CrimsonFist
Member
Sophia said ahead of time she wouldn't be around at the end of day, I was around, so not sure how I evaporated.
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Love Boat 2 [Mafia] |OT| Electric Boogalove
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Sophia said ahead of time she wouldn't be around at the end of day, I was around, so not sure how I evaporated.
Sorian doesn't unnecessarily bus teammates and it was started by Fat.
Elaborate a bit more. I don't know *why* you don't like Darryl's arguments.
Muffin1611
Banned
Silencing shot was also a role in Love Boat 1? I was considering if Kark and Xbro were inventing this just now, as Kark is known for his gambits.
Yet you never did place a vote. It's not as if there's some rule that states your vote must occur right near day end.
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
Muffin1611
Banned
You DID jump on the OrbEdge train, after voting kitsune. Why? The two pairs in the running seemed both like equally low-profile to me, while the Kark pair had their shitty gambit to boot.
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
I meant to bold that explanation that my partner Natiko wrote for my explanation.
FOR REALZ:
Vote: Ty4on
FOR REALZ:
Vote: Ty4on
CrimsonFist
Member
I did say that I thought it was a tie, at that point Kitsune wasn't in the running any more. And I wasn't convinced that Kark was scum, he always gambits like that.
???
And as to you, would you say you were an active participant in discussions as the day concluded? Would you say that you demonstrated any real interest in what the day end result would be?
Muffin1611
Banned
But what is worth more, a coasting pair or a coasting pair who admits to coasting intentionally, which is pretty anti-town in the end? I don't see how Orb and Edge are the better choice, they made a few posts here and there at least which didn't involve a gambit that didn't deserve to be called one.
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
I'm going to trust CrimsonSophia for now
I'm just going to put this as nicely as I can, because I'm holding back a bit of anger after what happened that day.
Screw off, Natiko.
I had enough shit to deal with due to my uncle basically screaming and harassing everyone while carrying a bunch of literal junk in the rain as police officers watched on. It wasn't fun, and I would have much rather been here for day's end. The last thing I want to see is you come back and having zero fucking reading comprehension. I told everyone I would be out. Nevermind the fact that I just had a police officer show up to my door this morning accusing us of stealing stuff that we had receipts for.
Besides, Crimson was here, as reading the final page of the thread for that day shows.
Sorry I couldn't fucking vote like I intended to. Real life got in the way.
I had town read them much earlier and said beforehand I wasn't able to be as active as usual. I had to sneak out with my phone. I wanted to push kitsune, but nobody really bit it apart from Crimson.
Not knowing the votes also didn't help. I was surprised to see Worthy that far in the lead.
CrimsonFist
Member
A lot of it felt like Darryl was defending his fairly lacklustre contributions, then it ended up derailing a lot of the day.
I also made a post yesterday about it, which Darryl ignored to continue fighting with Sorian, considering how defensive he'd been it seemed interesting that he was only interested in fighting Sorian about it.
Royal_Flush
Member
Now that that is out of the way: wtf were you thinking?!
Where did this shitshow start? Let's make a timeline for easier analysis. "The score" is Orb/TWE vs. Kark/XBro
688:
Sorian with a more or less prod vote to TWE is the first to have a vote on the pair. Fine, not really relevant for the analysis imo.
-> 1
Doesn't matter yet)
954:
Somewhere later comes dragonz. It's an argument I disagreed with (as I noted earlier that just looked like inexperienced newbie to me). On its own not really relevant, but will provide context later on.
-> 2Doesn't matter yet)
1021, 1206:
Interlude: Karkador acquires a couple of votes (Ouro, Fireblend) for wasting everybody's time)
-> 2:2
1268, 1352:
Sorian jumps from Worm onto the Kark train and away again.
-> 1:2
1436, 1504, 1531:
Now it starts getting interesting. Myself, Muffin and Darryl vote for Kark
-> 1:5
1532:
Dr. Worm votes for Orb and apologizes in the same post for not taking greater risks.
-> 2:5
1535:
Samuraischnecke votes Kark
-> 2:6
1567:
Kingkitty votes for Orb following his readslist where he put the pair as scummy.
->3:6
1579:
Darryl jumps ship again for kits who at this point has 2 votes (Darryl is the third)
-> 3:5
1582:
Sorian votes for Orb "to create a horserace". Note that there is a chance he hadn't seen Darryl's new vote yet and thinks it's still 2:5. Only one minute between the posts.
->4:5
1595:
Muffin changes his vote to Darryl, who then has 3 votes.
-> 4:4
1598:
Verelios makes the first vote of the dayphase on Orb, following his lover. No own argumets.
->5:4
1605:
Crimsonfist wants to prevent a tie (he didn't need to) and votes for Orb
->6:4
1613:
Ouro (unnecessarily) wants to prevent a tie and jumps from Kark to Orb.
->7:3
1617:
XBro jumps without comment on Orb. Can't blame him , though, as he himself was the other option.
->8:3
1619:
Muffin wants to swing back to Kark (came from Darryl)
->8:4
1630:
TWE jumps onto Kark without comment. Again, can't blame him.
->8:5
(Dayend)
Notably absent in the whole exchange: Karkador with a parked vote and Orb with no vote at all.
Where did this shitshow start? Let's make a timeline for easier analysis. "The score" is Orb/TWE vs. Kark/XBro
688:
Sorian with a more or less prod vote to TWE is the first to have a vote on the pair. Fine, not really relevant for the analysis imo.
-> 1
Doesn't matter yet)954:
Somewhere later comes dragonz. It's an argument I disagreed with (as I noted earlier that just looked like inexperienced newbie to me). On its own not really relevant, but will provide context later on.
-> 2
Doesn't matter yet)1021, 1206:
Interlude: Karkador acquires a couple of votes (Ouro, Fireblend) for wasting everybody's time)
-> 2:2
1268, 1352:
Sorian jumps from Worm onto the Kark train and away again.
-> 1:2
1436, 1504, 1531:
Now it starts getting interesting. Myself, Muffin and Darryl vote for Kark
-> 1:5
1532:
Dr. Worm votes for Orb and apologizes in the same post for not taking greater risks.
-> 2:5
1535:
Samuraischnecke votes Kark
-> 2:6
1567:
Kingkitty votes for Orb following his readslist where he put the pair as scummy.
->3:6
1579:
Darryl jumps ship again for kits who at this point has 2 votes (Darryl is the third)
-> 3:5
1582:
Sorian votes for Orb "to create a horserace". Note that there is a chance he hadn't seen Darryl's new vote yet and thinks it's still 2:5. Only one minute between the posts.
->4:5
1595:
Muffin changes his vote to Darryl, who then has 3 votes.
-> 4:4
1598:
Verelios makes the first vote of the dayphase on Orb, following his lover. No own argumets.
->5:4
1605:
Crimsonfist wants to prevent a tie (he didn't need to) and votes for Orb
->6:4
1613:
Ouro (unnecessarily) wants to prevent a tie and jumps from Kark to Orb.
->7:3
1617:
XBro jumps without comment on Orb. Can't blame him , though, as he himself was the other option.
->8:3
1619:
Muffin wants to swing back to Kark (came from Darryl)
->8:4
1630:
TWE jumps onto Kark without comment. Again, can't blame him.
->8:5
(Dayend)
Notably absent in the whole exchange: Karkador with a parked vote and Orb with no vote at all.
Please tell me where I said you should have been around at the final moment? Please tell me where I brought activities outside of this thread into the discussion? You made your post saying you would not be around for day end. I'm not arguing against that. I'm asking why you didn't bother to vote in that post or the subsequent posts you made at the time. This has nothing to do with strictly the final few hours of the game.
Because she wanted to do it later but couldn't
Because putting down a vote prematurely when I'm not there for the day end and/or would have difficulty in moving (due to being on mobile) it could have caused a problem.
Muffin1611
Banned
Natiko, I think you should stop with this. It's understandable that Sophia might have thought she would have had time for a quick look and vote that day and ended up not having that time. Let's not get too much into RL stuff here. Accept it.
@Royal
Pretty good post, Crimsons and Worms votes are itching me a bit.
@Royal
Pretty good post, Crimsons and Worms votes are itching me a bit.
I just want to make it clear that I woke up in the middle of this whole Fat4all/darylll/sorian thing, read through it and thought it was just them overreacting. Even after Daryll said openly in this very thread that I should not contribute, I posted ( yet nothing worthwhile or even remotely interesting ) Daryll even pointed that out by quoting me , yet he was shut down by sorian.
Just to be clear about it.
He said I should not dive into this shit discussion that they were having.
I followed suit and made a post about something completely unrelated.
After that I was mia and it has NOTHING to do with Daryll telling me not to contribute.
Me being a non entity on D1 was something personal. I regret it and I am here to take in the responsibility for it.
How good of a track did you have of the votes? You moved back when I didn't know who was in the lead.
Muffin1611
Banned
Really not a good track. I didn't think the Orb train would pick up so fast, and when I switched back I thought Orbs lynch was still one or two votes under the Kark train.
I never asked to bring real life into this, she did. I didn't say she should be here day end. I asked why she never once bothered to vote with the posts she DID make. It's not my fault she decided to bring such topics up when she instead could have led with the explanation she just gave instead. But fine
Unvote
My bad for mind controlling her into bringing up outside activity. Sophia must be town though, because if anyone was scum and threw a tantrum like that then they would effectively be undermining the game by pleading for a pass due to reasons outside of this thread.
Whatever 'favors' I'm doing is superflous. It's an entirely subjective argument. You can't just say I don't like thing because thing is bad. That's a nonsense answer.
Okay, so first post was me explaining my thought process, second post was again an explanation and third I was asking an actual question. Where is the nothing? When I think of nothing I think of shit posts/fluff and coasting. Where am I not interacting here?
Ant then the supervillain comes through again: 1, 2. Especially the first one is like "You're such a fascinating creature, ty. I'm curious why you would make such an odd move. What are you going to tell them?"
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What does Supervillain here mean? Where are you getting this? How is any of this particularly sinister? And in the post itself I explain why I think it's an odd move. Because it isn't bad to admit a shit post is a shitpost.
So...if it's such an easy thing to do then why didn't you take over? You're not interested in why Kark spent all of last day on a Gambit and barely interacted with the thread. You don't find that significant?
Be honest Flush, my pair connections are different from early day 1 to late day 1. That's how I look for scum. If you're going to say this then please refute my posts.
In any case, I didn't feel like Kark was a good case for yesterday only witg being absent against him (and a failed gambit) while Dragon had made a good case against Orb earlier. They were the two viable candidates at that time, so why wouldn't I got with Orb?
I feel like your conclusion is what you're trying to get at here. You don't like me and are working backwards to explain why I could be suspicious instead of finding me suspicious. Hell, four pages into the thread you even said I made odd posts and I don't think I had ten posts at that time.
Royal_Flush
Member
1. My posts so far in this game have absolute no influence on the validity of my future posts.
2. I stated several times yesterday that your posts ring my alarm bells. There is no rational arguments to be made for gut feelings. I tried to explain them as good and vividly as I could. I now have to let other people (notably not you) decide whether there is something to my gutfeeling or if I'm just in general allergic to your posting style.
3. I also pointed out (and this is not a feeling but fact) that you're not that much above average in terms of posting quality as some people seem to think.
Don't do this.
I've said my piece. I hope everything going on with her and her family works out, truly. The topic is done.
Mafia have just as much of a right to use real life excuses as town does. It's not alignment indicative.
flatearthpandas
Member
I missed day end because of real life shit as well and ended up with no vote. It happens. We're on honor system with real life excuses, so try and be cool when they come up. Nothing to do with scum or town. I see what it seems like you're trying to get at, why did she never once vote in four days, but are you arguing that it is scummy to hold a vote until the end of the phase? You can make that argument while still accepting that she meant to vote last day and couldn't.
I told kits already for me, but I found out I was fired last day phase and made the choice to go drinking instead of keep up with the thread. I'm over it so go ahead and throw shade this way if missing day end is nagging anyone.
Anything I say to this is going to come across hostile so I'll repeat, the topic is done - at least on my end.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Sorry I forgot this was today
Hello
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Royal_Flush
Member
I think I have a dejavu. Didn't we argue in a similar manner in some previous game already? Have you been Town back then? I don't remember.
My definition of "nothing" is generalities. Nothings may be interactive but they're usually soft and obvious follow-ups. Easy posts that Scum could make to fake meaningful interactions. If you should flip Scum we get nothing from those posts. The opposite of "nothings" are posts that directly confront people or contain deeper analysis. With these posts one can often draw conclusion about the relationship between the two parties if one of them flips Scum. Shitposts are "shitposts" in my language.
You know these cartoons from your childhood? Where the villain has a plan and uses the heroes as his pawns. That's the person I imagine behind these posts. The strict content of the post isn't really damning. Gut-feeling, non-rational. I admitted that from the start.
I voted for Kark the moment I finished reading the bunch of pages that contained his glorious reveal. All relevant questions were asked at that point.
But this only works in retrospect once one of the parties flips Scum, right? Or am I missing something about your method? Anyway, I didn't think that's a particular Scummy method, more a remarkable approach. I'm open to be convinced of the methods value.
You are suspicious to me because you invoke a certain gut-feeling and because of dragonz. You are probably around average (or slightly above) in terms of valuable contribution. Just not some master contributor that on its own makes your boat untouchable.
It's not superfluous, it's shady. Ad hominem attacks (I.E. "You're full of shit Royal") are mafia tactics. It reeked of not having a counter-argument, but still needing to get a word in.
This literally does make you a hypocrite though when you retroactively call my posts shit. I've been playing the game to find scum, not to throw up a list of posts and gladiator ring people into finding problems with them.
Did you ever discuss kitsune?
While I would totally understand why you would vote me, can I get at least some more info ?
Or is it me being a total nin entity on D1.
Royal_Flush
Member
Being a hypocrite would involve that I think I would be above the things I'm pointing out. I have enough self-awareness to know that I haven't been the most useful person around in D1, thanks. Also not the most useless. Probably somewhere around average or slightly below, but that's another story. Not being better than somebody doesn't revoke my right to point out flaws in that person's posts.
Also, even I were a hypocrite it wouldn't mean that my arguments are invalid. Just because I have no clue how to play the guitar doesn't mean I have no right to say that a certain guitar solo is uninspired.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Honestly I have no idea what you're trying to argue here but it reeks of trying too hard
Looking for your thoughts on everything
I made a counter argument after that post, I just didn't feel it warranted a response. And I would make that same argument Mafia or town because some arguments are nonsense.
Yes, that happened. Town/town thunderdome but eh.
You can't just call those posts generalities. Asking a follow up question isn't vapid. Those 'follow up questions' are a part of a larger thread of conversation so if you can't derive something from them then that's on you. It's not a difference in language, it's a difference in value.
What I'm trying to say is that's entirely nonsense. From page 4 you've had a preconditioned notion about me and set along on that track. It seems like you haven't strayed from it all game.
And that isn't an easy vote? Do you think Kark is actually scum or did you vote him because of him being missing?
The entire point of the game is that the only person's alignment you're sure of is you and your partners. Everyone else is a blank slate so of course it all works retroactively.
I vaguely doubt this. A gut feeling? And I somehow think you only mentioned Dragonz as an addendum while I can't help but think this is a pretty pointed attack.
Other than alignment leanings? Not really.
I never said your arguments were invalid because of your posting quality. I said they were nonsense because they were illogical and supported by semantics. I could pull up a post of yours and derive any meaning I wanted from it, but it wouldn't be accurate because it's bias.
You literally just insinuate this.
How is that not an attack on his posting quality?
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
Ty4on what are your reads
Royal_Flush
Member
The replies I didn't quote I don't think I can add anything of worth.
Maybe you're right. And somebody of course has to ask these questions. But doing so is terribly NAI for both parties that it's a nothing in a post-death analysis. scum can do this with literally zero risk of giving Town post-death info. That's my point. Your point is (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that furthering more harmless conversation is valuable at the moment. I don't think the two points are in strict disagreement, we just value them differently.
Kark was an easy vote, no doubt. I also gave a full list of people I'd be willing to vote later that day. I voted him because at this rate he was dead weight, XBro didn't stand out for making particulary good content and I lost too many games to coasters to not go after low-quantity-low-quality player as early as possible. Because you will just overlook them later on. With Kark's calculated D1 gambits it's almost impossible to deduce his alignment.
During D1 I noticed how several people explicitly didn't vote for dragonz because of you. You are a team. How one party perform directly influences how likely I am to vote for the other party because I can only vote for both. So yes, dragonz not doing much is an attack. But several people made it before me and I don't think I need to convince anybody of it anymore. So of course I focused on the party I seem(ed?) to be the only one to have a bad gut-feeling about.
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