[maxxpower]

Height is arguably more important than any criteria on that list

Tell me about it.

[purple cobra]

Tell me about it.

I know that feeling too.

[Little Green Yoda]

Damn, Carrot Top is ripped.

[JokerOfSpades]

His word choice isn't just because he's an asshole. Hence you missing the point.

*sigh* He picks a word that has been used against women in the past, and it is because he is an asshole.

What is the big point that I'm missing that means that friends shouldn't use it in passing as a joke?

[Finaika]

I know that feeling too.

:(

[SapientWolf]

Different people have different dating strategies, and it's clear that there's some tendencies for gender differences in that as well. But if a person is happy with the results of that strategy then why should they change it?

That said, a guy just can't tie a red bow to his wide dick, stick it out the window of his expensive car and expect women to chase after it like a color guard. The article tries to paint women in the most shallow light possible and their decision process still comes off as far more sophisticated than just looking at the face and the body.

[JokerOfSpades]

Meh. Girls generally prefer to date guy who are taller than them, but I prefer shorter girls anyways, so I'm not mad. 5'7" here.

[Uchip]

guys: "girls are shallow"
girls: "guys are shallow"

me: "people suck"

[Devolution]

*sigh* He picks a word that has been used against women in the past, and it is because he is an asshole. What is the big point that I'm missing that means that friends shouldn't use it in passing as a joke?

Not just in the past now. The double standard surrounding female promiscuity still plagues so called liberal and progressive circles, otherwise the response about the Sandra Fluke bullying wouldn't have been about how she's not a slut she's an educated respectable woman, it would have been "what if she is, who the fuck cares." But there is still a stigma against women fucking all they please and enjoying it, and that's embodied in the word slut. So excuse me if I couldn't give a fuck less about people using it in their smaller inner circles as a joke, as that's not really a signal to me that the word is losing its power. I'm not saying they can't either just that I don't consider it much of a gauge on the word honestly when you still have incidents like this.

[overcast]

Are people really surprised to find out it is difficult to match two people together who think one another are attractive AND like eachother as people? 1.) Most people aren't all that great looking. 2.) Everyone has different tastes in personality of which there are millions of variations. The odds just aren't with you. All you can do is try and improve your chances by being a moderately interesting person and trying to do the best you can/are willing to do to be attractive. A lot of it is luck though.

I would argue there are a lot of solid looking people (not great). Just dress decently, keep yourself clean. You'll probably looks pretty nice.

[JokerOfSpades]

Not just in the past now. The double standard surrounding female promiscuity still plagues so called liberal and progressive circles, otherwise the response about the Sandra Fluke bullying wouldn't have been about how she's not a slut she's an educated respectable woman, it would have been "what if she is, who the fuck cares." But there is still a stigma against women fucking all they please and enjoying it, and that's embodied in the word slut. So excuse me if I couldn't give a fuck less about people using it in their smaller inner circles as a joke, as that's not really a signal to me that the word is losing its power. I'm not saying they can't either just that I don't consider it much of a gauge on the word honestly when you still have incidents like this.

So long as other women continue to call friends sluts (slut-shaming without the shame), I don't see the problem. You'll see I feel the same about many things.

Wasn't trying to gauge the power of the word. I just don't see the problem with its existence in circles.

I have no idea what shadow is saying, but I'm not following him or even giving an opinion on his opinion. My comment was separate.

[brucewaynegretzky]

I would argue there are a lot of solid looking people (not great). Just dress decently, keep yourself clean. You'll probably looks pretty nice.

Fair. I guess that point is better phrased in there are a lot of people out there that look very different and everyone is gonna have different tastes. It's just similar to the personality thing. There are just so many combinations, finding a person you are highly compatible with just seems to less likely than finding one. That's why it takes a good amount of effort. I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that it really just isn't worth the effort. I meet enough people that are fine, but there are very few who are actually worth putting in the effort required by a significant relationship.

[Fugu]

I didn't particularly enjoy this article until the end:

So yeah, while your average shallow frat boy is ogling boobs and butts, your average shallow strumpet is eyeing guys that wear red, flash some green, work out, and, uh, have wide penises. Don't take notes. Neither group is worth catering to. Don't get me wrong -- we probably all care about that stuff to some degree, but for most of us, it's lower down on our lists.

Tell me about it.

I'm 5'6. My experience has led me to believe that confidence is a far more pervasive factor than height, and that there is a tendency for us short people to convey ourselves with less confidence. Don't let it bother you and it probably won't bother them.

[The Anti-Monitor]

Wasn't trying to gauge the power of the word. I just don't see the problem with its existence in circles. I have no idea what shadow is saying, but I'm not following him or even giving an opinion on his opinion. My comment was separate.

You and your friends can call each other the c, n or f word for all the rest of the universe cares, doesn't mean their widespread usage is okay.

The problem is that "slut" is a derogative term, used to insult whenever you are promiscuous, or fuck even just a bit sexually active. And shadowsdarknes knows it is, otherwise he wouldn't be all like "I would never call that to their faces though". And as long as being a slut carries the negative connotations it currently does, of course you're not gonna see many women being open about sex.

Not a native English speaker so I'm just treating "slut" like the spanish equivalent

[Puddles]

Chauvinists have been pointing out for YEARS that women are attracted to power.

Fuck off. A lot of people who aren't chauvinists have also been pointing this out.

[JokerOfSpades]

You and your friends can call each other the c, n or f word for all the rest of the universe cares, doesn't mean their widespread usage is okay. The problem is that "slut" is a derogative term, used to insult whenever you are promiscuous, or fuck even just a bit sexually active. And shadowsdarknes knows it is, otherwise he wouldn't be all like "I would never call that to their faces though". And as long as being a slut carries the negative connotations it currently does, of course you're not gonna see many women being open about sex. Not a native English speaker so I'm just treating "slut" like the spanish equivalent

Among friends it's fine, I imagine. Just as how even racist jokes can be funny among friends.

I repeat - I don't even use the word. That doesn't mean that I think others shouldn't be able to (but not derogatively). Either way, a word is as its intent.

[zerokoolpsx]

Height is arguably more important than any criteria on that list

It is without a doubt.

[SapientWolf]

I didn't particularly enjoy this article until the end: I'm 5'6. My experience has led me to believe that confidence is a far more pervasive factor than height, and that there is a tendency for us short people to convey ourselves with less confidence. Don't let it bother you and it probably won't bother them.

I think status trumps all, and maybe confidence communicates status on some level. Maybe height does too. Tall people are overrepresented in management.

How does the slut tangent relate to the article? I'm missing the connection because shallowness doesn't necessarily imply sluttiness.

[Devolution]

I think status trumps all, and maybe confidence communicates status on some level. Maybe height does too. Tall people are overrepresented in management. How does the slut tangent relate to the article? I'm missing the connection because shallowness doesn't necessarily imply sluttiness.

Got off on a tangent about how we get shit when we talk about dick preferences.

[ajf009]

Got off on a tangent about how we get shit when we talk about dick preferences.

you mean you actually do that?

[Devolution]

you mean you actually do that?

I haven't seen enough dicks outside of porn to really talk about them personally.

[The Anti-Monitor]

you mean you actually do that?

Yes

[JokerOfSpades]

Got off on a tangent about how we get shit when we talk about dick preferences.

I've always heard that women talk about a bunch of sexual things together, and always gleaned that women talk about EVERYTHING when it comes to sex (some claimed that they're worse than guys in that regard), so I never really linked it to deviant behavior. From whom do you get shit - I wouldn't expect other women, so men?

[ajf009]

I haven't seen enough dicks outside of porn to really talk about them personally.

haha I thought it was obvious that I wasn't serious because.. well come on that would just be ridiculous right?

Yes

But now i'm starting to wonder...


(not talk about it, i mean get shit about it)

[Devolution]

haha I thought it was obvious that I wasn't serious because.. well come on that would just be ridiculous right? But now i'm starting to wonder... (not talk about it, i mean get shit about it)

Haha. But seriously I think I'd have more of a preference about it if I had fucked more guys. Looks kind of don't mean shit if it's just going to be inside of me anyway.

[ajf009]

Haha. But seriously I think I'd have more of a preference about it if I had fucked more guys. Looks kind of don't mean shit if it's just going to be inside of me anyway.

makes sense, but I feel like a lot of girls would want it to actually look... nice isn't the right word.. good? and maybe that would make them feel a little more comfortable. Because there IS such thing as an ugly dick.

[Devolution]

makes sense, but I feel like a lot of girls would want it to actually look... nice isn't the right word.. good? and maybe that would make them feel a little more comfortable. Because there IS such thing as an ugly dick.

True. I've seen them in tinychat.

[ajf009]

True. I've seen them in tinychat.

awesome, just as i was considering joining..

[The Anti-Monitor]

I've always heard that women talk about a bunch of sexual things together, and always gleaned that women talk about EVERYTHING when it comes to sex (some claimed that they're worse than guys in that regard), so I never really linked it to deviant behavior. From whom do you get shit - I wouldn't expect other women, so men?

Close friends don't mind, everyone else is likely to give you a bad look

haha I thought it was obvious that I wasn't serious because.. well come on that would just be ridiculous right? But now i'm starting to wonder... (not talk about it, i mean get shit about it)

I don't think I follow

Haha. But seriously I think I'd have more of a preference about it if I had fucked more guys. Looks kind of don't mean shit if it's just going to be inside of me anyway.

Not a big deal, but when it has a weird shape, well, you gotta do some stuff differently

[Devolution]

I don't think I follow Not a big deal, but when it has a weird shape, well, you gotta do some stuff differently

That's what I mean by not screwing enough guys to know which kinds of dicks (even visually being cued in) are harder (lol) to deal with.

[BlueTsunami]

Looks kind of don't mean shit if it's just going to be inside of me anyway.

Devo totally using the paper bag solution

[Devolution]

Devo totally using the paper bag solution

That mental image is pretty funny.

[ajf009]

Close friends don't mind, everyone else is likely to give you a bad look I don't think I follow

I didn't think girls got shit for talking about preference & such

Not a big deal, but when it has a weird shape, well, you gotta do some stuff differently

that just sounds unpleasant..

[Dice]

I'm 5'6. My experience has led me to believe that confidence is a far more pervasive factor than height, and that there is a tendency for us short people to convey ourselves with less confidence. Don't let it bother you and it probably won't bother them.

Somewhat true, as you can certainly be a hell of a lot more charming than most if you simply try, but a small anecdote from a slim 5'7" guy:

There have been many times that a girl was having trouble with something heavy and I tried to be a gentleman and offer my assistance. They seem somewhat concerned because the shit is apparently so heavy but then I just pick it up and handle it perfectly fine and they go "oh.. okay" in a surprised/impressed tone. This has happened many, many times.

Can you honestly tell me that'd happen if I were 6'? I do have a light build, but I don't think that's it at all. There is a height-related subconscious estimation going on there, and it's more influential than you might think. There have been plenty of studies on the issue and the results are always very clear. A shorter man simply has to "earn his way" more than a taller man.

[SapientWolf]

Got off on a tangent about how we get shit when we talk about dick preferences.

You guys got off on that? That's a little TMI.

I don't think anyone from Gen Y really cares if women dish about dongs. But some people might pretend to be offended if they think it makes them look good.

[Devolution]

You guys got off on that? That's a little TMI. I don't think anyone from Gen Y really cares if women dish about dongs. But some people might pretend to be offended if they think it makes them look good.

Actually we established it's more dudes being butthurt about their own peens or something.

[SapientWolf]

Actually we established it's more dudes being butthurt about their own peens or something.

Well, are we talking about women pointing at a guy's crotch and giggling or is it just general cock talk? Most guys believe that they're packing a pretty presentable penis, so it would be abnormal to get defensive at the mere mention of dick.

I think most of the backlash and discomfort over the issue comes from the old idea that women aren't supposed to enjoy sex as much as men do.

[The Anti-Monitor]

That's what I mean by not screwing enough guys to know which kinds of dicks (even visually being cued in) are harder (lol) to deal with.

Well then that's leaving me with a bad image!

I didn't think girls got shit for talking about preference & such that just sounds unpleasant..

More like awkward. Like, is he even aware they're not supposed to bend like that?

Well, are we talking about women pointing at a guy's crotch and giggling or is it just general cock talk? Most guys believe that they're packing a pretty presentable penis, so it would be abnormal to get defensive at the mere mention of dick. I think most of the backlash and discomfort over the issue comes from the old idea that women aren't supposed to enjoy sex as much as men do.

I think it's because if there are preferences, some dicks are better. If that happens, his dick might be inferior to someone else's. And he doesn' even want to consider that

[Vagabundo]

Somewhat true, as you can certainly be a hell of a lot more charming than most if you simply try, but a small anecdote from a slim 5'7" guy: There have been many times that a girl was having trouble with something heavy and I tried to be a gentleman and offer my assistance. They seem somewhat concerned because the shit is apparently so heavy but then I just pick it up and handle it perfectly fine and they go "oh.. okay" in a surprised/impressed tone. This has happened many, many times. Can you honestly tell me that'd happen if I were 6'? I do have a light build, but I don't think that's it at all. There is a height-related subconscious estimation going on there, and it's more influential than you might think. There have been plenty of studies on the issue and the results are always very clear. A shorter man simply has to "earn his way" more than a taller man.

I'm 5'4 and that doesn't happen to me, but I look strong. I think it is more to do with your slim build.

[SapientWolf]

I think it's because if there are preferences, some dicks are better. If that happens, his dick might be inferior to someone else's. And he doesn' even want to consider that

But if that was the case, wouldn't guys in general feel too threatened to watch porn starring well endowed actors? And even if that were true, confident guys would think that they're a good enough cocksmith to make up the difference. No criticism will stick. They're Teflon dongs.

There's great discomfort among certain demographics about females talking about sex in general, and the Threatened Dick Theorem isn't broad enough to cover the full spectrum. It's a character judgement, and, to try to tie it into the article, it may seem shallow to the people being offended.

[akira28]

It depends on who the audience is. Girls dishing with girls about someone's butt, or someone with a wrist thick todge won't be given a second thought if it's girls. But if it's mixed company, someone might be made uncomfortable, the same if it's guys talking about the particulars of a woman's perfectly upturned nipples, or large anti-gravity breasts. You would see him called a pig, just light you might have a woman get slut-shamed for her sexuality making someone nervous. Both sides get shamed for having sexual thoughts, it's only that women aren't supposed to like sex, and men are thought to like sex too much.

[The Anti-Monitor]

But if that was the case, wouldn't guys in general feel too threatened to watch porn starring well endowed actors? And even if that were true, confident guys would think that they're a good enough cocksmith to make up the difference. No criticism will stick. They're Teflon dongs. There's great discomfort among certain demographics about females talking about sex in general, and the Threatened Dick Theorem isn't broad enough to cover the full spectrum. It's a character judgement, and, to try to tie it into the article, it may seem shallow to the people being offended.

I dunno. Maybe they just don't think about it when they're just watching.

From a bi point of view, other girls don't get in defense mode so quick when you talk about their boobies.

[Rikyfree]

So you're saying strap a sausage to each side of my penis and I'll be the ultimate sex machine.

This guy right here. He gets it!

[Lucario]

Thats all fine and dandy. However, if you're 150kg in weight, don't dress very well (or take care of yourself) you have no right to be complaining as much as you do about 'why girls don't like me' when you only approach hot girls and get rejected by them. He has had normal looking girls approahc him, or want to get to know him plenty of times but they're 'too fat' or 'have freckles' or finds some crazy excuse to put himself off them, unless they're young, hot and fit looking.

That's absolutely insane.

How could anyone not like freckles?

[marrec]

That's absolutely insane. How could anyone not like freckles?

Obviously he's making that up.

Who doesn't like freckles?

[Conciliator]

I think 'shallow' is the wrong way to think of it. It doesn't indicate a problem or a failure on our parts(men or women) to be attracted to the things we are biologically wired to be attracted to. Also, women's programmed attractions is a little more complex, but that doesn't necessarily indicated that they are less shallow or more above their instincts. A common modern short-hand is the 'gold digger', but there are actual evolutionary reasons for women to be attracted to money and power(differently than men). Confidence, 'bad boys', etc. are part of that same biological suite. That's just them listening to their genes same as we do when we double-take to assess a Hot Chick. There's not necessarily anything wrong with any of that(although, we are still responsible for our actions, of course).

[shanshan310]

That article conveniently forgot to mention that height can also be a factor to women regarding men. And I am completely fucked on that end...

There is hope yet! Its easier to have sex standing up etc if you are around the same height, so tall guys lose out on that one. Its also nice to be able to hold hands, kiss, dance with your partner without causing them back strain. You shorter guys have it fair easier in that regard.

[marrec]

There is hope yet! Its easier to have sex standing up etc if you are around the same height, so tall guys lose out on that one. Its also nice to be able to hold hands, kiss, dance with your partner without causing them back strain. You shorter guys have it fair easier in that regard.

I have never dated a woman that was over 5'6" and being 6'4" the challenges of little things like kissing/dancing are annoying. It's actually made me not like dancing so much in a traditional slow dance style because by the end of a couple of songs both mine and her necks are aching.

But at least I can reach stuff.

[Erasus]

lol. Why so much hostility towards people that are overweight? Were you bullied by a fat kid or something?

Because fat people are fat. Thats it. Anyone who says "oooh I dont have any predjudice" is lying. Ofc I give everyone a chance at everything but hearing/seeing fat people complain about their weight is just ugh. Now, I am not sying everyone is like this. They are not.

On the flip side, do I complain about weighing 55-60kg and not having any muscle? Nope, because I could go to a gym and get some. Its on me.

Take the example earlier in the thread, he had a fat friend who would only go for super hot girls and then not date any avarage ones.

[jred250]

I have never dated a woman that was over 5'6" and being 6'4" the challenges of little things like kissing/dancing are annoying. It's actually made me not like dancing so much in a traditional slow dance style because by the end of a couple of songs both mine and her necks are aching. But at least I can reach stuff.

More importantly can you dunk?