[BurntPork]

Clearly this is concrete evidence for UE4's existence on the Wii U! Thanks, Anonymous Dev.

Meanwhile, you took comments from another anonymous dev as confirmation that Wii U is weaker than current gen.

Oh Gaf...

Oh, and by the way, I'm suspicious of the legitimacy of this person as well, so don't try to flip the hypocrisy card back at me. ;)

[dragonelite]

i though they dropped 1600p for 1080p and dropped 4xmsaa to run the Samaritan on one GPU but really 720p that is way to low for next gen with upscaling to 1080p or hell to 1600p you loose way to much detail.

[Heavy]

Meanwhile, you took comments from another anonymous dev as confirmation that Wii U is weaker than current gen. Oh Gaf... Oh, and by the way, I'm suspicious of the legitimacy of this person as well, so don't try to flip the hypocrisy card back at me. ;)

Where is his source? Is it just a forum post? You want us to believe that? At least the rumors about it being only slightly more powerful than current gen have multiple rumor reports from reputable sites.

[Vinci]

So I don't blame people for wanting to take a "wait and see" or "believe it when I see it" approach, but this isn't just coming from nowhere. It's coming from a dev who says that he has seen it first hand.

What I love is watching people not want to take the 'wait and see' approach, but rather go full-on spin mode either for or against the Wii U. The closer we get to E3, the less reasonable people here become. Except for ShockingAlberto, of course. He is what he is.

[Plinko]

Where is his source? Is it just a forum post? You want us to believe that? At least the rumors about it being only slightly more powerful than current gen have multiple rumor reports from reputable sites.

To be fair, there are multiple rumor reports from reputable sites stating it is much more powerful than current gen as well.

Truth is that nobody really knows much right now and E3 will probably clarify most of the questions.

[Durante]

Truth is that nobody really knows much right now and E3 will probably clarify most of the questions.

E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs.

Nintendo fans will be out in full force salivating over off-screen videos of Zelda or something and proclaiming them to be undeniable proof that the Wii U is incredibly powerful. Detractors will take the worst framebuffer grab of a 3rd party game they can find and run with it.

People trying to do actual analysis will be called biased by both sides.

[low-G]

I wonder if I'm going to hate the first 3 years of Unreal Engine 4 games outside of Epic's own on next gen consoles too.

With UE3 it was default orange lighting. What will it be with UE4? I can't wait to see what graphical style makes me want to vomit!

[Vinci]

E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs. Nintendo fans will be out in full force salivating over off-screen videos of Zelda or something and proclaiming them to be undeniable proof that the Wii U is incredibly powerful. Detractors will take the worst framebuffer grab of a 3rd party game they can find and run with it. People trying to do actual analysis will be called biased by both sides.

Yup. This is the most accurate scenario, and one of the reasons why I find GAF nowadays so tiring. Hell, it's already begun. Nintendo should just shit or get off the pot after E3 - tell us what's in the damn thing. It doesn't have to be something that gets a ton of coverage, but just tell it and let it be known so people who give a shit can ignore it, and those that don't can move on with their lives.

[Sho_Nuff82]

E3 will probably lead to more ambiguity than we have now. Even if Nintendo releases the specs, if MS and Sony don't, everyone will be free to speculate that MS and Sony's next consoles are only marginally better.

Some people earlier in this thread wanted to know why this has to turn into a debate on whether UE4 is or isn't coming to Wii U... that's because it is rumored to be coming to Wii U. Other want to argue about how it's not gonna happen and why are people "begging" for it to happen. Maybe because it's rumored to have already happened. and I really just wanted to chime in with a quote from the anonymous dev that told us about UE4 being up and running on Wii U in the first place after he saw this bit of news. So I don't blame people for wanting to take a "wait and see" or "believe it when I see it" approach, but this isn't just coming from nowhere. It's coming from a dev who says that he has seen it first hand.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/f...2856#msg722856

Does this poster have any credibility at all? You guys are setting yourselves up for a Thursdayton redux.

Why would Epic be cheeky about UE4 running on Wii U? What possible benefit would their be to Nintendo for them to come out with a quote like in the OP?

To be fair, there are multiple rumor reports from reputable sites stating it is much more powerful than current gen as well. Truth is that nobody really knows much right now and E3 will probably clarify most of the questions.

How much is "much more powerful"? Epic put the UE3.5 Samaritan in quantifiable terms - you need about 4x the 360 GFLOPs performance to run it at 720p with minimal AA. And UE4 is purportedly beyond that.

[Durante]

Yup. This is the most accurate scenario, and one of the reasons why I find GAF nowadays so tiring. Hell, it's already begun. Nintendo should just shit or get off the pot after E3 - tell us what's in the damn thing. It doesn't have to be something that gets a ton of coverage, but just tell it and let it be known so people who give a shit can ignore it, and those that don't can move on with their lives.

I agree. I see no point in not releasing the specs -- they'll be known soon enough anyway.

[EloquentM]

720p with FXAA would suck hard. Hate the way it looks on a bigger screen. Sure the edges are smooth but in motion it still looks weird. Definitely not something I'd expect to see next-gen.

You better get use to it. IQ and resolution is again going to be sacrificed for eye candy. It's a shame really.

[BurntPork]

Where is his source? Is it just a forum post? You want us to believe that? At least the rumors about it being only slightly more powerful than current gen have multiple rumor reports from reputable sites.

Still doesn't mean that you should instantly believe some and discredit others. This has been a serious issue on both sides, and the fact of the matter is that you just know if someone is lying or not telling the whole truth. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Selectively choosing to believe things that support your own beliefs is completely pointless.

[StevieP]

BurntPork is correct and his assertion completely reasonable. "Anonymous" reports should be ignored from both sides of the coin. Good god, why does this feel like politics?

Original Crysis on consoles says hello...

There were many downgrades necessary to run Crysis on consoles. Putting it on a different engine didn't turn the game into magic. The engine, however, was designed with streaming memory constraints and other console-necessities in mind (unlike the original). That was part of what made it possible along with those massive downgrades in IQ, geometry, lighting, etc. At the same time, the original Crysis being on these ancient boxes should tell you all you need to know about the laws of scalability and how they apply to weaker next gen consoles (i.e. Wii U). Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3 are 2 more examples of scalability.

[Koralsky]

BurntPork is correct and his assertion completely reasonable. "Anonymous" reports should be ignored from both sides of the coin. Good god, why does this feel like politics? There were many downgrades necessary to run Crysis on consoles. Putting it on a different engine didn't turn the game into magic. The engine, however, was designed with streaming memory constraints and other console-necessities in mind (unlike the original). That was part of what made it possible along with those massive downgrades in IQ, geometry, lighting, etc. At the same time, the original Crysis being on these ancient boxes should tell you all you need to know about the laws of scalability and how they apply to weaker next gen consoles (i.e. Wii U). Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3 are 2 more examples of scalability.

The important things here is that Crytek manage to develop good enough version for consoles with fewer sacrifices then anyone expected.

And they making it with a new version of their engine. It will be almost impossible to run Crysis on consoles running on original CE2 and keep the same level of detail and stable framerate (on 360) like they did with CE3.

So, this theory isn't exactly true:

People expect UE4 to make Samaritan graphics possible on lower end hardware. That's completely wrong. All the drawing operations necessary to render Samaritan in UE3 are exactly the same in number in UE4

And, yes, I'm completely agree with everything in your post.

[donny2112]

Why would Epic be cheeky about UE4 running on Wii U?

NDAs. Just saying, that's a very good reason to not say anything. :lol

What possible benefit would their be to Nintendo for them to come out with a quote like in the OP?

What possible benefit would it be to Nintendo to keep Activision from announcing Black Ops 2 Wii U along with the others? And then there come out reports that the Wii U version was being shown to press.

Nintendo is sort of like Sony and hardware numbers here. Sony withholds numbers whether they're good or bad, so that we can't tell when they're bad due to a change in tact. Nintendo would keep up an NDA whether it helps or hurts them in order to keep the seals tight against any leaks.

Doesn't answer the question of if UE4 will ever be on Wii U, but should answer some questions as to possible reasons why they'd keep it quiet, even if it could.

[tranciful]

NDAs. Just saying, that's a very good reason to not say anything. :lol

But they are saying things...

Unless they're being funny referring to the rumor that WiiU is getting a name change, so that newly named platform would technically be unannounced.

[Heavy]

Still doesn't mean that you should instantly believe some and discredit others. This has been a serious issue on both sides, and the fact of the matter is that you just know if someone is lying or not telling the whole truth. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Selectively choosing to believe things that support your own beliefs is completely pointless.

THIS is the source/rumor BlackNMild2k1's post was referring to (thanks, Sho Nuff). Forgive me if tend to believe big reputable gaming sites over a poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums. Ugh.

[guek]

THIS is the source/rumor BlackNMild2k1's post was referring to (thanks, Sho Nuff). Forgive me if tend to believe big reputable gaming sites over a poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums. Ugh.

You're a monumental idiot for believing either.

[iamshadowlark]

A super duper source? really?

[Father_Brain]

You're a monumental idiot for believing either.

Can we all at least agree to discount the source that claimed developers were more enthusiastic about PS3/Vita connectivity titles than the Wii U controller? Because that was just hilarious.

[Heavy]

You're a monumental idiot for believing either.

Was name-calling necessary?

Is it not reasonable to believe the big gaming sites over this poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums? Try to post with a little objectivity once in a while.

[-Pyromaniac-]

I consider all rumours that aren't first hand to be mostly BS until proven otherwise.

[donny2112]

But they are saying things...

The Wii U is not the intended platform for UE4, which is what he's saying. However, it may still run on it, once everything's finalized. *shrugs*

[guek]

Was name-calling necessary? Is it not reasonable to believe the big gaming sites over this poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums? Try to post with a little objectivity once in a while.

IGN, the largest video game site in existence, reported a rumor that Wii U will be 5x the power of the 360, but I'm not going to follow in your idiotic example and start believing it's true.

[Heavy]

And that IGN rumor was the only one that made that assertion, while there have been multiple rumors from different sites saying it's only slightly more powerful than current gen. Where there's smoke there's fire. It's not "idiotic" to believe that.

[-Pyromaniac-]

Heavy being Heavy lol. What can ya do.

[Massa]

E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs. Nintendo fans will be out in full force salivating over off-screen videos of Zelda or something and proclaiming them to be undeniable proof that the Wii U is incredibly powerful. Detractors will take the worst framebuffer grab of a 3rd party game they can find and run with it. People trying to do actual analysis will be called biased by both sides.

This post should be displayed in the Reply page for all topics that include the Wii U keyword.

[RagnarokX]

Was name-calling necessary? Is it not reasonable to believe the big gaming sites over this poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums? Try to post with a little objectivity once in a while.

Not necessarily. I knew about Mega Man 9 over a year before it was revealed but I never posted about it because I couldn't reveal my source and had zero additional evidence. If I had I would have been just some poster but I would have been right.

You shouldn't trust ANY unverified source, regardless of how big the messenger is.

[Heavy]

Yeah lol Heavy what a Nintendo hater, he doesn't believe a post from a guy on a Nintendo-centric forum who has a "super duper reliable source", but instead believes there's more credibility to the multiple gaming sites hinting at it being a little more powerful than current gen. Stupid cookie monster.

[guek]

And that IGN rumor was the only one that made that assertion, while there have been multiple rumors from different sites saying it's only slightly more powerful than current gen. Where there's smoke there's fire. It's not "idiotic" to believe that.

Nope.

One of the very first rumors from websites was that Wii U was packing a 1TFLOP gpu (5x 360) in the early dev kits. Then numerous sites reported rumors that dev kits around E3 2011 had an rv770 which is a 0.9 to 1TFLOP gpu. Then there was a separate rumor that those same dev kits were overheating, which would make sense since the rv770 runs a bit hot and would have needed to be downclocked. Then we heard the 5x rumor from IGN. Where there's smoke, there's fire, right?

But you'd be an idiot to believe those rumors as well because they're rumors. I wasn't namecalling, I was stating the fact that only an idiot would outright believe any of these rumors without concrete evidence.

"Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ~ Voltaire

[NSQuote]

E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs. Nintendo fans will be out in full force salivating over off-screen videos of Zelda or something and proclaiming them to be undeniable proof that the Wii U is incredibly powerful. Detractors will take the worst framebuffer grab of a 3rd party game they can find and run with it. People trying to do actual analysis will be called biased by both sides.

Well, at least we have the GIFs to look forward too.

[RagnarokX]

Yeah lol Heavy what a Nintendo hater, he doesn't believe a post from a guy on a Nintendo-centric forum who has a "super duper reliable source", but instead believes there's more credibility to the multiple gaming sites hinting at it being a little more powerful than current gen. Stupid cookie monster.

"You guys are foolish to believe that anonymous source! You should believe this anonymous source!"

The number of people reporting a rumor doesn't matter. Multiple people can be wrong, too.

[SapientWolf]

Nope. One of the very first rumors from websites was that Wii U was packing a 1TFLOP gpu (5x 360) in the early dev kits. Then numerous sites reported rumors that dev kits around E3 2011 had an rv770 which is a 0.9 to 1TFLOP gpu. Then there was a separate rumor that those same dev kits were overheating, which would make sense since the rv770 runs a bit hot and would have needed to be downclocked. Then we heard the 5x rumor from IGN. Where there's smoke, there's fire, right? But you'd be an idiot to believe those rumors as well because they're rumors. I wasn't namecalling, I was stating the fact that only an idiot would outright believe any of these rumors without concrete evidence. "Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ~ Voltaire

Not all rumors deserve equal consideration. Or doubt, for that matter.

[BurntPork]

THIS is the source/rumor BlackNMild2k1's post was referring to (thanks, Sho Nuff). Forgive me if tend to believe big reputable gaming sites over a poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums. Ugh.

That flew right over your head.

The point is to "believe" nothing and to to take everything with a grain of salt, but not to discredit anything either. You never know who has a source, nor do you know who's hiding information.

Also, your original post discredited it due to being from an anonymous dev. Way to move goalposts!

Yeah lol Heavy what a Nintendo hater, he doesn't believe a post from a guy on a Nintendo-centric forum who has a "super duper reliable source", but instead believes there's more credibility to the multiple gaming sites hinting at it being a little more powerful than current gen. Stupid cookie monster.

We've heard info from tons of sources pointing in a hundred different directions and constantly contradicting each other. It's obvious at this point that we're not getting the whole picture, so just taking one side ans saying it's right doesn't work.

Also, I'm willing to bet that if the post had said that Wii U won't run UE4, you would have defended it or at the very least you wouldn't have tried to discredit it. Be honest.

[guek]

Not all rumors deserve equal consideration. Or doubt, for that matter.

Yes, I tend to agree.

[Heavy]

Nope. One of the very first rumors from websites was that Wii U was packing a 1TFLOP gpu (5x 360) in the early dev kits. Then numerous sites reported rumors that dev kits around E3 2011 had an rv770 which is a 0.9 to 1TFLOP gpu. Then there was a separate rumor that those same dev kits were overheating, which would make sense since the rv770 runs a bit hot and would have needed to be downclocked. Then we heard the 5x rumor from IGN. Where there's smoke, there's fire, right? But you'd be an idiot to believe those rumors as well because they're rumors. I wasn't namecalling, I was stating the fact that only an idiot would outright believe any of these rumors without concrete evidence. "Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ~ Voltaire

You are bringing up really old rumors. IGN was the only major site that said the 5x 360 thing as well.

Also, your original post discredited it due to being from an anonymous dev. Way to move goalposts!

It was a forum post on nintendoworldreport.com.

Like wolf said, not all rumors deserve equal consideration.

[BurntPork]

You are bringing up really old rumors. IGN was the only major site that said the 5x 360 thing as well. It was a forum post on nintendoworldreport.com. Like wolf said, not all rumors deserve equal consideration.

You forgot that Develop also said that it matches things that they've heard. Also, why does it matter if they're old? Do you seriously think that there's a chance Nintendo has actually made it weaker since then? lol

But your original post didn't mention that. You originally mocked it for the person who posted it saying that they had an anonymous source. You can post that link 1,000 times, but it won't change your original point.

And you're right; they don't all deserve equal consideration. However, they all deserve some level of consideration. Saying, "it's a forum post, so it's fake" doesn't work. I mean, you're posting on fucking NeoGAF!

Also, I'm pretty sure that wasn't the only line in my post...

[guek]

You are bringing up really old rumors. IGN was the only major site that said the 5x 360 thing as well.

Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you're such a dumbass so sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.

[BurntPork]

Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you're such a dumbass so sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.

Protip: Being stuck with an embarrassing avatar would be funnier.

[hatchx]

E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs. Nintendo fans will be out in full force salivating over off-screen videos of Zelda or something and proclaiming them to be undeniable proof that the Wii U is incredibly powerful. Detractors will take the worst framebuffer grab of a 3rd party game they can find and run with it. People trying to do actual analysis will be called biased by both sides.

Ah, the annual e3 bloodshed. I can't wait.

[Heavy]

Also, why does it matter if they're old?

Because the more recent a rumor (for anything, not just this topic) the better chance it has some truth to it? This is not a foreign concept.

Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you're such a dumbass so sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.

You are way too emotionally invested into this, guek. That was kind of hard to read.

And nowhere did I say Wii U < 360. My posts in this thread reference the "slightly more powerful than current gen" rumors. Scroll up and read them. No need to put words in my mouth.

[BurntPork]

This is not a foreign concept.

Oh really? Can you prove where this concept originated from? I think not!

[SapientWolf]

Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you're such a dumbass so sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.

It's way too early for meltdowns. What devs actually do with the hardware is far more important than specs at this point.

[guek]

You are way too emotionally invested into this, guek.

It's baffling how you still don't "get it." Thanks for reaffirming my low opinion of you. *out*

[jaypah]

What the hell just happened?

[Instro]

THIS is the source/rumor BlackNMild2k1's post was referring to (thanks, Sho Nuff). Forgive me if tend to believe big reputable gaming sites over a poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums. Ugh.

Well afaik, that poster is someone BlackNMild knows personally, and in turn that person knows this anon developer.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=4857

So the source really isn't necessarily just a random post really. I don't know if that makes it any more palatable, but there you go. At the very least it has been confirmed that Nintendo has been directly testing 3rd party engines, so there is certainly a precedent for them to be tweaking the hardware for Epic and UE4 as well.

That said, I'm personally not expecting this to turn out to be true. It would be nice, for improved 3rd party support down the line though.

[dragonelite]

What the hell just happened?

Wiiu happend in a other next gen thread.....

[Ashes1396]

What the hell just happened?

Just your typical permanent ban bets.

It's pre-e3 at the dawn of a new console generation.

[jaypah]

Just your typical permanent ban bets. It's pre-e3 at the dawn of a new console generation.

Well yeah, I've been on GAF for like 5 E3s or so. I just mean it seems like guek started to come undone kind of suddenly. I just don't want to see him get in trouble this close to E3, I enjoy reading his posts in the WiiU spec threads. I was banned last E3 and it just wasn't the same.

[Majanew]

Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you're such a dumbass so sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.

Wow, really?