[ruttyboy]

I think everyone in the world should be afforded the opportunity to make something. Not just anything, a work of pure love. Something very personal, something that defines you. It could be a film, a song, whatever. Imagine having a massive budget to make this thing, and a team of talented individuals to help you along the way. You have total creative freedom. You work tirelessly for months, putting your everything into this creative work. And when it's done, you've never been prouder of anything in your whole life. So finally, you have the distribution. Everyone in the world is going to know that you made this. It may not sell, but the world will know it's yours, and that's all that matters. So the big release/launch date approaches, and right dead center of the biggest store, you can see your baby, that thing you worked so hard on. "Free: Take One" Congratulations. Everyone is now entitled to what you made. Now **** off and make me something else. That's piracy in a nutshell.

Wait, what? So whether it sells or not doesn´t matter but then get pissed because it is selling (to far more people than it would otherwise) but you´re not coining it in?

Your post makes no sense, it´s self-contradictory.

[saunderez]

Do people pirate books?

There's no need. Things called libraries exist where you can borrow books for a short period of time for free. Funnily enough the libraries around here stock a lot of DVDs and music as well as books.

[Glass Rebel]

If I could steal something while my "victim" gets to keep his property, I'd do it all the time.

No seriously, I don't judge people who pirate, I just choose to pay for my shit.

v right-click saved, come at me bro

[Thoraxes]

My avatar has another use apparently.

[Xenon]

Piracy is to Stealing as Anal is to Sex.

Technically they are not the same, but basically they are.

[Ventilaator]

So...a totally hypothetical situation

Person wants to watch a TV show. That TV show isn't shown on any channel in the random small country he lives in. DVDs for it also aren't sold anywhere because stores see no reason to stock them, because they assume nobody cares. Person pirates the show, loves it, tells all his friends about it, including some foreign friends who can actually buy DVDs for it or watch it on TV. Gets about a dozen new people talking about the show, who then mention it to their friends and suddenly the show has a pile of new fans.

Question: Who exactly was hurt in this process?

[blainethemono]

There's no need. Things called libraries exist where you can borrow books for a short period of time for free. Funnily enough the libraries around here stock a lot of DVDs and music as well as books.

There are definitely people who pirate ebooks, and audiobooks as well...Its more worthwhile to buy all my ebooks because it's cheap and i'd rather have a legit version that works with kindle whispersync across all my devices

[Sir Fragula]

So...a totally hypothetical situation

Here's another good-un;

You buy a game on a console platform. Months later you upgrade your PC and want to play the same game on PC. You "pirate" it.

Who loses?



To the wider point, the problem is that we live in a post-scarcity world for 75% of the goods and services we consume, but we haven't updated our social and economic models to compensate for this.

[Slavik81]

To the wider point, the problem is that we live in a post-scarcity world for 75% of the goods and services we consume, but we haven't updated our social and economic models to compensate for this.

And doing so is literally going to take decades. Entrenched interests are really going to make the process difficult. Unfortunately, the benefits of looser copyright laws are diffuse, while the benefits of harsh laws are concentrated.

[Goya]

Do people pirate books? I'm still not on the ebook train so I couldn't imagine reading on anything other than physical paper.

Yes. Textbooks and monographs aren't enjoyable reading anyhow and are super expensive / sometimes out of print, so they are pirated frequently.

[Tacitus_]

I think everyone in the world should be afforded the opportunity to make something. Not just anything, a work of pure love. Something very personal, something that defines you. It could be a film, a song, whatever. Imagine having a massive budget to make this thing, and a team of talented individuals to help you along the way. You have total creative freedom. You work tirelessly for months, putting your everything into this creative work. And when it's done, you've never been prouder of anything in your whole life. So finally, you have the distribution. Everyone in the world is going to know that you made this. It may not sell, but the world will know it's yours, and that's all that matters. So the big release/launch date approaches, and right dead center of the biggest store, you can see your baby, that thing you worked so hard on. "Free: Take One" Congratulations. Everyone is now entitled to what you made. Now **** off and make me something else. That's piracy in a nutshell.

Your argument assumes that the only reason people create anything is to make money off their creation, which is patently false. Not to mention that the bolded still happens, whether you give it away for free, someone pirates it or someone buys it.

[Sylver]

Do people pirate books? I'm still not on the ebook train so I couldn't imagine reading on anything other than physical paper.

Yep there some special portals about this. and If you include manga/comics ratio increase exponentially.

[neorej]

So...a totally hypothetical situation Person wants to watch a TV show. That TV show isn't shown on any channel in the random small country he lives in. DVDs for it also aren't sold anywhere because stores see no reason to stock them, because they assume nobody cares. Person pirates the show, loves it, tells all his friends about it, including some foreign friends who can actually buy DVDs for it or watch it on TV. Gets about a dozen new people talking about the show, who then mention it to their friends and suddenly the show has a pile of new fans. Question: Who exactly was hurt in this process?

The future distributor, of course. If someone in the future decides to distribute the show on dvd or cable, he is seriously at a disadvantage.

Of course, the logical fact that interest in the series and therefor any income gained from it stems from piracy in the first place, does not matter.

[ReBurn]

When can we download houses? It would solve the homelessness problem. See someone on the street? Download a house for them.

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

A street performer who is already getting billions in 'donations.' I think it's obviously not immoral to not donate, and it's absolutely immoral for the street performer to sic the police on people who don't donate. Great analogy!

Are you being sarcastic? The street performer willingly agrees to this arrangement. This is a terrible analogy.

Yeah, of course that decision lies in the hands of the artist. But the decision to share music I buy should also lie in my hands (or at least, I shouldn't be persecuted for making that decision, same difference). What a non-argument.

So... it lies in the hands of the artist until he makes the "wrong" decision, and then it lies in your hands. "Non-argument" indeed.

To RIAA: WHO GIVES A FUCK? Music and movies aren't a necessity of life. You are all already a bunch of overpaid cunts. The Hollywood and music industry makes millions. Why don't you instead divert your attention to more important things in life, such as the millions of children, women and men who are starving in the world?

This line of reasoning can be used for anything. Executives in every industry are overpaid. That sucks, but it's really a separate issue and doesn't entitle you to skip the bill.

Your argument assumes that the only reason people create anything is to make money off their creation, which is patently false. Not to mention that the bolded still happens, whether you give it away for free, someone pirates it or someone buys it.

No, it assumes that it's a reason. Many of us get a lot from our jobs besides just money, but I still need my paycheck.

[shuri]

So...a totally hypothetical situation Person wants to watch a TV show. That TV show isn't shown on any channel in the random small country he lives in. DVDs for it also aren't sold anywhere because stores see no reason to stock them, because they assume nobody cares. Person pirates the show, loves it, tells all his friends about it, including some foreign friends who can actually buy DVDs for it or watch it on TV. Gets about a dozen new people talking about the show, who then mention it to their friends and suddenly the show has a pile of new fans. Question: Who exactly was hurt in this process?

tv shows are doing this for money, not for fans.

There is also no excuse in 2012 for not being able to import stuff.

[StuKen]

There is also no excuse in 2012 for not being able to import stuff.

Only with region coding and regional licensing agreements the media companies ensure that the consumer does not have access to content at the best prices or even at all in many cases, they themselves don't have to compete globally and their monopoly practices are safe for whatever the next round of consumer gouging they see fit to inflict.

[tornjaw]

[Sylver]

Piracy is this:

or this (if you want a recent image):




The other thing is just copy.

[Copernicus]

Those analogies are always faulty because they are always using another consumer instead of the creator for the potential loss.

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Google copying Java for a billion Android phones: $150,000 damages. You copying 1 MP3 file for personal use: $150,000 damages.

https://twitter.com/#!/jpobst/status/201073968109731840

[Warm Machine]

Only with region coding and regional licensing agreements the media companies ensure that the consumer does not have access to content at the best prices or even at all in many cases, they themselves don't have to compete globally and their monopoly practices are safe for whatever the next round of consumer gouging they see fit to inflict.

You do know that money changes hands and business is done by selling publishing/release rights in various countries right?

You make a movie or TV show and Paramount might release it in the US but Canal+ will release it in France and a Chinese company will release it in China. That is because these local companies fund the translation/subtitles/localization/advertising etc. to allow its release in those territories. They are legally allowed to do so via the business transaction.

That is why importing something that has otherwise been licensed to someone else has grounds for breaking the sales contract.

Worst case scenario of this is Harmony Gold and Robotech/Macross. It isn't gouging, it is business as usual.

There's no need. Things called libraries exist where you can borrow books for a short period of time for free. Funnily enough the libraries around here stock a lot of DVDs and music as well as books.

Yes but that is a physical item they are borrowing. While the person is borrowing it from the library no one else has the opportunity to enjoy the exact same piece of media until it is returned.

[FLEABttn]

The other thing is just copy.

And gay is happy, the other thing is just homosexuality.

[Sylver]

And gay is happy, the other thing is just homosexuality.

Then good for gays, right? :D

[Warm Machine]

Citation please. And no anecdotal evidence or propaganda. I've already posted studies on previous threads showing that music piracy only hurts superstar artists and benefits basically everyone else.

I made a video game and put it up for $5 on PC as a DRM free download (to be pro consumer) on various DD retailers. A number of torrents went up within hours of its availability. The game has yet to break even on costs, and those costs are low considering the game. I have a family and the piracy hasn't helped feed them.

[FLEABttn]

But seriously, the use of piracy as a word for copyright infringement has existed since the 1600's. So, yes, it's an appropriately used term.

[Sylver]

But seriously, the use of piracy as a word for copyright infringement has existed since the 1600's. So, yes, it's an appropriately used term.

Yes I was only criticizing that image. imo piracy is no theft, what people calls piracy is just copy. In many countries copy is not an infringment (I don't know the US legislation) but in many States you can get a copy of any stuff you buy or leave someone a copy if you don't get earns about that. A judge is who decide what it's an infringement or not. You're a not a pirate for download some you have not paid for, you're only copying some file, but the original file is still there.
Problem here is companies thinks a copied file is a sale lost. A think we can debate for.

[Sentry]

Didn't know where to post this and I can't make a thread, but; The Pirate Bay is down.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/16/30...ne-ddos-attack

http://arstechnica.com/security/2012...or-over-a-day/