[Phonomezer]

Hell is a Database Error.

[PJV3]

What language do they use in hell/heaven?, i'm not very good at learning languages, so it would be convenient if they use English. I am going to be fucked if it is Urdu or something.

[SuperEpicMan]

What language do they use in hell/heaven?, i'm not very good at learning languages, so it would be convenient if they use English. I am going to be fucked if it is Urdu or something.

I think it would be the language of thought, I was reading about solipsism and one of the arguments against it was how many different languages exist but if it were all in your mind, there is no such thing as language.

[Crunched]

What language do they use in hell/heaven?, i'm not very good at learning languages, so it would be convenient if they use English. I am going to be fucked if it is Urdu or something.

Well look at it this way: you'll have a long time to learn.

Hell for me would probably be listening to country music for eternity, while not being able to eat or sleep, sitting in my own excretion, skinless, watching naked beautiful women writhe in ecstasy, knowing i'll never be able to reach them, with worms crawling up my dick.

Man, not being able to turn off country music. I shudder at the thought.

[Captain_Spanky]

I'm not religious in the slightest but Drag Me To Hell scared the living shit out of me. Excellent depiction of the traditional version of hell.

[Conciliator]

Hmm, sure is hard to fathom. Eternal empty consciousness does not sound like the worst possible of all worlds, like others have said, but what does that mean? If you're thinking, you're changing. Every though, you're now a different person; the person from before didn't have that exact thought in that context. So you're changing; you're changing in that eternal nothingness. Anything could happen in 1000, 100K, a billion years in your mind. Do you still have synapses/neurons? If not, who's to say your mind is not limitless? If you do, well then your brain is physically changing, so it's not really nothingness. The physical pain thing is even weirder. I don't even know where to start there. So demons are stabbing my eyeballs out over and over? I guess that sucks. My brain's still going though. Is it? If it is, then it just becomes nothingness again. You're just a consciousness that's going to recede further and further into your own head. If your brain does change, then it's just like each time it's the first time is happening, which seems to me to be equivalent to it only happening once, from your perspective. And anyway, since this heaven/hell system is cruel/unjust/horrific/tyrannical, I could always hope for a revolution. I mean, doesn't Satan want God's spot? It's that the whole issue? Why is he torturing us, we could be allies. I'm with him, I'm sick of God's BS, let's overthrow the system. What's his motivation in all this now? Anyway, I am an open and confident dissident of God's tyranny(he doesn't exist obv, but for the sake of this convo), and I accept the consequences of that. You have to, right? So, if the universe really is born of an entity who created us so that he could torture us, I defy his rule, and I accept whatever those consequences may be, because I have to believe that there can be a just universe.

What the hell? Was I high when I wrote this?

[PJV3]

I think it would be the language of thought, I was reading about solipsism and one of the arguments against it was how many different languages exist but if it were all in your mind, there is no such thing as language.

Weird, so Eastwood in Firefox was wasting his time with 'think in Russian', i don't mind where i go now.

Well look at it this way: you'll have a long time to learn.

My wife has tried to teach me Swahili and Punjabi, in 20 years i've picked up about 20 words. Eternity is so depressing when i think about it. 100,000,000,000 years will be nothing.

[Darkmakaimura]

What language do they use in hell/heaven?, i'm not very good at learning languages, so it would be convenient if they use English. I am going to be fucked if it is Urdu or something.

Enochian (Heaven): The language of Angels.

Demonic (Hell): The name speaks for itself.

[Forkball]

Dammit guys, don't give the devil any ideas!

[Like the hat?]

first reply makes a good argument imo.

[BowieZ]

Life is Hell.

Correction:

Life is Heaven AND Hell.

[Sadsic]

Hell is nothing
Heaven is something

[lethial]

I always envision Hell like the brothel in Beetlejuice. Can't wait to party with some devil chicks.

[george_us]

Allow me to add that despite my ramblings I'm not entirely sure I'm a "believer" but I do find the notion of a god comforting even if he allows terrible shit to happen.

This describes me pretty well.

[RawkHawk2010]

Hell would be a happening place with all those sinners. Plus, you get to experience extreme bdsm without dying.

Now if only the devil is a goddess... *snicker*

Hey, who knows!

[jaxword]

Hell is a place where you are given the illusion of freedom but you are really controlled by rich, powerful old men who could kill you instantly if they wanted but do not because you unknowingly serve them and make them richer every single day.

Hell is where the idiots and assholes rise to the top of society to rule, and kindness and compassion are weaknesses.

Hell is a world where good people are punished and bad people are rewarded for their selfishness, cruelty and willingness to screw over everyone else.

[LOCK]

Being forced to play Duke Nukem Forever, forever.

[slit]

We're already in hell! We just don't remember being judged. We're all a bunch of wasteful evil sinners who deserve to be trapped in an never ending cycle of yearnings. You don't really think god would allow this blue dirt ball, that's full of fail, to continue on without interfering.

[BosSin]

The hell that has been described to me sounds terrifying: from what I remember, one aspect of it is being set on fire but at a constantly changing temperature, which is also much hotter than anything which can be experienced during life (probably means hotter than the sun)

[Kilrogg]

The Greeks have the right idea: an eternity of an unfinishable dull task. Add a feeling of eternally disappointed near-satisfaction (think Sisyphus' boulder rolling back down when it's reached the top of the hill) and then that's really Hell.

Oddly enough I think it's harder to define Heaven. Hell feels much more concrete (not to mention esthetically stimulating - see the pics posted in the thread), whereas Heaven, like perfection, relies on an abstract notion that we "puny" humans can barely conceive with our limited consciousness.

[replicashooter]

We're already there.

Think about it, the good die young (early release from fleshy prison), the just get screwed and the criminals rule the roost (reign in hell than serve in heaven) and live long and prosperous lives.

That combined with the fact that you must destroy something else to keep your own method of locomotive digestion going and the niggling way your desires are never quite truly satiated.

Hell is the inability to be your authentic self, 100% of the time and from that perspective I'll let you make up your own mind.

[steviedisco]

I don't understand it but I think it's something to do with duality. Assuming there is a place where you can get close to God (heaven) there must also be a place where you can get pretty far from God (hell).

I suffer with frequent psychosis due to my bipolar disorder and this sort of thing has eaten me alive. Now, I'm an atheist but even just the minute possibility coupled with a brain going haywire has caused me lots of problems in the past. I'm over the worst of it now, but my advice is to avoid watching too many horror films/books (even Matrix/1984) etc in case you are mentally ill at some point - you're just giving your brain fuel when it least wants it.

[Bamelin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBu5V...e_gdata_player


Around 2 minutes in

[Dilly]

If a conservative religious mindset is what gets you in heaven, that would be the place most closely resembling a hell for me.

[jaxword]

We're already there. Think about it, the good die young (early release from fleshy prison), the just get screwed and the criminals rule the roost (reign in hell than serve in heaven) and live long and prosperous lives. That combined with the fact that you must destroy something else to keep your own method of locomotive digestion going and the niggling way your desires are never quite truly satiated. Hell is the inability to be your authentic self, 100% of the time and from that perspective I'll let you make up your own mind.

Did you happen to read my post above?

[DemonNite]

it will probably look like this

[replicashooter]

Did you happen to read my post above?

Missed that one because I, like most people, use the internet as my personal ventilation area ans thus only care about what I say whilst skimming everyone elses output ;)

But seriously, you seem to view it as more of a good place gone bad. I think of it as a bad place that designed to look good so the dissonance doesn't allow you realize whats really going on.

Think of it as a bootleg looking heaven that seems close only we have to continually recharge the meatsuits that our souls are trapped in via our ignorance and fear which is what ultimately keeps us spinning on the wheel like a butterfly no quite realizing that we're already dead for this certainly isn't life.

[Petrichor]

The worst Hell is Heaven. In Hell, at least you will get stimulus. In Heaven, everyone is blissful in a mundane unchanging experience forever. All the sins that actually make life worth living, all the excitement, all the adventure, its all gone. Just you and numbing "bliss" for the rest of eternity, under the eternal dictatorship of the will of God. No change, no future, a distant memory of a fuzzy past, and an eventual happy boredom decaying the curiosities of your personality and consciousness into a soft and vague non-existence. At least in Hell, you can still sin, feel pain, desire freedom, want to rebel, and presumably retain your free will. You'd have a better chance of retaining some personality, even if its locked up in a fiery dungeon for eternity. You and your fellow captive souls, united in their desire to destroy the God who felt it was acceptable to comdemn you to eternal torture for not conceding to the whims of a millenia-old book with no evidence. You'd have a goal and hope, and that would keep you human.

First post nails it. I'd rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.

[JGS]

You serve in Mama's Hell too.

[PJV3]

It's all very vague, nobody seems to have any real answers about the basics.
What voltage is the power supply, will i need an adapter etc. If we cant know basic things like that how am i supposed to form an opinion on the bigger issues. Do they have books in the next life?, seriously i cannot comprehend eternity with only arse scratching to keep me occupied.

Red hot poker up the jacksy seems to be a popular staple in hell, Heaven sounds like a fucking chore of eternal arse licking.

[Haunted]

Unimaginable torture. Like, being forced to replay MGS4 over and over again.

Good thing dead is dead and these are just hypotheticals. MGS4... makes me shiver just thinking about it!

[Game Analyst]

Before Jesus died, Hell was separated into two compartments. One for the saved and one for the lost. Jesus spoke of two people who died at the same time and were taken to Hell...

“There was a certain rich man who was splendidly clothed in purple and fine linen and who lived each day in luxury. At his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus who was covered with sores. As Lazarus lay there longing for scraps from the rich man’s table, the dogs would come and lick his open sores. “Finally, the poor man died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried, and his soul went to the place of the dead. There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side. “The rich man shouted, ‘Father Abraham, have some pity! Send Lazarus over here to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. I am in anguish in these flames.’ “But Abraham said to him, ‘Son, remember that during your lifetime you had everything you wanted, and Lazarus had nothing. So now he is here being comforted, and you are in anguish. And besides, there is a great chasm separating us. No one can cross over to you from here, and no one can cross over to us from there.’ “Then the rich man said, ‘Please, Father Abraham, at least send him to my father’s home. For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don’t end up in this place of torment.’ “But Abraham said, ‘Moses and the prophets have warned them. Your brothers can read what they wrote.’ “The rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then they will repent of their sins and turn to God.’ “But Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t listen even if someone rises from the dead.’”

A few things to take note of...

1. The rich man realized there were real consequences for his actions on Earth.

2. Neither the rich man or Lazarus ceased to exist.

3. In the context of this chapter, the rich man’s sin was not that he hated Lazarus, but simply that he neglected him.

4. The rich man realized the power of a persons testimony in Hell: Then the rich man said, ‘Please, Father Abraham, at least send him to my father’s home. For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don’t end up in this place of torment.’

5. In hell people finally realize they need to repent: The rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then they will repent of their sins and turn to God.’

6. If people cannot except the testimony of the 40 authors of the Bible, they will not believe even if a person rises from the dead: “But Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t listen even if someone rises from the dead.’”

[PJV3]

Before Jesus died, Hell was separated into two compartments. One for the saved and one for the lost. Jesus spoke of two people who died at the same time and were taken to Hell... A few things to take note of... 1. The rich man realized there were real consequences for his actions on Earth. 2. Neither the rich man or Lazarus ceased to exist. 3. In the context of this chapter, the rich man’s sin was not that he hated Lazarus, but simply that he neglected him. 4. The rich man realized the power of a persons testimony in Hell: Then the rich man said, ‘Please, Father Abraham, at least send him to my father’s home. For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don’t end up in this place of torment.’ 5. In hell people finally realize they need to repent: The rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then they will repent of their sins and turn to God.’ 6. If people cannot except the testimony of the 40 authors of the Bible, they will not believe even if a person rises from the dead: “But Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t listen even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Yeah, but what is the housing situation?, do we get a choice of clothing?, i like playing guitar,can i keep doing it and do they have Marshall amps?.
I need to know this stuff.

[Game Analyst]

Yeah, but what is the housing situation?, do we get a choice of clothing, i like playing guitar,can i keep doing it?.

Everything that you enjoy on Earth is absent in Hell.

[replicashooter]

Everything that you enjoy on Earth is absent in Hell.

Or present but curiously inverted. Like a tree playing ya mans guts like a guitar (that's a little sprinkle of Dantefication on there).

[PJV3]

Everything that you enjoy on Earth is absent in Hell.

Do we still have to eat, go to the lavatory etc?, does that mean there is a sewerage system?. We can't just wander around aimlessly for billions of years, even i have a limit.
I don't fancy being a non-physical entity, that sounds really depressing. And there must be housing, i don't wish to loll about in the fields like a cow.

[Futureman]

There's a great story in the Brothers Karamazov about an atheist who dies and finds himself in pitch black purgatory, and is told that, as punishment, he must walk a quadrillion kilometers in the dark before he will find the Gates of Heaven. But since the afterlife is against his principles and beliefs, he refuses and lays down in the middle of the blackness. When Ivan asks what happened to him, it is said that he laid there for a thousand years, and then stood up and started walking haha.

ha. I need to read more Russian lit. Those dudes are great.

I don't believe in heaven/hell, but if it does exist, the idea of eternity probably isn't what we think of it as humans. I dunno. I just feel like if we enter some other life after death, you won't experience time the same, so it's kind of pointless to speculate about it (i.e. "OH I'd get used to the pain after 500 years!").

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

Hypothetically speaking if I was in Hell I would probably take it over and make it into my own personal paradise. I don't see any reason why I can't.

[Bamelin]

Hypothetically speaking if I was in Hell I would probably take it over and make it into my own personal paradise. I don't see any reason why I can't.

Make sure you bring a bucket of water with you to "paradise" ...

Revelation 20:12-15 New International Version (NIV) 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

*snip* Make sure you bring a bucket of water with you to "paradise" ...

Since we're dealing with a scenario that involves magic, that would definitely be the best tool for the job. A bucket of water would be severely inadequate.

[Bamelin]

Since we're dealing with a scenario that involves magic, that would definitely be the best tool for the job. A bucket of water would be severely inadequate.

lol I'll admit the above depiction is belief dependent =) I apologize if I sounded snippy.

The truth is many Christian churches have chosen to gloss over Revelations. In the old days fire and brimstone was a key part of most churches message. Judging God has been replaced with Loving God ... the reality is that God is both but Judging God doesn't play well to the modern church going crowd.

Anyways I'm going to bail from the thread. I'm well aware of what happens when Christianity is brought up on GAF. The only safe haven on the forum is here.

To be honest this thread was just a convenient excuse to use that pic for a second time today.

[leadbelly]

The worst Hell is Heaven. In Hell, at least you will get stimulus. In Heaven, everyone is blissful in a mundane unchanging experience forever. All the sins that actually make life worth living, all the excitement, all the adventure, its all gone. Just you and numbing "bliss" for the rest of eternity, under the eternal dictatorship of the will of God. No change, no future, a distant memory of a fuzzy past, and an eventual happy boredom decaying the curiosities of your personality and consciousness into a soft and vague non-existence. At least in Hell, you can still sin, feel pain, desire freedom, want to rebel, and presumably retain your free will. You'd have a better chance of retaining some personality, even if its locked up in a fiery dungeon for eternity. You and your fellow captive souls, united in their desire to destroy the God who felt it was acceptable to comdemn you to eternal torture for not conceding to the whims of a millenia-old book with no evidence. You'd have a goal and hope, and that would keep you human.

What you're really talking about is all the dopamine being released in your body. I suppose you could argue that true freedom is being able to experience reality outside of the biological components and conscious limitations of the brain.

[Immortal_Daemon]

The worst Hell is Heaven. In Hell, at least you will get stimulus. In Heaven, everyone is blissful in a mundane unchanging experience forever. All the sins that actually make life worth living, all the excitement, all the adventure, its all gone. Just you and numbing "bliss" for the rest of eternity, under the eternal dictatorship of the will of God. No change, no future, a distant memory of a fuzzy past, and an eventual happy boredom decaying the curiosities of your personality and consciousness into a soft and vague non-existence. At least in Hell, you can still sin, feel pain, desire freedom, want to rebel, and presumably retain your free will. You'd have a better chance of retaining some personality, even if its locked up in a fiery dungeon for eternity. You and your fellow captive souls, united in their desire to destroy the God who felt it was acceptable to comdemn you to eternal torture for not conceding to the whims of a millenia-old book with no evidence. You'd have a goal and hope, and that would keep you human.

You're not describing "bliss." Bliss cannot be numbing, it can only be perfect. Why you assume bliss eliminates change, future, and memory is beyond me. Not that a human can ever experience bliss, but I imagine deep sleep is fairly close.

Your idea that hell involves wanting to rebel and desire freedom is baseless. Prisoners in horrible situations abandon the will to rebel after a fairly short time. And who says there would be other captured souls for you to interact with?

Not that I'm even remotely religious, but I imagine a hell to be something mostly mental.
Imagine:
You die, and wake up strapped to a table, or chair, or something. It's very uncomfortable, but not necessarily painful; just enough to make you want to re-position, but you can't.
In front of you are all of your loved ones, being slowly torn to shreds by all sorts of horrible machines/monsters/people/etc. Every time they die, they reawaken, fully healed, with no memory of what just happened; so they freak out like it's the first time, every time. Each time they ask you for help, but you can do nothing.

[Delio]

For some odd reason whenever I think of Hell (Meaning very little as I'm not religious) I think of a exact copy of our world. Only you know people serving demons.

[SquiddyCracker]

The worst Hell is Heaven. In Hell, at least you will get stimulus. In Heaven, everyone is blissful in a mundane unchanging experience forever. All the sins that actually make life worth living, all the excitement, all the adventure, its all gone. Just you and numbing "bliss" for the rest of eternity, under the eternal dictatorship of the will of God. No change, no future, a distant memory of a fuzzy past, and an eventual happy boredom decaying the curiosities of your personality and consciousness into a soft and vague non-existence. At least in Hell, you can still sin, feel pain, desire freedom, want to rebel, and presumably retain your free will. You'd have a better chance of retaining some personality, even if its locked up in a fiery dungeon for eternity. You and your fellow captive souls, united in their desire to destroy the God who felt it was acceptable to comdemn you to eternal torture for not conceding to the whims of a millenia-old book with no evidence. You'd have a goal and hope, and that would keep you human.

Good post you got there.
I kinda agree with you, from what I know - there isn't really such a thing as hell in Christianity and some jews even think that heaven is non-existence.

[Wazzim]

Being a slave would be hell for me.

[IceCold]

Most of us are sinners and if Hell exists would be going there (according to Abrahamic religion). So I'd rather go to Hell where most of my friends and family are than being alone in Heaven thinking about how my loved ones are suffering.

[JGS]

Most of us are sinners and if Hell exists would be going there (according to Abrahamic religion). So I'd rather go to Hell where most of my friends and family are than being alone in Heaven thinking about how my loved ones are suffering.

Even if Abrahamic religion says everyone goes to hell (Including Jesus), that doesn't mean there is a sufficient description of it. Basically hell isn't suffering anyway and that's exactly where you're going good or bad.

That said, i never quite got the notion that people would be thnking constantly about their dead loved ones when they don't do that now with the knowledge their loved ones are going to die. There is a mourning period and then you move on with your life.

[BeesEight]

Ha, have fun suckers, I'm going to be one with the universe when I transcend this life of suffering, craving and aversion. Hell is endless reincarnation on this planet.

[apana]

lol I'll admit the above depiction is belief dependent =) I apologize if I sounded snippy. The truth is many Christian churches have chosen to gloss over Revelations. In the old days fire and brimstone was a key part of most churches message. Judging God has been replaced with Loving God ... the reality is that God is both but Judging God doesn't play well to the modern church going crowd. Anyways I'm going to bail from the thread. I'm well aware of what happens when Christianity is brought up on GAF. The only safe haven on the forum is here. To be honest this thread was just a convenient excuse to use that pic for a second time today.

Kind of interesting that you link to a thread talking about hope, faith, and infinite love.