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joat217
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(09-27-2011, 07:55 PM)
I just realized something, are we going to play the gears graphic novel for the dlc?

Thats Michael Barrick from the first gn, what Gears 3 did was bring in all the expandid universe for this moment in game. I mean we have Jace and he was there too.
claviertekky
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(09-27-2011, 07:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

$45 weapon skins and cut single player portions to sell later as DLC.

I can't support a company that does that.

The multiplayer is also severely lacking in "fun-factor". Maybe I've just had my fill of Gears, but I really loved the first two (minus the net code for the 2nd).

Yet, you support the Call of Duty series, so your argument goes out the window.

You didn't even buy the game! How can you judge multiplayer?

You're ridiculous.
zewone
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(09-27-2011, 08:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by claviertekky

Yet, you support the Call of Duty series, so your argument goes out the window.

You didn't even buy the game! How can you judge multiplayer?

You're ridiculous.

Yeah, I forgot rental copies don't include multi,.

If I hadn't mentioned I didn't buy the game, does that change the shitty story?

I'll go buy the game right now after work if that makes the game any more comprehensible.

When did CoD sell me single player segments or gun skins?

You're ridiculous.
claviertekky
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(09-27-2011, 08:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

Yeah, I forgot rental copies don't include multi,.

If I hadn't mentioned I didn't buy the game, does that change the shitty story?

I'll go buy the game right now after work if that makes the game any more comprehensible.

You're ridiculous.

How does that change the fact that you support other franchises that sell content ways you find unethical?
K' Dash
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(09-27-2011, 08:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

Yeah, I forgot rental copies don't include multi,.

If I hadn't mentioned I didn't buy the game, does that change the shitty story?

I'll go buy the game right now after work if that makes the game any more comprehensible.

You're ridiculous.

If you're not interested in the game, why are you even here?
Seth Balmore
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(09-27-2011, 08:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by luxarific

I'm sure it'll be covered in next year's Gears novel. Having finished Gears 3, I think reading the novels are basically a prerequisite to understanding all the new characters in the game. Really wish we could have seen Michaelson (the captain of the aircraft carrier/head of the COG navy) or Trescu - their roles are huge in the books (bigger than Sam's and Jace's for sure).

I know I know :) I can't wait for The Slab! I've been religiously purchasing and reading every novel to date. Traviss understands and handles the Gears universe fantastically.
CliffyB
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(09-27-2011, 08:11 PM)
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Regarding the ending, we had that discussion about how it should play out. I wouldn't have the whole "the queen reaches for a weapon after Marcus says 'you're not worth it' moment that's in every bad movie." Marcus is a broken man and has always had a good side and a bad side. She needed to be killed, straight up, in a stone cold manner, with Dom's knife.

And no, the entire story isn't black and white. The Locust were being driven from the underground because of the Lambent infection which Adam failed to stop in time.
Proelite
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(09-27-2011, 08:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

When did CoD sell me single player segments or gun skins?

Considering Gears 3's campaign is longer than COD4 + Modern Warfare 2 put together, I think Activision probably should start selling single player segments.

I am guessing you also hate Valve for selling episodes 1 +2, Bestheda for their SP dlc, Rockstar for the sp dlc, etc.
CliffyB
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(09-27-2011, 08:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by joat217

I just realized something, are we going to play the gears graphic novel for the dlc?

Thats Michael Barrick from the first gn, what Gears 3 did was bring in all the expandid universe for this moment in game. I mean we have Jace and he was there too.

No, it won't be the graphic novel, but it will have all new campaign content that doesn't have Marcus, Dom, Cole and Baird in it. Expect Barrick and more...
Grisby
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(09-27-2011, 08:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Seth Balmore

I know I know :) I can't wait for The Slab! I've been religiously purchasing and reading every novel to date. Traviss understands and handles the Gears universe fantastically.

The only problem I think is that there is was just too much to do in a final Gear game. Loved the added dialog and stuff Traviss brought to the table.
CliffyB
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(09-27-2011, 08:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Proelite

Considering Gears 3's campaign is longer than COD4 + Modern Warfare 2 put together, I think Activision probably should start selling single player segments.

I am guessing you also hate Valve for selling episodes 1 +2, Bestheda for their SP dlc, Rockstar for the sp dlc, etc.

No offense to any other game, but we also have 4p co-op in the main campaign, which seems to be rare these days. Plus arcade mode and mutators.
LiK
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(09-27-2011, 08:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

Regarding the ending, we had that discussion about how it should play out. I wouldn't have the whole "the queen reaches for a weapon after Marcus says 'you're not worth it' moment that's in every bad movie." Marcus is a broken man and has always had a good side and a bad side. She needed to be killed, straight up, in a stone cold manner, with Dom's knife.

And no, the entire story isn't black and white. The Locust were being driven from the underground because of the Lambent infection which Adam failed to stop in time.

Oh, that was Dom's knife? That flew over my head. Thanks for pointing that out.
Kimosabae
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(09-27-2011, 08:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kusagari

Cole is basically a modern day athlete ramped up to 11 and put into a shooter. He's clearly based on people like Money Mayweather and Bart Scott. The fact people find that 'racist' or insensitive is hilarious to me. He's exaggerated just like 99% of characters in shooters.


Wait a minute, so a conscious interpretation of influential, black icons in a society are put into a character form that doesn't adequately represent the population of the race said character represents - and is highly caricaturized to fit an ideal that a lot blacks feel pigeon-holed into due to historical circumstances to boot... and it confuses you blacks are at least annoyed by this?

In America, who cares about exaggerated White-Europeans? They've set the status quo - there's no such thing.

I don't want to come across as offended, here, I'm just saying there's a legit commentary to be sensitive to regarding Coletrain, and people are being dull, in more ways than one, by trying to pretend there isn't an issue with his character.
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Grisby
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(09-27-2011, 08:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by LiK

Oh, that was Dom's knife? That flew over my head. Thanks for pointing that out.

Yeah, me too. That ending's a bit sweeter now.

Also, I didn't recognize the above pictured guy. The Gears GN's are the only pieces of fiction I haven't touched yet. Gonna get on that soon.
zewone
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(09-27-2011, 08:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by claviertekky

How does that change the fact that you support other franchises that sell content ways you find unethical?

What did I find unethical? I don't have a problem with MP based games selling map packs down the line. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

And I didn't come here to cause a stir. I beat the game last night on Hardcore. I came here hoping that like minded people were just as upset as I was regarding the way the trilogy ended.

I didn't come here to discuss the DLC prices Epic is trying to charge. It was brought up because I mentioned that I was glad I didn't invest in it because I was really let down.

If no one else feels the same way as I do, then this will be my last post in this thread and you can all continue doing whatever is was going on before I posted here.
sixteen-bit
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(09-27-2011, 08:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by LiK

Oh, that was Dom's knife? That flew over my head. Thanks for pointing that out.

Yeah, he gave it to Marcus in an earlier cutscene and didn't ask for it back.
Seth Balmore
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(09-27-2011, 08:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

No, it won't be the graphic novel, but it will have all new campaign content that doesn't have Marcus, Dom, Cole and Baird in it. Expect Barrick and more...

Sweet! Thanks for the heads up Cliff. I love Delta but I really want to see you guys explore other characters in the franchise with Gears 3, not just with Karen's books and comics. :)
zewone
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(09-27-2011, 08:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

What did I find unethical? I don't have a problem with MP based games selling map packs down the line. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

And I didn't come here to cause a stir. I beat the game last night on Hardcore. I came here hoping that like minded people were just as upset as I was regarding the way the trilogy ended.

I didn't come here to discuss the DLC prices Epic is trying to charge. It was brought up because I mentioned that I was glad I didn't invest in it because I was really let down.

If no one else feels the same way as I do, then this will be my last post in this thread and you can all continue doing whatever is was going on before I posted here.

I was also hoping for some answers to the questions I had.
TheOddOne
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(09-27-2011, 08:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

No, it won't be the graphic novel, but it will have all new campaign content that doesn't have Marcus, Dom, Cole and Baird in it. Expect Barrick and more...

Take my money Mr. Jazz Jackrabbit.
Proelite
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(09-27-2011, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

What did I find unethical? I don't have a problem with MP based games selling map packs down the line. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

And I didn't come here to cause a stir. I beat the game last night on Hardcore. I came here hoping that like minded people were just as upset as I was regarding the way the trilogy ended.

I didn't come here to discuss the DLC prices Epic is trying to charge. It was brought up because I mentioned that I was glad I didn't invest in it because I was really let down.

If no one else feels the same way as I do, then this will be my last post in this thread and you can all continue doing whatever is was going on before I posted here.

Originally Posted by zewone

OH WAIT! I know! We'll find out in the overpriced DLC that was purposely left out of the game to sell to us later?

You probably shouldn't have said this then.
zewone
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(09-27-2011, 08:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Proelite

You probably shouldn't have said this then.

You're probably right. That wasn't my main concern.
SomewhatGroovy
(09-27-2011, 08:31 PM)
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CliffyB,

I was almost certain DLC would cover more of what Cole and Baird saw when the team was split up. I still do not understand why we did not see more of the original four together. Can you go into that? Afterall, it was they who launched this whole story.
K' Dash
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(09-27-2011, 08:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

No offense to any other game, but we also have 4p co-op in the main campaign, which seems to be rare these days. Plus arcade mode and mutators.

Fuck yesss, I've been having a fucking awesome time playing 4 player campaign with gaffers, just amazing, GOW3 is the best bang for you buck in a AAA release since I can remember.

I just want to know one thing and one thing only Cliffy, are we gonna see more from Cole/Baird/Carmine in DLC form?

Please say Yes.
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(09-27-2011, 08:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

No offense to any other game, but we also have 4p co-op in the main campaign, which seems to be rare these days. Plus arcade mode and mutators.

Yeah, lots of replay value. You guys did a terrific job; hope it sells a lot.
TheOddOne
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(09-27-2011, 08:35 PM)
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I have a weird effection for Jace, so if there is any story related DLC with him then insta-buy.
SomewhatGroovy
(09-27-2011, 08:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Meisadragon

Yeah, lots of replay value. You guys did a terrific job; hope it sells a lot.

Agreed. Just keep the "emotion" out of it or use some much needed funds to hire some professional writers.
LiK
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(09-27-2011, 08:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by _dementia

Yeah, he gave it to Marcus in an earlier cutscene and didn't ask for it back.

Man, not sure how you remembered. After all those explosions and battles, I forgot about it completely.

Originally Posted by Anabuhabkuss

Agreed. Just keep the "emotion" out of it or use some much needed funds to hire some professional writers.

uh, they actually hired a professional writer for Gears 3.
SomewhatGroovy
(09-27-2011, 08:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by LiK

Man, not sure how you remembered. After all those explosions and battles, I forgot about it completely.

Have you forgotten what playing through Catherine was like after all those explosions and battles? :)
watership
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(09-27-2011, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by MCXC Pioneer

Coletrain's racial sterotype used to bother me in the first two games but I've become desensitized by now. Still, shame on you Cliff.

This is the funnies thing i've read all day. Well done.
LyleLanley
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(09-27-2011, 08:39 PM)
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Just finished the game. It was fun but I wasn't a fan of the story. The whole series has, at least to me, felt like a bro-fest where you expect the main characters to high five each other and drink beer constantly so things like Doms death came of weak and a bit forced. I pretty much didn't care about his death once it happened. Also, as has already been mentioned the submarine fuel plot was a bit ridiculous.
K' Dash
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(09-27-2011, 08:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by LiK

Man, not sure how you remembered. After all those explosions and battles, I forgot about it completely.

In Mercy Marcus was trying to flip a switch that was stuck, then Dom hadled him the knife, when he flips it, he turns to Dom to give it back but Dom was on the other side of the room with the other switch, so he keeps the knife with him.
Proelite
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(09-27-2011, 08:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

No offense to any other game, but we also have 4p co-op in the main campaign, which seems to be rare these days. Plus arcade mode and mutators.

Mostly importantly jump in and out co-op that's open to the public. That's pretty much non-existent in games besides Gears. I hate Halo Reach's way of doing co-op.

One small thing that bothers me is the ability for players to choose between creating and joining a public co-op session. I think it would have been smarter for the server to decide that so that it works better when the user base for campaign dwindles in the future.
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LiK
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(09-27-2011, 08:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by K' Dash

In Mercy Marcus was trying to flip a switch that was stuck, then Dom hadled him the knife, when he flips it, he turns to Dom to give it back but Dom was on the other side of the room with the other switch, so he keeps the knife with him.

Yea, didn't stick with me. Especially after all various epic battles towards the end.
Phonomezer
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(09-27-2011, 08:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

No, it won't be the graphic novel, but it will have all new campaign content that doesn't have Marcus, Dom, Cole and Baird in it. Expect Barrick and more...

Have you guys toyed with the idea of pre-E-Day or E-Day DLC?
Proelite
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(09-27-2011, 08:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Phonomezer

Have you guys toyed with the idea of pre-E-Day or E-Day DLC?

Mech battles?
sixteen-bit
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(09-27-2011, 08:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Proelite

Mech battles?

Mecha and Gears?

You're tugging my heart strings.

That said, more Silverback DLC pls, hahahaha
SomewhatGroovy
(09-27-2011, 08:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by LiK

uh, they actually hired a professional writer for Gears 3.

A GOOD professional writer. Maybe I should reconsider my words. Karen has been at this for awhile that I can't believe that this was entirely her doing. It could be a combination of the set-up (or a lack thereof) from the first two games that made the job more difficult (still not an excuse) or things were cut.

Still, it's mentioned over and over: the fuel sub-plot makes no sense. Neither does Dom's motivations and actions in Act 3. Stick a frag to that thing. Lack of common sense and cliches do not a professional make.
NullPointer
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(09-27-2011, 08:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

No offense to any other game, but we also have 4p co-op in the main campaign, which seems to be rare these days. Plus arcade mode and mutators.

And BOTS :)
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(09-27-2011, 08:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by LiK

Man, not sure how you remembered. After all those explosions and battles, I forgot about it completely.

When Marcus thrust the knife into her chest and said "This is from Dom and everyone you killed, you bitch," I immediately thought of that cutscene where Dom gave him that knife. But yeah, it's easy to forget little details like that. The ending was really good, but the Dom scene earlier felt a bit uneventful for some reason. It felt like he died too early in the game, although, I guess, most people would have never expected that.
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Phonomezer
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(09-27-2011, 09:01 PM)
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smh @ the people complaining about the writing and not 'getting' certain parts of the game. Really? A lot of more serious games have had far, far worse writing.

Originally Posted by Meisadragon

It felt like he died too early in the game, although, I guess, most people would have never expected that.

I certainly didn't.

And my favourite character, no less :(
SomewhatGroovy
(09-27-2011, 09:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Phonomezer

smh @ the people complaining about the writing and not 'getting' certain parts of the game. Really? A lot of more serious games have had far, far worse writing.

We're comparing it to more "serious" games that have had far, far better writing.

Since you "get" it, start here:

Why was the Locust queen human?

How did Adam meet Myrah?

Why was he helping her?

What's on the disc?

What the hell were Cole and Baird doing in the last couple of acts?

Why do you need kinectic energy to create a massive explosion when a large explosive charge would have sufficed?

Fuel sub-plot?
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CliffyB
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(09-27-2011, 09:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Anabuhabkuss

We're comparing it to more "serious" games that have had far, far better writing.

To which you've provided very few examples of, to be fair. If you're saying "Portal" series then, sure, that's some brilliant, amazing work!

I'm not going to defend our story here, those who love it and get it truly adore it. You can find plot holes in nearly anything, from Lord of the Rings to Dark Knight. Story, like any art, can be somewhat subjective and is easy to pick on.

The GAF crowd can be somewhat cynical. If you go to Youtube and look up many of the cutscenes deemed "silly" or "cheesy" on here the majority of the comments over there cite how the scenes moved them, made them misty eyed, or out and out made them cry. And those of you citing Cole as some bad stereotype - guys, that's just Lester being Lester. We introduced Jace as a more laid back character as a contrast Cole's enthusiasm. (which, after playing his sequence, is his way of overcompensating for not being the center of the universe and having to risk his neck for a can of beans now along with some aches and pains.)

I believe we're getting better at storytelling with each effort and the critical consensus is that this is the best Gears narrative yet, and we'll keep doing better in the future. You can pick anything to shreds on the internet because you've got the time and balls afforded to you by a keyboard and monitor. ;)

EDIT: And no, we're not going to answer everything. Creatives often leave certain questions unanswered so they can answer them later or let the hive mind of the internet to figure it out. The Gearspedia has already solved a lot of these questions.
LiK
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(09-27-2011, 09:21 PM)
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Don't lump me in with them cynical bastards. ;)
Seth Balmore
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(09-27-2011, 09:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by LiK

Don't lump me in with them cynical bastards. ;)

Same here. Ain't afraid to admit I feel for the characters.
NullPointer
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(09-27-2011, 09:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Seth Balmore

Same here. Ain't afraid to admit I feel for the characters.

Damn straight.

The Dom scene affected me more than I thought it would or could. His actions beforehand (visiting the grave, giving his knife to Marcus and his general demeanor) all worked to unknowingly set the stage. And when the music kicked in... wow. Just a well done scene that fits with the Gears universe and takes fans back to the very start of it all.

Its without a doubt the best Gears storytelling to date, and I'd argue the best pacing in a Gears game, but there are still some major questions left behind.

For my part I just want to know what the thought was behind getting fuel for the sub twice. Just feels like a mistake.
jackdoe
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(09-27-2011, 09:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

EDIT: And no, we're not going to answer everything. Creatives often leave certain questions unanswered so they can answer them later or let the hive mind of the internet to figure it out. The Gearspedia has already solved a lot of these questions.

To be fair, that's a cop out. It frustrated me as a Lost fan, to the point that I don't even want to touch the Blu-rays that I have sitting on my shelf (since I know that most of the questions are going be left unanswered or dropped like a bad habit). If I was more heavily invested in the Gears story, I would be frustrated as well. Luckily it's a game and the gameplay is good so the unanswered questions are more of a niggling annoyance than full on frustration.
Arjen
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(09-27-2011, 09:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

To which you've provided very few examples of, to be fair. If you're saying "Portal" series then, sure, that's some brilliant, amazing work!

I'm not going to defend our story here, those who love it and get it truly adore it. You can find plot holes in nearly anything, from Lord of the Rings to Dark Knight. Story, like any art, can be somewhat subjective and is easy to pick on.

The GAF crowd can be somewhat cynical. If you go to Youtube and look up many of the cutscenes deemed "silly" or "cheesy" on here the majority of the comments over there cite how the scenes moved them, made them misty eyed, or out and out made them cry. And those of you citing Cole as some bad stereotype - guys, that's just Lester being Lester. We introduced Jace as a more laid back character as a contrast Cole's enthusiasm. (which, after playing his sequence, is his way of overcompensating for not being the center of the universe and having to risk his neck for a can of beans now along with some aches and pains.)

I believe we're getting better at storytelling with each effort and the critical consensus is that this is the best Gears narrative yet, and we'll keep doing better in the future. You can pick anything to shreds on the internet because you've got the time and balls afforded to you by a keyboard and monitor. ;)

EDIT: And no, we're not going to answer everything. Creatives often leave certain questions unanswered so they can answer them later or let the hive mind of the internet to figure it out. The Gearspedia has already solved a lot of these questions.


Compared to how a story driven game like Dragon Age 2 gets trashed, i think you're doing rather well here on GAF ;)
Lingitiz
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(09-27-2011, 10:11 PM)
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I actually really liked the storytelling despite all the unanswered questions. It is definitely the best Gears story yet, and great for what it is: a blockbuster action game.

I don't know if its just me, but most of my attachment to the characters comes from playing them in multiplayer all these years. For me that is much more significant than any attachment I could make during the storylines.
K' Dash
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(09-27-2011, 10:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by CliffyB

To which you've provided very few examples of, to be fair. If you're saying "Portal" series then, sure, that's some brilliant, amazing work!

I'm not going to defend our story here, those who love it and get it truly adore it. You can find plot holes in nearly anything, from Lord of the Rings to Dark Knight. Story, like any art, can be somewhat subjective and is easy to pick on.

The GAF crowd can be somewhat cynical. If you go to Youtube and look up many of the cutscenes deemed "silly" or "cheesy" on here the majority of the comments over there cite how the scenes moved them, made them misty eyed, or out and out made them cry. And those of you citing Cole as some bad stereotype - guys, that's just Lester being Lester. We introduced Jace as a more laid back character as a contrast Cole's enthusiasm. (which, after playing his sequence, is his way of overcompensating for not being the center of the universe and having to risk his neck for a can of beans now along with some aches and pains.)

I believe we're getting better at storytelling with each effort and the critical consensus is that this is the best Gears narrative yet, and we'll keep doing better in the future. You can pick anything to shreds on the internet because you've got the time and balls afforded to you by a keyboard and monitor. ;)

EDIT: And no, we're not going to answer everything. Creatives often leave certain questions unanswered so they can answer them later or let the hive mind of the internet to figure it out. The Gearspedia has already solved a lot of these questions.


Take it easy Playah, there's A LOT more Love than hate.
Papercuts
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(09-27-2011, 10:19 PM)
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I'm pretty surprised that people actually bought enough avatar shirts to let Carmine live. I wasn't sure if I wanted him to or not, but I think it worked well the way they showed him pick up the helmet(after teasing it with the dead COG and the floating helmet) right after Adam ate it.

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