disc launcher has a melee that depletes ammo rather than your boost gauge). One of the LFE gifs in the OP has a weapon upgrade, but none of the LFE upgrades make the projectile bigger. Are you sure you're not confusing a bigger FOV with a smaller LFE projectile?
4. Tossing a cigarette is whatever your boost button is mapped to while taking cover.
Mupod
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(05-26-2017, 03:39 PM)
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if you die and want to keep your upgrades just go back to the main menu and reload the checkpoint. Loadtimes are nonexistent in this version so it barely takes any longer. I guess it's cheesing your rating this way too but hey who cares.
sibarraz
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(05-26-2017, 03:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by L.O.R.D

laptop

i7 3630MQ
8GB RAM
GTX 660m 2GB

Go to geforce experience abd check if the game is using the dedicated card graphics or the integrated. Happened to me on Bayonetta
David___
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(05-26-2017, 03:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shredderi

My friend is saying that the game plays a bit too much like Gears of War in his opinion with lots of ducking behind cover with short burst of quick action. Is this true or does my friend suck? It just doesn't seem like the game I've seen in youtube all these years.

Your friend is playing it like a normal shooter.

Vanquish isn't a normal shooter
Hybris
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(05-26-2017, 04:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mechazawa

1. Yes. However, if you pick up an upgrade for a weapon and die before you hit a checkpoint, you'll lose the upgrade you just picked up.
2. A boost kick depletes your boost gauge like any other melee if it connects with an enemy.
3. Not sure what you mean here. Weapons don't really have alt fires, just the standard fire and the melee(although the disc launcher has a melee that depletes ammo rather than your boost gauge). One of the LFE gifs in the OP has a weapon upgrade, but none of the LFE upgrades make the projectile bigger. Are you sure you're not confusing a bigger FOV with a smaller LFE projectile?
4. Tossing a cigarette is whatever your boost button is mapped to while taking cover.

Thanks. Maybe I'm just remembering it wrong. I only fired the gun once or twice.
nynt9
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(05-26-2017, 04:01 PM)
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Does the game not support 21:9? I set my resolution to 3440x1440 but it's still in 16:9 with black bars on the sides. Also enabling subtitles doesn't do anything.
PandaPedinte
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(05-26-2017, 04:03 PM)
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I'm loving the action in this game even though I suck at it lol.
gngf123
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(05-26-2017, 04:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by nynt9

Does the game not support 21:9? I set my resolution to 3440x1440 but it's still in 16:9 with black bars on the sides. Also enabling subtitles doesn't do anything.

Does -unlockaspectratio not help? https://youtu.be/cUYvoKdowJE?t=287
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(05-26-2017, 04:07 PM)
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I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a higher framerate, like 60FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

30FPS


60FPS


Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.
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GavinUK86
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(05-26-2017, 04:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.

Wow, good find! Detective Gaf is on the case. Interesting that the game is more difficult on PC then. Helps that we have mouse aim I suppose though.
L.O.R.D
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(05-26-2017, 04:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by sibarraz

Go to geforce experience abd check if the game is using the dedicated card graphics or the integrated. Happened to me on Bayonetta

i did that,the game was first running using inter card,then changed it to nvidia.
Mechazawa
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(05-26-2017, 04:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

Haha, holy shit that's a huge difference. Inadvertant mouse difficulty setting!
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(05-26-2017, 04:17 PM)
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bah humbug back in MY day you died in one hit and ye liked it
Kids these days





and we didnt have no dang checkpoints neither
mullet2000
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(05-26-2017, 04:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

30FPS


144FPS


Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.

Well, shit.
Grief.exe
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(05-26-2017, 04:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

30FPS


144FPS


Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.

PC gamers want their challenge.

This is actually a common occurrence when you Jerry rig high frame rates.
Parsnip
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(05-26-2017, 04:34 PM)
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I hope they patch that soon, it's probably an easy fix all things considered.
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

30FPS


144FPS


Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.

Holy shit lol that explains a lot. I was thinking this felt way less forgiving than I remember from my 360 playthrough
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Originally Posted by Parsnip

I hope they patch that soon, it's probably an easy fix all things considered.

It took three months for a similar issue with Valkyria Chronicles to be fixed, by the same team that assisted with this port.
The Stig
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(05-26-2017, 04:38 PM)
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Is anyone else having trouble downloading this?

The game downloads 114.3mb then stops........ I've tried deleting it and starting in another drive, restarted steam.........

This is dumb.
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(05-26-2017, 04:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Stig

Is anyone else having trouble downloading this?

The game downloads 114.3mb then stops........ I've tried deleting it and starting in another drive, restarted steam.........

This is dumb.

Try changing your download server from the settings.
mullet2000
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(05-26-2017, 04:42 PM)
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I want to see someone finish challenge 6 at 144hz while the damage taken is still busted
texhnolyze
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(05-26-2017, 04:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.

Wow. So I take it that at 60fps it would activate after 3-4 seconds?

I'll take that as an additional challenge then.
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(05-26-2017, 04:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

30FPS
[IMG]http://abload.de/img/30fpsj2uuj.gif[IMG]

144FPS
[IMG]http://abload.de/img/144fpszgu48.gif[IMG]

Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.

So, how bad is it at 60 FPS? 3-4 seconds?
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(05-26-2017, 04:46 PM)
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I thought I was getting to low health faster than normal. Definitely explains it lol
Danim
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(05-26-2017, 04:47 PM)
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Glad all of my deaths on Normal so far aren't just down to being rusty!
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

30FPS


144FPS


Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.

Well that explains why I remember it being more forgiving when I played Hard mode on the PS3
Mupod
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(05-26-2017, 04:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.

Haha what. This explains a lot actually. I'm playing on hard, average around 100fps and the game definitely feels far less forgiving than I remember. I suppose it works out as mouse aim makes the game easier.
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(05-26-2017, 04:49 PM)

Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

I've tested this multiple times using the AR mode tutorial (the bit where enemies shoot at you a bunch in order to demonstrate auto AR) and you take much more damage when playing at higher framerates. If you lock the framerate to 30FPS AR mode will activate after 6-7 seconds of taking enemy fire but if you're playing at a much higher framerate, like 144FPS, it will activate in just 1-2 seconds.

30FPS


144FPS


Note the number of times Sam staggers.

This can be consistently reproduced.

Good find. I'll post this on the Steam hub so the devs can investigate this and fix it.
Parsnip
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Originally Posted by .:Wesker:.

It took three months for a similar issue with Valkyria Chronicles to be fixed, by the same team that assisted with this port.

I think the VC bug was less severe than this, I could see it being considered a low priority and that's why it took so long. Not because it was difficult.

Obviously I wasn't on the dev team nor do I know the insides of the engine they are using here, it's just a guess. But this seems like a math problem and math is easy.

Gotta think positively.
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One more nitpick. When using a mouse and keyboard and sliding towards the camera, there's some sort of animation bug that prevents Sam from actually looking/aiming behind him as he normally would. This isn't an issue if you pull off the same maneuver with a controller. I'd say it doesn't have an impact on gameplay, but your bullets do seem to be physically shooting out from a different location than normal. And it just looks incredibly silly.

Controller


Mouse


Edit: My mistake, the gif labeled 144FPS was actually running at about 68FPS. I didn't note the drop in framerate from recording with FRAPS. Luckily, the damage seems to stop scaling after 60FPS (it still takes about a second for AR mode to activate whether at 60FPS or 144FPS)
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Originally Posted by Parsnip

I think the VC bug was less severe than this, I could see it being considered a low priority and that's why it took so long. Not because it was difficult.

It was more severe, actually.
Tanks couldn't go up slopes at higher framerates, making some missions unbeatable.
Also, damage you received while under fire was relative to framerate, making machine guns pretty much an instakill.
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Originally Posted by Parsnip

I think the VC bug was less severe than this, I could see it being considered a low priority and that's why it took so long. Not because it was difficult.

Obviously I wasn't on the dev team nor do I know the insides of the engine they are using here, it's just a guess. But this seems like a math problem and math is easy.

Gotta think positively.

Some dude proficient with Cheat Engine should be able to make a hack for 60 and 144fps. Find where player health gets subtracted from player, write script to reduce damage accordingly for higher framerates... maybe it's not that easy but that's what I imagine could be done relatively easy in theory (but who does it?)

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