[ShadowgeistX]

You can't beat the last boss without the buster power up. So yeah, eventually I had to get it. On MEGAMANX2 I got the power up shot first because of some glitch in the game where you didn't need the air dash to get it. You could do a dashing wall jump and go flying.. I just kind of figured it out on my own.

So out of curiosity, what made MMZ too hard for you? If you can ditch your pride, you could always use cyber elves to buff yourself up. I remember talking to some people about the Zero games, and they'd mention that they just tanked the last bosses while killing them. That kinda made me wonder if we were talking about the same games.

[Aru]

I'm playing the DS version of MMZ1 on my DS Tank. 3DS controls aren't great for this game. So I went back and took my old DS Tank just for it (and Golden Sun 1&2).

Really hard games. Couldn't finished those on GBA, but I'm trying my best to finish them now on DS. Hard, but always fair. Unlike some recent games (Ninja Gaiden and its awful camera, anyone ?).
Also, life ups are kinda rare in this game, so I'm doing entire missions (boss included) with just 1 life.
I remember the last boss of MMZ to be absolutely tedious to beat.

[Tesseract]

[jmdajr]

So out of curiosity, what made MMZ too hard for you? If you can ditch your pride, you could always use cyber elves to buff yourself up. I remember talking to some people about the Zero games, and they'd mention that they just tanked the last bosses while killing them. That kinda made me wonder if we were talking about the same games.

I don't know. Maybe at the time I just didn't have the patience. I had the GBA gamecube adepter, so my hands were not all cramped..which was a problem with portables..

Plus, back during the X 1-3 games I was in high school and couldn't afford a lot of games. So yeah, I played the shit out of them. When ZERO came out I could pretty much buy what I wanted. Distractions.

[SolarKnight]

10 years? God damn it, these anniversaries are making me feel old D:

All 4 of the games are pretty awesome, but I think my favorite is either 3 or 4. Honestly, the games are not really that hard, a lot of the difficulty comes simply from pride since if you want to get good ranks you'll be restarting after every death, having to redo the stage all over again, and because you'd be pretty underpowered compared to what you could potentially be with all the elves you find, which is why 3 and 4 are easier since you can actually use their powers without penalty. Hard Mode sucks though, their difficulty comes only from limiting your power even further :|

Also, screw the haters, the art design was phenomenal. So much attention to detail and great environmental concept work put it near the top of my favorite directions within the series. It's just sad to see the cheaper bastardized imitation take its place in the ZX series that followed it up.

This this this. Haters make me sad.

[The Hermit]

Terrible design. That shit was the beginning of the end for Mega Man, really. Happy anniversary!

should be first post.

[rockman zx]

Did anyone try the DS collection on a DS XL?, how it looks?.

[StarCreator]

against this? hmmm... maybe my memory is just wrong. But I was sure the regular power shot from the x-buster just bounced off, so you definitely needed the xbuster power up in that respect. and then there was the hadouken power up! I think i got that once.

You're correct, but I'm also told that form is weak to Rolling Shield, for some reason.

[BocoDragon]

How appropriate.. I just picked up the collection the other day.

[First Name]

Some of my favorite games. Getting the best rank in all the missions ate up so much of my time. Get halfway through->take one too many hits->restart X20

[Luigi87]

*stares at own copy of the collection*
I seriously need to get back to playing it. Stopped only at MMZ2, but it's so good.

[GoshaDole]

Anyone looking for the Collection for cheap should check out Toys R Us. They clearanced it within the last month or so to $9.98. Otherwise you have to resort to about a $30-$40 price tag for it since it was a low print run.

[celcius]

But... your avatar?

My avatar is Samus from Metroid Fusion lol.

[jmdajr]

My avatar is Samus from Metroid Fusion lol.

oh shit,,,

thats funny

[Etrian Oddity]

Anyone who says they like Mega Man and hates on the MMZ series is an absolute fraud of a fan. Also, the MMZ series has the best art design hands-down in the series.



The way the series is overlooked is just baffling. It was the apex of the franchise.

BTW, how Zero is related to Megaman? When I tried (and failed) to complete the first one I liked to think the tyrant we were fighting was a twisted version of MegaMan (yeah, I know, cheesy as hell but I thought it would be cool).

You fought a replicated copy of X. The true Mega Man X was that cyber elf who gave you the Z-saber at the beginning of the game.

[RoboGeorgeForeman]

Mega Man Zero is probably my most played Mega Man game. I ended up 'S' ranking all the hard mode missions and collecting all the cyber elves, which I remember being a pain in the ass, before I finally put it down. For some reason I don't remember having as fond of memories of the rest of the series (I remember finding them boring), but I may have to come back to them some time.

[K701]

I boycotted this game because the american version lacked the blood/"red oil" of the japanese version.

I mean at least they could've changed it to blue or black. But no, they completely took out a great graphical effect.

[SolarKnight]

You're correct, but I'm also told that form is weak to Rolling Shield, for some reason.

They tell you that it's weak to Rolling Shield because it is.

[RoboGeorgeForeman]

I boycotted this game because the american version lacked the blood/"red oil" of the japanese version. I mean at least they could've changed it to blue or black. But no, they completely took out a great graphical effect.

I was annoyed about that at the time, but boycotting a game over something that trivial seems petty. It looked cool, but it's not like it's absence took anything significant away from the game play or story (plus they were probably going for that E rating).

[BocoDragon]

I boycotted this game because the american version lacked the blood/"red oil" of the japanese version. I mean at least they could've changed it to blue or black. But no, they completely took out a great graphical effect.

Cool.. I might want to track down Rockman Zero sometime.

As an aside, the era of Japanese games being censored for the west seems to be over in many ways. Usually it's the other way around, now... Many Japanese games are censored in their own country, but uncut for the western market.

[KevinCow]

My avatar is Samus from Metroid Fusion lol.

...Which is a handheld game. On the same handheld as the Mega Man Zero games.

[OnPoint]

My avatar is Samus from Metroid Fusion lol.

Exactly.

[Harpuia]

My personal favorite series of Megaman games and I cannot believe it has been 10 years since I first played it! Damn, I need to go pick up the collection.

[Tizoc]

The remastered soundtracks are a joy to hear. The music in the series is fantastic.

Hmm is there a 'remaster' for the intro stage theme of Zero 1 and 2?

[SousedLouse]

So the Mega Man Zero series isn't considered a slap in the face of the collective fandom anymore? Awesome.

I borrowed the GBA games from a friend back when I was in high school. I didn't get a chance to really sit down and dig deep into the game back then, since we played them in our elective classes, but I enjoyed playing them in short bursts. Then, years down the line I picked up the Zero collection, and it was awesome. Almost every game in the series has at least one thing that gets on my nerves, but in general I think that the series was challenging, graphically detailed and well-designed.

Then again, I only cleared them all with Easy Scenario in the DS collection, so take that with a grain of salt. The changes in level design seem pretty tame, though, and the original games seem OK without them. I should actually get back to S-Ranking the games - I worked my way up to Zero 2, but I stopped after the intro stage a few months back.

[Utako]

Just started playing Z1 for the first time this past weekend. I love it!

It's amazing to play a new "Mega Man X" title. The learning curve isn't as steep as some claim if you're a fan of the MMX series.

Looking forward to finishing all 4 games and going on ZX.

[kayos90]

Why are people bashing the Zero series? Other than 4, the first 3 were pretty good and had a solid narrative. I thoroughly enjoyed the series. Zero 1 was definitely the hardest of the bunch. Zero 2 was better and Zero 3 was a bit too easy but was the most fun.

[celcius]

...Which is a handheld game. On the same handheld as the Mega Man Zero games.

Exactly.

What does my avatar have to do with never owning a handheld before? All I said was that I liked the artwork of the Megaman Zero series. I've never owned metroid fusion either.
*Stands in a corner feeling misunderstood :(

[RedSwirl]

No goddamn way. Jesus.

I still haven't finished MMZ4.

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

I think I've only played one of the MMZ games but I thought it was pretty cool from what little I played of it.

I did end up picking up ZX Advent on impulse one day. I have a feeling the opinions on that game were not favourable.

[Man God]

Zero's design went from girl to ladyboy with the MMZ franchise, so not that big of a deal.

[BocoDragon]

Why are people bashing the Zero series?

You know what I think? Zero was just the series that a lot of oldschool fans never made it to, being on GBA and released at a time when a lot the 15+ years worth of fanbase was entering adulthood. They file it away in the back of their minds as "where the series 'went wrong'" in order to deal with that :P It did have radically different animu art, after all.

But the truth is that Zero was the next level of Megaman that people were pining for all through the SNES and PS1 eras.... it just took awhile and many people didn't notice it when it arrived.

[Haly]

Art design was fantastic, simultaneously kiddy and badass at the same time.

[RoboGeorgeForeman]

So the Mega Man Zero series isn't considered a slap in the face of the collective fandom anymore? Awesome.

When was this ever the case? The only thing that I remember people complaining about were Zero's "girly" looks.

[kayos90]

You know what I think? Zero was just the series that a lot of oldschool fans never made it to, being on GBA and released at a time when a lot the 15+ years worth of fanbase was entering adulthood. They file it away in the back of their minds as "where the series 'went wrong'" in order to deal with that :P It did have radically different animu art, after all. But the truth is that Zero was the next level of Megaman that people were pining for all through the SNES and PS1 eras.... it just took awhile and many people didn't notice it when it arrived.

I guess that's one way to look at it. The Zero series was amazing. I definitely think one was sort of out there in terms of game mechanics, systems, and design but Zero 2 followed it up really well.

I didn't enjoy 4 very much but ZX followed soon after and was amazing. Level designs were meh... and platforming was meh... but the idea behind it was pretty awesome.

[Mike M]

I played and beat all four games, but the series never really clicked with me. Penalizing players for obtaining upgrades? Pretty much anathema to the entire existence of the franchise up to that point.

[Gazzawa]

Cool games. couldnt get the hang of it on emulator tho.
was more of a fan of battle netword. Zero 2 had the best soundtrack to a gba game

[G-Fex]

I never liked this series.

In fact I think i'm the only megaman fan who hates Zero from the MMX series.

[KingofSarus]

What does my avatar have to do with never owning a handheld before? All I said was that I liked the artwork of the Megaman Zero series. I've never owned metroid fusion either. *Stands in a corner feeling misunderstood :(

You honestly don't get it... do you...? lol

[celcius]

You honestly don't get it... do you...? lol

Get what?
*scratches head...

[Solune]

Celebrate with the best track
MMZ2 - Departure
MMZ2 Mythos - Departure

Poor design choices

Zero with a hand gun...

It should be a crime, but Zero hasn't had a working buster after X3. But they fixed that in MvC3 /trollface

No goddamn way. Jesus. I still haven't finished MMZ4.

MMZ4 sucks, MMZ3 was the peak.

[SousedLouse]

When was this ever the case? The only thing that I remember people complaining about were Zero's "girly" looks.

It was more than that. BocoDragon mentioned pretty much everything I would have said to lead off my reasoning, although I wouldn't have read into it as much. It was on GBA, and it was vaguely like Mega Man X, but it wasn't actually a series of new Mega Man X games, so the Mega Man fans I met back then (and even some I've met recently actually) consider it to be a waste of money. Especially since Capcom commissioned Inti Creates to develop the series instead of making it from scratch themselves. Whenever I asked people why that was a big deal, their responses generally stated that they were angry that Capcom spent any money on the Zero games at all, when they could have been developing Classic or X games for a 'proper' system. They took it as a personal insult, in fact; if the term 'trolling' (the current version, not the original term) existed back then, they would have definitely used it to describe the fact that the Zero series existed.

Some of this actually overlaps with why most MM fans that I met hated the Battle Network series as well, but I don't want to drudge that up again.

Since you're skeptical, I guess that it wasn't a popular opinion of the series. But whenever I brought it up in conversation with other people I knew, who felt that they were big Mega Man fans, they trashed the whole series. And when I used to lurk forums for tips on the games, I used to see people trash the games there too. So I just assumed that it was the default stance on the game series.

[leroidys]

By far the most consistently good Mega Man franchise, even if it may not reach the heights of MMX, MM9, MM2, for example.

[Acosta]

You fought a replicated copy of X. The true Mega Man X was that cyber elf who gave you the Z-saber at the beginning of the game.

Heh, I see, thanks!

[Femmeworth]

Definitely my favorite Mega Man series. I love the art so damn much.

Terrible design. That shit was the beginning of the end for Mega Man, really.

[Azure J]

Celebrate with the best track MMZ2 - Departure MMZ2 Mythos - Departure Poor design choices It should be a crime, but Zero hasn't had a working buster after X3. But they fixed that in MvC3 /trollface MMZ4 sucks, MMZ3 was the peak.

Solune once again proving why he's my bro in every GAF community I post in. :lol

The one and only thing I will give Zero 4 though, the soundtrack was fucking amazing.

[Junie12]

Never played the MMZ series but I heard good things about them. I was always a MMX fanboy so I never gave Zero a chance :lol

Maybe I'll play this series someday.

[CO_Andy]

Kinda hard to swallow the developer went straight to this after Mega -- NSFW

[Augemitbutter]

these were the last MM games that grabbed my attention. what happened?

[RoboGeorgeForeman]

It was more than that. BocoDragon mentioned pretty much everything I would have said to lead off my reasoning, although I wouldn't have read into it as much. It was on GBA, and it was vaguely like Mega Man X, but it wasn't actually a series of new Mega Man X games, so the Mega Man fans I met back then (and even some I've met recently actually) consider it to be a waste of money. Especially since Capcom commissioned Inti Creates to develop the series instead of making it from scratch themselves. Whenever I asked people why that was a big deal, their responses generally stated that they were angry that Capcom spent any money on the Zero games at all, when they could have been developing Classic or X games for a 'proper' system. They took it as a personal insult, in fact; if the term 'trolling' (the current version, not the original term) existed back then, they would have definitely used it to describe the fact that the Zero series existed. Some of this actually overlaps with why most MM fans that I met hated the Battle Network series as well, but I don't want to drudge that up again. Since you're skeptical, I guess that it wasn't a popular opinion of the series. But whenever I brought it up in conversation with other people I knew, who felt that they were big Mega Man fans, they trashed the whole series. And when I used to lurk forums for tips on the games, I used to see people trash the games there too. So I just assumed that it was the default stance on the game series.

I honestly hadn't ever seen that viewpoint before, but then again, I mainly only posted on Mega Man fan-sites at the time. Maybe the less fanatical fans had more beef with the direction Capcom was taking the franchise at the time.

I never really saw much hate for the Battle Network series either (well, not until it became clear that Capcom was milking the series), so maybe the "hardcore" fans are a bit more accepting.