I was somewhat skeptical about the adult pirate too, at first, but yes, they're good characters, and I've come to like them as well. It has a good cast, and the male characters are actually done well and fit here, which as you say, is something of an accomplishment.
Moeskirt Pirates 11
Welp, whatever little hesitation about buying this I might have had last week is fully evaporated. Putting in orders now, Captain!
Each episode is better than the last.
I'm still not entirely sure how to describe why exactly, besides the obvious Star Trekishness, but I guess the direction and characters are just that appealing.
I think I may even like the male characters as they are, rather than my usual opinion of shows being improved by replacing all men with little girls.
Yeah, the CG looks fine.
And I seem to be able to deal with CG spaceships when there's no 2D in the frame for contrast, unlike the CG cars and trains that bug me a lot in other shows.
The OP is great, they don't need to change it at all!
Now if only they get real singers or character VAs to do the OP/ED for the second half, it'll be perfect.
You have a good point here about the audio -- ep. 11 definitely made great use of sound, I agree. The creaking of the ship as they struggled their way through the "waves" really helped amp up the tension and danger. I knew that they'd make it through of course, but still, it was definitely quite tense... very well done.
Moretsu Pirates 11
The space parts have been the best parts to the anime so far. Visuals as well as the intense sound kept me on the edge of my seat for the large duration that it took place. Kane is a great sternsman, and pretty epic with the backing in to dock to the Serendipity, and San Daime too, cool character. Marika is still a great main who has had phenomenal development, possibly one of the top female protagonists.
I didn't really understand the point on what the other sister wanted to do... it made more sense to you I guess?
Yeah, I just saw Sailing 11 and there was some mad Star Trek space navigation mojo going on (ie the best Trek Episodes had veiled nautical tropes)! Poor Serenity Princesses, why can't finding old relics be good for everyone in the kingdom. I doubt the younger one would actually want to sabotage a family relic like that.
On the point about the princess, in a quality, well-written show like this, even seemingly stereotypical characters aren't, and have depth. :)
Mouretsu Pirates 09:
I'm really hoping that the golden ghost ship doesn't turn into a MacGuffin. Even if the pacing is still on the slow side, this is a show that probably works better as story arcs. At least the battle with the Serenity forces is over. The action scenes lose their edge when the technobabble drowns out the tactics, and we were kind of heading in that direction. I'm still not liking the presence of the loli oujosama, but she doesn't appear to be the cliched bossy overbearing type so it's more tolerable.
Chiaki's curtsy was the absolute best thing in the episode.
Mouretsu Pirates 10:
WHOAAAAAAA PIRATE CAPTAIN CHIAKI IS THE GREATEST. Why couldn't it be like this every episode?
Well, one thing's certain now, and that would be that something is rotten in the state of Serenity, not the least of which appears to be that Serenity nobility have some kind of dark genetic secret. Based on the PV, we'll finally get some answers as to the nature of this intra-kingdom conflict.
As for Chiaki, Pirate Chiaki was pretty cool, but the princess' little sister wasn't fooled, unfortunately...
As for the below reply, apart from the part about Texhnolyze, I don't know if there's even one sentence of this post which I could agree with at all, which is why I took so long to decide if I wanted to actually reply or not...
That part was expanded? Well then, they did a great job in expanding on it, and it definitely adds something to the series. Making that part longer was a good idea indeed. :)
The content in episodes 2-5 only existed as flashbacks in the source material, and was not stretched out this long at all. In fact, I would say adapting the flashbacks was ineffective, and probably shoul've been kept in the way it was originally done. There's a lot better ways to do world-building in a visual medium.
That's not true at all, until they figured out who she was there was some definite tension there.
(FYI I quit at episode 8 to see if the new arc would do anything for me) I wouldn't really call what the show builds tension. If anything, there's more a lack of tension in the actions they take. They had a good start with Princess Gruier but they completely ruined it by playing her presence off as an intruder as something with no real harm, and someone who was effortlessly trapped.
Which part are you talking about? The cruise with the girls, before she moved to the Bentenmaru? They were certainly in danger. You're either misremembering, intentionally ignoring stuff because you don't like the show, or something else, but while they weren't in real danger most of the time, in the final episode of that arc, they absolutely were in real danger, and the rest of the girls reacted appropriately once they relealized it -- up to that point they'd thought it wasn't anything that could actually be harmful, but once the other ship started shooting all of them except for Marika and Chiaki got scared... if one of those shots had hit them, as it certainly could, they'd have been in a lot of trouble.
The same thing can be said for the space fight. There was never any real danger ever. It had been established that the pirate ships from both girls were waiting and watching, and that the hacking was ineffective. There wasn't a buildup, and there wasn't a release. Any of those moments were rather flat. I think as an LN it's great, but it definitely does not translate well to anime at all.
Marika, of course, calmly figured out what to do and won the fight, but there was definite danger. The buildup from the initial cyber-attack to the final battle were done very well, as the tension slowly built...
If you're talking about something on the Bentenmaru, what you're saying there would make even less sense, of course.
This is all true, but while its style is different, Space Pirates also does a good job of making a slow pace work brilliantly. But yeah, with Texhnolyze at least you're right.
Now Texhnolyze is a great example of a balance of world-building, tension, release, and great pacing. A lot of the world is explained as the show goes on through the character interactions and actions, and rarely did the show ever stop to read you a manual on what's going on. You see what each faction stands for through their actions, you understand the technology through the rehab and its use, and you get a grasp for the world because the characters traverse through it and let the imagery explain everything while their own interactions take a front-seat, managing to present and progress simultaneously.
There have been plenty of moments in the show which make good use of the visual medium, though -- Marika's first spacewalk and the scene that follows (one of my favorite parts of the eps 2-5 arc), for instance, or more recently, the tense, creaky journey through the space storms and rival fleet threats in ep. 11. The show has great visuals when it wants to, or when they have the budget for it or something. It is often slower and character-focused, but it's almost all done very well, so that's not a problem at all.
It doesn't make for captivating anime though. Where as in the novels you can have as much time as you want, and let a lot of the world building happen through the reader's interpretations, an anime has the advantage of... well, being an anime. If there's one thing I could say about the show is that it fails to make any use of the advantages it has now being in a primarily visual medium. There's lots about worlds you can explain through imagery, but the show falls flat when it comes to using that effectively to convey any kind of plot at all.
I don't know how good the novels are though, I haven't read them. Oh, and as for my complaints about the show, as I've said before I don't like the blatantly anime element of her of course working at a maid cafe (classy-style one, sure, but still a maid cafe), and that Marika's a somewhat generic protagonist. Also, while I and everyone else have often compared it to Star Trek, it is slower than Star Trek, and much more serial as opposed to episodic. I think the style works great almost all of the time, but it is a difference.
I watched about half of Nadesico years ago, and thought it was alright to good, but not incredibly great, and obviously not quite interesting enough to stick with and finish... maybe I'll go back sometime, I'm not sure. The two series are very different, though -- that's a harem action sci-fi show, while this is something quite different from that, classier and with a better plot and without Nadesico's definite tonal dissonance (or harem elements and generic action/mecha focus). I'm not much of a mecha fan, but love scifi shows like Star Trek, so I think it's fantastic that Bodacious Space Pirates is a much more Star Trek-ish sci-fi show, instead of yet another probably boring mecha series (not talking about Nadesico in specific there, just generally).
I think something i've been watching recently that does this effectively is Martian Successor Nadesico. They have the mechs, gravity-beam canon, computer AI, the Nadesico itself, and the daily tech used by the crew. All of it is effortlessly explained across the entirety of the show (i'm on episode 22 now); gives a solid amount of technobabble explaining the mechanics and theory of the weapons, ships, mechs and planetary habitation; establishes world/galactic relations and cultural phenomena in the present day society; and even presents a large cast of characters, their motives, their feelings, and the relationships between all of them on the ship. All of this is so effortlessly done and moves at an incredible pace for the amount of content in there, and show doesn't suffer in any way for it while delivering an experience with everything you love about Moretsu Pirates while significantly advancing tons and tons of these elements in the show.
Nadesico makes the cast compelling, the technology compelling, the galactic relations compelling, and overall just integrate everything so well through visual and spoken presentation.
On the note of my issues with the show, I do find the fact that the ship requires a child of teh captain to be captain to be one of its problems, yes. Classic Carribean pirate captains were very definitely not things to be inherited; indeed, it was usually an elected office. And yet here while otherwise they take the style from that era, randomly it's made inherited. I do find that kind of stupid.
They don't explain the buildup of her particular ability and attitude other than that her mother and father were pirates. There's no explanation for why she suddenly knows what she does, and is more subservient than her subordinates other than that there's a space pirate textbook that she's required to study. They have yet to really establish why she's even needed on the ship other than that they needed a blood related person to inhabit the captain title. The ship can run perfectly fine without her, and honestly it's yet been proven why she's more capable than the far-more capable people around her.
As for her ability, though, she clearly is a very good tactical thinker, which is why it's not just nepotism -- she has the ability to be captain. She clearly inherited her parents' skill at captaining, and it's shown from the first episode that she's a good spaceflight tactician as well. She is clearly better at it than any of her crew members. Less experienced, but with more upward potential. She doesn't just suddenly learn anything, either -- she knows the basics of space flight from the beginning, thanks to her Yacht Club, and learns the rest through study. I mean, she's not doing badly in school now for no reason, obviously she's putting her focus into learning how to be a captain now. There was that training episode with Chiaki, too.
They don't play the grades thing off too lightly, it's been mentioned at length, and times where she tries to study but gets interrupted have happened multiple times too. I'm sure it won't just go away as an issue. It's far too early to say that it has no consequence. I'm sure it will in time.
Her relationship with her mother was never really done in-depth other than her mom is awesome, she obeys her mom, and her mom used to be a pirate. Her grades failing are something they play off lightly too. While it shows that she's paying more attention to pirate studies, it's played off as no real consequence, especially with pirate faculty in the school. Sure, she wants to do both, so she does, without any crazy amount of conviction, and the grades become of no real consequence.
I just can't agree here. Yes, electronic warfare gets the most prominent role in the 2-5 part, but it still matters some at least, even if she now has someone good at it... and knowing how important it is helps appreciate her skill at it too, I would say.
I can agree that it was interesting to see, but honestly the concept is such a simple one that it really didn't need to be such a heavy focus for three episodes. They literally repeated themselves over and over with each episode. I wouldn't have minded so much if it played a more integral part to space-faring strategies, but electronic warfare and the importance of it has completely been thrown away. Coorie handles it on the ship, and plays it off like it's nothing. There's no more real presence of it, and her abilities of it make any kind of electronic warfare seem like of no real importance.