Originally Posted by Mitama
Eh? Of course I got it, I even said that the movie is just one big parody, using all the cliches of past horror movies. I know that it's intended to be satire and to make fun of all the overdone stereotypical stuff that happens in horror movies. Hawkian said "it's fascinating to me how clear this stuff all seems after having it spelled out for you" and that took me by surprise since it was actually all very obvious to me what the movie was referring to. That's also why I think it'd be weird for someone to rewatch those movies: you already know how much they cling to stereotypes. Would be cool to notice them on a first watch I guess, but that kinda takes away from the actual horror, it would make you look for the stereotypes and laugh them off and you'll end up not enjoying it as much.
Oh don't worry, I thought the metaphorical meaning of the movie was extremely obvious too. I've actually been surprised at how many haven't gotten it. I guess what we disagree on, then, is whether that message via the metaphor is of any value. We'll just have to differ on it.
The thing is, with rewatching the other movies, that we already know about these tropes. Before I had seen HALLOWEEN, for example, I knew so many of those tropes. Which meant I saw scares coming that I hadn't seen. Didn't mean they weren't scary. In fact, the sense of anticipation and familiarity with the formula can be good, as long as the film is not overdependent on it.
Even the stereotypes can be enjoyable; I knew all of the traditional archetypes of a "cabin" movie like this before seeing Friday the 13th or Evil Dead. But those archetypes can still be revealing.
Watching older horror since Cabin has been good, actually. Recognizing cliches and tropes doesn't always take you out of a film or force you to laugh at the events.
It was clear that they needed to sacrifice the people, but it's not at all obvious that it is to some gods. I had a lot of options in my head for the first half hour or so: maybe they were actually MAKING a movie. Maybe the "upstairs" folk were making money off of this somehow. Who knows. The film gradually reveals that we're dealing with actual gods.
Hmm? If you can't guess/predict something right at the start of a movie, that doesn't mean it's a plot twist. A plot twist guides you, tries to push you towards a certain perception and then completely blows your mind by revealing something you'd never think of. I think it was very clear that they needed to sacrifice them for ancient gods and was really hoping that the ancients would appear (I'm always hoping for a bad ending though) and they did.. They also hint several times that they needed to sacrifice the youngsters or else something terrible would happen (all the other countries failed, it was up to America's team to prevent something horrible). I never saw the trailer so I did like the force field though, but was hardly a plot twist. I do wonder what you mean by "the huge amount of stuff that happened" though, care to elaborate on that? And I do mean plot twists], not just cool stuff that happens like the elevator scene.
And that's the point I tried (and admittedly failed) to make in my other post. The term "plot twist" has been sort of bastardized, and it's thought of as a shock moment now. But the real definition, a change in the expected plot direction, is what happens in Cabin. Because when the possibilities are many, and then narrowed down, that's a change in direction. So when the kids go into the facility and release monsters, that's a change in plot direction.
It doesn't really matter how many scary moments there are. When you have this many funny moments in your movie, it really takes away from true horror and really helps to lighten the mood. Something pretty bad happens and that's alleviated by something funny happening, this carries on throughout the entire movie.
Oh the humor definitely alleviates the horror. The horror still exists, and the scares still exist. And so does the comedy. You said the film never became scary and was only a comedy, I'm saying there are horror elements.
Originally Posted by Mitama
Hmm yeah, I can't really do that. I have a lot of empathy and love getting immersed in movies so too many over the top jokes can really kill it for me. It's also why horror is my favourite genre, especially when they use camera footage (Cloverfield, Blairwitch Project, Paranormal Activity, [REC], ...).
This isn't something I disagree with either. In fact, I'm pretty sure ANYONE loves to immerse themselves into a film. It depends on whether or not certain elements hurt that immersion. The humor in Shaun of the Dead is amazing and involves me even further. It fleshes out the characters and makes them more likable, so when they're in danger I care a lot. It was the same idea in Cabin for me. The humor was energetic and quick, mostly, so the thrill factor was raised.