[Xeno_Flux2113]

Persona 4 Golden coming Fall 2012! Just got an email from Atlus.

Best news all week.

[DangerousDave]

My Vita is frozen. I tried to restart it because Mortal Kombat wasn't working, but it got stuck on the "Power Off" screen. After a while the screen went dark but you can still hear the menu music playing. Resetting and using the home button doesn't work. Has this happened to anyone before?

Have you tried to hold the power button (or power + psn button) during 30 seconds?

[famousmortimer]

Well a direct screen capture certainly shows the game better than an off-screen footage. Everything looks great on off-screen footage... The best way to see how it looks is certainly to save that screen to see it on the Vita itself. I tried and it still looks like shit... Based on how people were saying Uncharted looked so good compared to the captures, i think they are just convincing themselves...

I would agree with you if the captures were at the screen resolution and not blown up. The picture i posted and the pictures people posted in the days leading up to this were atleast twice the size of a vita. Take any console game and blow the picture up 2x and see how well it stands up to scrutiny. It won't.

I also don't agree that "everything looks great on off-screen footage" mostly because I've been capturing video (offscreen) of every single vita game released and the shitty games look shitty in the videos.


Also, Uncharted looks way better than those blown up captures - there's nothing to convince yourself about with uncharted, it's a fine looking game.


That's why on my site (http://www.foryourvitahype.com coughplugcough) I set the pictures to be about the size on a 1080p monitor that the vita screen is. I know not everyone is viewing on a 1080p monitor, but I have checked on my wife's macbook as well (which I believe is 1280x720, maybe it's higher...) and they look good there as well without being misleading.


Here, i'll do it with the image i used last page, and i'll do it with uncharted...




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Having played MK for about 5 hours last night I can tell you for a fact that it looks like the smaller one and nothing like the bigger one.



Uncharted...




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I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that showing an image bigger makes it look worse and showing it smaller makes it look better... but, at the same time, we had a ton of not-geniuses going off of absolutely gigantic pictures of MK and deciding it looked absolutely terrible...

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Enjoy: http://totalrevue.com/playstation-ac...inis-facebook/

Great move from them. Sadly I totally missed the Arctic Adventures: Polar's Puzzles in Christmas 2010 for just liking Sony official page. :(

[test_account]

Well a direct screen capture certainly shows the game better than an off-screen footage. Everything looks great on off-screen footage... The best way to see how it looks is certainly to save that screen to see it on the Vita itself. I tried and it still looks like shit... Based on how people were saying Uncharted looked so good compared to the captures, i think they are just convincing themselves...

Uncharted definitely looked a lot better when playing the actual game compared to the screenshots. During a very late part in the game when you climb up a rope in the caverns, the view looks super nice. I tried to take a screenshot of this because i thought the graphics looked great, but when viewing the screenshot on my PC, it looks pretty bad in comparison.

I'm not sure about Mortal Kombat Vita since i havnt tried that, but it was definitely something to in regarding Uncharted: Golden Abyss.

[dark10x]

I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that showing an image bigger makes it look worse and showing it smaller makes it look better... but, at the same time, we had a ton of not-geniuses going off of absolutely gigantic pictures of MK and deciding it looked absolutely terrible...

While not entirely off base, viewing the pictures at their native resolutions does at least reveal the level of detail present in the game.

If you look at captures from Virtua Tennis 4, for instance, you can clearly see that most of if not all of the detail from the console versions is fully present and accounted for. It looks even better on the Vita itself for the reasons you note, but the full sized shot does properly reveal what's actually being displayed.

[famousmortimer]

While not entirely off base, viewing the pictures at their native resolutions does at least reveal the level of detail present in the game. If you look at captures from Virtua Tennis 4, for instance, you can clearly see that most of if not all of the detail from the console versions is fully present and accounted for. It looks even better on the Vita itself for the reasons you note, but the full sized shot does properly reveal what's actually being displayed.

Oh, absolutely. Virtua Tennis is also a very clean looking game - native res, solid colors, etc. It's the type of game that can stand up to being blown up. I would assume that if you took Virtua Tennis 4 on the PS3 and blew it up to 2x its size it would hold up much better than Uncharted 3 would at 2x its size - but I don't think anyone is going to say Uncharted 3 is a bad looking game.

Im arguing two different points here which isn't helping my argument. But I do agree with you, Virtua Tennis is an absolutely amazing achievement on the Vita - it's one of my favorite games and it's definitely one of the best looking. But it also isn't trying to render what Uncharted is...

[dallow_bg]

I would agree with you if the captures were at the screen resolution and not blown up. The picture i posted and the pictures people posted in the days leading up to this were atleast twice the size of a vita. Take any console game and blow the picture up 2x and see how well it stands up to scrutiny. It won't. I also don't agree that "everything looks great on off-screen footage" mostly because I've been capturing video (offscreen) of every single vita game released and the shitty games look shitty in the videos. Also, Uncharted looks way better than those blown up captures - there's nothing to convince yourself about with uncharted, it's a fine looking game. That's why on my site (http://www.foryourvitahype.com coughplugcough) I set the pictures to be about the size on a 1080p monitor that the vita screen is. I know not everyone is viewing on a 1080p monitor, but I have checked on my wife's macbook as well (which I believe is 1280x720, maybe it's higher...) and they look good there as well without being misleading. Here, i'll do it with the image i used last page, and i'll do it with uncharted... [img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/6987662776_731e2c9416_b.jpg[img] vs [img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/6987662776_731e2c9416.jpg[img] Having played MK for about 5 hours last night I can tell you for a fact that it looks like the smaller one and nothing like the bigger one. Uncharted... [img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7178/6826401688_eab1a565e5_b.jpg[img] vs [img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7178/6826401688_eab1a565e5.jpg[img] I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that showing an image bigger makes it look worse and showing it smaller makes it look better... but, at the same time, we had a ton of not-geniuses going off of absolutely gigantic pictures of MK and deciding it looked absolutely terrible...

The screengrabs are at the native Vita resolution of 960x544.
Your "smaller" pics are at a downsampled to 500x283.

Obviously all games will benefit from being on the smaller OLED screen of the Vita with much higher DPI but to me, the native shots are fair.

[dark10x]

Oh, absolutely. Virtua Tennis is also a very clean looking game - native res, solid colors, etc. It's the type of game that can stand up to being blown up. I would assume that if you took Virtua Tennis 4 on the PS3 and blew it up to 2x its size it would hold up much better than Uncharted 3 would at 2x its size - but I don't think anyone is going to say Uncharted 3 is a bad looking game. Im arguing two different points here which isn't helping my argument. But I do agree with you, Virtua Tennis is an absolutely amazing achievement on the Vita - it's one of my favorite games and it's definitely one of the best looking. But it also isn't trying to render what Uncharted is...

Not true. Uncharted 3 and Virtua Tennis 4 both run at 1280x720 on PS3. Blowing them up to 1920x1080 would yield roughly the same results between the two of them (Uncharted may even be cleaner due to MLAA).

The issue with the Vita games in question is simply that they run at a lower resolution than 960x544. That's really it. The shots aren't actually being "blown up" here.

[famousmortimer]

The screengrabs are at the native Vita resolution of 960x544. Your "smaller" pics are at a downsampled to 500x283.

Yeah, i mixed up the terminology. I know it's at the resolution, but it's not at the screensize.


Kinda like 1080p on my 23 inch monitor looks a hell of a lot different than 1080p on a 70 inch television.

[dark10x]

Yeah, i mixed up the terminology. I know it's at the resolution, but it's not at the screensize. Kinda like 1080p on my 23 inch monitor looks a hell of a lot different than 1080p on a 70 inch television.

Of course. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I still think it's fair to view direct shots from Vita as it does give a representation of what the system is actually displaying. As long as people realize that it will look better on the actual system it's even less of an issue.

[famousmortimer]

Of course. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I still think it's fair to view direct shots from Vita as it does give a representation of what the system is actually displaying. As long as people realize that it will look better on the actual system it's even less of an issue.

Absolutely. If the thread about MK (the screenshot one from a few days ago, not the OT) was about how at that size you can see some problems with the graphics and then compared it to other fighting games with shots that size and it was a productive conversation.... I wouldn't be posting all of this stuff.


Instead it was a couple people posting giant shots and the majority of vita-hating-gaf going "LOL VITA I GUESS YOU ARENT THAT POWERFUL LOL" and "THIS GAME LOOKS LIKE SHIT I WOULD NEVER BUY THAT." The screenshot looks like shit, yes, but the game - specifically while playing - looks amazing.


I guess i'm just worn out by the vita-hate. But I guess that's probably because the popularity of my site will be directly proportionate to the popularity of the vita - so for once I'm actually invested in how it does. Usually I could give a crap about how something is selling or how people view things.

[orioto]

Absolutely. If the thread about MK (the screenshot one from a few days ago, not the OT) was about how at that size you can see some problems with the graphics and then compared it to other fighting games with shots that size and it was a productive conversation.... I wouldn't be posting all of this stuff. Instead it was a couple people posting giant shots and the majority of vita-hating-gaf going "LOL VITA I GUESS YOU ARENT THAT POWERFUL LOL" and "THIS GAME LOOKS LIKE SHIT I WOULD NEVER BUY THAT." The screenshot looks like shit, yes, but the game - specifically while playing - looks amazing. I guess i'm just worn out by the vita-hate. But I guess that's probably because the popularity of my site will be directly proportionate to the popularity of the vita - so for once I'm actually invested in how it does. Usually I could give a crap about how something is selling or how people view things.

But don't worry i'm not a Vita hater but a demanding Vita owner :p
I would like people to stop calling a native rez screenshot "blown up". A blown up screen shot is a capture at a bigger rez, like when we see giant 3ds screens. But here, it's not blown up, it's just exactly what it is. And again, the Vita as a huge screen and if you're not playing with your arms amazingly stretched, you'll see everything. Even micro native rez aliasing in Virtua Tennis, is noticeable.

And about Uncharted, i played the demo and saw hugely awful backgrounds with messy and blurry sad vegetation texture everywhere. I'm sure there are some nice places in the game, and cut scenes looks good, BUT what looked awful in Screens IS indeed afwul.

Now, for MK, that' doesn't make it a bad game. I'm not a fan myself, but it probably has a great value and even with the bad graphics, is probably more beautiful that most of the portable games (outside Vita).

if there is a mess every time a Vita game shows downgraded or unworthy graphics, it's cause Vita is what it is. A high profile and expensive, struggling machine which strength should be "you've never see anything like that before".

[Jazzy Network]

Any news on ps1 games on the Vita?

[jonno394]

Hi guys, Vita's are exceptionally import friendly right? So if I import a Canadian one to the UK I'll be able to sign on to UK PSN etc won't I?

[Kafel]

yes

[jonno394]

Many Thanks, Just sold my currently 3DS for £120 (sorry Nintendo, i'll re-buy around Christmas) and got a canadian Vita for £140; the joys of ebay!

[PLASTICA-MAN]

It seems the minis games offered by Playstaion Access aren't compatible with the PS Vita. What a shame! Is there a full list of minis compatible with the PS Vita? Thanks !

[spats]

Any news on ps1 games on the Vita?

Not really. A PS1 game accidentally went up on the Vita store some weeks ago though, which had custom PS1 art for the LiveArea but wouldn't boot up so I think it's safe to say that it's coming out very soon.

[Mr. E. Yis]

Wait for pics if you have no clue what I am on about and of course do at your own risk. Also beware, lots of dust....I used a kitchen knife but you'd want something smaller if you want to be precise about it.

Looking forward to your tutorial. I'm getting this grip in the mail.



Does anyone know the specifics of the Vita's battery? Is it going to be like an Apple product, where once the battery is dead, you have to mail the whole vita to Sony for them to replace it?

[ElNino]

But don't worry i'm not a Vita hater but a demanding Vita owner :p I would like people to stop calling a native rez screenshot "blown up". A blown up screen shot is a capture at a bigger rez, like when we see giant 3ds screens. But here, it's not blown up, it's just exactly what it is. And again, the Vita as a huge screen and if you're not playing with your arms amazingly stretched, you'll see everything. Even micro native rez aliasing in Virtua Tennis, is noticeable.

I think the problem with the direct screen grabs is that an image with that resolution on a monitor will likely be bigger than what the screen is on the Vita. When I view the direct grabs on this page alone, on my monitor they are much larger (and worse looking) than on the Vita itself.

In this case, I think "blown up" is the correct term to use. The image might be the same resolution as it is natively, but the size of the image is bigger ("blown up") than it would be as shown on the device.

[orioto]

I think the problem with the direct screen grabs is that an image with that resolution on a monitor will likely be bigger than what the screen is on the Vita. When I view the direct grabs on this page alone, on my monitor they are much larger (and worse looking) than on the Vita itself. In this case, I think "blown up" is the correct term to use. The image might be the same resolution as it is natively, but the size of the image is bigger ("blown up") than it would be as shown on the device.

Contrary to what people would like to think, the actual strengh of the Vita screen is that it's so sharp and precise that having the picture smaller doesn't mean you got less details. You get every details, meaning what you see on a bigger tv, you'll see it on the vita screen...

[Wonko_C]

Speaking of Mortal Kombat, I would've preferred lower detail on the backgrounds just to get the characters to have their shaders/specular maps back. When playing our attention is centered on the characters so I don't get why didn't they make some parts of the background 2D or something like Capcom does.

[Plinko]

Not really. A PS1 game accidentally went up on the Vita store some weeks ago though, which had custom PS1 art for the LiveArea but wouldn't boot up so I think it's safe to say that it's coming out very soon.

I still think they're probably holding it for a "surprise announcement" at E3.

[spats]

I still think they're probably holding it for a "surprise announcement" at E3.

Propably.

[KillGore]

Uncharted... vs I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that showing an image bigger makes it look worse and showing it smaller makes it look better... but, at the same time, we had a ton of not-geniuses going off of absolutely gigantic pictures of MK and deciding it looked absolutely terrible...

Damn, the picture on the bottom looks beautiful while the top looks like vomit.

[mr_toa]

Do you guys recommend Daxter? For that price is hard to resist...

Worth every penny - in one word brilliant

[VanWinkle]

These direct captures can definitely give off the wrong vibe, though. For instance, Little Deviants (say what you will about the actual quality of the game) has exceptional image quality. I would love to see a nice 3D platformer using this engine. Anyway, I was shocked when I took pictures of it and it looked like this.



This looks blurry, almost even sub-native res. But on the actual Vita, it looks brilliant, IQ wise. So I do think that these shots can give off the wrong impression to people who hadn't played the game yet.

[Koroviev]

These direct captures can definitely give off the wrong vibe, though. For instance, Little Deviants (say what you will about the actual quality of the game) has exceptional image quality. I would love to see a nice 3D platformer using this engine. Anyway, I was shocked when I took pictures of it and it looked like this. This looks blurry, almost even sub-native res. But on the actual Vita, it looks brilliant, IQ wise. So I do think that these shots can give off the wrong impression to people who hadn't played the game yet.

This is very true. I remember seeing the screenshots from Uncharted when the Vita launched and they looked absolutely terrible. I think the best demonstrations of the Vita are those that compare the Vita to the PSP in photos. It really emphasizes the vibrant colors.

[Man-is-Obsolete]

I agree about the image being "blown up" when posting on GAF. I agree the Vita has a big screen and games running at native res will look a lot better. However, when I view screen grabs here on GAF that aren't Quoted They are like 2-3 times larger that what my Vita screen is and thus it doesn't look as good. The thing about PS3 and 360 games is that they share the opposite problem for me, screens look way more detailed on my smaller laptop screen than blown up on my 50" screen when playing.

The fact of the matter is Resolution is only half of the picture, no pun intended, the other half is screen size and viewing distance. The screen grabs posted here on GAF are so large that the vita would have to be played mere inches from your face to be that size. Just like a TV sure you could tell the difference between 1080p and 720p a foot away but at ten feet away when the picture is now smaller you won't be able to tell the difference. So while yes the screen grabs my be the right resolution they are being shown at a size they weren't intended for. I have a 15" laptop and the screen grabs people are posting fill my entire screen....that's not how big it is on the Vita.

[K701]

Alright UPS guy just delivered mk vita.

Not a fan of games running on less than native res (I thought uncharted looked like poo) but with this game since the characters are animated so wildly and are always moving, it looks like it has no AA instead of it running at a lower res (except for the HUD)

Also all the menus are native res so the whole package looks good. With UMVC3 it felt like they resized the menus in MSpaint.

It's honestly a great looking game.

[chickdigger802]

huh.... with hotshot tennis back on psn... I'd expect it to work on vita. Apparently not. lame ass shit.

[orioto]

These direct captures can definitely give off the wrong vibe, though. For instance, Little Deviants (say what you will about the actual quality of the game) has exceptional image quality. I would love to see a nice 3D platformer using this engine. Anyway, I was shocked when I took pictures of it and it looked like this. This looks blurry, almost even sub-native res. But on the actual Vita, it looks brilliant, IQ wise. So I do think that these shots can give off the wrong impression to people who hadn't played the game yet.

This time i agree, it's indeed more blurry than the real game. Let's admit those screen grab looks more blurry then, but it makes the aliasing problems even worse on Vita.

[dallow_bg]

Also worth pointing out that the screengrabs are all jpg compressed.
Wish Vita would screengrab using PNG.

[chickdigger802]

well... I called up sony for a refund for hot shots tennis... got put on 'case by case review' or something.

Expect nothing less from them I guess. Everything is needlessly complicated lol.

But I guess it's still better than 'no refunds' that's probably somewhere in the user agreement.

It's odd that a game that was known for vita exploit does not actually work on vita o_O.

[Koroviev]

well... I called up sony for a refund for hot shots tennis... got put on 'case by case review' or something. Expect nothing less from them I guess. Everything is needlessly complicated lol. But I guess it's still better than 'no refunds' that's probably somewhere in the user agreement. It's odd that a game that was known for vita exploit does not actually work on vita o_O.

It's always case-by-case. Took them about a week to get back to me. If you don't hear from them in a week, then call again. If they make an error with respect to copying down your email address or something, they'll just pretend you never contacted them.

[npm0925]

What is the reward for getting all of the medals in Motor Storm RC? I really hate the buggy races...

[Man-is-Obsolete]

What is the reward for getting all of the medals in Motor Storm RC? I really hate the buggy races...

A PSN Trophy and one step closer to a Platinum. You also get new cars by getting more medals so there is that as well.

[FireCloud]

The screengrabs are at the native Vita resolution of 960x544. Your "smaller" pics are at a downsampled to 500x283. Obviously all games will benefit from being on the smaller OLED screen of the Vita with much higher DPI but to me, the native shots are fair.

I think the native res shots are only "fair" if you stand far enough away from your monitor so that the image size is somewhat similar in size to holding the Vita at normal playing distance.

Saying the larger images (native res) are fair would be true only if you play with the Vita screen a few inches away from your face.

Even then, the Vita's OLED screen will still probably look better than your monitor unless you have an OLED monitor.

Edit: I see the point has been made several times since the post I replied to. Horse == Dead.

[Man-is-Obsolete]

I think the native res shots are only "fair" if you stand far enough away from your monitor so that the image size is somewhat similar in size to holding the Vita at normal playing distance. Saying the larger images (native res) are fair would be true only if you play with the Vita screen a few inches away from your face. Even then, the Vita's OLED screen will still probably look better than your monitor unless you have an OLED monitor.

This.

Like I said above Resolution is only half of it. Screen size and distance are equally important when it comes to IQ

[Risk Breaker]

Persona 4 Golden on October 23th is a placeholder right? I was browsing VG+.ca and it said 23th for P4G and 24th for Virtue's Last Reward... if true my wallet will cry :D

[mauaus]

Came here to say that Mutant Blobs Attack deserves all your money!
Such an awesome game :)

[CorrisD]

I had a quick look earlier, but are there any Metroidvania style games on the Playstation store that can be played on the Vita, I know the PSP had a Castlevania with The Dracula X Chronicles but it doesn't seem to be on the UK Playstation store which is a real shame.
Love me some Metroidvania, lol.

[Alligatorjandro]

Glad to hear Persona 4 is coming this year.

[Bollocks]

So whenever I connect my Vita to the PC, the touchscreen becomes unresponsive.
If I unplug the cable everything is back to normal!? Never had this happen to me

[ReaperXL07]

Persona 4 Golden on October 23th is a placeholder right? I was browsing VG+.ca and it said 23th for P4G and 24th for Virtue's Last Reward... if true my wallet will cry :D

I saw this too, and it's possible that it is a place holder, but with a fall release window it's also very possible that it's the real date. Won't know until other retailers, or Atlus confirm it though.

[Cudder]

just turned on my Vita for the first time in like 2 1/2 weeks and its still at 3/4 battery. un fucking real man.

[chickdigger802]

It's always case-by-case. Took them about a week to get back to me. If you don't hear from them in a week, then call again. If they make an error with respect to copying down your email address or something, they'll just pretend you never contacted them.

well... got my refund. Took a few hours. not too bad.

Wonder if I can still use this hot shots tennis game that I have on my ps3 =P

[cyborg009]

well... got my refund. Took a few hours. not too bad. Wonder if I can still use this hot shots tennis game that I have on my ps3 =P

that's weird it was said to work, it was even used in the hack lol

Anyways you guys remember that soul sacrifice thing is coming soon

[ReaperXL07]

that's weird it was said to work, it was even used in the hack lol Anyways you guys remember that soul sacrifice thing is coming soon

Sony is having it's own conference on the 10th, makes me wonder if we will see anything else, or get more information from it, because unless Sony thinks this is going to be huge I can't seem them having a conference for one Vita game.

The early art looks awesome, i'm looking forward to see whats up with it personally. It would be great is Sony announces PS1 support aswell, but if they do it would probably be just for Japan, atleast until E3.