[plc268]

If they're going to stick with the same dualshock design, then they should contract the design out to logitech and have them do it.



That's a pc controller only, but it feels much better in the hand, and its triggers resemble a 360 style trigger, not the mushy crap the DS3 has.

[WillyFive]

The CCPro has some good stuff going on, except for THOSE STICK GATES. Seriously, why force players into a set number of directions? so weird.

That's a good thing. In controllers that don't have those ridges (like the Dual Shock) it is never easy to walk in a straight direction because there is nothing to keep it in place. It made a lot of games a lot harder than it should have been (like Sonic Generations for example).

Going by that logic the right stick is in the wrong place in both controllers.

If you only played FPS, then yes. But then again, analog control in itself is not the best solution for aiming.

I've always felt the GameCube had the best face buttons because I always knew what I was hitting without looking. Both color and physical shape helped with intuitive controls, while the PS controller is just circles with graphics of shapes. Also, after more than a decade I can still never remember what shape is where. I always find myself peaking down to see.

It would be nice to have a new controller that doesn't use the 20 year-old face button placement. In the advancement of making controllers more intuitive and comfortable to use, for some reason most controllers still use the SNES face button design.

[schwabdizzle]

[Melchiah]

You don't hold it with two fingers on each side, i.e. L1+L2 R1+R2 all at the same time. Use one L finger and one R finger.. The ergonomics are ridiculous otherwise. Alternate your index fingers or angle them. Sometimes you can get separate fingers on both L1 and L2 (or R1 and R2), but you shouldn't have all four at the same time *all* the time. Leverage sucks with hands positioned that way.

Many games have used all the four shoulder buttons simultaneously; SSX, Resistance, Mass Effect... You can't do certain things, and with equal speed, if you're not holding it with two fingers each side.

I've personally found the best way to play WipEout is to map airbrakes to L2+R2, pickups to L1+R1 (or vice versa), and thrust to X, that way you can access them all simultaneously.

That being said, when all shoulder buttons aren't needed, outside firefight for example, I only hold the index fingers on them.

If you only played FPS, then yes. But then again, analog control in itself is not the best solution for aiming.

Applies to 3rd person games as well.

[Arkham]

I seriously mean big. I've got long fingers and it's much more comfortable for me to grip the 360 controller or CCPro than it is to hold a DualShock "right," whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. See pictures on the previous page.

Hmm, my hands are about 9" from base of palm to top of middle finger, not exactly small, and the controller is perfect. That's not to say it (the controller) can't be improved by increasing the size a bit, but I do wish for concave trigger buttons, or a slight lowering and recessing.

[Arkham]

It's really not that hard to do, I've played this way for 10+ years.

All four fingers on all four buttons really affects the grip of the bottom re: levereage. But, if it works for you, great. :)

[Arkham]

Many games have used all the four shoulder buttons simultaneously; SSX, Resistance, Mass Effect... You can't do certain things, and with equal speed, if you're not holding it with two fingers each side.

I know they do, but not at all times, and with a full grip while using both sticks. It's not a good way to hold the controller in general.

[H_Prestige]

The way I hold the ds3 is: index finger on shoulder button, thumb on analog stick, and ring finger+pinky curled around the handle. Both hands exactly the same on each side. Way more comfortable than 360.

I tried "gripping" it just to see what it felt like, and it was awful. Thumbs could barely reach the sticks. I really can't figure out why people hold it like that. And continue doing so no matter how much their hands cramp.

[Melchiah]

I know they do, but not at all times, and with a full grip while using both sticks. It's not a good way to hold the controller in general.

Well, in games like SSX and WipEout, and perhaps some FPS titles, it's pretty much all the time.

[Killing_Joke]

Switch those god awful triggers and i'm happy. But not the 360 triggers. The old L2/R2 buttons please.

[Orayn]

Switch those god awful triggers and i'm happy. But not the 360 triggers. The old L2/R2 buttons please.

They're not going to give the new controller fewer analog axes than the one before it.

[Emitan]

First i've ever heard of such.... Though I've never had pain from using a controller.

Look at the shape of the buttons. Holding them down or tons of repeated presses quickly causes them to dig into your fingers. This doesn't happen on other controllers because the buttons are flat. It's a terrible idea and I still don't know what they were thinking.

[Vormund]

I've been hoping Sony reverted to this design for years. Longer grips, concave sticks.

Just needs better triggers and we are good to go.

[Irish]

If you are either gripping or holding your controller, you can not be playing correctly. There should be no pressure applied whatsoever if you are simply letting the controller sit in your hands. Also, you should never rest your thumb actually on top of the analogues and having to set them below is just as wild. The thumb naturally sits on the controller right on top of the select button making it completely useful in controlling the stick from the top left corner.

Damn, is this bad positioning how you guys keep breaking either yourselves or the controllers?



Also, fucking lol at playing shooters with a mouse. I've always found that to be completely boring. Do you get excited when you click on links as your browsing the web? I get about the same feeling from getting a headshot with a mouse as I do on clicking a link.

[-Pyromaniac-]

Also, fucking lol at playing shooters with a mouse. I've always found that to be completely boring. Do you get excited when you click on links as your browsing the web? I get about the same feeling from getting a headshot with a mouse as I do on clicking a link.

hahaha, just imagining someone acting as if every link clicked was a nice head shot.

[Emitan]

Also, fucking lol at playing shooters with a mouse. I've always found that to be completely boring. Do you get excited when you click on links as your browsing the web? I get about the same feeling from getting a headshot with a mouse as I do on clicking a link.

This is... the best post.

[LuchaShaq]

The bigger hands issue is a joke. I'm 6'4 with big hands, and the DS controllers have always been the best. I think when people are talking about "oh my big hands" they mean their "fat" hands. THAT I can understand. There the tissue-box sized Xbox controllers work best. ;)

They only people I know in real life that prefer the ds3 are under 5'5 both men and women included.

[Orayn]

Also, fucking lol at playing shooters with a mouse. I've always found that to be completely boring. Do you get excited when you click on links as your browsing the web? I get about the same feeling from getting a headshot with a mouse as I do on clicking a link.

Thread just keeps getting better!

[Emitan]

Also, fucking lol at playing shooters with a mouse. I've always found that to be completely boring. Do you get excited when you click on links as your browsing the web? I get about the same feeling from getting a headshot with a mouse as I do on clicking a link.

I play FPS games with a Guitar Hero controller so it feels like I'm shredding riffs instead of the other team.

[WillyFive]

Also, fucking lol at playing shooters with a mouse. I've always found that to be completely boring. Do you get excited when you click on links as your browsing the web? I get about the same feeling from getting a headshot with a mouse as I do on clicking a link.

I bet it's also as fun to browse the web with the Dual Shock 3.

[OldJadedGamer]

I doubt the ps3 controller would get much bigger, there's kids to think about, solution for people with big ass hands are third party.

Sega had it right with the Genesis. They made the average controller for regular adults then sold a smaller controller for children with smaller hands.

[Everdred]

I really hope it's not another Dual Shock, I avoid multiplatform games on PS3 because of it.

[BurningNad]

I want a DS3 with better R2/L2 triggers. Keep everything else the same.

[Alaskanbullworm]

Also, fucking lol at playing shooters with a mouse. I've always found that to be completely boring. Do you get excited when you click on links as your browsing the web? I get about the same feeling from getting a headshot with a mouse as I do on clicking a link.

[Irish]

Thread just keeps getting better!

As soon as you joined, we knew where this was heading. :P


Seriously though, I don't get where the idea of shooting with a mouse = true skill came from outside of the first competitive shooters appearing using the kb/m control scheme seeing as how they were on computers. I truly do think it is boring to shoot with a mouse. Point, click, dead, immediately.

[Orayn]

As soon as you joined, we knew where this was heading. :P Seriously though, I don't get where the idea of shooting with a mouse = true skill came from outside of the first competitive shooters appearing using the kb/m control scheme seeing as how they were on computers. I truly do think it is boring to shoot with a mouse. Point, click, dead, immediately.

What you're describing isn't "boring," but an input method that's actually doing its job. The same basic set of skills, namely identifying targets and lining up shots, is still being used, but you're not fighting the controller and relying on auto-aim to make it work.

[Irish]

I don't know, I don't really view being able to see as much of a skill. Of course, when there are people who can't hold a controller properly... let's just say maybe I'm being a little too lenient. Heh.


At the end of the day, there is zero joy in shooting with a mouse for me, but it can be useful for other genres.

[MYE]

Also, fucking lol at playing shooters with a mouse. I've always found that to be completely boring. Do you get excited when you click on links as your browsing the web? I get about the same feeling from getting a headshot with a mouse as I do on clicking a link.

[Giant Panda]

Why do so many people want more basic Dualshock? Sony needs to innovate if they want the PS4 to be more successful than PS3 was.

[SafeinSound]

Point, click, dead, immediately.

Yup, this is the case with every FPS on PC.

[amtentori]

I don't know, I don't really view being able to see as much of a skill. Of course, when there are people who can't hold a controller properly... let's just say maybe I'm being a little too lenient. Heh. At the end of the day, there is zero joy in shooting with a mouse for me, but it can be useful for other genres.

Using your thumbs to slowly steer your aim to the target and then pressing a button is better???? o.O

If you want some kind of point/shoot type of satisfaction I hope you enjoy the wiimote or at least Move for FPSs then.

Dual analogue aiming is fundamentally inferior. You are specifying a direction of motion to aim, instead of a position.

[Xplatformer]

I hope it's not another fucking Dual Shock.

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As popular as fighting games are, they are NOT the most popular home video game genre. Shooters are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more popular and I absolutely hate using the DS3 for shooters.

The only reason I use it now is because 3rd party controllers ALL have some type of deadzone.

[Irish]

See, I think, in my mind, it becomes more about positioning and planning at that point, which I'm not saying isn't present when using a mouse. I don't know, the instant bam feeling I get just bugs me.

Don't expect me to explain myself. I am clearly crazy!

[SweetTeddie]

They only people I know in real life that prefer the ds3 are under 5'5 both men and women included.

Yeah, I understand the controller is probably too small for the average North American hand, but I really like the quality feel of the buttons (omitting the triggers). The 360 face buttons feel like garbage to me and overall it doesn't feel like as quality a product.

[Orayn]

See, I think, in my mind, it becomes more about positioning and planning at that point, which I'm not saying isn't present when using a mouse. I don't know, the instant bam feeling I get just bugs me. Don't expect me to explain myself. I am clearly crazy!

Not crazy, just possessing a really weird set of priorities. Do you think, for example, that wars should still be fought with spears and arrows because guns are too easy?

[D3RANG3D]

Not crazy, just possessing a really weird set of priorities. Do you think, for example, that wars should still be fought with spears and arrows because guns are too easy?

Yes because spears are more heroic.

/Sain

[Xplatformer]

Copy it completely if you have to, I won't mind, all that will matter is that it has a significantly better controller than it does currently. The dual shock is such a little bitch.

I love this post. :)

Yeah, I understand the controller is probably too small for the average North American hand, but I really like the quality feel of the buttons (omitting the triggers). The 360 face buttons feel like garbage to me and overall it doesn't feel like as quality a product.

Wait, what?

I thought you were talking about the Dpad, which I agree with.


What's cheap feeling about the 360 controller face buttons compared to the DS3? If you mean "flat" when you say quality...ok.

[Aguirre]

Everything apart from the L2/R2 triggers is perfect. The triggers need more refinement, i.e: being able to place down the controller when watching a movie and not having it fast forward/rewind.

small flaw.

[Trojita]

Not crazy, just possessing a really weird set of priorities. Do you think, for example, that wars should still be fought with spears and arrows because guns are too easy?

Shooting a gun accurately isn't real skill until both hands are broken.

[Parallax]

If they're going to stick with the same dualshock design, then they should contract the design out to logitech and have them do it. That's a pc controller only, but it feels much better in the hand, and its triggers resemble a 360 style trigger, not the mushy crap the DS3 has.

I want to like the design, but the build quality on the corded ones has scared me away from logitech controllers.

[Captain Tuttle]

360 controller has painful buttons. He's not the only one to complain about them.

Painful buttons? They're round and smooth.

[Eight Diagram Bat Fighter]

History says they will stick yet again with the Dual Shock unfortunately, but having the Move controller as a standard (like the Wii) will help a lot to give it support.

Unfortunate to who? I love it.

[Raoh]

Also, fucking lol at playing shooters with a mouse. I've always found that to be completely boring. Do you get excited when you click on links as your browsing the web? I get about the same feeling from getting a headshot with a mouse as I do on clicking a link.

[endlessflood]

Why do so many people want more basic Dualshock? Sony needs to innovate if they want the PS4 to be more successful than PS3 was.

I tend to agree with you.

Having tried a boomerang knock-off I can vouch for how comfortable they are so I'm really hoping Sony finally give them a go. Ultimately though I just want a great controller, the actual approach they take to get there isn't as important as the quality of the final product. It needs to be comfortable, solidly built, have very accurate sticks with the right amount of resistance, good quality d-pad and buttons, and triggers that are actually useful as triggers. I've loved the Dual Shock controllers but they could definitely still be improved, especially on the comfort, sticks, and triggers front.

[plc268]

I want to like the design, but the build quality on the corded ones has scared me away from logitech controllers.

I don't know about the corded versions, but I have the wireless one pictured and it feels rock solid... certainly more solid than my creaking DS3.

[Sykotik]

[Arkham]

They only people I know in real life that prefer the ds3 are under 5'5 both men and women included.

And the opposite is true for me. In fact the most vocal (and shortest) of the people I know is about 5'6 and he prefers the 360 controller, mainly because I think he just has envy. :)

[weekend_warrior]

This is how you hold a ps3 controller.



With the index fingers on the shoulder buttons, and the other 4 fingers underneath supporting the weight. There should be no pressure on the palms, the controller simply floats between your hands, with the weight supported by your 6 fingers underneath.

You do not grip it as you would with a 360 controller, you do not wrap your fingers around the handles, it shouldn't matter if you have the worlds largest hands because only the tips of your fingers would need to touch the controller, your palms can be as far or near as needed to be comfortable.

[BlindMonkey]

I love the dualshock and hope they refine it, my only issue with the DS3 are the L2 and R2 and that's mainly down to it fast forwarding when I put it down, I don't play shooters much and they use R1 now so that's no problem.

I'm glad someone else said the 360 buttons are painful cause I agree, they're like walking barefoot on pebbles but with your thumb :/

Stick with the DS stick placement, I hate the way my left thumb is straight when using the 360, I lack precision in using the left stick because of it. Sucks for racing games