[kittens]

we have entered a batshit insane alternate universe in which star fox is deathly serious and metroid is campy unserious goofballs

Seriously. How do people not perceive these things. Metroid obviously isn't "deadly serious," but from its atmosphere to its gameplay, it's a hell of a lot more sinister than Star Fox.

[EatChildren]

Which is different than the last two or three games in each franchise, how? It depends on how good the game is and how good it looks.

Metroid has one anomaly: Other M. And that game is a brilliant case study of how to fuck around an existing, loyal fanbase.

Prime is probably sitting on 2+ million worldwide. Echoes underwhelmed, as I don't think it broke 1 million. Prime 3 last clocked in at ~1.3 million worldwide. Given the cost of production, age of the franchise, and demographic of the Wii, this is not bad at all. Metroid is, for all intents and purposes, a fairly consistently strong selling franchise within Nintendo's realm.

Other M fucked it up due to Nintendo having the bright idea to sculpt the series into something it wasn't. In a foolish attempt to appeal to the cinematic/story driven market, they took a franchise unknown for these themes and butchered it until it fit the new mould. Surprise surprise, it sold like shit. New audiences didn't want the game due to the subpar quality, poor marketing, and iffy Wii demographic, and Metroid fans were pissed off that the franchise had taken a new direction.

If anything, Metroid's design and sales history shows how much potential the series has, and how dedicated the fanbase continues to be.

The decline in sales for Star Fox is proportional to the increasingly shitty quality of the games, and abandonment of the core design philosophy, which much like Other M conflicts with the established fanbase. Star Fox Adventures? Zelda clone. Star Fox Assault? Junk game. Command was a weird attempt to return to roots, and it didn't work, indicating the franchise probably needs to be taken back to the drawing board. A case for SF64 3D can be made to support this, but that game tanked for a multitude of reasons.

So looking at this, why on earth would Nintendo want to combine the franchises, when seemingly everything written there is what Star Fox needs, and not Metroid? Ground exploration, combat systems, character banter, space flight and battles, and so on. Sounds like a recipe to reboot Star Fox with a big blockbuster game and hope like hell it pays off.

But Metroid doesn't need it, not when we've already come off the back of a dud that shows just how fickle the fanbase is. Again, Metroid isn't example of a series that has worsened in sales. Prime 3 is a current generation title that made ground lost by Echoes. This is growth. Other M distanced itself from the franchise' roots, and ended up tanking. Metroid doesn't need to be merged with Star Fox in an entirely new cross franchise game to be 'revived'. Metroid needs to go back to being Metroid.

Valva ripped id off! That's the story of Quake III Arena. Suesuesuesueblarfggehrrg!

Nope. They're part of the same universe, don't you see? Equally profound philosophical mumbo jumbo on the grim dark horrors of war.

[Hiltz]

Rob: A bomb has been planted at the base.
Wolf: Can't let you do that, Star Fox!
Fox: Geez! Can anyone take care of it?
Leon: Andross has ordered us to ...
Samus: ... The baby.
Fox: !?
Falco: What did she say?
Samus: The baby can.
Slippy: Who is this crazy bitch ?
Samus: Leave it to the baby.

[SykoTech]

Sounds....really stupid. Probably not true.

That said, I'd check it out for the Metroid half. Especially if it's more like Prime 1 and 2, not Prime 3. The isolation part makes me hopeful.

[Instro]

Instead of a crossover they should do a double pack game. Orange Box style yo.

[Brandon F]

"Zach, my coffee this morning gave me this incredible scoop about Retro's next game!"

[nincompoop]

Honestly, I never pictured Samus existing in the same universe as a bunch of furry talking animals. Will only buy if it features hot Samus-Krystal lesbian make out action.

[hatchx]

The B-movie-ness of Samus' monologue in Super Metroid, the "See You Next Mission!" message the end, and corniness of some of the dialogue in Fusion, all of the dialogue in Other M, plus the very, very comic book-inspired art style of Zero Mission leads me to think that this whole perception of Metroid being so "adult" and "serious" stems from the Prime series and nowhere else. But if the only point of comparison people are willing to use is Starfox 64, then sure, the "feel" of Metroid is nothing like Starfox at all.

Yeah, but dude, that was the 90s. Basically twenty years ago.


As someone said earlier, it comes down to gameplay. The game could be friggin' amazing. It is a weird (and seemingly stupid idea) but I trust anything Retro does.

Just seems like two ideas mashed together. I don't understand how they cross over.

[Hot Coldman]

"Zach, my coffee this morning gave me this incredible scoop about Retro's next game!"

:lol

[EatChildren]

"Zach, my coffee this morning gave me this incredible scoop about Retro's next game!"

Beautiful.

[MisterHero]

Starfox + Metroid could be awesome.

Of course, I still would prefer Mario + Zelda or Mario + Sonic

[animlboogy]

This is a retarded idea.

If they pull it off, it'll really be something...

[Box]

You can't take the isolation of the original Metroid trilogy as an indication that the series was intended to be seen as Alien the Nintendo Game.

I think the film Alien had a huge influence on the production of the first Metroid game. All of the team members were affected by HR Giger's design work, and I think they were aware that such designs would be a good match for the Metroid world we had already put in place

http://www.metroid-database.com/sm/retrogamer_60-61.jpg - The quote comes from the middle of the first paragraph on the part with the red background.

Found by way of http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/List_o...roid_and_Alien

[Tuck]

This is the stupidest rumor I've heard in a long time.

[Paul Gale]

What's so funny about this is that he was posting in the Wii-U about 'how AWESOME the rumor is, I just have to post it". When questioned about if he believed in his source, he side-stepped the question completely. Then he posts this abomination and everybody dogs the rumor for how horrible this idea is. :lol You know what I believe? Just like with TMNT, PGN made this up completely himself. He came up with a "cool" idea, and wanted everyone to listen but he knew no one would really give a shit about some random idea. So be slapped a big fat rumor label on it and baited some of the posters in the WiiU spec thread with it, knowing they would post a thread about it. Hell, if you read through the lines he basically admits the idea is made up and has zero possibility of being real. Well guess what PG? Your idea sucks, and you (IMO) should be banned for making me even consider it was a possibility that a TMNT game was being developed by Rocksteady.

I didn't make up either rumor, but in the end, yes I chose to share both. There are dozens of rumors that come out of thin air over all things video game related each and every day on the internet, and that number multiplies times 10 as we approach E3. And no one is dodging anything. I said that I would give my thoughts as to how valid I believe this rumor to be in the article itself. I'm not on the internet to cause harm and hopeless wishing for gamers, only to leave them disappointed in the end. I'm here to bring what I know to be fact, to the masses...as I've done with Street Fighter IV, Metal Gear Solid 5, and PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale. In the case of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Manhattan Crisis and Star Fox - Metroid: Fusion Saga, they're but two of many rumors that I receive weekly. Out of the few years that Paul Gale Network has been online, only putting up considerable rumors a handful of times equals a ratio of 1: Every Few Hundred Days. The rest of the year my site has normal video game news, charts, martial arts tutorial videos, offers people the chance to get in shape by asking my for fitness advice, fun projects that I work on and share for entertainment sake, and so on. Then there's my real life outside of the internet. I don't have time to go online and make BS, because I have an outside job, I do exercise frequently, I train in martial arts, I actually like playing video games, watching TV, and movies. I have a social life, a family life, and so on. It's the internet and we're all equally entitled to an opinion, as are you, but allow me to honest with you. If something is called a RUMOR, don't shoot the messenger.

[Ezalc]

No problem, dude. :) And if this thing is true, perhaps it should be called "Fusion: Star Fox - Metroid" and if it does well, Nintendo could do other Fusion titles like "Fusion: Mario - Donkey Kong" and "Fusion: Pokemon - Fire Emblem". Hah, that'd be quite the change for the company and pretty unnecessary, but it'd help make for a little more sense to this story. Can't believe that E3 is so soon. Then there won't be any rumors to put up, plain and simple.

Should be called Steroid.

But seriously this sounds terrible, I could see something like this work in Smash Bros like Samus and Fox working together instead of Samus and Pikachu and Fox and Diddy but a game completely based around this would be pretty odd and just seem like it wouldn't work well at all. Even if it is Retro I think it'd just come off looking like they were too lazy to make a full new title for either series and decided to just make like half each and slap on in a game together.

[civilstrife]

This explains that Samus/Mii multiplayer thing last E3

Probably the prototype multiplayer mode for this.

[Muramasa]

best joke i heard in a long time.

[Boss Doggie]

lol again. Its the fucking delivery whats its important. If the franchise have new games it will never EVER get in the roots of the shitty Assault storyline. Im pretty sure they would even retcon that game if they make any game thats after Star Fox 64 or Adventures. And if you took seriously command's melodrama your where doing it wrong. The multiple endings was an indication, as it was Dylan Cuthbert saying it was just fun little story where none of those endings actually happened.

I don't see what's wrong with Assault's story. It's pretty much typical - nothing too different from your Borg invasion, so why the hate?

[SailorDaravon]

Rob: A bomb has been planted at the base. Wolf: Can't let you do that, Star Fox! Fox: Geez! Can anyone take care of it? Leon: Andross has ordered us to ... Samus: ... The baby. Fox: !? Falco: What did she say? Samus: The baby can. Slippy: Who is this crazy bitch ? Samus: Leave it to the baby.

I'm back on board!

[botty]

This... isn't the game everyone wants them to do.

[hatchx]

Metroid has one anomaly: Other M. And that game is a brilliant case study of how to fuck around an existing, loyal fanbase. Prime is probably sitting on 2+ million worldwide. Echoes underwhelmed, as I don't think it broke 1 million. Prime 3 last clocked in at ~1.3 million worldwide. Given the cost of production, age of the franchise, and demographic of the Wii, this is not bad at all. Metroid is, for all intents and purposes, a fairly consistently strong selling franchise within Nintendo's realm. Other M fucked it up due to Nintendo having the bright idea to sculpt the series into something it wasn't. In a foolish attempt to appeal to the cinematic/story driven market, they took a franchise unknown for these themes and butchered it until it fit the new mould. Surprise surprise, it sold like shit. New audiences didn't want the game due to the subpar quality, poor marketing, and iffy Wii demographic, and Metroid fans were pissed off that the franchise had taken a new direction. If anything, Metroid's design and sales history shows how much potential the series has, and how dedicated the fanbase continues to be. The decline in sales for Star Fox is proportional to the increasingly shitty quality of the games, and abandonment of the core design philosophy, which much like Other M conflicts with the established fanbase. Star Fox Adventures? Zelda clone. Star Fox Assault? Junk game. Command was a weird attempt to return to roots, and it didn't work, indicating the franchise probably needs to be taken back to the drawing board. A case for SF64 3D can be made to support this, but that game tanked for a multitude of reasons. So looking at this, why on earth would Nintendo want to combine the franchises, when seemingly everything written there is what Star Fox needs, and not Metroid? Ground exploration, combat systems, character banter, space flight and battles, and so on. Sounds like a recipe to reboot Star Fox with a big blockbuster game and hope like hell it pays off. But Metroid doesn't need it, not when we've already come off the back of a dud that shows just how fickle the fanbase is. Again, Metroid isn't example of a series that has worsened in sales. Prime 3 is a current generation title that made ground lost by Echoes. This is growth. Other M distanced itself from the franchise' roots, and ended up tanking. Metroid doesn't need to be merged with Star Fox in an entirely new cross franchise game to be 'revived'. Metroid needs to go back to being Metroid.

First bolding: Metroid Other M didn't sell like shit. IIRC, it outsold Metroid Prime 2 and just cracked one million.

Second bolding: Starfox 64 didn't tank. It was one of the top ten best selling games on 3DS in 2011, and it came out in September. We don't have concrete numbers, but that has to stand for something. It was also a remake.

Third bolding: I don't see how Prime 3 made up for lost ground on what Prime 2 lost. The wii was exploding and Prime 3 was a game pushed from the earliest Wii promo events. Prime 2 was a sequel on a dead-ish system at the end of it's life. I love the Prime games, but I think it's safe to say that approach is too hardcore, too full of puzzles, and too lacking of violence/dudebro gameplay for massive sales.



Hell, Metroid is a franchise that can always sell well. It has a main character in a helmet that has a gun for an arm. It all depends on their approach. Personally, I think they should bring it back to 2D form. The style and controls (forgetting FP view) of Other M almost had it, and I think it could be a great success on the 3DS.

[Rodney McKay]

Not going to lie, I want this to be true.

I think it sounds amazing!

[evilromero]

First bolding: Metroid Other M didn't sell like shit. IIRC, it outsold Metroid Prime 2 and just cracked one million. Second bolding: Starfox 64 didn't tank. It was one of the top ten best selling games on 3DS in 2011, and it came out in September. We don't have concrete numbers, but that has to stand for something. It was also a remake. Third bolding: I don't see how Prime 3 made up for lost ground on what Prime 2 lost. The wii was exploding and Prime 3 was a game pushed from the earliest Wii promo events. Prime 2 was a sequel on a dead-ish system at the end of it's life. I love the Prime games, but I think it's safe to say that approach is too hardcore, too full of puzzles, and too lacking of violence/dudebro gameplay for massive sales. Hell, Metroid is a franchise that can always sell well. It has a main character in a helmet that has a gun for an arm. It all depends on their approach. Personally, I think they should bring it back to 2D form. They style and controls (forgetting FP view) of Other M almost had it, and I think it could be a great success on the 3DS.

Other M did sell like shit. It still hasn't crossed the half a million mark in the US. Echoes sold about 800,000 in the years after it was released. Too soon to say how Other M will do but I can say that it being discounted to $12 is not a good sign.

[Neon_Icarus]

I think people are letting their hatred towards Other M affect their judgement a little bit.
It's more the rule than the exception for Nintendo's franchises to sell less for their second installment on the same platform.

Sales of Mario platformers, Legend of Zelda and Metroid:

NES

SMB (over 40M) > SMB3 (over 15M)

LoZ (over 6M) > Adventure of Link (over 4M)

SNES

SMW (Over 20M) > SMW2:YI (over 4M)

N64

Ocarina of Time (over 7M) > Majora's Mask (over 3M)

GC

Metroid Prime (over 2M) > Metroid Prime 2 (around 800 000)

Wii

Twilight Princess(more than 7M for both versions) > Skyward Sword(around 3.5M)

Super Mario Galaxy (over 10M) > Super Mario Galaxy 2 (over 6M)

Metroid Prime 3 (over 1M) > Other M (around 800 000???*)

*We have no total sales figures, since it didn't sell more than a million by March 2011, but considering the initial sales in the US and total sales in Japan, it's fair to assume that at least around as much as Prime 2.



Sure, we don't have latest figures for any of these, but I think even so, there is a clear trend here. Did Nintendo find Other M's sales dissapointing? Considering the production values and how long the development of the game took, sure. But hardly enough to ban Sakamoto from ever working on the series again.

EDIT:

Other M did sell like shit. It still hasn't crossed the half a million mark in the US. Echoes sold about 800,000 in the years after it was released. Too soon to say how Other M will do but I can say that it being discounted to $12 is not a good sign.

How do you know it hasn't crossed half a million in the US? Being discounted is definitely a sign of overshipping, but not necessarily a sign of being a huge flop.

[Gamer @ Heart]

So batshit. So good. What a wonderful treat to wake up too. I love the idea of another series crossover, this time in another kind of genre. But man, this is a huge pill to swallow.

God I love pre E3.

[Instro]

I think people are letting their hatred towards Other M affect their judgement a little bit. It's more the rule than the exception for Nintendo's franchises to sell less for their second installment on the same platform.

It's important to consider that Other M was selling at heavily discounted prices not long after release. It is now selling for $8 at BB. I certainly don't they will remove Sakamoto from the franchise though.

[TheNatural]

Metroid has one anomaly: Other M. And that game is a brilliant case study of how to fuck around an existing, loyal fanbase. Prime is probably sitting on 2+ million worldwide. Echoes underwhelmed, as I don't think it broke 1 million. Prime 3 last clocked in at ~1.3 million worldwide. Given the cost of production, age of the franchise, and demographic of the Wii, this is not bad at all. Metroid is, for all intents and purposes, a fairly consistently strong selling franchise within Nintendo's realm. Other M fucked it up due to Nintendo having the bright idea to sculpt the series into something it wasn't. In a foolish attempt to appeal to the cinematic/story driven market, they took a franchise unknown for these themes and butchered it until it fit the new mould. Surprise surprise, it sold like shit. New audiences didn't want the game due to the subpar quality, poor marketing, and iffy Wii demographic, and Metroid fans were pissed off that the franchise had taken a new direction. If anything, Metroid's design and sales history shows how much potential the series has, and how dedicated the fanbase continues to be. The decline in sales for Star Fox is proportional to the increasingly shitty quality of the games, and abandonment of the core design philosophy, which much like Other M conflicts with the established fanbase. Star Fox Adventures? Zelda clone. Star Fox Assault? Junk game. Command was a weird attempt to return to roots, and it didn't work, indicating the franchise probably needs to be taken back to the drawing board. A case for SF64 3D can be made to support this, but that game tanked for a multitude of reasons. So looking at this, why on earth would Nintendo want to combine the franchises, when seemingly everything written there is what Star Fox needs, and not Metroid? Ground exploration, combat systems, character banter, space flight and battles, and so on. Sounds like a recipe to reboot Star Fox with a big blockbuster game and hope like hell it pays off. But Metroid doesn't need it, not when we've already come off the back of a dud that shows just how fickle the fanbase is. Again, Metroid isn't example of a series that has worsened in sales. Prime 3 is a current generation title that made ground lost by Echoes. This is growth. Other M distanced itself from the franchise' roots, and ended up tanking. Metroid doesn't need to be merged with Star Fox in an entirely new cross franchise game to be 'revived'. Metroid needs to go back to being Metroid. Nope. They're part of the same universe, don't you see? Equally profound philosophical mumbo jumbo on the grim dark horrors of war.

Whether or not you think the Prime series was good, the only one that sold really well was the original. Nintendo didn't see it fit to even continue producing Corruption for sale, and it's long been since taken off the shelves. They went from making no Metroid games for years, to a ridiculous influx of them of varying quality completely flooding the market. I played the original Prime and liked it, but even as the best of the crop of Metroid games, the game wasn't really appropriate to made into a cookie cutter series and I had no interest in the sequels. That's not counting ridiculous crap like a DS multiplayer only shooter, a pinball game, and Other M.

Starfox speaks on its own on how far it's fallen, don't need to go into detail there. Both franchises have little to lose by any sort of games after how the franchises have been treated the past decade. A launch crossover could bring interest back to both.

[evilromero]

How do you know it hasn't crossed half a million in the US? Being discounted is definitely a sign of overshipping, but not necessarily a sign of being a huge flop.

I don't know but I will say there is no way they shipped that many to begin with. I don't believe there was a precedent for Other M to sell very well initially. This would lead me to believe all the marked down inventory has been around for quite a while.

[Dinosaur]

StarFox Prime confirmed

[GSR]

What the actual fuck? When I read the topic I thought it meant a SF game with Metroid Fusion-esque gameplay, but an actual crossover?

I mean, I'd definitely be interested if it was real, but it's so far out of left field that I don't even know what to say.

[evilromero]

Whether or not you think the Prime series was good, the only one that sold really well was the original. Nintendo didn't see it fit to even continue producing Corruption for sale, and it's long been since taken off the shelves. They went from making no Metroid games for years, to a ridiculous influx of them of varying quality completely flooding the market. I played the original Prime and liked it, but even as the best of the crop of Metroid games, the game wasn't really appropriate to made into a cookie cutter series and I had no interest in the sequels. That's not counting ridiculous crap like a DS multiplayer only shooter, a pinball game, and Other M. Starfox speaks on its own on how far it's fallen, don't need to go into detail there. Both franchises have little to lose by any sort of games after how the franchises have been treated the past decade. A launch crossover could bring interest back to both.

You really just said "a ridiculous influx" of Metroid games? You mean three Prime games over seven years? And then suggested Echoes and Corruption as cookie-cutter? Cookie-cutter compared to what? The only other Prime game? All three of those games are universally praised. Also, Prime 3 sold well enough (much better than Echoes).

[Leeroy3101]

I'd buy this game as long as it doesn't have another horrible fetch quest.

[SUBZERO-08]

There aren't very many things that make me say "what the fuck" like this did. Really hoping this is false.

[TheNatural]

You really just said "a ridiculous influx" of Metroid games? You mean three Prime games over seven years? And then suggested Echoes and Corruption as cookie-cutter? Cookie-cutter compared to what? The only other Prime game? All three of those games are universally praised. Also, Prime 3 sold well enough (much better than Echoes).

They went from zero games in about 8 years to two GBA games, two DS games, two Gamecube games, two Wii games, and a Collection in the next eight. About one a year, plenty enough for series fatigue.

This for a series that is a niche series, it was not really a good thing to blowout the series like that. Mario can take it, the Metroid series can't. It blew out any significance of a new title being special.

[radioheadrule83]

I don't think is true or likely for one minute, but if they took the Starfox crew and made them more realistic / non-furry, I definitely think they could turn out a descent space epic and perhaps save the old brand..

[Setre]

Sounds crazy as hell, I'm all for it. Besides Retro seems like a developer who could pull something like this off. Even if the story is shit the gameplay should be fun.

[Neon_Icarus]

It's important to consider that Other M was selling at heavily discounted prices not long after release. It is now selling for $8 at BB. I certainly don't they will remove Sakamoto from the franchise though.

Yeah, I have no doubt that Nintendo overshipped it, but didn't the huge discounts only start in 2011? That should mean it sold at least half-decent during the holidays in 2010.

Besides, on the PS360, big discounts are common where I come from. I bought games like Portal 2, Arkham Asylum, Red Dead Redemption and Uncharted 3 for 20£ pretty soon after release, and nobody considers those games to have flopped. Dead Space had even bigger discounts and it still sold well enough to get a sequel.

[Ahasverus]

Like the TNMT Rocksteady network?
Isn't your ass hurt for getting that many rumors out of it? Paul?

[jett]

wat

I hope this isn't true

[evilromero]

They went from zero games in about 8 years to two GBA games, two DS games, two Gamecube games, two Wii games, and a Collection in the next eight. About one a year, plenty enough for series fatigue. This for a series that is a niche series, it was not really a good thing to blowout the series like that. Mario can take it, the Metroid series can't. It blew out any significance of a new title being special.

The franchise was mismanaged during the 90s, meaning they foolishly let it lapse into obscurity. You're arguing the quality of the Metroid games is somehow impacted by the fact that several were released during the 00s. And for the record the pinball game was actually really well done. Your argument would hold more water if every other franchise worth its salt wasn't dwarfing Metroid with annual releases.

[clem84]

Sounds terrible. Really. That's a cross-over that doesn't make sense at all.

.

[User Name Here]

Do I get to ram an awing into Riddle's face?

I'm confused.

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

disBelieve.

(Day 1 whatever it is)

[Hot Coldman]

The franchise was mismanaged during the 90s, meaning they foolishly let it lapse into obscurity. You're arguing the quality of the Metroid games is somehow impacted by the fact that several were released during the 00s. And for the record the pinball game was actually really well done. Your argument would hold more water if every other franchise worth its salt wasn't dwarfing Metroid with annual releases.

Don't forget the death of Gunpei Yokoi (and his prior fall from power in Nintendo) probably made Nintendo hesitant to go near his (other) baby.

[Muramasa]

Even if Metroid title dont sell so well. I think they are hardcore fans console sellers. I would definitly buy a console just for a Metroid title. But really? Metroid x Star Fox is just.. meh.

[King_Moc]

So, that'd be Metroid, Star Fox and F-Zero all sharing the same universe.

Maybe Captain Falcon can Falcon punch Mother Brain at the end?

[TheNatural]

The franchise was mismanaged during the 90s, meaning they foolishly let it lapse into obscurity. You're arguing the quality of the Metroid games is somehow impacted by the fact that several were released during the 00s. And for the record the pinball game was actually really well done. Your argument would hold more water if every other franchise worth its salt wasn't dwarfing Metroid with annual releases.

There's no universal standard for the amount of releases it takes to run a franchise into the ground for it to need a reboot. Hell, Mario's line is somewhere near infinite with it heading towards 30 years of annual releases of some kind without it fatiguing.

I played Prime, I considered it one of my favorite games of that generation, so I know how good it is. I also know, it's not very pick up and play and I knew the sequels wouldn't have near an interest in the original if released quickly without a ton of difference and that's what they did. It's also not the best thing to take a franchise like a Metroid, F-Zero, Star Fox, or anything else with that type of specific interest and try to turn it into a series with various spinoffs.

People just want to blame how bad Other M was on it not selling, but going into the game no one knew that. It was more franchise fatigue and there was zero hype about the game going in because a new Metroid game is no longer something special anymore, the series wore out it's welcome and needs a reboot of some kind.

[apana]

Nintendo should just do its own version of Avengers with Nintendo characters. Anyways I want cel shaded Metroid.

[walking fiend]

There's no universal standard for the amount of releases it takes to run a franchise into the ground for it to need a reboot. Hell, Mario's line is somewhere near infinite with it heading towards 30 years of annual releases of some kind without it fatiguing. I played Prime, I considered it one of my favorite games of that generation, so I know how good it is. I also know, it's not very pick up and play and I knew the sequels wouldn't have near an interest in the original if released quickly without a ton of difference and that's what they did. It's also not the best thing to take a franchise like a Metroid, F-Zero, Star Fox, or anything else with that type of specific interest and try to turn it into a series with various spinoffs. People just want to blame how bad Other M was on it not selling, but going into the game no one knew that. It was more franchise fatigue and there was zero hype about the game going in because a new Metroid game is no longer something special anymore, the series wore out it's welcome and needs a reboot of some kind.

A new core game by Nintendo is nothing to put sales chart on fire in general now; SS has barely passed 3m 'shipped' status (or much more accurately, a new core game on a Nintendo system is not going to sell ATM)

Plus, there's a vast gap between a new Metroid by Retro and one from Ninja Theory.