[slit]

No thanks, I like driving myself.

OH MY GAWD!!! How dare you.....you killer of children, you!!!!!!

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

Big game changer. In the future if you cannot drive your car, will you feel compelled to own it? What if a system of car sharing emerges, something like a more personalized and private public transportation option?

That's actually a really interesting proposition. As someone who hates driving through downtown and around STL, I'd sign up for such a service. I wonder if we'd have to purchase insurance in the future?

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

I read somewhere that AI driver cars would make so much more efficient use of space on highways that pretty much all highways would gain an extra lane of traffic.

[Tashbrooke]

Self driving tanks and humvees. Boom.

FUCKITY FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK YOU MILITARY.

[Copernicus]

You know whose really gonna feel the sting of this immediately?

Bus and Taxi drivers.

[Vilix]

I'm still waiting for a demoic possessed self driving car.

You know whose really gonna feel the sting of this immediately? Bus and Taxi drivers.

I could see major cities, and even states, moving to ban self driving cars. Mass transit brings in almost half of the revenue in some cities.

[AdventureMike]

I hear Phil Fish is in favor of comfy couch driving.

[Tacitus_]

I read somewhere that AI driver cars would make so much more efficient use of space on highways that pretty much all highways would gain an extra lane of traffic.

If we assume that all cars would be AI driven then they could communicate between each other and go at higher speeds and use less space, yes.

[xnipx]

But then how will the 5% be able wave their dicks as they pass you in their 50,000 and up cars??

[Zyzyxxz]

Man this will be so perfect for Vegas, drunk people not having to drive and not having to deal with shitty taxi drivers being pissed you didn't tip 30%.

[faceless007]

Can't fucking wait. Driving is just a tedious waste of time to me, but you have to in SoCal.

[satriales]

OH MY GAWD!!! How dare you.....you killer of children, you!!!!!!

10 years of driving and so far I've killed 0 children. Actually, I've not even killed any adults either. In fact zero accidents at all.

I'm switching to a motorbike soon anyway so it won't effect me too badly if these cars do become the norm.

[daw840]

10 years of driving and so far I've killed 0 children. Actually, I've not even killed any adults either. In fact zero accidents at all. I'm switching to a motorbike soon anyway so it won't effect me too badly if these cars do become the norm.

Consider yourself lucky. I had a motorcyclist decide to plant himself under my moving tires when I was 17....he didn't make it.

[Tashbrooke]

Consider yourself lucky. I had a motorcyclist decide to plant himself under my moving tires when I was 17....he didn't make it.

[Scuba Steve]

Car maintenance on these things are going to be a bitch

[daw840]

lol

Is actually a true story though...

[Phoenix]

Big game changer. In the future if you cannot drive your car, will you feel compelled to own it? What if a system of car sharing emerges, something like a more personalized and private public transportation option?

You mean like zipcar? Just an automated version it if? I think that is highly likely going to happen.

[Phoenix]

If we assume that all cars would be AI driven then they could communicate between each other and go at higher speeds and use less space, yes.

Indeed. I have seen plans for these vehicles both private and commercial that have their
Own lanes so that they can do exactly what you are suggesting. The biggest question remains the liability question. Who is responsible if the vehicle has an error and crashes. Some legal folks say the driver/owner is liable , but that just doesn't make sense see he has delegated that to the vehicle - otherwise there is no point taking on the vehicle due to increased liability. Unfortunately that's the same reason car company execs have given for why they are extremely hesitant to deploy the technology.

[Phoenix]

You know whose really gonna feel the sting of this immediately? Bus and Taxi drivers.

And commercial truck drivers. People really overlook the impact this is going to have on the movement of freight across the country. It's going to be a game changer.

[Phoenix]

public transportation sucks in the majority of places. cars are way more convenient than buses and trains. are you being serious right now?

I dunno. In Europe I found it very convenient - especially in London. Europe public transportation shits on the US system in a way almost indescribable.

[commedieu]

Hell yea! Next we'll have them replacing truckers because machines don't need sleep.

Thats pretty much the endgame for all of this.

What will people do for a living, when most jobs are automated? You'll have automated factories building machines, So i doubt there will be much labor needed. Even if there are laws mandating X number of human slots, companies will go over seas.

We don't really have a plan here for this... Automation is going to leave a lot of people out of work, without the education to really thrive in any other type of business..

hmm

[ezrarh]

And commercial truck drivers. People really overlook the impact this is going to have on the movement of freight across the country. It's going to be a game changer.

While it will make some of our lives better, I feel like it's going to just make the rich richer and create an ever growing unemployed population. I still think we should go ahead with this technology though. I'm repeating myself again, but we'll have to look at how we distribute wealth and the benefits we gain from technology.

[daw840]

While it will make some of our lives better, I feel like it's going to just make the rich richer and create an ever growing unemployed population. I still think we should go ahead with this technology though. I'm repeating myself again, but we'll have to look at how we distribute wealth and the benefits we gain from technology.

What's really going to happen, is companies are going to expect you to be working in your car now more than ever. Those truck drivers are going to still be in the trucks because someone will still have to actually be there in case of an emergency, but they will be working like any other office lackey, just on wheels.

[commedieu]

While it will make some of our lives better, I feel like it's going to just make the rich richer and create an ever growing unemployed population. I still think we should go ahead with this technology though. I'm repeating myself again, but we'll have to look at how we distribute wealth and the benefits we gain from technology.

But historically, the rich getting richer is the constant here. No need to even question this. I'm just really worried about the number of jobs, and the types of jobs that will be avaliable when you're replaced by automation. Sure, we will have the Gordon Gekko wannabes pretending its a non-issue to those that are actually trying to make money, but its not even about that. They are going to feel the sting of it, when they no longer have a Trucker/Logger pension to ruin, etc.

Its simply going to be removing large chunks of jobs without any other options for those people who thrived in them for generations more than likely. Theres a job issue already, many of these people can't qualify for the jobs that even the qualified cant qualify for.

What's really going to happen, is companies are going to expect you to be working in your car now more than ever. Those truck drivers are going to still be in the trucks because someone will still have to actually be there in case of an emergency, but they will be working like any other office lackey, just on wheels.

I hope this is true. But I still don't see a company wasting their money on this, when someone at a desk can monitor an entire pack of trucks. They are going to go with the cheaper option im afraid.

[daw840]

But historically, the rich getting richer is the constant here. No need to even question this. I'm just really worried about the number of jobs, and the types of jobs that will be avaliable when you're replaced by automation. Sure, we will have the Gordon Gekko wannabes pretending its a non-issue to those that are actually trying to make money, but its not even about that. They are going to feel the sting of it, when they no longer have a Trucker/Logger pension to ruin, etc. Its simply going to be removing large chunks of jobs without any other options for those people who thrived in them for generations more than likely. Theres a job issue already, many of these people can't qualify for the jobs that even the qualified cant qualify for. I hope this is true. But I still don't see a company wasting their money on this, when someone at a desk can monitor an entire pack of trucks. They are going to go with the cheaper option im afraid.

What I am more getting at, is I don't see these being completely unmanned. At least not anytime soon. There will have to be someone in the truck. The company will have to pay that person. They won't pay them to essentially pump gas every 6 hours and that's it. They will have to be productive in the meantime.

[jet1911]

That'll be another million jobs gone. Truck drivers, bus drivers, cab drivers....

Probably won't happen in our lifetime.

[yellow submarine]

I wonder what will happen when the first one of these things results in a passenger fatality. It will be something lame too, like the RTOS shitting itself with an overflow and rebooting because the passenger turned up the volume too loud on the radio. Therac-25 anyone?

[commedieu]

What I am more getting at, is I don't see these being completely unmanned. At least not anytime soon. There will have to be someone in the truck. The company will have to pay that person. They won't pay them to essentially pump gas every 6 hours and that's it. They will have to be productive in the meantime.

Right. I'm sure you're right about immediately, it will be a person. But I'm just aware of what the end game will be of automated driving. Thats not too far off, maybe 10 years? I just hope companies/govt/us find industries for the ones we are replacing.

[Cipherr]

And commercial truck drivers. People really overlook the impact this is going to have on the movement of freight across the country. It's going to be a game changer.

Eh, I think you are overestimating this in regards to how fast it will move. I don't suspect this will approach anywhere near 10 percent of cars on the road in the next 15-20 years even. This is a small small nearly microscopic start. The laws and regulation and insurance gymnastics that will be required for this to become commonplace, let alone the majority, is not going to move fast. And when they do hit, they will be manned, for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.

[daw840]

Right. I'm sure you're right about immediately, it will be a person. But I'm just aware of what the end game will be of automated driving. Thats not too far off, maybe 10 years? I just hope companies/govt/us find industries for the ones we are replacing.

Yeah, I'm sure that far down the road we will see unmanned trucks doing most of the hauling. Although, I have no doubt that a computer could easily navigate a big truck down the highways. What I wonder about is the computer's ability to actually get to the destination. Those big trucks require a huge amount of finesse in order to get them through tight downtown streets, gas stations, loading docks, etc.

[SouthernDragon]

What happens if someone just throws in the window with a rock and tries to steal it? I can't imagine this going well, especially when it drives through 'harder' parts of a town. The car will be destroyed before it even makes one block.

Fixed. Hopefully not anywhere near me.

They have driven at least 250,000 miles in public streets already, and had only one accident. When the human was driving it.

It's been driven for hundreds of thousands of miles in congested traffic without incident.

I would welcome this.

[sans_pants]

In certain situations they will remain in day to day traffic for the foreseeable future. In 200 years well who knows?

you have a 200 year timetable on this?

thats absurd

[commedieu]

Yeah, I'm sure that far down the road we will see unmanned trucks doing most of the hauling. Although, I have no doubt that a computer could easily navigate a big truck down the highways. What I wonder about is the computer's ability to actually get to the destination. Those big trucks require a huge amount of finesse in order to get them through tight downtown streets, gas stations, loading docks, etc.

Good point. You often see them trying to do the impossible -reverse into some small ass alley- Type of job. The Lexus/Mercedes parallel parking gizmos though are the beginning to the ends of that. Maybe they will have 1 company driver at the delivery location, if its sketchy. They just drive it in.

tickling my noodle this is.

[2real4tv]

Would like to see it on the NYC streets....

[sans_pants]

While it will make some of our lives better, I feel like it's going to just make the rich richer and create an ever growing unemployed population. I still think we should go ahead with this technology though. I'm repeating myself again, but we'll have to look at how we distribute wealth and the benefits we gain from technology.

if the government doesnt start talking about socialism, and soon, we are going to be completely boned. in 20 years, robots or ai will be able to do almost all jobs. sure, companies are going to have to spend to get to that point, but once they do all it will cost them is maintenance. no more wages, no more workers taking breaks or sleeping.

if the government doesn't do something for the people we will have 50 rich guys with control over an entire nation of the dirt poor

[jvalioli]

Would like to see it on the NYC streets....

An NYC with only automated cars would be pretty awesome. Too bad that won't happen any time soon.

[Vilix]

While it will make some of our lives better, I feel like it's going to just make the rich richer and create an ever growing unemployed population. I still think we should go ahead with this technology though. I'm repeating myself again, but we'll have to look at how we distribute wealth and the benefits we gain from technology.

What?

[Mondriaan]

If we assume that all cars would be AI driven then they could communicate between each other and go at higher speeds and use less space, yes.

Ford did a study a while ago and the conclusion was that we would see benefits from as little as 10% of all traffic being controlled by AI. Obviously the higher the percentage, the more benefit we see.

I'm curious what is going to happen to auto insurance once it's demonstrated that AI drivers are far safer than human ones.

[sans_pants]

Probably won't happen in our lifetime.

disagreed completely. you think industry isnt going to want to take advantage of this?

[commedieu]

if the government doesnt start talking about socialism, and soon, we are going to be completely boned. in 20 years, robots or ai will be able to do almost all jobs. sure, companies are going to have to spend to get to that point, but once they do all it will cost them is maintenance. no more wages, no more workers taking breaks or sleeping. if the government doesn't do something for the people we will have 50 rich guys with control over an entire nation of the dirt poor

Thats my concern. And fuck saying we will be dead by then, so why bother. I do care somewhat about the future generations here. People will pretend that only the stupid are being replaced by A.I, so since they aren't stupid, they have nothing to worry about, great. But they aren't going to realize that they live in a world where stupid people also contribute to the economy.

Our economy and our dream(USA) isn't compatible with automation. You can't work up the chain/mailroom in an automated world. Its something that is just slowly developing. But I fear the attitude of the elite vs the hard working will show itself yet again. You'll have a % of people buying their goods from automated factories around the world. That are working in a handful of positions that are highly competitive. And the rest of the people will have to find some way to make money. Probably a lot of labor, servitude and crime/police. Glad other people are seeing the writing on the wall.

[sans_pants]

Thats my concern. And fuck saying we will be dead by then, so why bother. I do care somewhat about the future generations here. People will pretend that only the stupid are being replaced by A.I, so since they aren't stupid, they have nothing to worry about, great. But they aren't going to realize that they live in a world where stupid people also contribute to the economy. Our economy and our dream(USA) isn't compatible with automation. You can't work up the chain/mailroom in an automated world. Its something that is just slowly developing. But I fear the attitude of the elite vs the hard working will show itself yet again. You'll have a % of people buying their goods from automated factories around the world. That are working in a handful of positions that are highly competitive. And the rest of the people will have to find some way to make money. Probably a lot of labor, servitude and crime/police. Glad other people are seeing the writing on the wall.

i think it would be possible for the gov to cut a deal with companies for higher taxes. but companies aren't looking far enough ahead, and youd need to bring everyone to the table.

if we dont have a socialist system, businesses wont have a consumer base anyway. so its all sort of stupid. we could possibly transition to a post scarcity world within a hundred years. the question is how violent and dangerous that transition will be.

and i dont care about future generations, i plan to live a very, very long time. so i want the future to be good for me in 100 years

[GillianSeed79]

I'm all for this, but where I live (i.e. rural America) people are going to have be dragged kicking and screaming from their pick up trucks. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a huge backlash that people's "freedom" to drive is being taken away. Not that they'd be forced to use these things I guess, but it sure as hell would probably prevent a lot of traffic fatalities and injuries.

[DjangoReinhardt]

Thats my concern. And fuck saying we will be dead by then, so why bother. I do care somewhat about the future generations here. People will pretend that only the stupid are being replaced by A.I, so since they aren't stupid, they have nothing to worry about, great. But they aren't going to realize that they live in a world where stupid people also contribute to the economy. Our economy and our dream(USA) isn't compatible with automation. You can't work up the chain/mailroom in an automated world. Its something that is just slowly developing. But I fear the attitude of the elite vs the hard working will show itself yet again. You'll have a % of people buying their goods from automated factories around the world. That are working in a handful of positions that are highly competitive. And the rest of the people will have to find some way to make money. Probably a lot of labor, servitude and crime/police. Glad other people are seeing the writing on the wall.

Societies that want to survive have to adapt.

[slit]

you have a 200 year timetable on this? thats absurd

That was a completely arbitrary number, not to be taken seriously. Your 20 years is what's absurd.

[El Sloth]

An NYC with only automated cars would be pretty awesome. Too bad that won't happen any time soon.

I can't wait for the jaywalking algorithm!

[commedieu]

i think it would be possible for the gov to cut a deal with companies for higher taxes. but companies aren't looking far enough ahead, and youd need to bring everyone to the table. if we dont have a socialist system, businesses wont have a consumer base anyway. so its all sort of stupid. we could possibly transition to a post scarcity world within a hundred years. the question is how violent and dangerous that transition will be. and i dont care about future generations, i plan to live a very, very long time. so i want the future to be good for me in 100 years

Thats what I see happening. All these cheap products, for a shrinking group of people able to afford them. There isn't going to be much competition, and maybe the prices will become lower due to this, but it will more than likely be too late by that point. People are already choosing food over ipads and what not. Re transition; Well I think the military/police will become almost like the Trojan army, for people who haven't much. They will join the police/military force for the option of actually living a somewhat decent life. They will have a self-hate complex when it comes to the poor/unfortunate. It will be what we see today by the police, but multiplied by less people to care or point it out. As only stupid people are poor.

100 years?

Societies that want to survive have to adapt.

Please. Mankind is on a cyclical economic state and failure. We technically survive, but its the same way every other civilization based around currency has survived. Peak then collapse, rinse and repeat. Make room for the next super power, and bobs your uncle.

Adapting would be the final understanding that we can't have Rich getting richer, and supporting that sad delusion because we all selfishly think we will be there one day, so thats why its ok to look the other way from obvious failures of that system.

[Acid08]

Why can't automotive technology evolve to actually make people better drivers? Too much automatic bullshit in cars now.

[sans_pants]

Why can't automotive technology evolve to actually make people better drivers? Too much automatic bullshit in cars now.

whats the point?

[sans_pants]

That was a completely arbitrary number, not to be taken seriously. Your 20 years is what's absurd.

so you think they will have the technology to implement this thing on a wide scale, but hold it back 20+ years based on nostalgia?

[Acid08]

whats the point?

What's the point of trying to make people better drivers? Seriously?