[SickBoy]

Finally a bit of meat on Ginsberg's bones.

The best part of the elevator exchange was that Ginsberg was so gobsmacked he didn't even get off.

I don't know that it sets up a whole lot other than a sense of rivalry between the two. Ginsberg's a guy he should be mentoring, but instead he feels threatened. Of course, his general manner no doubt chafes on Don, too.

[RatskyWatsky]

Betty returns! Yuussss! Her manipulations of Sally were a delight to watch.

[GQman2121]

I just re-watched and had to cut these.....

[Salvadora]

The actress who plays Sally is fantastic. This season is the best so far.

[dead souls]

Betty returns! Yuussss! Her manipulations of Sally were a delight to watch.

I completely agree. She's such a fascinating character.

[Deified Data]

Finally a bit of meat on Ginsberg's bones. The best part of the elevator exchange was that Ginsberg was so gobsmacked he didn't even get off. I don't know that it sets up a whole lot other than a sense of rivalry between the two. Ginsberg's a guy he should be mentoring, but instead he feels threatened. Of course, his general manner no doubt chafes on Don, too.

Oh God, Ginsberg. Don is a petty, insecure child but Ginsberg's obnoxious attitude makes me want to see him put in his place whether he's in the right or not.

[Ignatz Mouse]

Oh God, Ginsberg. Don is a petty, insecure child but Ginsberg's obnoxious attitude makes me want to see him put in his place whether he's in the right or not.

That is why their slap-fight will be one for the ages, and will make Pete/Lane look like Frazier/Ali.

[Tsukumo]

What was the significance of Megan freaking out about the smog, and Don commenting on it being how while the air was on max. I got the feeling that Meagan was hiding something, but it may have just been some dialog meant to set the year. Anyone?

That's where she hid Madchen Amick's body...
hopefully not...

[sixteen-bit]

Don goes in with a hook, Ginsberg dodges, Pete takes the hit walking by angrily and inattentively after being rejected by Rory Gilmore yet again... Lane complains it's quite warm in the office and opens a window... Pete goes stumbling out, smacking his nose against the wall first, then spins around and boom, out the window. Roger: "Does anyone else notice this elevator shaft wide open over here?" Ginsberg gets Pete's job just because. BIG AMERICAN PARTY!!!!!

But when does Arthur Fonzarelly jump over a shark?

[Rez]

It's a nice line, but I think I've heard it (or a variation of it) in about 5 other shows/movies.

yeah, it didn't hit as hard for me because of this.

[shadyspace]

yeah, it didn't hit as hard for me because of this.

I could swear even Don's said it before.

[BertramCooper]

I know she's crappy in almost everything else, but January Jones fucking NAILED IT in that last shot. Go back and look at her expressions. She switches between ecstasy and horror and joy and guilt in like seven seconds. I don't care if she's a shitty Emma Frost and a shitty everything else. She rocks as Betty.

Please, somebody GIF that.

Oh, and critics can suck it, because this episode was great. It was crazy. While I love the super contemplative episodes, it's nice to have a nutso ep like this every so often. It shakes things up a bit.

[RatskyWatsky]

I completely agree. She's such a fascinating character.

Yeah. I totally don't get the "Betty is so uninteresting I don't want her on my screeeeeen!" stuff that people (Mo Ryan) like to whine about. Betty is incredibly interesting and I'm engrossed every second she's on screen. (although, being Mad Men, I'm engrossed when she isn't on screen too) I hope she's even more prominent in the final 4 episodes this season. Also, more Betty generally means more Sally, and that's always a good thing.

[Angry Fork]

I hate Betty so much, I'm really glad she got shitted on in the end. I feel no sympathy for her what so ever.

Also felt bad for Ginsberg, Don was a real asshole then. Hopefully they settle it by the end of the season. Ginsberg is one of the few fresh nice interesting people on the show hopefully he stays on.

[BertramCooper]

Don may have gotten the satisfaction of telling Ginsberg, "I don't think about you at all," but it was obvious that he was thinking about Ginsberg for almost the entire episode.

Fantastic writing. I really don't get the critics' disdain for this ep.

[Ignatz Mouse]

Don may have gotten the satisfaction of telling Ginsberg, "I don't think about you at all," but it was obvious that he was thinking about Ginsberg for almost the entire episode.

Nicely noted, Bert Campbell.

[BertramCooper]

So, Dark Shadows...

Product placement or not?

[shadyspace]

So, Dark Shadows... Product placement or not?

According to Sepinwall:

This season was written a long time ago, and Weiner had hoped to be on the air in late fall, so it's either an extraordinary coincidence that Megan's friend was auditioning for a role on "Dark Shadows" (the ABC soap opera) in an episode that aired the weekend that "Dark Shadows (the Tim Burton/Johnny Depp film) arrived in theaters, or Megan's friend was originally auditioning for something else, and the scene was rewritten (if not entirely reshot) once it became clear when the episode would air.

[BertramCooper]

So, Weight Watchers...

Product placement or not?

[lazybones18]

Sally should have caught Megan's mom pissing on Roger's face instead

Pete should have had his face fucked in half in the dream sequence instead

>_>

[Solo]

Another great episode. These past 5 episodes have really redeemed the shakey first few. Roger is completely killing it this season. "They make a wine for Jews. Now they want to make a wine for normal people too" :lol :lol Betty, my god. What a pathetic little creature she is. Loved seeing Don finally do some work, but in typical Don fashion, he had to be a total dick about it and shut down Ginsberg for doing better work.

[hamchan]

Critics don't like this episode? Really?

[-Pyromaniac-]

Critics don't like this episode? Really?

it's weird because so many normal viewers seem to like it. Maybe it's one of those things where being a critic sometimes makes something worse than it was, because you're constantly thinking/overanalyzing every little point.

[Meier]

Just watching last night's now. Alexis Bledel! :O

[Dominican Power]

Sally is one sassy, precocious little girl.

[Basileus777]

Critics don't like this episode? Really?

The critics seem to dislike January Jones more than GAF.

[sixteen-bit]

Just watching last night's now. Alexis Bledel! :O

Strategic censoring though :(

[BertramCooper]

The critics seem to dislike January Jones more than GAF.

Which is pretty incredible.

[INDIGO_CYCLOPS]

Just watching last night's now. Alexis Bledel! :O

So god damn hot...

[legend166]

I thought it was a great episode.

I thought Don's comment to Ginsberg came of as extremely petty rather than some great moment. It was the line of a man who's desperately trying to cling on to his past glory. It wouldn't surprise me to see that whole campaign come back to bite Don. Basing an ad campaign around the devil? That wouldn't even fly today, let alone in the 60s.

Also, I'm fulling expecting one of the major plot points of either the end of this season or next season to be Roger's decline into bankruptcy. The guy is throwing cash all over the place.

[Klocker]

watching Inside the Actors Studio interview now and man oh man Sally is an amazing little 12 YO girl, mature beyond and beyond her years..

Also Lane Price is the son of Richard Harris and step son of Rex Harrison.

Matthew Weiner said he knows exactly how he plans to end the series

[Ignatz Mouse]

I thought it was a great episode. I thought Don's comment to Ginsberg came of as extremely petty rather than some great moment. It was the line of a man who's desperately trying to cling on to his past glory. It wouldn't surprise me to see that whole campaign come back to bite Don. Basing an ad campaign around the devil? That wouldn't even fly today, let alone in the 60s. Also, I'm fulling expecting one of the major plot points of either the end of this season or next season to be Roger's decline into bankruptcy. The guy is throwing cash all over the place.

Would work better then than now. Evangelicals didn't have political power outside the South until the 80s.

[BertramCooper]

Don's idea was cleverer. But Ginsberg's had more widespread appeal.

Though we never saw the client, I'm guessing Ginsberg's almost certainly would have won. Which is why Don cheated.

[SickBoy]

I thought it was a great episode. I thought Don's comment to Ginsberg came of as extremely petty rather than some great moment. It was the line of a man who's desperately trying to cling on to his past glory. It wouldn't surprise me to see that whole campaign come back to bite Don. Basing an ad campaign around the devil? That wouldn't even fly today, let alone in the 60s.

Absolutely petty. But a great line in terms of how badly Don shot him down.

As for the campaign, the Caramilk ads in the 80s didn't seem to create any sort of fury... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu066haghDQ

...nor did it set off alarm bells for anyone on the show...

EDIT: Devil doesn't seem all that taboo even in the 60s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=5h-w2aXN-Zc

[Sliver]

I thought Don's idea was terrible and too hokey, but I guess that's not the impression other's get? Figured it was just emphasizing how out of touch he's getting with his job.

[BertramCooper]

I thought Don's idea was terrible and too hokey, but I guess that's not the impression other's get? Figured it was just emphasizing how out of touch he's getting with his job.

It definitely was when he was dictating in his office, but he managed to refine it by the time he pitched it to the rest of creative.

[Socreges]

Absolutely petty. But a great line in terms of how badly Don shot him down. As for the campaign, the Caramilk ads in the 80s didn't seem to create any sort of fury... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu066haghDQ ...nor did it set off alarm bells for anyone on the show... EDIT: Devil doesn't seem quite so taboo even in the 60s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=5h-w2aXN-Zc

Yeah, I wasn't aware that the devil was taboo on American television or ever had been.

[sixteen-bit]

I like how Bert checked his watch when he questioned Roger about his second divorce.

[Poimandres]

Can't believe that January Jones showed some real range. She was great in this episode.

[Imm0rt4l]

Can't believe that January Jones showed some real range. She was great in this episode.

I dunno, she plays an unlikeable seemingly cold or detached character in everything I see her in. Actually, I think her lack of range actually makes her kinda perfect for Betty. Just my opinion though.

[Poimandres]

I dunno, she plays an unlikeable seemingly cold or detached character in everything I see her in. Actually, I think her lack of range actually makes her kinda perfect for Betty. Just my opinion though.

Yeah, she is good as Betty. I only became aware of her problems as an actress when I saw her in things outside of Mad Men and she was less than convincing. But in this episode she displayed emotions outside of the usual Betty range... and did a damn good job of it.

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I thought Don's idea was terrible and too hokey, but I guess that's not the impression other's get? Figured it was just emphasizing how out of touch he's getting with his job.

I tout it was kind of too dark for the product and emphasizing how much he lords over his creative types instead of joining in on the fun. Surprised other people were into it as much as Ginsberg's, I thought they were just gassing Don up.

[Mangotron]

I was positive that idea would be rejected, were companies so much more blasé about offending people back then? On top of the fact that it just seems pretty dark for a childrens snack.

[Dude Abides]

One thing didn't ring true. Rockefeller's divorce (his remarriage to a much younger woman actually) was an issue in the 64 campaign. It would have been old news in 66.

[Ignatz Mouse]

One thing didn't ring true. Rockefeller's divorce (his remarriage to a much younger woman actually) was an issue in the 64 campaign. It would have been old news in 66.

And so it was pointed out.

[scosher]

This show is damn lucky that the girl who plays Sally is actually a good actress. Since they likely casted her all those years ago for her cute face, I assume acting chops didn't really come into consideration until she had to tackle more significant scenes. It could've been as much of a disaster as Dexter's step-daughter's cringe-worthy performances in Season 5.

Now interested to see what she does when she grows up. Hope she doesn't crash and burn like other child actors.

[brianjones]

I thought Don's comment to Ginsberg came of as extremely petty rather than some great moment. It was the line of a man who's desperately trying to cling on to his past glory.

plus, don obviously was thinking about ginzo when he deliberately left his work in the cab

[Rez]

Basing an ad campaign around the devil? That wouldn't even fly today

uh.

[hamchan]

I think Don's devil idea is more clever but Ginsberg's slapstick snowball in the face is more appealing and more appropriate for the market.

[Dude Abides]

And so it was pointed out.

Did Henry correct Betty about that? I must have missed it.