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Mitama
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(05-04-2012, 12:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hawkian

Wow- it's funny to see a post that mocks what I said wasn't entirely obvious to me, while simultaneously seeming to miss the major thrust of the film.

I'm pretty well-versed in horror, both the dated stuff and the post-revitalization era, and it was very amusing just to go over all these tired clichés with a new lens. You don't have to find the same things amusing!

I wasn't mocking what you said, I really figured you just hadn't seen a lot of horror movies and that you thought it was awesome to read over those cliche tropes and found it surprising how many of them were included in The Cabin in the Woods.

Originally Posted by Hawkian

I'm surprised I didn't include the Texas Chainsaw Massacre on my list of rewatches- that's a perfect one. I'm especially surprised because I threw The Hills Have Eyes on there. Whatever. Cube is a very enjoyable movie but it is not a slasher film and doesn't really belong (if we were trying to draw equivalencies, the "Fool" would be the only one to survive...?). Still, watch it, good flick. Skip the sequels.

I added Cube because there's a scene that's pretty much exactly like a scene from one of the Cube films. You get to see the bigger picture, just how many cubesand possible horrors there are. In Cube the danger contained in the cubes are booby traps, in Cabin in the Woods it's monsters.

Originally Posted by Hawkian

True. What's ultimately great about it to me is that it's not only a genre deconstruction a la Scream (in which the clichés are toyed with but eventually embraced in-universe nonetheless) but a film that contextualizes the actual experience of watching a clichéd horror movie through the fourth wall.

Come on. Who among you wasn't waiting to see some tits at the exact moment Bradley Whitford mentions the necessity for an unveiling of boob?

Taco_Human
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(05-04-2012, 12:43 AM)
Good to see this thread again. I saw it last week. What a great movie. I liked the portal reference.
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(05-04-2012, 12:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by Taco_Human

Good to see this thread again. I saw it last week. What a great movie. I liked the portal reference.

...:O What portal reference?

Originally Posted by Mitama

I wasn't mocking what you said, I really figured you just hadn't seen a lot of horror movies and that you thought it was awesome to read over those cliche tropes and found it surprising how many of them were included in The Cabin in the Woods.

Sorry for being unclear or misinterpreting you then- I didn't find it surprising, once I "got" the movie I just found it awesome. :P
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(05-04-2012, 12:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hawkian

Okay....


Look, it's great that you got it all on spec, but the post that actually inspired me to compile all those links and suggestions was this one:
I know you aren't stating it, but aren't you kind of implying that mik83kuu is an idiot because he or she didn't get it?

I don't blame people for not being as genre savvy as you and I. Where we differ is that I had a real blast looking up all these tropes and clichés as a result of seeing them plastered over a new, hilarious model; you seem to have found it boring. That's fine, but you don't have to denigrate the fact that I found it interesting and less obvious, let alone that some viewers didn't get it at all.

Nah man, I wouldn't belittle people if they actually had very little experience with the horror genre. But I dunno, I think that even if you've seen a small amount of horror movies that it should still be easy to notice the concepts the movie is making fun of.

Originally Posted by Hawkian

Hilariously enough, I think you're actually reaching to draw this comparison

Haha. :D
Yeah, I know why you might think so, but I still believe that the way the monsters have been setup is a huge reference to Cube. That scene where they zoom out and show you all these cubes gave me a huuuge Cube vibe. Especially the way they shifted around, that's just a giveaway in my opinion.
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(05-04-2012, 12:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mitama

It doesn't really matter how many scary moments there are. When you have this many funny moments in your movie, it really takes away from true horror and really helps to lighten the mood. Something pretty bad happens and that's alleviated by something funny happening, this carries on throughout the entire movie.

I disagree. "Shaun of the Dead" for example, while being mostly a [romantic] comedy with zombies, still got few pretty scary moments (although one should define what "scary" really means, because I haven't ever seen a horror movie that would sincerely scared me and left me with wet pants or screaming in terror). The whole "Winchester Bar" sequence near the end of the movie was tense and definitely belongs to a horror genre (mostly because at that point I actually cared about the characters, something I can't say about 99% of horror movies that fails at creating sympathetic characters instead of just cannon fodder).
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(05-04-2012, 12:57 AM)
I too was reminded of Cube with that one shot, but I didn't think it was an intentional reference, since that film doesn't really jibe with the rest of the film and the tropes it invokes.
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(05-04-2012, 01:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mitama

Nah man, I wouldn't belittle people if they actually had very little experience with the horror genre. But I dunno, I think that even if you've seen a small amount of horror movies that it should still be easy to notice the concepts the movie is making fun of.

Cheers. I noticed them easily, sure, I just enjoyed reading about them in a new way.

Haha. :D
Yeah, I know why you might think so, but I still believe that the way the monsters have been setup is a huge reference to Cube. That scene where they zoom out and show you all these cubes gave me a huuuge Cube vibe. Especially the way they shifted around, that's just a giveaway in my opinion.

Well, fair enough, it just struck me as a coincidence. I've seen Cube more than once and really liked it, it's just not like they have a monopoly on cubes in movies

Originally Posted by faceless007

I too was reminded of Cube with that one shot, but I didn't think it was an intentional reference, since that film doesn't really jibe with the rest of the film and the tropes it invokes.

Exactly how I felt.
Mitama
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(05-04-2012, 01:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mr_Zombie

I disagree. "Shaun of the Dead" for example, while being mostly a [romantic] comedy with zombies, still got few pretty scary moments (although one should define what "scary" really means, because I haven't ever seen a horror movie that would sincerely scared me and left me with wet pants or screaming in terror). The whole "Winchester Bar" sequence near the end of the movie was tense and definitely belongs to a horror genre (mostly because at that point I actually cared about the characters, something I can't say about 99% of horror movies that fails at creating sympathetic characters instead of just cannon fodder).

Hmm yeah, I can't really do that. I have a lot of empathy and love getting immersed in movies so too many over the top jokes can really kill it for me. It's also why horror is my favourite genre, especially when they use camera footage (Cloverfield, Blairwitch Project, Paranormal Activity, [REC], ...).

The reason I was a little annoyed after watching this is because I was led to believe that it was gonna be a great horror flick. These days, good horror is just so rare so after seeing "Best horror film in years?" in the thread title, then people saying that they didn't see the ending coming and loved the plot twists, along with it being a true horror movie (as in, scary) got me very excited to see it. I just hate it when I watch a horror movie expecting it to be a proper one and then it turns out to be a horror comedy...

Don't get me wrong, I can definitely appreciate a horror comedy, Slither is actually one of my favourite movies. I just wish people wouldn't pull shit like that and be honest about the genre. I bet this would've been one of my favourite movies of the year if I knew from the start it was going to be a comedy and not a genuinely scary movie. Same with Drag me to Hell, people were hyping that up, I thought the trailer was a bit funny but was still hoping it would be a proper horror movie since IMDB only lists "Horror/Thriller" as the genre. Man, was I disappointed... I'm sure I would have loved it if I didn't expect a horror movie though, because the entire movie I was just thinking "man, this sucks, what's up with all the lame jokes? not scary at all :/" and then the goat showed up haha. That killed it for me.
netguy503
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(05-04-2012, 01:58 AM)
Don't know if this was posted yet.....

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Cabin-Wo...g=bluraycom-21

Love this movie and can't wait to see this in 3D as long as it's not a rush job.
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(05-04-2012, 02:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mitama

Don't get me wrong, I can definitely appreciate a horror comedy, Slither is actually one of my favourite movies. I just wish people wouldn't pull shit like that and be honest about the genre. I bet this would've been one of my favourite movies of the year if I knew from the start it was going to be a comedy and not a genuinely scary movie. Same with Drag me to Hell, people were hyping that up, I thought the trailer was a bit funny but was still hoping it would be a proper horror movie since IMDB only lists "Horror/Thriller" as the genre. Man, was I disappointed... I'm sure I would have loved it if I didn't expect a horror movie though, because the entire movie I was just thinking "man, this sucks, what's up with all the lame jokes? not scary at all :/" and then the goat showed up haha. That killed it for me.

I actually ended up liking being lied to about the "best horror movie". I went to the movie with two expectation: it will either be a good horror movie (after all, GAF wouldn't lie to me, right?) or a shitty generic slasher (it looked like that in the TV ad - the only promotional material I saw). A horror-comedy that plays with all the cliches that always make me roll my eyes was the last thing I would expect. And although I was disappointed about it not being a true horror movie (in the flood of slasher and American "remakes" of European/Asian horrors, the genre is really lacking nowadays) I love the movie for what it is and for the surprise.
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(05-04-2012, 03:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mitama

Eh? Of course I got it, I even said that the movie is just one big parody, using all the cliches of past horror movies. I know that it's intended to be satire and to make fun of all the overdone stereotypical stuff that happens in horror movies. Hawkian said "it's fascinating to me how clear this stuff all seems after having it spelled out for you" and that took me by surprise since it was actually all very obvious to me what the movie was referring to. That's also why I think it'd be weird for someone to rewatch those movies: you already know how much they cling to stereotypes. Would be cool to notice them on a first watch I guess, but that kinda takes away from the actual horror, it would make you look for the stereotypes and laugh them off and you'll end up not enjoying it as much.

Oh don't worry, I thought the metaphorical meaning of the movie was extremely obvious too. I've actually been surprised at how many haven't gotten it. I guess what we disagree on, then, is whether that message via the metaphor is of any value. We'll just have to differ on it.

The thing is, with rewatching the other movies, that we already know about these tropes. Before I had seen HALLOWEEN, for example, I knew so many of those tropes. Which meant I saw scares coming that I hadn't seen. Didn't mean they weren't scary. In fact, the sense of anticipation and familiarity with the formula can be good, as long as the film is not overdependent on it.
Even the stereotypes can be enjoyable; I knew all of the traditional archetypes of a "cabin" movie like this before seeing Friday the 13th or Evil Dead. But those archetypes can still be revealing.
Watching older horror since Cabin has been good, actually. Recognizing cliches and tropes doesn't always take you out of a film or force you to laugh at the events.

Hmm? If you can't guess/predict something right at the start of a movie, that doesn't mean it's a plot twist. A plot twist guides you, tries to push you towards a certain perception and then completely blows your mind by revealing something you'd never think of. I think it was very clear that they needed to sacrifice them for ancient gods and was really hoping that the ancients would appear (I'm always hoping for a bad ending though) and they did.. They also hint several times that they needed to sacrifice the youngsters or else something terrible would happen (all the other countries failed, it was up to America's team to prevent something horrible). I never saw the trailer so I did like the force field though, but was hardly a plot twist. I do wonder what you mean by "the huge amount of stuff that happened" though, care to elaborate on that? And I do mean plot twists], not just cool stuff that happens like the elevator scene.

It was clear that they needed to sacrifice the people, but it's not at all obvious that it is to some gods. I had a lot of options in my head for the first half hour or so: maybe they were actually MAKING a movie. Maybe the "upstairs" folk were making money off of this somehow. Who knows. The film gradually reveals that we're dealing with actual gods.

And that's the point I tried (and admittedly failed) to make in my other post. The term "plot twist" has been sort of bastardized, and it's thought of as a shock moment now. But the real definition, a change in the expected plot direction, is what happens in Cabin. Because when the possibilities are many, and then narrowed down, that's a change in direction. So when the kids go into the facility and release monsters, that's a change in plot direction.

It doesn't really matter how many scary moments there are. When you have this many funny moments in your movie, it really takes away from true horror and really helps to lighten the mood. Something pretty bad happens and that's alleviated by something funny happening, this carries on throughout the entire movie.

Oh the humor definitely alleviates the horror. The horror still exists, and the scares still exist. And so does the comedy. You said the film never became scary and was only a comedy, I'm saying there are horror elements.

Originally Posted by Mitama

Hmm yeah, I can't really do that. I have a lot of empathy and love getting immersed in movies so too many over the top jokes can really kill it for me. It's also why horror is my favourite genre, especially when they use camera footage (Cloverfield, Blairwitch Project, Paranormal Activity, [REC], ...).

This isn't something I disagree with either. In fact, I'm pretty sure ANYONE loves to immerse themselves into a film. It depends on whether or not certain elements hurt that immersion. The humor in Shaun of the Dead is amazing and involves me even further. It fleshes out the characters and makes them more likable, so when they're in danger I care a lot. It was the same idea in Cabin for me. The humor was energetic and quick, mostly, so the thrill factor was raised.
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(05-04-2012, 09:02 AM)
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WTF i just found out that it's basically getting released straight to dvd here in Australia. It has a short run in just 2 cinemas in the whole country come June 14. I'm thankful one of those cinemas is in Sydney (even if it's a fair bit out of my way), but i'm still pissed for all the other cities that aren't so lucky.
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(05-04-2012, 11:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by netguy503

Don't know if this was posted yet.....

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Cabin-Wo...g=bluraycom-21

Love this movie and can't wait to see this in 3D as long as it's not a rush job.

Oh, it'll be shit.
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(05-04-2012, 11:58 AM)
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I enjoyed the film well enough, but for me the scares weren't there - the most alarming moment was when the titles slam up on the screen right at the start, and while the scene where Thor tries to jump the gorge elicited shock from most of the audience, me and my friend just burst out laughing. I thought it was well written and funny, engaging throughout, with some really inventive and clever ideas, but a lot of that detracted from the tension and sense of unease that the film only managed to achieve on one or two occasions.
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(05-04-2012, 12:37 PM)
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I think the thing that I love most about this film is how it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. It starts with a few teenagers going to the woods where they're inevitably going to get stabbed and shit. It ends with the world ending.
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(05-05-2012, 12:27 AM)
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Just got back from seeing it without knowing anything. Gotta say it is one of the most fun movies I have seen in ages. What a ride.
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Just watched this movie in the theatre. Good stuff!
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(05-05-2012, 11:44 PM)
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just got back

enjoyed it, except it wasn't scary, so i was a little disappointed in that but it's all good since i now consider this a gory sci-fi action movie!

good stuff though, i shall rate it a 7.8

:)
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(05-06-2012, 01:03 AM)
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Just saw it and really enjoyed it. I can barely sit through most horror movies so I was thankful that the first half of the movie never got too fucked up, or had too many jump scares.

I've read the whole thread except the last page or two. After thinking about it for a bit, I don't really buy the interpretation that the Old Gods are the movie execs. I think:
The Old Gods are the audience. They are the one that everyone else involved in the operation is trying to please. I think the comments by the two guys in the control room imply this. The line one of them has, "remember when you could just throw a girl into a volcano?" was trying to drive home the movies point that horror movies have eschewed becoming more creative, and instead have just focused on making movies that are increasingly more violent and convoluted, resulting in the pretty ridiculous scenario the movie shows. I believe at some point one of the control room guys says something like, "we've got to keep the customers(or the audience, I forget what word he used) happy."

"The People upstairs" or Signourney Weaver's character are the studio executives. They don't ever seem to get involved in the proceedings, or care what the staff does, unless things go wrong(i.e. the horror movie loses the studio a ton of money). I think this is shown when Sigourney Weaver shows up literally in the last 2 minutes of the movie and tries to clean up the mess, as well as through a couple of the offhand comments from the staff. Such as when the new guy asks whether the bosses know they bet on the outcomes, they say something along the lines of "they don't give a shit, as long as the job gets done."

The two guys in the control room(forgot their names, if they were given) are the creatives. Director, writer, creator, whatever. They create the scenarios, handle the moment to moment stuff, and seem to be the ones in charge in the trenches. I think someone even posted an interview a while back in the thread where Whedon flat out says that he and the director are the two in the control room.


Also, just a minor nitpick, but Am I overthinking it if I wondered what would have happened if any monster/killer other than the Zombie Redneck Torture Family had been selected down in the basement? It's pretty heavily implied that any of the monsters that were down in the elevator room could have been picked to kill the five people, but everything about the setting seemed like it was designed for the zombie family. For example, the guy at the gas station referred to the house as the "Buckner place", which was the last name of the zombie family, their graves were already right there, and there were even rooms inside the cabin that were referenced in the diary. This is probably a dumb complaint, but if the puzzle sphere guy, or the ballerina girl had been selected, it would have just been that same exact environment with a villain/kill that seemed much more out of place? The only thing I could think of that would explain this would be if the choice was somehow rigged. The new guy in the control room raises that question when he sees the betting. Or at the very least the two guys in the control room know the outcome, but just pretend not to so everyone can have some fun with the betting. This would also make some sense, because they might have know that both Holden and the redhead were able to read latin, so maybe they there was a good chance that would be the thing that was selected.

That's just one of a few minor complaints though, none of them really diminished my enjoyment of the movie.
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(05-06-2012, 03:04 AM)
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I went to seeing this without expecting anything... and I couldn't have been more disappointed.

The weed. What's the fucking point? It was constantly brought forth, yet it didn't amuse me even once.

The usual teenage US take. I'm actually glad I grew up before this vile shit. The original Evil Dead was thousand times more fun than this carbage.


The only fucking thing that actually made me laugh was the unicorn

If it was about the ancient ones, why the hand instead of tentacles?

Totally disappointing.


EDIT:
In the old horror movies you actually cared about the people involved, whereas in this I just hoped that someone would please kill them off as soon as possible. Preferably in some excruciating manner. They were that annoying.
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Originally Posted by sixghost

Also, just a minor nitpick, but Am I overthinking it if I wondered what would have happened if any monster/killer other than the Zombie Redneck Torture Family had been selected down in the basement? It's pretty heavily implied that any of the monsters that were down in the elevator room could have been picked to kill the five people, but everything about the setting seemed like it was designed for the zombie family. For example, the guy at the gas station referred to the house as the "Buckner place", which was the last name of the zombie family, their graves were already right there, and there were even rooms inside the cabin that were referenced in the diary. This is probably a dumb complaint, but if the puzzle sphere guy, or the ballerina girl had been selected, it would have just been that same exact environment with a villain/kill that seemed much more out of place? The only thing I could think of that would explain this would be if the choice was somehow rigged. The new guy in the control room raises that question when he sees the betting. Or at the very least the two guys in the control room know the outcome, but just pretend not to so everyone can have some fun with the betting. This would also make some sense, because they might have know that both Holden and the redhead were able to read latin, so maybe they there was a good chance that would be the thing that was selected.

That's just one of a few minor complaints though, none of them really diminished my enjoyment of the movie.

The Cabin is just supposed to be a generic cabin. Maybe certain monsters were a better fit than others, but there were plenty of choices that would have fit perfectly. The merman, the angry molesting tree, the werewolf, vampires, zombies, blob, giant snake, ghost, alien, Kevin, the mask family, scarecrows, etc. The cabin is SO generic that almost any of the choices would have fit perfectly. And there's no saying that the puzzleshphere guy couldn't have zapped the group into his own hellish dimension.

Also, I keep seeing a LOT of confusion from people about Marty and his vital signs. Here is the explanation: Marty is dragged back into the Buckner tomb. When he falls down, he stops screaming and there's a squirt of blood. His lever is pulled IMMEDIATELY after they see this in the control room, and the blood offering is made before they actually confirm his kill. When his lever is pulled, he stops being monitored by their system. But the Gods know that Marty isn't actually dead because as soon as The Fool's offering is made without him actually being dead, there is a huge earthquake that everyone just shrugs off. We can assume that once Marty is taken into the grave he falls into the area below with the elevator where he kills the zombie. But as soon as his lever is pulled the computers stop monitoring his vitals.
The reason they never see him on their many cameras is that they all assume him dead so they're no longer looking for him, they are focusing on not just the whereabouts of the teens who are still alive, but also the near-miss with the tunnel not being closed.

It's like this: If I break into your house with two other people, and you are watching us on your security system, and I fall into a hole, you're going to assume I'm trapped in that hole and you're going to stop looking for me and instead focus on the two other people still inside your house. Why continue monitoring the hole when you could use that screen to monitor your living room instead?
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(05-06-2012, 09:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Melchiah

I went to seeing this without expecting anything... and I couldn't have been more disappointed.

The weed. What's the fucking point? It was constantly brought forth, yet it didn't amuse me even once.

The weed was the reason why Marty didn't get affected by the stuff.

If it was about the ancient ones, why the hand instead of tentacles?

That was the point. You already are thinking Lovecraft when you first hear it.

In the old horror movies you actually cared about the people involved, whereas in this I just hoped that someone would please kill them off as soon as possible. Preferably in some excruciating manner. They were that annoying.

That was also one of the points they were hitting.

It seems to me like you went into this film wanting to hate it because you hate modern horror, and because of that, the satire was lost.
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(05-06-2012, 09:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Melchiah

EDIT:
In the old horror movies you actually cared about the people involved, whereas in this I just hoped that someone would please kill them off as soon as possible. Preferably in some excruciating manner. They were that annoying.

You did? I can't remember a single slasher when I actually cared about or even liked characters (ok, maybe besides Scream, but that's only because of Courteney Cox ;)). They were always morons.
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(05-06-2012, 09:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mr_Zombie

You did? I can't remember a single slasher when I actually cared about or even liked characters (ok, maybe besides Scream, but that's only because of Courteney Cox ;)). They were always morons.

Pretty much. I'm trying to think of a *classic* slasher where the characters are very sympathetic...Halloween just has JLC, Friday the 13th has nobody, I guess Nancy was alright in Nightmare, Ash in Evil Dead is great. So basically, you normally have one character who's worth caring about. In my experience. I think Cabin had that for sure.
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(05-07-2012, 12:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by sixghost

Just saw it and really enjoyed it. I can barely sit through most horror movies so I was thankful that the first half of the movie never got too fucked up, or had too many jump scares.

I've read the whole thread except the last page or two. After thinking about it for a bit, I don't really buy the interpretation that the Old Gods are the movie execs. I think:
The Old Gods are the audience. They are the one that everyone else involved in the operation is trying to please. I think the comments by the two guys in the control room imply this. The line one of them has, "remember when you could just throw a girl into a volcano?" was trying to drive home the movies point that horror movies have eschewed becoming more creative, and instead have just focused on making movies that are increasingly more violent and convoluted, resulting in the pretty ridiculous scenario the movie shows. I believe at some point one of the control room guys says something like, "we've got to keep the customers(or the audience, I forget what word he used) happy."

"The People upstairs" or Signourney Weaver's character are the studio executives. They don't ever seem to get involved in the proceedings, or care what the staff does, unless things go wrong(i.e. the horror movie loses the studio a ton of money). I think this is shown when Sigourney Weaver shows up literally in the last 2 minutes of the movie and tries to clean up the mess, as well as through a couple of the offhand comments from the staff. Such as when the new guy asks whether the bosses know they bet on the outcomes, they say something along the lines of "they don't give a shit, as long as the job gets done."

The two guys in the control room(forgot their names, if they were given) are the creatives. Director, writer, creator, whatever. They create the scenarios, handle the moment to moment stuff, and seem to be the ones in charge in the trenches. I think someone even posted an interview a while back in the thread where Whedon flat out says that he and the director are the two in the control room.


Also, just a minor nitpick, but Am I overthinking it if I wondered what would have happened if any monster/killer other than the Zombie Redneck Torture Family had been selected down in the basement? It's pretty heavily implied that any of the monsters that were down in the elevator room could have been picked to kill the five people, but everything about the setting seemed like it was designed for the zombie family. For example, the guy at the gas station referred to the house as the "Buckner place", which was the last name of the zombie family, their graves were already right there, and there were even rooms inside the cabin that were referenced in the diary. This is probably a dumb complaint, but if the puzzle sphere guy, or the ballerina girl had been selected, it would have just been that same exact environment with a villain/kill that seemed much more out of place? The only thing I could think of that would explain this would be if the choice was somehow rigged. The new guy in the control room raises that question when he sees the betting. Or at the very least the two guys in the control room know the outcome, but just pretend not to so everyone can have some fun with the betting. This would also make some sense, because they might have know that both Holden and the redhead were able to read latin, so maybe they there was a good chance that would be the thing that was selected.

That's just one of a few minor complaints though, none of them really diminished my enjoyment of the movie.

I think you're on the money in some ways...

The old gods are definitely the audience.

Sigourney Weaver's character is named "the Director."

There were lots of hooks for the other monster events that could have been picked; the Torture Family was one of the most common and most reliable though. What I really want to know is what object in that room summons the unicorn, and which monster you get from putting on the necklace...
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(05-07-2012, 12:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hawkian

which monster you get from putting on the necklace...

The Bride. She was the one walking slowly towards the downed guard when Marty and Dana were making a break for it.
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

The Bride. She was the one walking slowly towards the downed guard when Marty and Dana were making a break for it.

Nice, thanks, will pay attention on rewatch :)
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(05-08-2012, 03:04 AM)
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Hands down, the creepiest thing in that entire movie was when Marty and the other girl were in the glass elevators, just staring at the Puzzle Sphere and the ballerina. It felt like they held that shot on that guy's face for 3 minutes. That entire scene from when the elevator starts moving until they arrive at the facility was just spine tingling.
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(05-08-2012, 10:12 AM)
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I loved how Marty just turned, and his face was all "oh, great, another one".
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(05-08-2012, 04:55 PM)
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I like that sequence because it's like you can feel the effects of the drugs they've been using (the chemicals on Dana, the weed on Marty) wearing off and the sober harshness of what lies behind the curtains taking over.
Represent.
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(05-08-2012, 04:57 PM)
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I actually hated this movie. Can't stand comedy/horror blends. Two complete opposite genres should just NEVER blend imo.

And I don't even know if the movie was intentionally funny.

Honestly. 3/10.
Liquidus
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(05-08-2012, 04:59 PM)
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This was one of the worst pieces of shit I have ever had to endure. How this junk gets so much praise is beyond me. Maybe I saw a different version. This movie was so fucking awful. Ughh.
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(05-08-2012, 08:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Represent.

I actually hated this movie. Can't stand comedy/horror blends. Two complete opposite genres should just NEVER blend imo.

And I don't even know if the movie was intentionally funny.

Honestly. 3/10.

Good critique.

Originally Posted by Liquidus

This was one of the worst pieces of shit I have ever had to endure. How this junk gets so much praise is beyond me. Maybe I saw a different version. This movie was so fucking awful. Ughh.

Bad critique.
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(05-08-2012, 09:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Represent.

I actually hated this movie. Can't stand comedy/horror blends. Two complete opposite genres should just NEVER blend imo.

And I don't even know if the movie was intentionally funny.

Honestly. 3/10.

Evil Dead/Sam Raimi disagrees. A good director/writer can blend the genres and deliver a great movie, but it takes a rare director/writer who is able to mix the two without them clashing or confusing the viewer.

Whedon/Goddard bit off more than they could chew, not surprising but credit where it's due, it wasn't a complete mess and they did manage to deliver an above average movie with some nice twists on certain tropes.
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(05-08-2012, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

Good critique.



Bad critique.

More like horrible critique

and

beyond horrible critique
Dunk#7
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(05-08-2012, 09:32 PM)
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I really do not understand all of the praise for this movie. It was a somewhat interesting concept, but I feel it could be so much better with the following two changes:


1. The audience should not be aware that it is all a set up by a larger organization until the two "sacrifices" make it into the building. Everything should unfold from that point on.

2. The reason behind why the organization is performing these sacrifices needs some work. I was expecting something so much more interesting than the "sacrifice to the gods" scenario.
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(05-08-2012, 10:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. B Natural

More like horrible critique

and

beyond horrible critique

In context of both critiques, the former is the better one. It actually expressed why it was thought to be a bad film.
Hawkian
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(05-09-2012, 12:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dunk#7

I really do not understand all of the praise for this movie. It was a somewhat interesting concept, but I feel it could be so much better with the following two changes:


1. The audience should not be aware that it is all a set up by a larger organization until the two "sacrifices" make it into the building. Everything should unfold from that point on.

2. The reason behind why the organization is performing these sacrifices needs some work. I was expecting something so much more interesting than the "sacrifice to the gods" scenario.

Hate to be the one to ask, but did you get the overarching metaphor of the movie? Any more of a "reason" why they were doing things would have been ridiculous.
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(05-09-2012, 03:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dunk#7


1. The audience should not be aware that it is all a set up by a larger organization until the two "sacrifices" make it into the building. Everything should unfold from that point on.

That would be goddamn horrible and defeat the entire purpose of the movie. Pacing-wise alone, it would be completely stupid. How would you cram the story into the final fifteen minutes? Plus, if you did that, the movie would be an utter piece of shit.
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(05-09-2012, 06:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by Represent.

I actually hated this movie. Can't stand comedy/horror blends. Two complete opposite genres should just NEVER blend imo.

And I don't even know if the movie was intentionally funny.

Honestly. 3/10.

comedy and horror are not opposites and thinking they are demonstrates a lack of understanding of genre
also the movie was intentionally funny at parts. a man had an extendo-coffee mug bong and a unicorn impaled a security guard.
Hawkian
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(05-09-2012, 02:26 PM)
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It was intentionally funny almost all the way through! :P
G.O.O.
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(05-09-2012, 02:47 PM)
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Is it just me or did that final scene had some genuinely disturbing stuff ?

People being vaporized into blood really bugs me. It was the same with War of the worlds.
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(05-09-2012, 03:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by G.O.O.

Is it just me or did that final scene had some genuinely disturbing stuff ?

People being vaporized into blood really bugs me. It was the same with War of the worlds.

Was there actually blood in WotW?
G.O.O.
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(05-09-2012, 03:07 PM)
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Yeah, Tim Robbins got blood all over his face and then freaked out.

The aliens use it as fertilizer
Hawkian
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(05-09-2012, 03:32 PM)
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Ah that's right.

Most disturbing for me was probably the ballerina with the tooth-face.
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(05-09-2012, 03:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Represent.

I actually hated this movie. Can't stand comedy/horror blends. Two complete opposite genres should just NEVER blend imo.

And I don't even know if the movie was intentionally funny.

Honestly. 3/10.

I don't like to say movies went "over" someone's head, but it sounds like it kinda went off to the side of your head. If you're not sure whether most of the movie was supposed to be intentionally funny, the movie and your brain were definitely not on the same wavelength.

Also, American Werewolf In London is considered one of the best horror movies ever made by most genre fans and it's half a comedy. It can go terribly wrong but horror and comedy most assuredly work together.
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Originally Posted by Hawkian

Ah that's right.

Most disturbing for me was probably the ballerina with the tooth-face.

The makeup job on the ballerina was awful. Probably my only gripe with the film is that at times you could tell that it wasn't a big budget production. It took me out of the movie.
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(05-09-2012, 04:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hawkian

Hate to be the one to ask, but did you get the overarching metaphor of the movie? Any more of a "reason" why they were doing things would have been ridiculous.

I really do not know if I did.

What was the overarching metaphor?


Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

That would be goddamn horrible and defeat the entire purpose of the movie. Pacing-wise alone, it would be completely stupid. How would you cram the story into the final fifteen minutes? Plus, if you did that, the movie would be an utter piece of shit.

You would have much more than 15 minutes at your disposal if the "company" scenes were removed from the earlier parts of the movie
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G.O.O.
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(05-09-2012, 04:07 PM)
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She made me laugh out loud. It was like a living photoshop joke.
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(05-09-2012, 04:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dunk#7

I really do not know if I did.

What was the overarching metaphor?

The movie was about the horror genre in general and how it needs a reboot.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=1042

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