I mean, I think maybe the 5 most consequential people in the league (LeBron/KD/Steph/Pop/Kerr) regularly telling Trump to go fuck himself carries more weight re: where things stand than an unemployed backup QB (though given his marginal status, it obviously took more risk/courage on Kap's part). The two leagues are simply worlds apart socio-politically. This isn't really arguable. Kneeling is ultimately just a symbolic proxy for "America, what the fuck." Pop, who is very white and very much part of the NBA's power structure, does that in very literal terms and he is celebrated for it. That is basically incomprehensible in the NFL.
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Trump takes shots at Kaepernick, Get that son of a bitch off the field
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I mean, I think maybe the 5 most consequential people in the league (LeBron/KD/Steph/Pop/Kerr) regularly telling Trump to go fuck himself carries more weight re: where things stand than an unemployed backup QB (though given his marginal status, it obviously took more risk/courage on Kap's part). The two leagues are simply worlds apart socio-politically. This isn't really arguable. Kneeling is ultimately just a symbolic proxy for "America, what the fuck." Pop, who is very white and very much part of the NBA's power structure, does that in very literal terms and he is celebrated for it. That is basically incomprehensible in the NFL.
Basileus777
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Yes, I said 0. And then expressed another sentence of thought. This isn't difficult. That you are continuing on this wacky crusade is befuddling.
He's not even a real President. He's like some kind of art project collectively put on in protest by the majority of stupid, clueless white people.
I have trouble reconciling his symbolic what the fuck with his actual equating of Trump to Hillary.
lol so is it the "0." or the comma. You fucking said:
Basileus777
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I've already responded to this. If you've nothing else to offer other than this attempt to gaslight me, than I'm done with you.
I was just trying to understand why you used the NBA as an example of why every player won't kneel when literally not even one player in the NBA knelt last season. It's like you just assumed because there are more black people they all must be kneeling. It was weird. As someone that watches the NBA every night, I want to make you aware that's a bad comparison since NBA players haven't been kneeling.
PingPongvonLaserstein
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Looks like he at least knows some of them. Maybe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVYFaf9f8_s
Notice also how he very respectfully rocks and bounces in place, looks everywhere but where I assume the flag is (based on the gazes of the others on the stage), and starts drumming on his chest. He's about as reverent as an antsy toddler.
shinra-bansho
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Modern presidential.
Basileus777
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This conversation might have gone somewhere if you had started with this instead of doing whatever it was you were doing. I know NBA players weren't kneeling, but NBA players are different demographically other than just race and there isn't the same contingent of conservative/racist white Americans that are on NFL teams. As I stated earlier it's not difficult to imagine a NBA team collectively doing something in protest to Trump, but that is not going to happen in the NFL.
Teams are also 15 people, not 53. Much easier to get 15 people to agree on something. Some teams don't even keep a 15 man roster. But yes, 15 x 30 is much less than 53 x 32 so it would theoretically be more likely get an NBA team to do something in unison. And that is how I started. I just thought it was ill informed to use NBA players as an example of kneeling in unison when none have knelt. The NFL is ~70% black, though. So if we have ~25-30% white players, imagine ~35-50% of them are Trump supporters. It's really just a numbers game. There are more people so of course there are more Trump supporters.
There is a weird culture among coaches and owners in the NFL that seems overtly Trump, but I could just be judging based on looks since I don't really know many coordinator's or coach's personalities.
I just checked, 74% of NBA players are black. So statistically insignificant from the percentage of black players in the NFL. It's just there are more people overall. I think that's what makes unison more difficult. Not that the NFL players are inherently more racist. Imagine if the NBA had more players, we'd get more people like Spencer Hawes (ewww).
It's almost as if Kaepernick's violation of a single social norm brought attention to a huge issue in this country.
All this Nazi fuck shit. I haven't heard much out of the Jewish community. Maybe Im not looking hard enough, or maybe they know these dipshits aint really about that life
I don't know whats more absurd, him saying this or him saying that we need a transparent wall because drug smugglers have catapults and they'll fling drugs over that'll bean someone in the fuckin' head like a gag in a Seth Rogen/James Franco stoner comedy.
I'm starting to think his plan is to eventually claim that either
A) The wall was metaphorical
B) That the wall is so transparent that it is practically invisible, oh and you can walk through it because it doesn't fucking exist.
Someone really needs to get him and his priorities in check. He spends the week throwing himself jerk off rallies where he spews shit all over white, bigoted america and those that voted against themselves, then on the weekends he plays golf. It's like a huge PR tour, but the PR is all negative.
I'm starting to think his plan is to eventually claim that either
A) The wall was metaphorical
B) That the wall is so transparent that it is practically invisible, oh and you can walk through it because it doesn't fucking exist.
Someone really needs to get him and his priorities in check. He spends the week throwing himself jerk off rallies where he spews shit all over white, bigoted america and those that voted against themselves, then on the weekends he plays golf. It's like a huge PR tour, but the PR is all negative.
Shamrock7r
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Seeing some comments at some of the sports sites in response to this reminds me why I have slowly and slowly lost interest in the NFL. Some aspects of its culture and fans are just terrible, and Trump's comments are just an embodiment of those terrible aspects.
Dude his original comment was just a reference to the NBA being far more progressive and liberal leaning than the NFL. Why are you so hung up on this?
Dude his original comment was just a reference to the NBA being far more progressive and liberal leaning than the NFL. Why are you so hung up on this?
Because I think it's an easy thing to say but not factually accurate. That's why. Donald Sterling was an owner. He would still be if not for recordings.
CountAntonius
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When he speaks it's like a bad wrestling heel promo. It's unreal.
Pathetic.
Even Michael Vick got another chance. Yeah, it's straight up, hypocritical bullshit.
MugiwaraCole
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This doesn't make any sense. Every single one of the black players kneeling doesn't effect their ability to still be professional athletes. They're not gonna cut them all if they all stand together. It just isn't going to happen.
We have so much power, and just...ugh.
Dude. You read into it wrong. Literally everyone else here understands what he's saying. The NBA is full of players that are encouraged to take part in social activism, and the ratio of black players to others is higher than it is in the NFL. There is a therefore a much higher hence of every NBA player kneeling than every NFL player. The biggest stars in the NBA routinely getting in front of cameras and calling Trump a dickhead while some of the biggest names in football keep telling Kaep to shut up and play ball is all you really need to point to here.
You're wrong. It's ok. Really.
DasPenguin
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NBA is so progressive and liberal, that the only guy who openly protested the flag got blackballed out of the league. And that player was in his prime at the time. Going from 19/8 to riding the bench in Sacramento behind scrubs and then getting kicked out was not a good look for the NBA.
theignoramus
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The league is in a different place since the Stern years.
In a sane world Trump would have already destroyed any credibility the GOP had for the next generation. But man are GOP voters stupid, so they're probably eating this up.
On a side note, I am not the least bit surprised that the racist cartoon of a president veered off into criticizing black guys exercising one of their basic freedoms, something we typically applaud in the US (protest in the name of freedom and justice).
On a side note, I am not the least bit surprised that the racist cartoon of a president veered off into criticizing black guys exercising one of their basic freedoms, something we typically applaud in the US (protest in the name of freedom and justice).
SlipperyFishes
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Bastard news cycle shuts down over the weekend so I expect a Monday morning rush
DasPenguin
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Well, let's have a borderline all star player who is also a muslim sit down during the anthem and we'll see how much things have changed. Something tells me not that much. There would be enough outside pressure that the player would have a hard time finding a team after his contract ran out.
And to be fair Mahmoud started having issues with the Nuggets the second he changed his name and way before the flag incident. Every time the Nuggets had a losing streak they would bench him for few games, but somehow Bryant Stith was always in the lineup. If you could measure basketball IQ with some test I'm sure Stith would be the first person ever with a zero score. He made Nuggets games unwatchable, no matter how good the team was playing.
Regulus Tera
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This is the guy that was caught on tape bragging about sexual assault. You should be more concerned on the suggestion that people who exercise 1st Amendment rights should be ostracised.
DontBeThatGuy
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Since nothing actually matters anymore, this is pure read meat that will be a net positive for him.
IrishNinja
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spot-on, all that needs to be said
when "both sides" of a nazi rally that kills someone are good people but colin is the devil, you're bypassing generations of GOP dog whistling to put your white supremacist views out there on front street, and it's not by accident
related: everyone here should read ta-nehesi coates' "donald trump: the first white president
SolarPowered
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The office of the president loses more and more prestige with each passing day. People just can't keep their outrage levels that high without losing their minds, so they lower their expectations.
Messofanego
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Pretty much.
Messofanego
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Mom Kaepernick
NHarmonic.
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Palette Swap
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The JCPA has been pretty vocal AFAIK. So yeah, I think its a case of not looking hard enough honestly.
GrizzleBoy
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The President of the United States of America:
-Doesnt call out the KKK and Nazis at his rallies after their racially motivated violence and murder.
-Calls people silently protesting against brutality and racism in the police force "sons of bitches".
How historically American. Definitely looking "great again".
-Doesnt call out the KKK and Nazis at his rallies after their racially motivated violence and murder.
-Calls people silently protesting against brutality and racism in the police force "sons of bitches".
How historically American. Definitely looking "great again".
The NFL has always been more of a plantation than the NBA. A lot more guys who are from backgrounds where despite being black, believe in white supremacy, grilled into them by white coaches from the time they were small. Want a quick look into how this works? Jonathan Martin. Here you had a black guy who wasn't "black" enough, and when bigoted Richie Incognito came after him because he was too "uppity", the black players sided with Incognito.
Look at how the Redskins players refused to play for RG3 but played their butts off for Kirk Cousins.
The NFL is taking its stand and it is standing with white supremacy by blackballing Kaepernick. That next CBA is going to be really interesting.
joeyjoejoeshabadoo
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Is he fucking dancing to the national anthem?
BrassDragon
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'Get that son of a bitch off the field' should be a banner in Bob Mueller's office.
Discotheque
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ehh I don't think the content of his words was a problem (Obama called Kanye a jackass just a few years ago), it was why he said it (to put down what Kaepernick was standing...kneeling for) that is the huge issue here.