[Derrick01]

iOS games aren't video games.

So going by the rest of your posts on this page, you think games are represented now by Wii and AAA games and you think ios games aren't real games but you think gaming isn't relevant.

That pretty much leaves AA smaller games that you think they'll revive. Games like Binary Domain that just sold about 20k. Seems relevant to me. I don't think Apple can make people care about mediocre games that they aren't interested in.

[Cheebo]

They have only done it once. Say what you want but the iPad is just a big iPhone that can't make calls to most people.

Yeah, that is why the tablet market is booming, and people are buying iPads as a replacement for PC's (if you weren't aware most people aren't gaf members and use their home computers for social networking, e-mailing, and web browising and some light document creation and that is it). And is already outselling the entire desktop market and by 2016 it is projected tablets will be outselling the entire laptop market as well as desktops.

Yeah, just a big phone indeed.

[Always-honest]

Man, you really are always honest.

hehe, i just don't understand what the hell you are rambling about.
Sounds like you have a grumpy bad day and decided share it with us.

If you say: "Video games are associated with Wii and high-budget blockbuster titles while the rest is largely ignored. Apple will change this. "
And smartphone/ iOS/ tablet games are "not videogames" and "afterthoughts",
Then what's left that is ignored?

You think they'll go for the lower budget, well made indy games?
Well, if they do, more power to them. But a lot of those games are also on Wii (ware) and smartphones.

[Zaptruder]

So has anyone in the thread suggested that Apple are going to work with Valve to make...

A HMD to compete with Google's Project Glasses effort?

Because you know... that's kinda the future convergence of technology, something that Valve has started researching and something that Apple would definetly want to get in on the ground floor on because it's the kind of tech (done right) that'll eat the lunch of all other CE devices.

[GQman2121]

Shit won't get real until the they start acquiring studios to create first party games.

[scosher]

An Apple console will mainly attract the casual market and would likely compete directly with Nintendo Wii U, rather than Sony or MS. Ultimately though, I believe it'll be a flash in the pan. There'll be initial hype from the casual market -- a bunch of people gobbling it up as they do with every Apple product, even if overpriced. But then after a month, it'll sit in their living room collecting dust like their Nintendo Wii, while casuals go back to playing games on the more portable iPad. It might end up nothing more than a glorified Roku box in the end that could play some iOS games.

Unless they attract third party publishers, it's going to be very difficult for Apple to break into the console market. They also don't have any exclusive IP's to lean on, the way Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to always fall back on to sell their systems.

[AgentWhiskers]

So going by the rest of your posts on this page, you think games are represented now by Wii and AAA games and you think ios games aren't real games but you think gaming isn't relevant. That pretty much leaves AA smaller games that you think they'll revive. Games like Binary Domain that just sold about 20k. Seems relevant to me. I don't think Apple can make people care about mediocre games that they aren't interested in.

hehe, i just don't understand what the hell you are rambling about. Sounds like you have a grumpy bad day and decided share it with us. If you say: "Video games are associated with Wii and high-budget blockbuster titles while the rest is largely ignored. Apple will change this. " And smartphone/ iOS/ tablet games are "not videogames" and "afterthoughts", Then what's left that is ignored? You think they'll go for the lower budget, well made indy games? Well, if they do, more power to them. But a lot of those games are also on Wii (ware) and smartphones.

Add me on GameCenter guyz: AgentWhiskers

[numble]

Will this be how iOS games play on the Apple console?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubhNg5YHWRM

[Accoun]

This rumor from Cult of Mac got brought up in the thread about Tim Cook Meeting with Valve but a serious rumor about Apple actually building a full on video game console to enter the market against Sony, MS, & Nintendo is big enough to warrant it's own thread: http://www.cultofmac.com/160760/why-...lve-exclusive/

So... Is there a possibility of deleting a Steam account?

[GDGF]

Better start working on that first party software, Apple.



A new challenger appears.

[wiid]

Imagine if Portal 3 iOS exclusive :o

[ASIS]

Finally, hope it's true!

[Raoh]

Hope its true.

And people can't say its not possible. Everyone says consoles are becoming a gateway to entertainment in the living room.

Apple is closer to that fact than anyone with Apple TV and connected devices.

Cheap Hardware and simple family friendly gaming - Nintento
Hardware Manufacturer with strong first party line up - Sony
Software Company with Third Party Support - Microsoft

Put all those together and what do you get?

[AzaK]

An Apple console will mainly attract the casual market and would likely compete directly with Nintendo Wii U, rather than Sony or MS. Ultimately though, I believe it'll be a flash in the pan. There'll be initial hype from the casual market -- a bunch of people gobbling it up as they do with every Apple product, even if overpriced. But then after a month, it'll sit in their living room collecting dust like their Nintendo Wii, while casuals go back to playing games on the more portable iPad. It might end up nothing more than a glorified Roku box in the end that could play some iOS games. Unless they attract third party publishers, it's going to be very difficult for Apple to break into the console market. They also don't have any exclusive IP's to lean on, the way Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to always fall back on to sell their systems.

Thing is, it will likely be pretty powerful and with Apple's godlike marketing you'll see tens of millions of them in the home in the first 6 months. If they then do a decent controller, 3rd parties would be mental to not try and get onboard, just like the Wii. Publishers laughed at it until it started selling truckloads and then they scrambled to get stuff on there.

[Resistance100]

The only way i can see this happening is via an Onlive style cloud service.

[Raoh]

An Apple console will mainly attract the casual market and would likely compete directly with Nintendo Wii U, rather than Sony or MS. Ultimately though, I believe it'll be a flash in the pan. There'll be initial hype from the casual market -- a bunch of people gobbling it up as they do with every Apple product, even if overpriced. But then after a month, it'll sit in their living room collecting dust like their Nintendo Wii, while casuals go back to playing games on the more portable iPad. It might end up nothing more than a glorified Roku box in the end that could play some iOS games. Unless they attract third party publishers, it's going to be very difficult for Apple to break into the console market. They also don't have any exclusive IP's to lean on, the way Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to always fall back on to sell their systems.

Sounds a lot like what I said about microsoft when the decided to enter the console arena.

And so far many major third party companies are anxiously speaking out about anticipating an apple gaming environment.

Epic is down and you see what they did for Microsoft. If microsoft can afford some exclusives, imagine what apple could do with their financial war chest.

Not to mention the indie market is ready for an apple console. 70$ for the dev for everything sold on an apple console through itunes? Without an EA/Ubisoft/Activision to back them.

As for mostly casual market, well, isn't that what sony and ms are after, especially micfosoft with kinect?

IF there is a game crash and apple enters with cheap hardware and games I think nintendo is worst off. They are the only ones I can think of that lack a supplement income outside of gaming.

[badcrumble]

Hope its true. And people can't say its not possible. Everyone says consoles are becoming a gateway to entertainment in the living room. Apple is closer to that fact than anyone with Apple TV and connected devices. Cheap Hardware and simple family friendly gaming - Nintento Hardware Manufacturer with strong first party line up - Sony Software Company with Third Party Support - Microsoft Put all those together and what do you get?

Cheap hardware? Strong first party line up? Software company?

Apple could potentially disrupt the video came console market in a serious way if they played their cards right, but it'd take a lot of investment and effort and moneyhats to do so. They wouldn't just win simply by stepping into the market; they'd have to vastly increase the amount of investment they do into the things game developers need and likely buy/create themselves some quality first party game developers. It'd require a pretty serious restructuring of several of the ways Apple does business.

[Metalmurphy]

Hope its true. And people can't say its not possible. Everyone says consoles are becoming a gateway to entertainment in the living room. Apple is closer to that fact than anyone with Apple TV and connected devices. Cheap Hardware and simple family friendly gaming - Nintento Hardware Manufacturer with strong first party line up - Sony Software Company with Third Party Support - Microsoft Put all those together and what do you get?

Am I reading this right?

[Interfectum]

Uh, Apple doesn't need first party developers to succeed in the console space. If their console App Store is as open as their ipad/iphone store, they'll have tons of support from developers that can't easily put their content on other systems.

[Somnid]

Uh, Apple doesn't need first party developers to succeed in the console space. If their console App Store is as open as their ipad/iphone store, they'll have tons of support from developers that can't easily put their content on other systems.

Yeah but who's going to buy specific hardware for games that don't exploit hardware? The important/popular ones will be ported to everything and anything the devs are able to. For everything else there's a web browser.

[Interfectum]

Yeah but who's going to buy specific hardware for games that don't exploit hardware? The important/popular ones will be ported to everything and anything the devs are able to. For everything else there's a web browser.

A system that has AAA games, b-tier Steam type games and browser style games coupled with whatever else Apple piles into it (media wise) will be pretty appealing to a lot of people I think.

[AzVal]

Hope its true. And people can't say its not possible. Everyone says consoles are becoming a gateway to entertainment in the living room. Apple is closer to that fact than anyone with Apple TV and connected devices. Cheap Hardware and simple family friendly gaming - Nintento Hardware Manufacturer with strong first party line up - Sony Software Company with Third Party Support - Microsoft Put all those together and what do you get?

Cheap... Manufacturer.. With Third Party support?

I am trying!

[Eusis]

Cheap Hardware

Nope. Have you compared the prices of their computers compared to building yourself or other competitors period?

[tinfoilhatman]

woh that really could be a game changer, what an unlikely duo though?!?!?!?

[Raoh]

Nope. Have you compared the prices of their computers compared to building yourself or other competitors period?

Their computers and monitors are considered expensive.

Their tablets and Apple TV came in aggressively priced. (yeah you can get a cheap $199 tablet somewhere else but no where near as good as an ipad) Since we are talking gaming consoles, it would fall in the ipad/apple tv pricing range not in a Mac Pro/Apple Monitor/MacBook range.


That's one of the ways apple made a strong entry into the tablet world, before any real competitors everyone had a hard time delivering strong hardware at apple prices. Even PC iMac clones were roughly twice the price of an iMac when using comparable specs which is why the only company I think could a have a hold on cheap and possibly reliable pc's that are apple like based on history is Vizio.

You have to consider which market it falls into, definitely not the macbook/macpro market, closer to apple tv/ipad.

I'd say pricing is a tough argument when you bring back up microsoft. yearly fees and proprietary hardware brings the cost up. a 4G 360 with an external hard drive at least one year of gold is more costly than its competitors.

EDIT***
Also consider how apple forward thinks trends when it comes to components and interfaces. Apple would probably cut back on a lot of parts, I could see an Apple Console with no usb ports etc. All working wirelessl with internal batteries. Apple doesn't support blu ray either.

[StevieP]

My $99 tablet can view websites with flash. (i.e. full websites, not "mobile optimized" crap)

[Treefingers]

My $99 tablet can view websites with flash. (i.e. full websites, not "mobile optimized" crap)

I'm jealous

[AgentWhiskers]

My $99 tablet can view websites with flash. (i.e. full websites, not "mobile optimized" crap)

Yeah but can it play Uncharted?

[Interfectum]

My $99 tablet can view websites with flash. (i.e. full websites, not "mobile optimized" crap)

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

I hope everything is true except for the Kinect like functions. I hate Kinect. Yes, I said the H word.

[StevieP]

Yeah but can it play Uncharted?

No but it can play Angry Birds HD

I hope everything is true except for the Kinect like functions. I hate Kinect. Yes, I said the H word.

Then you're going to love Orbis. (and by love, I mean the H word)

[Talon]

I don't believe this for a second. Why would Apple dive into a low margins business like video games?

The Apple is expensive meme is stupid.

iPhones are at the same price point compared to flagship Android phones - at times cheaper when Verizon goes balls crazy and sticks $299 on a phone.
iPads are at the same price point as competitive Tegra 3 tablets (Asus Transformer Prime - namely).
AppleTVs retail for $99.

Comparing an iPad to the cheaper brands of tablets - presumably in this case a discontinued HP product - is sort of like comparing a Mercedes S600 with a BMW 3 series instead of a 7 series. You compare brands on competitive devices.

The computers are about $300-800 more expensive when it comes to comparable devices. Some of that is buffered by the quality of the screens, aesthetics, and the customer service, but nobody's ever claimed that Apple computers aren't at premium prices.

Their consumer products are aggressively priced

[Somnid]

A system that has AAA games, b-tier Steam type games and browser style games coupled with whatever else Apple piles into it (media wise) will be pretty appealing to a lot of people I think.

No doubt, PS3, 360 and Wii have been selling for years. What's going to bedifferent here aside the lack of first party?

[OldJadedGamer]

Wow, reading this thread is a big flashback to web boards back in 1994 when Sony was entering the game market. What does a big company like Sony know about gaming? Sure Sony make games but they are shitty Sega CD titles based on crappy B movies. How will they ever survive making a console??

Now lets talk about MS entering the games market. What a failure that will be!!!!

[Talon]

Wow, reading this thread is a big flashback to web boards back in 1994 when Sony was entering the game market. What does a big company like Sony know about gaming? Sure Sony make games but they are shitty Sega CD titles based on crappy B movies. How will they ever survive making a console?? Now lets talk about MS entering the games market. What a failure that will be!!!!

What's more likely is that it's a home entertainment device that happens to fully supports the App Store. They could just bundle it with an iPod Touch as your "remote."

This ain't dedicated game console, but this certainly eats away at XBLA and PSN (and WiiWare). And likely is a better home entertainment device.

[Pastry]

I don't believe this for a second. Why would Apple dive into a low margins business like video games? The Apple is expensive meme is stupid. iPhones are at the same price point compared to flagship Android phones - at times cheaper when Verizon goes balls crazy and sticks $299 on a phone. iPads are at the same price point as competitive Tegra 3 tablets (Asus Transformer Prime - namely). AppleTVs retail for $99. Comparing an iPad to the cheaper brands of tablets - presumably in this case a discontinued HP product - is sort of like comparing a Mercedes S600 with a BMW 3 series instead of a 7 series. You compare brands on competitive devices. The computers are about $300-800 more expensive when it comes to comparable devices. Some of that is buffered by the quality of the screens, aesthetics, and the customer service, but nobody's ever claimed that Apple computers aren't at premium prices. Their consumer products are aggressively priced

Apple is very good at creating excellent margins for itself in what many people see as low margin industries. It's all about the supply chains and Tim Cook is a master at managing them.

[Silly.Mikey]

Well, id say goodnite Sony if this happens. Unless they do one with them that is. I dont think that Sony can compete with MS, Apple and Nintendo if this happens. Someone will have to go.

[Hari Seldon]

This does not sound that appealing to me. Sounds like Kinect.

[Amir0x]

Finally an enemy that can unite all the other console manufacturers. Apple console would be fuck terrible (let alone the implication that they're going to gimmickry route for their platform), as their products always are, so i'm ready if this comes out. I've got years of Apple slandering at the ready

[McHuj]

What's more likely is that it's a home entertainment device that happens to fully supports the App Store. They could just bundle it with an iPod Touch as your "remote." This ain't dedicated game console, but this certainly eats away at XBLA and PSN (and WiiWare). And likely is a better home entertainment device.

I don't think anybody is expecting Apple to do a dedicated console. I think people expect them to put out an entertainment devices that ties into their ecosystem and that includes games.

While I don't think they would solicit first party AAA titles, I think they can garner enough market share and quickly that major publishers would consider putting AAA titles on the devices. In the short term, I would say it would spell doom to the other console manufacturers quest for the casuals. That's a good thing in my selfish view, I'd rather they focus on core games instead of FruitNinja Kinect.

[1-D_FTW]

Finally an enemy that can unite all the other console manufacturers. Apple console would be fuck terrible (let alone the implication that they're going to gimmickry route for their platform), as their products always are, so i'm ready if this comes out. I've got years of Apple slandering at the ready

Except you know that's not going to happen. Nintendo is releasing this year and Sony and MS next year (if rumors are to be believed). To me, uniting means working together. And when all three each have physical hardware that's competing to rake in the most licensing fees, I don't really see how that's united.

I think people should also accept that when Wii was doing the mega-sales, it was the casual market driving it. Same with 360. 360 didn't become a phenomenon until Kinect released and it replaced Wii in that space. In that regard, I do think Apple will knock all three out of the casual space, because none will compete with the master of it.

Which is kind of why I see Nintendo as the only real sure bet out of the three. Nintendo has proven they can be niche and sell to a small, dedicated core that wants the Nintendo IPs.

I also find the whole thing ironic if true. MS originally entered the console space to prevent Sony from taking over the living room and killing profits in a post-PC world. This obsession pretty much blinded them to where they really needed to focus. And in return, Apple became the new leader of the post-PC world. And because iOS has become such a monster and phenomenon, there is the very real possibility they could swoop into the living room and take it over without much of a fight. Irony.

[Interfectum]

Finally an enemy that can unite all the other console manufacturers. Apple console would be fuck terrible (let alone the implication that they're going to gimmickry route for their platform), as their products always are, so i'm ready if this comes out. I've got years of Apple slandering at the ready

Dime a dozen trolling. Half the forum already trolls Apple you wont offer anything new.

[Vinci]

What's more likely is that it's a home entertainment device that happens to fully supports the App Store. They could just bundle it with an iPod Touch as your "remote." This ain't dedicated game console, but this certainly eats away at XBLA and PSN (and WiiWare). And likely is a better home entertainment device.

This is the only way I see Apple entering the space. A dedicated games console is an idiotic notion. Only Nintendo seems capable of reliably turning a profit on the things.

[railGUN]

My $99 tablet can view websites with flash. (i.e. full websites, not "mobile optimized" crap)

What tablet, the TouchPad?

[Ulairi]

Dime a dozen trolling. Half the forum already trolls Apple you wont offer anything new.

There are more Apple fellators on this forum than people who troll Apple. There is absolutely no reason to be excited based on Apple's history for an Apple "game" console. They do not have a track record of producing games, supporting games, or gamers. None. They do not have a history to give you any reason to be excited for this other than you just love Apple (or people love Apple). When Microsoft launched the Xbox they had years of experience releasing computer games. Apple doesn't.

Also, this isn't going to be going after actual games that most of the posters on this forum like. This is going to be about playing iOS games on the TV using an iOS device. Why is that so exciting for anyone? You guys are like Wii owners willing to put up with substandard games because its on your "platform" of choice. If you want the experiences that are offered on the PC, Xbox, Playstation or Nintendo platforms get those platforms! Do not settle for a substandard experience because Apple can design a pretty box.

[Silly.Mikey]

There are more Apple fellators on this forum than people who troll Apple. There is absolutely no reason to be excited based on Apple's history for an Apple "game" console. They do not have a track record of producing games, supporting games, or gamers. None. They do not have a history to give you any reason to be excited for this other than you just love Apple (or people love Apple). When Microsoft launched the Xbox they had years of experience releasing computer games. Apple doesn't. Also, this isn't going to be going after actual games that most of the posters on this forum like. This is going to be about playing iOS games on the TV using an iOS device. Why is that so exciting for anyone? You guys are like Wii owners willing to put up with substandard games because its on your "platform" of choice. If you want the experiences that are offered on the PC, Xbox, Playstation or Nintendo platforms get those platforms! Do not settle for a substandard experience because Apple can design a pretty box.

They didn't in the past, but there's a new sheriff in Apple town now isn't there.

[Somnid]

Apple is very good at creating excellent margins for itself in what many people see as low margin industries. It's all about the supply chains and Tim Cook is a master at managing them.

I don't know if we should credit Cook with that (at least as CEO). In any case Apple's current supply chains where in place long before Cook became CEO which is why margins are good. Apple pays for huge orders years in advance. It works until you release a lemon at which point it'll cost you ridiculous amounts of money to turn the ship.

To add some perspective, it seems like a long time but winning Apple hasn't even been around as long as the current console generation.

[Ulairi]

They didn't in the past, but there's a new sheriff in Apple town now isn't there.

What do you call someone who believes something based on no actual evidence? Why should I believe Apple cares about the type of games I enjoy? I shouldn't because all of the evidence to the contrary says that they do not care. All the evidence points to that they don't mind taking 30% but they are not interested in games. They are interested in making money. Apple fanboys may be interested in games but they are willing to put up with substandard experience due to their loyalty to a billion dollar company that doesn't give a damn about them or the games they like. But, I'm sure gameloft will be there day one.

[Ulairi]

I don't know if we should credit Cook with that (at least as CEO). In any case Apple's current supply chains where in place long before Cook became CEO which is why margins are good. Apple pays for huge orders years in advance. It works until you release a lemon at which point it'll cost you ridiculous amounts of money to turn the ship. To add some perspective, it seems like a long time but winning Apple hasn't even been around as long as the current console generation.

Tim Cook was hired to create that supply cain. That's why he's now the CEO.

[Silly.Mikey]

What do you call someone who believes something based on no actual evidence? Why should I believe Apple cares about the type of games I enjoy? I shouldn't because all of the evidence to the contrary says that they do not care. All the evidence points to that they don't mind taking 30% but they are not interested in games. They are interested in making money. Apple fanboys may be interested in games but they are willing to put up with substandard experience due to their loyalty to a billion dollar company that doesn't give a damn about them or the games they like. But, I'm sure gameloft will be there day one.

All your evidence is based on a guy who ran the company that is now dead.