[MoxManiac]

I stopped playing the Suikoden series after 2, so I'm not really sure how 3, 4 and 5 are- but I noticed that this game seems to get a lot of ire?

It seemed like a really solid SRPG to me; the elemental panel system was interesting and seemed executed well. My memory is hazy, to be honest, but honestly, I have played much, much, much worse SRPGs - I found Suikoden Tactics quite fun to be honest. Maybe I should replay it to see if maybe my memory is flawed.

Just random topic of curiousity.

[Lissar]

I thought people liked it in comparison to the 4th game?

I didn't play much of it to be honest. Not because it was bad, but just because I wasn't in the mood for that kind of game after I bought it.

[Rabbit Clock]

I think most people ignore it because it was a continuation of what most people consider the worst entry in the series.

The game was fine for me, though since IV was my favorite game in the series (really). Loved getting to know a little bit more about some of the characters. The story was stronger than IV's.. but that's because IV didn't have a story so that's not saying much.

[Tguy]

I've never seen anybody talk bad about this game honestly. Seems like most people just forget it exists and continue to talk bad about 4

[MushroomSamba]

I loved Suikoden I and II, and SRPGs might possibly be my favorite gaming genre. Match made in heaven, I thought. But for whatever reason, it just never clicked with me. Started off really slow and it just felt plodding to play. I ended up dropping it pretty quickly. I don't think I really gave it a fair shake.

[BassForever]

As a SRPG it's not as great as other entries in the genre, and it's lacking as a suikoden title, probably because it's shackled to the mess that was Suikoden 4. Had the gameplay been identical but tied to S1-3 it would have been a lot more popular.

[Coxy]

because it's terrible, I dont know how they managed to make a full SRPG worse than the SRPG sections of other suikoden games where it's just a minor part. I really wanted to like it, a suikoden srpg should be amazing to me but it's just boring and unfun, at least give me a castle and 108 stars to collect

[PunjabiPlaya]

I've only played suikoden 1 and 2 and this and I had a blast with it. It was honestly one of the few games on the DS that had me sucked and I remember having a hard time putting it down until I had beat it. Yes it wasn't really a traditional suikoden game, but it was definatly a good game.

[The Mana Legend]

I didn't think it was bad.

I just thought it was completely mediocre, which was par for the course in terms of Suikoden after Suikoden 3's greatness. Seriously, IV, V, Tactics, and that DS game. Such a downfall after a fantastic three-game start.

[BassForever]

I've only played suikoden 1 and 2 and this and I had a blast with it. It was honestly one of the few games on the DS that had me sucked and I remember having a hard time putting it down until I had beat it. Yes it wasn't really a traditional suikoden game, but it was definatly a good game.

Tactics bro not Tierkreis

[gamergirly]

I thought it was a pretty good game actually

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

I thought it was great.

[Wilsongt]

It... didn't? A lot of people said it fixed some of the short comings of Suikoden IV.

The main character totally sounded like a girl, though.

[Aeana]

A lot of people simply refused to play it because of its relation to Suikoden 4.
But honestly, it's not a very good SRPG in the first place, in my opinion.

[cat litter]

The game was fine for me, though since IV was my favorite game in the series (really).

Now that's an unpopular opinion. Suikoden fans can be so divided.

I was gonna try suiko 4 and tactics, but the never-ending hate they receive makes me too cautious.

[suzu]

Because it's related to Suikoden 4 that almost everyone hates.

[Dark Schala]

I like both GS4 and Rhapsodia/Suikoden Tactics, but I may be a tad biased, so...

But yeah, people don't want to play it because it's linked to Genso Suikoden IV, and to get a pretty good character, you need a GS4 save to import in (which, I guess, you could find on the Internet now).

It isn't as deep as you'd want an SRPG to be, but I wasn't asking for much and I basically got something that was FFT in a Suikoden skin with elemental panels. The narrative is much better than GS4's. I wrote this short post up a while ago detailing why I liked it, if anyone feels like reading it.

I also thought that GS4 and Rhapsodia had very good soundtracks, with both featuring one of my favourite themes in the series.

I think the only Suikoden game I outright dislike in terms of being a "Suikoden game" is Tierkreis. Even the new PSP game shaped up to be better in terms of narrative (though I haven't gotten all 108 stars for that one yet).

[Kong Fisso]

because it was slow, ugly and tedious to play.

[Pyrrhus]

Cannons that turn people into fish monsters.

[SatelliteOfLove]

Ranking posts in 3...2...1...

I've only played suikoden 1 and 2 and this and I had a blast with it. It was honestly one of the few games on the DS that had me sucked and I remember having a hard time putting it down until I had beat it. Yes it wasn't really a traditional suikoden game, but it was definatly a good game.

???

There aren't any Suikodens on DS or PSP. I have no idea what you're on about.

[Shouta]

Not a bad game at all, good story and nice interplay with Suikoden 4 but most people are pretty lukewarm or don't like that so they didn't want to play Tactics. I like the two as a set more than I do Suikoden 3 but 3 is the only one of the series I don't like.

[drizzle]

As opposed Zelda, which has received good raps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv5OIvwqkvM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCqX4AEInUs

Oh, you mean rep... carry on

[Jasper Avenue]

Mmmm Suikoden III. I put so much time into that damn game.

[Like the hat?]

Suikoden IV is my second favorite in the series :$

[Tguy]

Ranking posts in 3...2...1... ??? There aren't any Suikodens on DS or PSP. I have no idea what you're on about.

yeah, there's one on DS and it's pretty great too. Yup, I said it

[scy]

Just to parrot, like, everyone else ... tied to IV and just not being that good of an SRPG itself.

yeah, there's one on DS and it's pretty great too. Yup, I said it

It's not a bad game, really.

It just shouldn't have been called Suikoden.

[Dark Schala]

Ranking posts in 3...2...1...

I didn't know Suikoden threads were just like FF threads. :lol

The PSP one isn't too bad. It's pretty average, but I'm liking it better than Tierkreis. (I'm still playing it to get 108 Stars and stuff.)

Not a bad game at all, good story and nice interplay with Suikoden 4 but most people are pretty lukewarm or don't like that so they didn't want to play Tactics. I like the two as a set more than I do Suikoden 3 but 3 is the only one of the series I don't like.

I don't really like 3 much outside of narrative either, for reasons I've stated in previous threads (ex: poor dungeon design, poor models, easy to predict who will join your party, some of the retreads took too long sometimes and while I appreciated different viewpoints some of the stuff took a while, I don't like the battle system, etc.). Compared with the other two entries (which had paths to hidden rooms, treasures, characters, etc), Suikoden III's dungeon design is lacklustre, and was sometimes boring going through. I disliked North Cavern a effing lot since you went through that dungeon so many times throughout the story and during recruitment.

The narrative for 3 is great, I liked the skill system (E to S ranked abilities), characters in the convoy slot supported the battle party this time around, Chris is awesome, and the soundtrack has quite a few gems (but even the soundtrack overall falls short for me -- especially that awful battle tune). The arranged versions of some of the better tracks on the GS3 arranged album, and a bunch of other arrange albums, are better. I still enjoy 3, but not for reasons I'd normally enjoy a game.

[suzu]

Hmm. I feel like I should go back and give 4 (and Tactics) another try.

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I've always disliked 3's soundtrack. It felt so "off" compared to the first two games.

[R_thanatos]

It's just a ok srpg with a better ( much better ) story than suikoden 4.

I can understand the disapointment after playing suiko 4

[Shin Kojima]

I always thought it was bad rep, as in bad reputation.

[perfect free]

I always thought it was bad rep, as in bad reputation.

I was going to say that "bad rep" and "bad rap" have different meanings, but Webster's actually has an entry for "[bad] rap" as "a negative and often undeserved reputation or charge". So I guess you could use either one.

On topic, I tried to play this game three or four times and was always put off (read: to sleep) by the plodding intro and the stiff cardboard unit models. I'd pop it back in the PS2 for another try, but I finally gave my copy away a few months ago.

[Tguy]

I always thought it was bad rep, as in bad reputation.

didn't even notice the a. My mind automatically placed the e lol.

[MoxManiac]

I wasn't trying to say it was a top tier SRPG in any way; I just think it was decent SRPG with an interesting mechanic. Like I said, i've played far worse. Stella Deus comes to mind.

[Gunloc]

Suikoden Tactics is a good game. It actually makes Suikoden IV better, which is a feat in itself. (Not that I hate IV, it's just very mediocre.) Is it an AMAZING SRPG? No. But it does have it's merits and I did enjoy playing it. And even though the ending was crazy rushed and pretty sloppy, at least it actually contributed to the the Suikoden mythos. I'd take another Suikoden Tactics (or Suikoden IV even) over a Tierkreis, anyday.

Pro Tip: Suikoden IV and Tactics should always be played in tandem for a more fulfilling and enjoyable experience.

[Nirolak]

I always thought it was bad rep, as in bad reputation.

didn't even notice the a. My mind automatically placed the e lol.

This will help it make sense: http://shadesbreath.hubpages.com/hub...ap-or-Bad-Wrap

[TheYanger]

Did so many people really not know that a 'bad rap' was a thing? O_o I feel like this should be in the mind-blowing secrets thread.

[Augemitbutter]

suiko tactics is a good game, even better if you play it after suiko 4. S ranking missions was necessary if you wanted to get the better stuff, or even additional party members? music is great, the artwork for new and returning characters got improved. you won't get very far if you don't utilize the elemental panel system, optional missions can be challenging. i could never warm up to the story or some of the voice acting though.....

The main character totally sounded like a girl, though.

that's because she is girl :( really bothered me. it's the biggest gripe i had with the game.

[Night_Trekker]

I stopped playing the Suikoden series after 2, so I'm not really sure how 3, 4 and 5 are- but I noticed that this game seems to get a lot of ire?

Thread derail: wtf?! Suikoden 5 is godly!

Anyway, never did play Tactics. It's plentiful and always cheap used, so I've always waited to grab it.

[encephalon]

If I remember correctly, the focus on elements gave it an interesting strategic edge.

[Shin Kojima]

This will help it make sense: http://shadesbreath.hubpages.com/hub...ap-or-Bad-Wrap

Thank you.