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Dragoon En Regalia
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(02-20-2012, 07:44 PM)
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My ideal R/G/B/ remake would take place around the same time as B/W, or at least have a whole second section of the game devoted to such a sequel-like concept. But I'm not too certain on the business sense of such a decision.
DMG-01
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Calling it now:
RSE remakes to be announced: Magma Ruby and Aqua Sapphire.
To be released September 16 (funnily enough, exactly 8 years after Emerald)
3DS exclusive

And since opinions are being thrown around: RSE are the worst mainline games (but with the 2nd best story), but FRLG are good.
Suairyu
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Originally Posted by smr00

It's called progression

What an entirely incorrect and presumptive position to hold. 2D as an artstyle has never been invalid or prohibiting. The only difference these days is that you're not limited to 2D, rather you can choose to be 2D if it fits your game.

Originally Posted by Dragoon En Regalia

My ideal R/G/B/ remake would take place around the same time as B/W, or at least have a whole second section of the game devoted to such a sequel-like concept. But I'm not too certain on the business sense of such a decision.

B/W is set after Gen I games. I mean, they can retcon that but why?

Originally Posted by Salvadora

It would need huge amounts of new content. I find Kanto quite boring.
Edit: I'm sure that comes for playing the originals, Yellow and the remakes.

Well, yeah. It'd have to be substantially new. And do things like Black and White did to make each city feel unique.
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Man God
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The one real neat and often overlooked aspect of the new TM system is that since now they are basically key items that can't be traded every new game could have a new set of them.

This would be especially nice for Grey considering just how awful a lot of the new TMs are. Probably the worst gen for TMs since 2.
Salvadora
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I'm torn between 2D and 3D. I would need to see how they will approach 3D though.
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Originally Posted by Gravijah

he doesn't like gen iii.

Gen 3 was lame, way too much water on the map.
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(02-20-2012, 07:49 PM)

Originally Posted by DMG-01

Calling it now:
RSE remakes to be announced: Magma Ruby and Aqua Sapphire.
To be released September 16 (funnily enough, exactly 8 years after Emerald)
3DS exclusive

Mah birthday. :O
Suairyu
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Originally Posted by Man God

This would be especially nice for Grey considering just how awful a lot of the new TMs are. Probably the worst gen for TMs since 2.

They couldn't use any new TMs in Grey, I don't think, as the game needs to be compatible with Black and White. They could offer more TMs from previous generations, though.
Lindsay
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I'm on team RSE were great and FrLg sucked!
Man God
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Originally Posted by Suairyu

They couldn't use any new TMs in Grey, I don't think, as the game needs to be compatible with Black and White. They could offer more TMs from previous generations, though.

Well yes, that's obvious.
Berordn
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Originally Posted by Neoriceisgood

Gen 3 was lame, way too much water on the map.

Gen 3 was godawful until Emerald came around and fixed it up nice. After that it merely became the worst instead of an unholy abomination.

I still love it though, Feebas fishing and all.

Originally Posted by Salvadora

Why did they suck out of interest? I thought they were well received.

They followed a bit too closely to the originals, with very few additions from Gen II and III until the postgame area, and even that had an iffy selection of new 'mons. They basically played like the originals but with higher fidelity graphics.
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Salvadora
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Originally Posted by Lindsay

I'm on team RSE were great and FrLg sucked!

Why did they suck out of interest? I thought they were well received.
J@hranimo
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Originally Posted by Lindsay

I'm on team RSE were great and FrLg sucked!

I can only agree with the first part. How did FR/LG suck? They improved on just about everything from he originals and added the Sevii Islands!
AdmiralSnackbar
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Originally Posted by Suairyu

The real question is what do they do remake-wise with Gen VII (because I assume R/S/E are going to be gen VI)? Remaking Diamond and Pearl seems a bit redundant. I'd be down for another remake of Red and Green so long as it didn't leave all of its new content for the post-game again.

I always figured that they can't keep adding new pokemon forever and that they would eventually just create new scenarios in old regions. (i.e. gen VI being set in Hoen AND Sinnoh)
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I would like new scenarios in old regions. Maybe in the past or future, Seeing how routes and towns have changed for example.
Dragoon En Regalia
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B/W takes place many years later, and going through Kanto many years later as a new protagonist or an older Red could be an interesting change of pace. Just a thought. This is part of my ideal R/G/B sequel currently in-planning (at least in a design-doc stage, lol), in addition to an improved battle system and utterly-revamped SP mode.

I was perfectly fine with the water routes in R/S, and they're not hard to deal with at all. For a semi-tropical region, Hoenn had a metric-ton a variety in its environments, more interesting than Kanto's treestreestrees and Johto's Kansai-influenced stuff overall. And the Pokemon designs got really zany too, which fit the exotic theme perfectly.
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Originally Posted by Suairyu

They couldn't use any new TMs in Grey, I don't think, as the game needs to be compatible with Black and White. They could offer more TMs from previous generations, though.

Wait, what? I don't think that's true. I think since the TMs are unable to be transferred or anything that they can replace all the TMs in Grey if they wanted to without a hitch.
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Originally Posted by Salvadora

Why did they suck out of interest? I thought they were well received.

Originally Posted by J@hranimo

I can only agree with the first part. How did FR/LG suck? They improved on just about everything from he originals and added the Sevii Islands!

- blocky look of the graphics/art style as opposed to the very nice more natural and rounded look of RSE
- numerous missing features such as an internal clock (no Espy/Umby for you!)
- that darn "where you left off" thing every time the game started
- the pause every time you enter the PKMN center or are already in one and come out of a menu without the wireless adapter in your system (emerald suffered from this to though)
- the 3 pocket bag was a downgrade from the 5 pocket one and ya also couldn't cycle through it for whatever dumb reason

FrLg were just so very barebones and clunky a real disappointment to me back then!


Originally Posted by Salvadora

I would like new scenarios in old regions. Maybe in the past or future, Seeing how routes and towns have changed for example.

That'd be perfect for Gen III. Post-Groudon & Kyogre Hoenn could be cool. Waterways where once there were not and land routes where once there was water would just be the tip of the iceburg of things they could do!
J@hranimo
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Originally Posted by Dragoon En Regalia

I was perfectly fine with the water routes in R/S, and they're not hard to deal with at all. For a semi-tropical region, Hoenn had a metric-ton a variety in its environments, more interesting than Kanto's treestreestrees and Johto's Kansai-influenced stuff overall. And the Pokemon designs got really zany too, which fit the exotic theme perfectly.

:O

You get it. That's exactly why Hoenn is awesome as a region. The only area that has a bit of water is the area south of Mossdeep, East of Sootopolis and South of Evergrande. Once you play enough of it the area is easy to get.

In the remake they should definitely make surfing go a lot faster especially if they're adding more parts.
Suairyu
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I don't like the water sections in any of the Pokémon games. It just feels like a dungeon/cave to me - something you want to get out really quickly. Couldn't tell you why I feel that way exactly.
Dragoon En Regalia
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Why would any sane person compare the inventory functions from a Gen 3 game to a Gen 5 game's obvious improvements? That is, quite simply, an unreasonable argument to make. GF improved on what was an already functional and well-deisgned system in Gen 2/3 and made it better in later Gens. That happens to multiple game mechanics in the Pokemon series, and it's what should happen all the time. All that's saying to me is that it's hard to go back to an earlier Gen, which is a sign that things are simply getting more and more refined like they should. :\

Also: I noticed nothing wrong with the FR/LG visual style, and various improvements like the magnanimous VS Seeker made it all the more worthwhile.

The reason for vast expanses of water being threatening, to me in particular, is that every tile of water is a chance to get a random encounter, which is something to mark the water sections against. But keeping a good supply of Repels should be wise in SP anyways, so as to make travel across a region and through routes more accommodating (sans HM moves, of course).
BlackJace
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Originally Posted by DMG-01

Calling it now:
RSE remakes to be announced: Magma Ruby and Aqua Sapphire.
To be released September 16 (funnily enough, exactly 8 years after Emerald)
3DS exclusive

And since opinions are being thrown around: RSE are the worst mainline games (but with the 2nd best story), but FRLG are good.

Oh no you didn't.
Busaiku
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(02-20-2012, 09:17 PM)
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I feel like we have this topic every month now.

New Pokemon to be announced -> Pokemon Typing
New Pokemon to be announced -> Pokemon Rumble Blast
New Pokemon to be announced -> PokePark 2 Beyond the World
New Pokemon to be announced -> Pokemon x Nobunaga's Ambition
Last edited by Busaiku; 02-20-2012 at 09:21 PM.
Wiseblade
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The Gen III defense force grows ever stronger.

Originally Posted by Busaiku

I feel like we have this topic every month now.

New Pokemon to be announced -> Pokemon Typing
New Pokemon to be announced -> Pokemon Rumble Blast
New Pokemon to be announced -> PokePark 2 Beyond the World
New Pokemon to be announced -> Pokemon x Nobunaga's Ambition

But this time is different! Masuda promised!

/optimism

Pokémon x Nobunaga's Ambition is cool, BTW.
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Dr.Palutena
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Originally Posted by Wiseblade

The Gen III defense force grows ever stronger.

Don't worry the other kind will be dealt with soon.
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(02-20-2012, 09:23 PM)
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I am going to share my dream and It wouldn't happens.

2D Pokemon MMORPG for Wii U

Where we can logged and customize our pokemon trainers and challenge people over the internet. The world would be so huge, so they would reused the map from first 5 generations and complete the continents.

Also we could make a clan and group so it would motivate the people to able to purchase 2 vs 2 tag team, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, 4 vs 4, and 5 vs 5 tournament style.
Hot Coldman
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People who shit on RSE are my kind of people. 3rd gen was neat, but it would have been the worst if not for FRLG.
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Originally Posted by Wiseblade

The Gen III defense force grows ever stronger.

WE ARE LEGION.


But this time is different! Masuda promised!

/optimism

Just remember Masuda appearing on Pokemon Smash immediately after the September 3DS conference... to promote a wifi Mewtwo event.

And realise that this man will stop at nothing to get Pokemon talked about, whether he's got something to show or not.
Emitan
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Originally Posted by Green Scar

People who shit on RSE are my kind of people. 3rd gen was neat, but it would have been the worst if not for FRLG.

It's okay. I try to forget Diamond and Pearl existed, too.
TheUnsane1
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Pokemon MOBA for PC please. (yea right :( )

If that was a thing... all of my moneys.

I'll settle for a 3ds title.
Suairyu
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Whenever I am in a Pokémon thread I get massive deja vu and I think "wait, I had a dream about all this, didn't I? Oh, no, it's a memory from two days ago."
Emitan
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Pokémon MOBA would just be the Smogon forums
Boney
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Gen 3 lovers are even worse than Gen 4 haters.

Originally Posted by Man God

Clarify. Does that include the remakes? If so, then you are in the right. If not then he is in the right.

Fire Red and Leaf Green are incredible.

Playing Emerald and the two GCN games though made me realize just how important the Gen IV changes really were. You really feel it when you go back to those older games. Even simple stuff like Brick Break and Wing Attack being the best fighting and flying moves that you can usually get on most pokémon.

haven't played frlg but my problems with RS aren't the mechanics.

Its just that everything else is god awful
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Originally Posted by Suairyu

Whenever I am in a Pokémon thread I get massive deja vu and I think "wait, I had a dream about all this, didn't I? Oh, no, it's a memory from two days ago."

HEY GUYS I HAVENT PLAYED A POGEYMANS GAME SINCE RBY BUT I THINK THEY ARE GETTING STALE NINTENDO SHOULD MAKE AN MMO
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Originally Posted by Wiseblade

HEY GUYS I HAVENT PLAYED A POGEYMANS GAME SINCE RBY BUT I THINK THEY ARE GETTING STALE NINTENDO SHOULD MAKE AN MMO

I think he's referring to the same thing I am.
AnkiRendan
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I didn't like FR/LG because the visuals were...well, I don't know. When I think of a remake, I expect to be wowed by the visual difference/improvement and although Pokemon isn't known for its graphics, it didn't really do anything for me at all. Plus, Kanto isn't the most exciting region as much as I love Pokemon Yellow.

However what really killed me was the music. It's weird because I like the music in R/S (it's probably what I like about RS the most), but the music in F/LG sounds absolutely horrible. ESPECIALLY the Champion theme. That's my favourite music track in any Pokemon game and the FR/LG version is absolute garbage...

If these really are remakes, then I just hope they improve upon R/S. I think HG/SS made me appreciate G/S more, so it'd be nice if remakes of R/S could do the same. Otherwise, bring on Grey.
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Originally Posted by AnkiRendan

I didn't like FR/LG because the visuals were...well, I don't know. When I think of a remake, I expect to be wowed by the visual difference/improvement and although Pokemon isn't known for its graphics, it didn't really do anything for

It went from a system weaker than the NES to a system more powerful than the SNES and you're saying it doesn't really look different?
Lausebub
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If this ends up being Grey for the 3DS, this thing is going to fuck everything up in Japan.
Scenario:

Fall 2012

Monster Hunter 4
Pokémon Grey
(Animal Crossing)*

*I'm not sure, but I feel like Animal Crossing is going to be a huge hit, if they nail the online and StreetPass and SpotPass stuff.

I would love to have a Pokémon in full 3D, it should be from the same perspective though, so the general feel of the game isn't lost. But I would appreciate more epic battles. Also: Better Pokémon sounds...

EDIT: @AnkiRendan: Yeah, this is like saying Ocarina of Time on the 3DS doesn't look better than the original for the N64.
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Wichu
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FR/LG graphics are better than R/S/E graphics. The sprite style in R/S/E is pretty bad.

R/S/E are still better
Suairyu
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Originally Posted by Billychu

It went from a system weaker than the NES to a system more powerful than the SNES and you're saying it doesn't really look different?

It's not like Pokémon actually used much of that power on the GBA. Certainly FR/LG didn't.
Box of Bunnies
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Originally Posted by Busaiku

I feel like we have this topic every month now.

New Pokemon to be announced -> Pokemon Typing
New Pokemon to be announced -> Pokemon Rumble Blast
New Pokemon to be announced -> PokePark 2 Beyond the World
New Pokemon to be announced -> Pokemon x Nobunaga's Ambition

Now that we've got all that other stuff out of the way, it's time to move onto the real deal.

Pokemon Pinball 3DS!
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Originally Posted by Billychu

It went from a system weaker than the NES to a system more powerful than the SNES and you're saying it doesn't really look different?

Sorry, maybe I should have explained that a bit better. It DOES look better of course, but because it was simply R/S graphics, including attack animations, I didn't really feel all that amazed by it. Any other additions besides the storyline after the Elite 4 didn't really wow me either.

Of course, I'm just a little strange. I still think that the Surf animation from G/S is better than any of the other games...
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Originally Posted by Busaiku

I think he's referring to the same thing I am.

I was just filling in the only thing missing from this iteration.
Man God
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I very excited for the gen three remakes.

I hated gen two until they fixed Johto with the incredible Heart Gold and lesser Soul Silver.

I can only imagine what a good Hoenn would feel like.
Salvadora
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There are Gen IV haters? The fuck.
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Originally Posted by Wiseblade

I was just filling in the only thing missing from this iteration.

we are still missing anime talk, disdain about the anime talk and nostalgia whoring to make this like gaming side pokemon threads of old. and horrifying Lyre locks , though those bad days are behind us
Busaiku
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Originally Posted by Salvadora

There are Gen IV haters? The fuck.

Everything before Black is insignificant now.
Trojita
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Pokemon: George Washington's Ambition
Wichu
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Originally Posted by Box of Bunnies

Now that we've got all that other stuff out of the way, it's time to move onto the real deal.

Pokemon Pinball 3DS!

Day one.
Suairyu
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Originally Posted by DoomXploder7

we are still missing anime talk, disdain about the anime talk and nostalgia whoring to make this like gaming side pokemon threads of old. and horrifying Lyre locks , though those bad days are behind us

What did Lyre do? Other than being the worst mod in GAF history, of course.

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