[Combichristoffersen]

For the record, I don't consider the absence of PES a harbinger of the Vita's downfall. Once they cancel the CoD exclusive game/port then I'll be more inclined to agree with you. If Sony isn't announcing/talking about the PS4 this E3 as they've asserted repeatedly, they should let the Vita have the bulk of the presser. Take some time out to discuss the God of War prequel (very telling that's not on Vita either), maybe that pretty lame looking LBP Racer, then dedicate the rest of it to Vita, Vita, Vita. Get some third party support involved, show us how the Vita version of SFxT is the only one that's not consumer raping us, and show off some exclusive titles. Otherwise,

I don't think the lack of PES is the final nail in the coffin, but if it's a sign of things to come.. ouch. But yeah, they need to focus on Vita during their E3 presser.

[laika09]

PES is coming to PSP because it costs them absolutely nothing to push a roster update to last year's version and repackage it with a new logo. They're not going to rebuild their engine on a new architecture when it wouldn't be even a top-5 platform sales wise. For some franchises, Vita would make sense at this point, but not for PES.

[Spiegel]

So konami aims to japan and collateral earnings from western localization? That's incredible imho Doesn't Sony discuss with publishers? Doesn't Hirai said they have a lot of TP games coming soon? Does anyone in konami trade/discuss about supporting Vita? This is really weird

PES2012 PSP, 13th best selling game in 2011 in Spain. And these games are free money (2008 version + updated roster).

No PES2013 Vita doesn't make much sense though.

[Sintoid]

Industry says "We're not making games until users buy console" and users say "We're not buying console until we see games"... The only reasonable thing Sony can do is making great first party titles that drive PSV sells

[Bumhead]

Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 was announced to not be coming to Vita today. Its coming to PC, PS3, Wii, 360, 3DS, PSP and PS2 - and presumably iOS - but not Vita.

That is not a good sign in my opinion. PES is one of Konami's only relevant franchises nowadays and is an annual sports franchise that releases on every available console every year. Yet its not coming to Vita..

[AgentWhiskers]

That's inexcusable. At least EA are content with that decision.

[DCharlie]

hmm come to think of it, has there been any Konami titles released on vita yet?

the hands down best game on Vita is from Konami

again - not really sure why even a quick port isn't considered worthwhile. Have to assume a lazy up-port from PSP would even surfice given how "meh" the first 3DS game is - the second is a bit better but it's still meh-ish -and- it sold extremely poorly. So i guess the work to update is minimal for a third 3DS outing but yeah... no Vita version is not a great sign.

[Afrikan]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/HQtVE.png[/IMG PES2012 PSP, 13th best selling game in 2011 in Spain. And these games are free money (2008 version + updated roster). No PES2013 Vita doesn't make much sense though.

Like you said free money.....i'm sure they are fine with the idea of Vita owners who like PES, will just buy the psp version.

I'm VERY sure that if Sony forced the issue (like they did with their MLB games)...if Sony didn't allow the psp version of PES 2013 to work with Vita, Konami would have a Vita port on the way. Same with 2K Sports and their MLB game.

Its not worth it to Konami to spend money and compete with Fifa on the Vita platform right now....and the same thing with 2k MLB trying to compete with Sony's MLB The Show. Konami and 2k are too busy trying to survive their console situations.

[Krev]

hmm come to think of it, has there been any Konami titles released on vita yet? I mean going through this list: http://www.konami.com/games/browse/?...=Console_Games The only titles I can see is the MGS HD collection and the Silent Hill game

Vita will have Konami support as long as Kojima Productions is a part of the company.

[Sintoid]

I don't know if the source is affordable but

Absolutely, we love publishing on the handheld systems. There are still a couple PS Vita titles we have up our sleeves that we have yet to announce, and in addition to already announcing Unchained Blades for digital release on 3DS, we are constantly evaluating more 3DS titles for publishing.

Interview to XSeed Games

He also say Sumioni coming Europe and Corpse Party sequel coming to West...

[Bumhead]

Its not worth it to Konami to spend money and compete with Fifa on the Vita platform right now....and the same thing with 2k MLB trying to compete with Sony's MLB The Show. Konami and 2k are too busy trying to survive their console situations.

Sure, but when using these excuses/reasons, people are using language like "doesn't make sense for them" and "not worth it to Konami".

The Vita is performing so badly that it's not worth porting an annual football franchise to?

That is NOT a good sign. At all. How badly is this system tanking?

[chubigans]

Konami says:

A Konami spokesperson told us that a Vita version "could just be coming later", although the rep didn't sound too sure.

http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Multi...ws.asp?c=40254

Er...ok....

[slaughterking]

Konami says: http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Multi...ws.asp?c=40254 Er...ok....

Worked well enough for the Wii version!

Oh, wait...

[kobashi100]

I can see why they haven't announced a vita version. Lots of PSP gamers have not crossed over and would they buy a Vita just for PES 2013 when they can play it on the PSP or 3DS instead?

Hope they release the Nintendo versions at the same time as others this year.

[DCharlie]

I'm sure this comes from a press release rather than from the PES 2013 site (which has nothing about what it's being released on in the 2013 side, but has the list of the platforms 2012 came out on if you click on the 2012 details) but if not....

can't see any details of platforms listed on the site yet for 2013, unless i'm being a blind old coot.

[Afrikan]

Sure, but when using these excuses/reasons, people are using language like "doesn't make sense for them" and "not worth it to Konami". The Vita is performing so badly that it's not worth porting an annual football franchise to? That is NOT a good sign. At all. How badly is this system tanking?

EA is released an annual soccer franchise for the Vita....and they are releasing Madden 13 for the Vita as well.

Again...for Konami its not worth if for now......like I said, which u left out, if the psp version PES 13 was not compatible with the Vita....then Konami most likely would have PS3 port ready by now. Right now I'm sure they are fine with PES fans buying the PSP version for their Vitas. Heck I was ready to buy the psp version of PES2012 for my Vita, cause i like PES buuut I'm having too much fun with a next gen version of Fifa on my Vita.

[herod]

Sure, a great way to cut your losses is to not compete at all.

Oh wait no, that's dumb.

[Sleeplessnights]

the hands down best game on Vita is from Konami

which?

[Bumhead]

But that still doesn't show any faith in the Vita as a standalone product if they're content to stick with the PSP version.

I just don't see how the fact that there is no value in developing a Vita version of their annual sports game, can be twisted into anything other than a huge negative for the Vita. "Not worth it" is not a positive phrase to be using about Vita game development irrespective of development on older hardware.

[DCharlie]

which?

Pro Baseball Spirits 2012 - epic stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OdD2faLOug

[lunchwithyuzo]

which?

Probably the Little King's Story remake.

As for PES-gate, 3DS was similarly left off the initial announcement's platform list for PES2012 and it still got a late port anyway. Then again 3DS already had a launch version of PES2011 to build from, while PES was conspiciously absent from Vita's launch in any form, so who really knows what's going on.

I wonder what platforms Power Pro's going to shift to this year?

[CecilMcW00t]

Pro Baseball Spirits 2012 - epic stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OdD2faLOug

Damn dude that looks freaking amazing!

[axisofweevils]

Industry says "We're not making games until users buy console" and users say "We're not buying console until we see games"... The only reasonable thing Sony can do is making great first party titles that drive PSV sells

It's like the 3DS all over again....
If things go the same route, we'll start seeing Vita games delayed.

[DCharlie]

Probably the Little King's Story remake. As for PES-gate, 3DS was similarly left off the initial announcement's platform list for PES2012 and it still got a late port anyway. Then again 3DS already had a launch version of PES2011 to build from, while PES was conspiciously absent from Vita's launch in any form, so who really knows what's going on. I wonder what platforms Power Pro's going to shift to this year?

I literally had to ask for PES2012 here - it was such a muted release for what should be a banner title. No wonder it fared poorly in the sales dept.

Damn dude that looks freaking amazing!

Plays a really fun game of baseball - i've not touched much MLB Vita because of this, can't stop playing the damned thing.

[Sleeplessnights]

Pro Baseball Spirits 2012 - epic stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OdD2faLOug

That is pretty amazing!

[kobashi100]

I literally had to ask for PES2012 here - it was such a muted release for what should be a banner title. No wonder it fared poorly in the sales dept. Plays a really fun game of baseball - i've not touched much MLB Vita because of this, can't stop playing the damned thing.

Yeah konami treated the 3DS version like shit last year. Gotta release it same time as the others for once.

[lunchwithyuzo]

I literally had to ask for PES2012 here - it was such a muted release for what should be a banner title. No wonder it fared poorly in the sales dept.

Taking the Wii approach to promotion and timing certainly did them no favors. It's really a wasted opportunity given the launch game sold a respectable 100k.

Plays a really fun game of baseball - i've not touched much MLB Vita because of this, can't stop playing the damned thing.

This game bombed pretty hard too. Sold about as well as the 3DS version last year, which was so bad they didn't bother with a 3DS version this year.

[Afrikan]

That is pretty amazing!

Those crowds put my MLB Vita to shame :(

I don't mind owning more than one sport game....will i be able to put in the physical game into my Vita and have it work? While still being able to quickly switch back to my Digitally Downloaded U.S games?

[Bumhead]

If the 3DS version supported custom files I would buy it. Not sure why it doesn't given that the 3DS uses standard SD cards? I really enjoyed the 3DS version of PES11 but the lack of licenses annoys me way more than it should.

[Sleeplessnights]

Those crowds put my MLB Vita to shame :( I don't mind owning more than one sport game....will i be able to put in the physical game into my Vita and have it work? While still being able to quickly switch back to my Digitally Downloaded U.S games?

Japanese Vita games are pretty awesome.

If you get it as a physical game you won't have any trouble playing it, Vita is region free.

If you manage to get it digitally, it's a bit of a hassle to move back and fourth. You'll have to restore, which deletes all your near data and recent activities. If you care about those.

[Drek]

But that still doesn't show any faith in the Vita as a standalone product if they're content to stick with the PSP version. I just don't see how the fact that there is no value in developing a Vita version of their annual sports game, can be twisted into anything other than a huge negative for the Vita. "Not worth it" is not a positive phrase to be using about Vita game development irrespective of development on older hardware.

Its Konami dude, they've done the math. The fact that they aren't bringing it to Vita is just as negative about the state of PES as a franchise as it is about the Vita. EA sees a market for FIFA on the handheld, but Konami isn't willing to compete with the guys who've been eating their lunch the last several years.

By the simple mathematics of it Konami knows that:
1. they're already losing out to FIFA worldwide.
2. The Vita is the only system where they can double dip with zero extra effort, via a PSP release.
3. Konami as a company doesn't really have the assets to throw behind yet another version of the franchise that would only be viable to a small user base that already has FIFA in their hands, and an alternative path to get a PES title on the system if they're real die hards.

Does it suck for PES fans? Sure. But it says nothing particularly negative about the Vita or Konami's view of it. When/if they cancel the MGS or ZOE collection ports to Vita we'll have something different to talk about. This is just Konami trying to pick and choose how to most effectively spend money in the losing battle versus EA's extremely well funded juggernaut.

[Totobeni]

Time for Sony to bring back This is football again I guess.

[Mario007]

It's strange considering how well FIFA Football did on Vita in Europe. Ah well, they're letting FIFA win over all the potential players on the Vita, especially with FIFA 13 being linked with ps3 version.

[Father_Brain]

In fairness to Vita, Madden isn't on 3DS this year.

[Sleeplessnights]

Rayman isn't even out yet on the 3DS sucks!

[lunchwithyuzo]

Its Konami dude, they've done the math. The fact that they aren't bringing it to Vita is just as negative about the state of PES as a franchise as it is about the Vita. EA sees a market for FIFA on the handheld, but Konami isn't willing to compete with the guys who've been eating their lunch the last several years. By the simple mathematics of it Konami knows that: 1. they're already losing out to FIFA worldwide. 2. The Vita is the only system where they can double dip with zero extra effort, via a PSP release. 3. Konami as a company doesn't really have the assets to throw behind yet another version of the franchise that would only be viable to a small user base that already has FIFA in their hands, and an alternative path to get a PES title on the system if they're real die hards. Does it suck for PES fans? Sure. But it says nothing particularly negative about the Vita or Konami's view of it. When/if they cancel the MGS or ZOE collection ports to Vita we'll have something different to talk about. This is just Konami trying to pick and choose how to most effectively spend money in the losing battle versus EA's extremely well funded juggernaut.

This argument might hold water had Konami not just ported a Japan only PS3 Baseball game to Vita and been met with sub-20k sales. The idea that Konami's decision to forego PES Vita has everything to do with their competition vs EA and a sudden lack resources (that somehow didn't impact PBS last month) rather than the very dismal market realities the platform faces strikes me as a pretty reaching spin. I mean surely the platform factors here? And it's doubly brow-raising given PES has historically gotten preferential treatment on PS platforms too.

That said I think all this drama is for naught anyway. Vita will most likely get an unceremoniously late PES2012 port imo.

[Bumhead]

Its Konami dude, they've done the math. The fact that they aren't bringing it to Vita is just as negative about the state of PES as a franchise as it is about the Vita. EA sees a market for FIFA on the handheld, but Konami isn't willing to compete with the guys who've been eating their lunch the last several years. By the simple mathematics of it Konami knows that: 1. they're already losing out to FIFA worldwide. 2. The Vita is the only system where they can double dip with zero extra effort, via a PSP release. 3. Konami as a company doesn't really have the assets to throw behind yet another version of the franchise that would only be viable to a small user base that already has FIFA in their hands, and an alternative path to get a PES title on the system if they're real die hards. Does it suck for PES fans? Sure. But it says nothing particularly negative about the Vita or Konami's view of it. When/if they cancel the MGS or ZOE collection ports to Vita we'll have something different to talk about. This is just Konami trying to pick and choose how to most effectively spend money in the losing battle versus EA's extremely well funded juggernaut.

Not sure if that holds much water, to be honest. PES has never competed with FIFA sales wise even when it was good, on any platform, and has been destroyed year on year across the board by FIFA during this generation.

Not just that, but Konami have had no problem supporting the 3DS with a bespoke version of the game. PES11 sold incredibly modestly on 3DS at launch but Konami still green-lit PES12, to go up against a FIFA game, after modest sales of their last game, on a system that will still selling badly when that decision will have been made. And after equally underwhelming sales of PES12 on 3DS, they've just announced they're doing another one. Which will probably go against FIFA in another market once again.

Just seems like excuses to me. We hear all this about how easy the Vita is to port to and yet its ignored even for games like this, where its literally the ONLY system people still play that isn't getting the game. Even an up-rezzed PS2, 3DS or PSP port would be suffecient, in my opinion. Better gameplay than the console versions (still) and the Vita screen would do it plenty of favours.

Its not like Konami is afraid of producing different versions of the game, either. If you take into account HD graphics, pointer controls, previous gen visuals, 3D and touch screen controls, Konami produce five different versions of the game year on year, with many different graphics and gameplay standards between them. And not all of them sell huge amounts on the platforms they're on.

The fact they're not even bothering with a low effort, low risk port doesn't look good to me. Be interesting to see whether or not this becomes a trend. Right now it certainly doesn't help stop speculation about third party support on Vita.

[hyogen]

any new good news for the Vita yet?

at least LBP for vita is around the corner, right? :o

[bunbun777]

any new good news for the Vita yet? at least LBP for vita is around the corner, right? :o

oh no you didnt. maybe that super cute avatar will save you.

[mescalineeyes]

any new good news for the Vita yet? at least LBP for vita is around the corner, right? :o

Soul Sacrifice!!!! :D

[chickdigger802]

Soul Sacrifice!!!! :D

and sly 4.

[yencid]

any new good news for the Vita yet? at least LBP for vita is around the corner, right? :o

Well E3 is around the corner so they arent going to drop too much but so far

Soul sacrifice, Sly 4 coming to the vita same day, rumors of LBP karting and Playstation all stars coming .

Sony also announced that it will hold another playstation vita heaven even in japan in june.

Resistance burning skies comes out on may 29th and Gravity daze on june 12th

[amtentori]

no PES Vita does not make sense.
The port would not be too difficult and these games have generally done well on Sony systems.

No PES on Vita is a BAD BAD sign if true. Annual sports games are the last games you would expect to lose on a Sony system (ie PS2 version)

[yencid]

Actually both gravity rush AND metal gear solid HD collection come out the 12th.

For the sport peoples, just checked and Madden NFL 13 Vita has a release date of August 28, 2012

[plufim]

Industry says "We're not making games until users buy console" and users say "We're not buying console until we see games"... The only reasonable thing Sony can do is making great first party titles that drive PSV sells

Making great first party games just results in third parties giving up and saying they can't compete, just ask Nintendo.

[Perkel]

Making great first party games just results in third parties giving up and saying they can't compete, just ask Nintendo.

And the biggest selling franchize on xbox360 and Playstation3 is gears of war and GT.

[Phoenician_Viking]

And the biggest selling franchize on xbox360 and Playstation3 is gears of war and GT.

It´s Halo and Uncharted.

[bigtroyjon]

It´s Halo and Uncharted.

Nah, it's Call of Duty on both.

[yencid]

It´s Halo and Uncharted.

Uncharted doesnt sell more than GT

[creamsugar]

Maybe E3 could announce some major western titles.