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Member
(05-20-2012, 04:16 AM)
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#9851
Woo
Finally bought all the pieces of my New PC. (Still need SSD to arrive) i5 3570K ($200 from MicroCenter) AsRock z77 Pro 4 ($70 with 50 discount from MicroCenter) Corsair Vengence 8GB ($42 from NewEgg) Samsung 830 128 GB ($110 from NewEgg) Corsair cx430 ($17 from NewEgg) Zalmon Z9 ($28 from MicroCenter) Total $467 Yes I know there's no Graphics Card for now but I only plan to play Skrym, Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 on this for now (Hate FPS games). So the HD 4000 should be good for now. Also know that the power supply is a little weak but after a little research I found out an over powered power supply is actually bad. My power calculations say my current power usage (including a 2 TB HardDrive I plan to get soon) is under 200 Watts and even after a 7850 (my planned graphics card, waiting for prices to drop when the 660 and 650 comes out) and the 3570K OCed to 4.2 ghz or whatever max ghz I can obtain with no voltage increase its still under 300 Watts.
Last edited by ccbfan; 05-20-2012 at 04:20 AM.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 04:21 AM)
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#9852
You need a bit more oomph to play those at playable rates. If you're overclocking, you should look into a different PSU as well. That is going to be really limited once you look into adding a card (which you really should do right now anyway). If you don't have the budget for it, save for a few more weeks. |
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(05-20-2012, 04:34 AM)
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#9853
Playing Diablo III @ 1920x1080 with the HD4000 right now just fine (and I've even played it on the HD3000... not as great but still works)
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Member
(05-20-2012, 04:37 AM)
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#9854
I only plan to low OC my process and from everything I've read a low OC of 4.2 ghz would mean no voltage increase and would barely effect my wattage usage. Using http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine I haven't been able to get my wattage usage above 300 yet with my desired Graphics card. |
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(05-20-2012, 05:11 AM)
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#9855
I doubt it though.
Sucks that small form factors are on the wrong end of the supply demand curve, especially considering that small form factors would require fewer raw materials. I used that case for a friend's build, and I really like it. Cases that take at least 120mm fans or larger are winners.
Last edited by claviertekky; 05-20-2012 at 05:23 AM.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 05:59 AM)
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#9856
On top of that, decent case design to allow proper high end parts increases the cost of them. But really, someone just make an all aluminum Arc Mini. If Lian Li just flat out stole the design, it would be the most perfect case on the planet. |
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Blacks Anonymous™
(05-20-2012, 07:08 AM)
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#9857
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(05-20-2012, 07:28 AM)
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#9858
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Member
(05-20-2012, 07:30 AM)
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#9859
Wouldn't the only reason to go bigger than mid tower be SLI? Can't imagine needing anything bigger than my define R3 otherwise, it's huge enough as it is with tons of unused space.
Last edited by Ledsen; 05-20-2012 at 07:34 AM.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 07:45 AM)
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#9860
Hi guys, planning on building a new computer, my 2nd, since I started windows gaming, only change this time is, I'm having it built by a professional OC'er because of time constraints, any ways, here is the list;
Intel Core i7 3930K + Asus X79 Pro - 1198 Gskill Ripjaws Z 1600Mhz CL9 32GB - 324 WD 1TB Black x2 - 400 Asus 7970 3GB DDR5 - 845 Coolermaster Storm Enforcer - 145 Coolermaster Silent Pro Gold 1000W - 245 LG 24x DVD RW - 28 Win 7 Home premium 64bit OEM - 118 Noctua D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler - 134 Advanced Tuning Package + Delivery - 220 prices in Singapore dollars any critique would be greatly appreciated, thank you yes I haven't added in a SSD yet, researching still, any recommendations? |
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Member
(05-20-2012, 08:22 AM)
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#9861
Is the rig only going to be used for gaming or do you have other reasons (video editing, rendering, ect) for going with X79 over Z77? And why go with the 7970? The 670/680 stomp it.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 08:23 AM)
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#9862
Last edited by Razgreez; 05-20-2012 at 08:26 AM.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 08:50 AM)
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#9863
To be frank, the specs are to an extent, the OC guys vision, more then mine. I actually was keen on a gtx680. The list is his recommendation, I just wanted to play it off pc gaf to get an alternate view, and yes, it's for gaming only, have a mac pro for work.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 09:35 AM)
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#9864
Setting the PSU up in my Bitfenix Shinobi and I can't see any screws with it, so I used the screws bundled with the case and I only seem to have three that fit.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 12:13 PM)
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#9865
Last edited by MrBig; 05-20-2012 at 12:17 PM.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 03:24 PM)
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#9866
Can someone enlight me please, haven't really been following lately. What's the latest opinion on HD7850 and is there any advantage in buying i5 3570K over 2500k?
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Member
(05-20-2012, 03:31 PM)
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#9867
I've been dipping my feet into overclocking for the first time with my 3570k (following the guide in the awesome OP).
I have a Bitfenix Shinobi with 3 fans (front, back, top) and a 212+ Evo. My first run was 4.4 GHz with core voltage set at 2.500. My max temps after running Prime95 were 71, 76, 76, 74. I've been working on bringing core voltage down, and at 1.175 my temps are 67, 72, 74, 69. Where should I go next? Keep under volting or increasing the clock speed? I am pretty happy with 4.4GHz as I know IB runs hotter than SB. |
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Member
(05-20-2012, 03:32 PM)
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#9868
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Member
(05-20-2012, 04:36 PM)
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#9869
I/O board in after leaving it for the afternoon and going out, so hopefully that's in the right way (I put the mouse and keyboard inputs at the top). Now for the motherboard, which seems awfully complicated to get in position ... |
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Member
(05-20-2012, 04:40 PM)
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#9870
Follow one of the OP builds. You're spending *WAY* too much money on a gaming only build. 3930K will give you an edge in benches, but not games outside of Civ V. 32GB of RAM is 4 times the amount that you would need for gaming, and the more RAM you have on socket 2011, the more crippled your overclock is on your processor. To top it off, you need fairly speedy RAM to hold a decent OC since you will be altering your BCLK anyway.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 05:02 PM)
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#9871
Switched I/O orientation because it was wrong, put CPU in but trying to lock into place is incredibly nerve racking. I'm pushing the lever down, and it's beginning to creak as I push it.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 05:03 PM)
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#9872
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Member
(05-20-2012, 05:15 PM)
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#9873
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Member
(05-20-2012, 05:24 PM)
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#9874
I'm only able to get to a stable 4.5GHz with 1.24V, but my temperatures stay in the mid-70s during hours and hours of Prime95. I think that's the best I'm going to manage for now. I'm hoping a dedicated GPU will lower the temps a little. I don't know if it does much, but the integrated graphics have to be generating some heat, right? |
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(05-20-2012, 06:15 PM)
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#9875
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Member
(05-20-2012, 06:27 PM)
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#9876
The motherboard standoffs aren't brass for the Shinobi. My manual says there are nine - I need a six - and they're the square-ish ones.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 06:29 PM)
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#9877
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Member
(05-20-2012, 06:30 PM)
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#9878
I tried benchmarking and playing the game with triple buffering off and adaptive v-sync enabled through the control panel. The benchmark was a travesty -- my minimum fps was FOUR. A hamster in a wheel would power better performance. In gameplay, it's much of the same -- at points it's buttery smooth, but there are ridiculously awful frame drops, and they happen pretty frequently. So, there seems to be a problem, but the synthetic benchmarks are just fine (performing in line with expectations, or even better than some of the review benchmarks on systems with better RAM and CPUs). Is it normal for a synthetic benchmark to be fantastic but for a game benchmark to be terrible? Bad drivers, maybe? I need to benchmark a few other games. The only other thing I've played so far is Crysis 2, which at 1080p with DX1/tesselation/high-res textures and everything at the max settings hovers between 52 and 60 fps (with triple buffering on), and occasionally dips into the 40s. Is that what I should expect with a 670? Thanks for the help so far. |
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Member
(05-20-2012, 06:39 PM)
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#9879
God this is so frustrating and i haven't even begun getting my parts yet. I talked to some people and they said the 550ti is crap and i should go with the HD6870.
Is the i5-3550 ivy bridge that much better than a i5-2500k? I don't plan/know how to OC. |
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Member
(05-20-2012, 07:12 PM)
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#9880
![]() It's the same for games, even in Just Cause 2 which AMD used to struggle with (78XX and 79XX shine in Just Cause 2) the 6870 beats the 550ti. |
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Member
(05-20-2012, 07:26 PM)
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#9881
Trying to get the motherboard to line up and it's proving really hard ...
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Member
(05-20-2012, 07:27 PM)
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#9882
edit: you should be able to see the standoffs through the holes on the MB.
Last edited by opticalmace; 05-20-2012 at 07:32 PM.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 07:54 PM)
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#9883
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Member
(05-20-2012, 08:09 PM)
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#9884
Oh, the I/O insert? Yeah sometimes I found they weren't a perfect fit. Just do what you can, as long as you can plug your stuff in and the motherboard is secure in the case.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 08:12 PM)
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#9885
Next step: screwing the motherboard down. My 'board manual says M3 Round screws are used, and there are 13 of them. I counted 14, and they're the really small ones. I've screwed one in and it seemed to fit. Note, none of my screws for the 'board are brass. I'm a little worried.
Last edited by JonCha; 05-20-2012 at 08:26 PM.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 08:17 PM)
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#9886
I already got all the parts. Just waiting for the SSD to arrive. I'll give updates on how this performs. Even if it suck then I'll just get a graphics card earlier than I expected. I live near a microcenter so the I5 3570K was only 10 bucks more than the I5 2500K. I know what you mean when you say, there's no real world research for the HD 4000 on the internet. The only reason I'm somewhat confident I'll be fine is a friend of mine is building a new PC and giving his old one to his girlfriend. His is a higher powered one than mine i5 3770K AsRock Extreme 4 16 Gigs Corsair Vengence Ram Crucial M4 256 GB Some 750 watt power supply I think its antec (He was still waiting for a 680, so thats why he didn't have a graphics card yet) Well we ran Starcraft 2 and the Diablo 3 beta on that setup and it ran well. I mean still looks on par or better than most PS3/360 games. Since the 3770K and the 3570K both use HD 4000 and we're using the same ram. As long as I get similar results I'll be happy. |
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Member
(05-20-2012, 08:24 PM)
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#9887
I'll be playing on a 670, but I'd like to know. |
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Member
(05-20-2012, 08:36 PM)
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#9888
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Member
(05-20-2012, 09:24 PM)
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#9889
Don't know any of those acronyms, but pretty sure i don't need them as a pc gamer that just wants to play games on max settings on a 1080p tv, with a good graphics card and the standard 2500k+overclock and nothing else. I don't utilize all my fan slots as is and my R3 has like 5 slots for hdds (I own 1 hdd). Still can't see the need for anything bigger than
mid tower unless you're a super entusiast with tons of space and money.
Last edited by Ledsen; 05-20-2012 at 09:29 PM.
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Member
(05-20-2012, 09:49 PM)
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#9890
My current rig is as follows:
Intel® Core™i5-2400 Quad Core (3.10GHz, 6MB Cache) + HD Graphics ASUS® P8Z68-V LX 8GB RAM Nvidia GTX570 600W Quiet 80 PLUS Quad Rail PSU Is it worth upgrading the CPU or is it better to wait? Also, is the motherboard ok to keep for another year or so or is it better to also upgrade that? |
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(05-20-2012, 10:01 PM)
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#9891
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(05-20-2012, 10:05 PM)
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#9892
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Member
(05-20-2012, 10:27 PM)
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#9893
Overwhelmed with the amount of ports I need to connect to. My ASUS motherboard doesn't include one of those easy connection things either ...
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Member
(05-20-2012, 11:47 PM)
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#9894
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Member
(05-21-2012, 01:35 AM)
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#9895
GAF, I'm thinking of upgrading my old Dell Desktop GPU.
My current specs: CPU: Intel Pentium D 3.00 GHz 4 GB RAM Radeon X600 series I want to upgrade to a Radeon HD 4670, because I heard it would consume less energy. My desktop has a 305w PSU. Is this appropriate, and can I run newer games at decent settings? I don't plan on enabling AA. |
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(05-21-2012, 01:45 AM)
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#9896
To be honest I would just do a new budget build. Even something pretty cheap would be a shitload faster. |
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Member
(05-21-2012, 01:51 AM)
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#9897
Highest resolutions I will run are at 1360x768 and 1280x1024.
As for the PSU, this is all the info I could find: DC power supply: Wattage 305 W Heat dissipation 1041 BTU/hr Voltage (see the safety instructions in the Product Information Guide for important voltage setting information) 90 to 135 V and 180 to 265 V at 50/60 Hz I thought about upgrading to this specific card due to this recommendation, and this running at what I believe to be similar specs (I have a dual-core CPU). I already own this desktop, I just want to upgrade the GPU, I plan on building a new one when I have the time and permission (check my age).
Last edited by Caelus; 05-21-2012 at 01:54 AM.
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Banned
(05-21-2012, 04:47 AM)
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#9898
Originally Posted by alternade:
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Member
(05-21-2012, 05:15 AM)
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#9899
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Banned
(05-21-2012, 05:21 AM)
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#9900
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