[cutmeamango]

You want a director to do justice to Lovecraft? Give it to Tomas Alfredson!

[Solo]

Avengers drops 66% Sunday to Monday, dem legs.

$20M is great for kids still in school. Can't say anything about this one's legs until the second weekend.

[Phoenician_Viking]

Really? This is just from the first page of that thread edit-Guess I needed to go to page 2 to find your post.

And? I stand by my statement about TAS and TDKR will outsell the Avengers. It´s not like the Avengers beat Batman and Spiderman. The 2 movies are not out yet. Obviously i was wrong about the 600$ million.

[GremlinFool]

Avengers drops 66% Sunday to Monday, dem legs.

$20 million for a non-Summer, non-holiday Monday is actually unheard of.

[PhoncipleBone]

$20 million for a non-Summer, non-holiday Monday is actually unheard of.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/day...age=Mon&p=.htm

Puts it in the top 10, and the only non summer season, non holiday one in there to boot. In fact, you would have to go all the way down to #44 with Avatar in January to get a non summer/non holiday monday. Not too bad indeed.

Either way, this weekend will be the real sign of how it can go.

[Speedymanic]

So it wasn't fair to compare TDK with any other blockbuster at the time because if IMAX tax? Were you making the same argument back then? Just making sure you're consistent.

Pretty much. I'm not a fan of unfair comparisons. Something about it feels...off.

I wasn't posting here on a daily basis back then, but I certainly would have been making the same argument back then as I am now. I'll prob be doing the same with Rises. Arguing against comparisons to Avengers, but also against other movies based on how widely it opens in IMAX theaters.

[duckroll]

Pretty much. I'm not a fan of unfair comparisons. Something about it feels...off. I wasn't posting here on a daily basis back then, but I certainly would have been making the same argument back then as I am now. I'll prob be doing the same with Rises. Arguing against comparisons to Avengers, but also against other movies based on how widely it opens in IMAX theaters.

Sounds reasonable.

[Speedymanic]

Avengers drops 66% Sunday to Monday, dem legs.

Not surprising, the real test will be next weekend.

I suspect it's going to lose a large chuck to other movies, but will probably retain the number one spot and possibly set another weekend record.

[Tobor]

Not surprising, the real test will be next weekend. I suspect it's going to lose a large chuck to other movies, but will probably retain the number one spot and possibly set another weekend record.

When do you don the new avatar? It's going to cross $250 by Wednesday at this rate.

[Superman00]

$20M is great for kids still in school. Can't say anything about this one's legs until the second weekend.

$20 million is actually ridiculous for a monday in early may. It made $57 million on sunday, there was no way that it would not have a big drop.

[Raistlin]

It won't make as much, the lack of a 3d tax pretty much guarantees it. Which is kind of my point. The inevitable comparisons won't really be fair. It will make for boring reading, post after post of lol rises didn't beat avengers, etc.

It's pretty easy to normalize the data, at least roughly.


Are you still butthurt that doing so with Avengers shows it still crushes TDK?

[Speedymanic]

When do you don the new avatar? It's going to cross $250 by Wednesday at this rate.

:(

Three months of looking at his ugly mug is going to pretty damn tough.

[Speedymanic]

It's pretty easy to normalize the data, at least roughly. Are you still butthurt that doing so with Avengers shows it still crushes TDK?

I didn't like TDK as much as BB, so I don't have any vested interest apart from the unfair comparison, regardless of being able to roughly normalize data, there's something unfair about comparing a movie's OW when it opened in 2d and IMAX to one that opened in 2d, 3d, and 3d IMAX.

[marrec]

$20 million is actually ridiculous for a monday in early may. It made $57 million on sunday, there was no way that it would not have a big drop.

Going back to 2002 it's easily the best of the first Mondays in May and has the best retention of anything at the time as well. This includes Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Spiderman, X-Men 2, Spiderman 3.

[Tobor]

:( Three months of looking at his ugly mug is going to pretty damn tough.

There it is!

[duckroll]

My God. That's one nasty looking avatar. Lol. :(

[Hot Coldman]

boy that's one freakish avatar.

[StriKeVillain]

Lol, it's like he's always dreading what Speedy's posting.

[Escape Goat]

Looks like you stole an avatar from IGN.

[Superman00]

There it is!

There was someone else that made the Avengers VS SM3 WW bet.

:( Three months of looking at his ugly mug is going to pretty damn tough.

lol, seriously, don't make any more box office bet.

[jett]

That's the worst avatar ever, LOL.

And I guess we'll really see about this movie's legs on the weekend.

[Tobor]

There was someone else that made the Avengers VS SM3 WW bet. lol, seriously, don't make any more box office bet.

That would be Good Job Bob, and he's toast. Avengers is at 700 WW after 13 days.

He's also going or lose his bet with me, but that's down the road.

[Superman00]

That would be Good Job Bob, and he's toast. Avengers is at 700 WW after 13 days. He's also going or lose his bet with me, but that's down the road.

Ah, the one that adamantly insist that the Avengers won't make a billion. lol

[3N16MA]

:( Three months of looking at his ugly mug is going to pretty damn tough.

Enjoy. :)

[vicissitudes]

:( Three months of looking at his ugly mug is going to pretty damn tough.

Not just for you, for all of us :(

Please don't post for the next 3 months thanks.

[Speedymanic]

Lol, it's like he's always dreading what Speedy's posting.

I can't unsee it. Fuck.

Should have bet for an embarrassing tag instead. :(

[Raistlin]

I didn't like TDK as much as BB, so I don't have any vested interest apart from the unfair comparison,

You know, it's been a while since I watched them both ... but I might have to agree with you. Once you get past the exceptional Joker portrayal, there's definitely some problems with the movie.

regardless of being able to roughly normalize data, there's something unfair about comparing a movie's OW when it opened in 2d and IMAX to one that opened in 2d, 3d, and 3d IMAX.

And ... this makes zero sense lol.

Or are you actually trying to argue that people who would have otherwise not gone to see Avengers went specifically because it was available in 3D?

[artist]

There was someone else that made the Avengers VS SM3 WW bet.

That is between me and Bob, I'm still shopping for avatar ideas.

[Hawkian]

John Carpenter's IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS will be the best "Lovecraftian" flick for a long while.

brofist, one of my favorites.

[vicissitudes]

Should have bet for an embarrassing tag instead. :(

You already have one.

[Speedymanic]

You know, it's been a while since I watched them both ... but I might have to agree with you. Once you get past the exceptional Joker portrayal, there's definitely some problems with the movie.

pretty much, excellent performance from Ledger, but the movie had multiple problems.

And ... this makes zero sense lol. Or are you actually trying to argue that people who would have otherwise not gone to see Avengers went specifically because it was available in 3D?

No and I apologize for not going into more detail/being clear. (the hunger was upon me...)

What I should have said is that some people had no choice but to watch it in 3d due to their theater not having many/any 2d showings. My local theater had no 2d showings, but all the 3d showings were sold out. This unfairly inflates the total as people end up having no choice to watch it in 3d unless they want to travel a few miles and hope the other theater's 2d showings aren't all sold out.

It's only 3 bucks, but when it's replicated nationwide over 3 days with multiple showings per day, it equals a helluva lot of money that the movie wouldn't have otherwise made. That's what I find unfair about comparing a movie that predominantly opens in 3d to one that was predominantly 2d on release.

[Hawkian]

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/day...age=Mon&p=.htm Puts it in the top 10, and the only non summer season, non holiday one in there to boot. In fact, you would have to go all the way down to #44 with Avatar in January to get a non summer/non holiday monday. Not too bad indeed. Either way, this weekend will be the real sign of how it can go.

Whoa, burying the lead here- 20 million will beat Avatar's post-Christmas Monday for the #7 slot.

[paul187]

Hey guys I was wondering how the 3d in Avengers was. I have the option to see it in 2d or 3d. 3d doesn't bother my eyes at all by the way. Thanks in advance.

[Raistlin]

No and I apologize for not going into more detail/being clear. (the hunger was upon me...) What I should have said is that some people had no choice but to watch it in 3d due to their theater not having many/any 2d showings. My local theater had no 2d showings, but all the 3d showings were sold out. This unfairly inflates the total as people end up having no choice to watch it in 3d unless they want to travel a few miles and hope the other theater's 2d showings aren't all sold out. It's only 3 bucks, but when it's replicated nationwide over 3 days with multiple showings per day, it equals a helluva lot of money that the movie wouldn't have otherwise made. That's what I find unfair about comparing a movie that predominantly opens in 3d to one that was predominantly 2d on release.

I'm still not following you. The point of 'normalizing' the data is to actually remove the extra revenue that was created due to 3D pricing differences ... and only then compare.


You're not making any sense here.

[Divvy]

Hey guys I was wondering how the 3d in Avengers was. I have the option to see it in 2d or 3d. 3d doesn't bother my eyes at all by the way. Thanks in advance.

If the 3D showings are on better screens or better projectors go see that. Otherwise it doesn't make a difference. 3D was eh, but not annoying.

[Hawkian]

Hey guys I was wondering how the 3d in Avengers was. I have the option to see it in 2d or 3d. 3d doesn't bother my eyes at all by the way. Thanks in advance.

IMAX is undoubtedly worth it- the 3D adds nothing. I saw my first showing in IMAX 3D, my second in regular old 2D. I had no option to see it in my preferred IMAX 2D. You can't really go wrong either way, the 3D didn't annoy me or anything like that, I literally forgot about it partway through.

[paul187]

Thanks. I'm going to go with the 2d showing.

I unfortunately have no Imax close by.

[RubxQub]

Perhaps the argument is that larger theatres would be showing Avengers on 3 screens (2D, 3D, IMAX) vs. TDKs 2 screens (2D, IMAX)...and therefore had artifically inflated per theater revenues or something?

Is that it?

[artist]

Perhaps the argument is that larger theatres would be showing Avengers on 3 screens (2D, 3D, IMAX) vs. TDKs 2 screens (2D, IMAX)...and therefore had artifically inflated per theater revenues or something? Is that it?

Avengers will have a big advantage (due to 3D and IMAX) against TDKR whichever way you slice it.

Personally I dont believe in adjusting numbers and only believe in raw grosses.

[3N16MA]

Hey guys I was wondering how the 3d in Avengers was. I have the option to see it in 2d or 3d. 3d doesn't bother my eyes at all by the way. Thanks in advance.

I watched it in 3D and it was not distracting or annoying but also did not stand out. I noticed during the first 10-15 minutes and did not actively think about it after that.

[Divvy]

Perhaps the argument is that larger theatres would be showing Avengers on 3 screens (2D, 3D, IMAX) vs. TDKs 2 screens (2D, IMAX)...and therefore had artifically inflated per theater revenues or something? Is that it?

Nah, the argument is that the Avengers average ticket price is higher because there was a 3D option. So, it doesn't count as much despite every movie having that option.

[Speedymanic]

I'm still not following you. The point of 'normalizing' the data is to actually remove the extra revenue that was created due to 3D pricing differences ... and only then compare. You're not making any sense here.

Perhaps the argument is that larger theatres would be showing Avengers on 3 screens (2D, 3D, IMAX) vs. TDKs 2 screens (2D, IMAX)...and therefore had artifically inflated per theater revenues or something? Is that it?

This.

Apologies if it didn't come across clearly in my post, I'm eating, finishing up some work reports and posting here all before heading back out. No excuse for not being clear in my posts though.

[KevinCow]

I think that to be fair to all the other movies, we should divide the money the Avengers makes by 6, because it has 6 heroes and all the other movies only have 1.

[Raistlin]

This. Apologies if it didn't come across clearly in my post, I'm eating, finishing up some work reports and posting here all before heading back out. No excuse for not being clear in my posts though.

Do we actually have a listing of the number of screens showing it versus TDK?

Also, was there any indication the TDK was fully sold out in its original weekend?

[Tobor]

Who cares? Every movie has the option to be in 3D. Nolan didn't want to use it, so he forfeits the OW record. It's as simple as that, and he probably doesn't even care.

As much as I hate to admit it, 3D is here to stay. The numbers should count since every movie has the option available.

It's the steroids era, fellas, only it's legal.

[XiaNaphryz]

Do we actually have a listing of the number of screens showing it versus TDK?

BOM says Avengers had a theater count of 4,349, TDK had 4,366. Didn't see anything about specific screening breakdowns though.

[Raistlin]

BOM says Avengers had a theater count of 4,349, TDK had 4,366. Didn't see anything about specific screening breakdowns though.

In that case Speedymanic's argument is without grounds. They had similar seating availability.

Who cares? Every movie has the option to be in 3D. Nolan didn't want to use it, so he forfeits the OW record. It's as simple as that, and he probably doesn't even care. As much as I hate to admit it, 3D is here to stay. The numbers should count since every movie has the option available. It's the steroids era, fellas, only it's legal.

The point is people are attempting to determine actual viewership.

[MrPink93485]

BOM says Avengers had a theater count of 4,349, TDK had 4,366. Didn't see anything about specific screening breakdowns though.

I would venture to guess Avengers had more showings, because screen counts have typically increased over the years, despite theater counts remaining relatively stagnant. I believe TDK was showing on an average of 9000 screens, but HP7 Part 2 was on nearly 11000 screens. That's a vague recall though so don't quote me on that.

Neither Avengers or TDK were sold out to complete capacity, pretty sure someone on another forum did some mathematical guess work and figured you could do up to 250-260 million if every showing was completely sold out, don't think that included 3D.

EDIT: See here

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3208

HP7 Part 2 on over 11,000 screens, TDK at a little over 9000.

[MrPink93485]

Looking at this:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/counts/...2&wk=18&p=.htm

Avengers supposedly showed on an estimated 11800 screens.

[artist]

BOM says Avengers had a theater count of 4,349, TDK had 4,366. Didn't see anything about specific screening breakdowns though.

IMAX Screen count
Avengers - 275
TDK - 94

IMAX OW Gross
Avengers - 15M (55k per theatre avg)
TDK - 6.2M (66k per theatre avg)

Neither Avengers or TDK were sold out to complete capacity, pretty sure someone on another forum did some mathematical guess work and figured you could do up to 250-260 million if every showing was completely sold out, don't think that included 3D.

I did a similar calc here in the prediction thread.