[Fuzzy]

O there's already a fanbase? :') What a cute name for them though hehe

I only learned about SanSan tonight because of the WiC tumblr.

[Chuck Norris]

watching you guys is literally more enjoyable than the show itself. It's like enjoying the series all over again for the first time :) What did you guys think of that sick wildfire explosion? That shit was so insane lookin', goddamn

Watching you watching the people in this thread is even more enjoyable

[Kave_Man]

Watching you watching the people in this thread is even more enjoyable

Watching you watching him watching us in this thread is even more enjoyable.

[Cornballer]

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[Jonm1010]

I don't think a show has ever given me such mixed emotions about what outcome I truly want.

On the one hand I love Tyrion, Bronn, the Hound and have grown fond of Sansa... But then I loved Davos(shitty way to go) and have a good amount of respect for stannis and think he deserves the thrown.... but then again that might also mean Tyrion, Bronn, the hound and possibly Sansa would get caught up in that if he had taken the city.

It might be one of the most bittersweet endings I've felt to anything... I wanted Stannis to win but then I also wanted Tyrion to prove himself and make it through the night.

I'm curious how this plays out now though. Will stannis be caught and killed? Did he narrowly escape and will regroup for a second strike? I guess I see him turning hardcore to Melisandre now especially if Davos is dead.

I really hope the Hound ends up getting Sansa out of the city, I feel like that would be a hell of an interesting story and because the hound is fucking badass(as long as there is no fire around).

[JGS]

The Kingsguard who sliced Tyrion is the same one whom Tyrion humiliated in court by threatening him with death via Bronn earlier in the season. Whoever got him to attack Tyrion, if he didn't just decide to on his own, probably didn't need to do much convincing.

I was curious about this because I thought Joffrey said something about his uncle's blood bt didn't quite make it out.

[Amir0x]

vicarious livin' yo, it's the best. quite a pleasant side reward for the show getting made. plus these show watchers are really insightful sometimes, catch shit even I miss.

[Matthew Gallant]

I was curious about this because I thought Joffrey said something about his uncle's blood bt didn't quite make it out.

Stannis is Joffrey's uncle too (well, except not). That's who he was talking about in that line.

[Jonm1010]

Youtube episode 10 promo. Remember to spoiler tag discussion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMzsbKj6o3Y

Promo discussion
I hope that preview doesn't indicate what I think it does. That Sansa doesn't escape with The Hound. Damnit can't that girl catch a break?

[JGS]

Stannis is Joffrey's uncle too (well, except not). That's who he was talking about in that line.

Of course. I keep thinking of Joffrey as Jaime's kid and forget the Baratheon connection.

[Jonm1010]

the killing of renly may have been "unclean" but renly was being a twat, as Stannis did have the rightful claim no matter how unloved he was and how loved renly was. doing it that way spared both sides from losing manpower to fight the lannisters. i gotta say i may be the only one but i kind of like stannis as a character. i'm only at the beginning of book 2 so i haven't yet gotten to all the details

Yeah I personally like stannis and am in the same boat as you thinking that shadow baby was definitely sketch, but it saved lives, and he did give Renly plenty of warning to turn back.

Still I worry where Stannis is gonna go after this defeat.

[surrealist]

Thanks. Yep. He's an interesting character who hasn't yet caused me to hate or love him. his character solely demands respect. He truly does, by the rules, deserve the throne most and he's one brave and strong badass.

He's such an asshole it's humorous.

[params7]

Holy shit what an episode. Can't wait for next week for some Jon Snow action.

[Cyan]

Oh man. So fucking worth saving the budget for that shit. SO AWESOME.

I hope Onion Knight survived, though. :/

Tyrion kicked so much ass this episode--speeches! Glorious charges! And Bronn like a boss with the flaming fucking arrow to set the whole thing off. Wish we could've seen Bronn and the Hound fight, he would've kicked that dog's ass.

I was surprisingly glad to see Cersei not poison her kid. Too horrible even for her.

Sansa really should've gone with the Hound. Come on, gtfo of King's Landing while you have the chance. Wonder if she would've decided differently if she'd known they'd win and she'd be stuck with the Joff?

It was a member of the Kingsguard who turned on Tyrion, as you could tell from the armor. I'm not sure if the show will say explicitly who it is in the next episode, but we'll wait for episode 10 just in case.

Wait, WHAT?

[Amir0x]

Wait, WHAT?

As Angry Grimace pointed out, the guy who went after Tyrion was the same guy that Joffrey had told to be his Representative on the battle field and follow his uncle, a one Ser Mandon. You could tell by the armor he was wearing, since he is the only character to have that armor.

[IAmtheFMan]

I thought it was pretty obvious from the Kingsguard uniform that it was the same guy that's been doing all of Joffrey's dirty work (slapping the shit out of Sansa, and I think the fight with Syrio in S1.)

[Grimm Fandango]

The ending felt pretty rushed but I'm sure it will clear up next week.

Finale already, damn :(

[thesoapster]

What did you guys think of that sick wildfire explosion? That shit was so insane lookin', goddamn

Was like a fucking baneling bust

[Vyer]

Tyrion kicked so much ass this episode--speeches! Glorious charges! And Bronn like a boss with the flaming fucking arrow to set the whole thing off. Wish we could've seen Bronn and the Hound fight, he would've kicked that dog's ass.

Loved how we got a little contrasting their fighting styles too. Hound is hacking away with lumbering brute force. Then we see Bronn's speed as he's cutting people down. so good.

[woober]

Was like a fucking baneling bust

The chaos of this episode was amazing. It was like a D-Day of medieval times.

[Cyan]

As Angry Grimace pointed out, the guy who went after Tyrion was the same guy that Joffrey had told to be his Representative on the battle field and follow his uncle, a one Ser Mandon. You could tell by the armor he was wearing, since he is the only character to have that armor.

Damn, I completely missed that. I just assumed it was an enemy that had closed in.

[eudaemonic]

Loved how we got a little contrasting their fighting styles too. Hound is hacking away with lumbering brute force. Then we see Bronn's speed as he's cutting people down. so good.

I'm waiting the moment Bronn hunts him down too. He's no longer in service so he owes nothing and they already have a little fight to continue that started before the war. That should be fairly epic.

[Pristine_Condition]

That was probably realistic, actually. The Hound bifurcating people with his sword, on the other hand...

Cold Steel Two Handed Great Sword Demo Reel

(Check out the 4:00 mark and 5:17)

[Jonm1010]

Oh man. So fucking worth saving the budget for that shit. SO AWESOME. I hope Onion Knight survived, though. :/ Tyrion kicked so much ass this episode--speeches! Glorious charges! And Bronn like a boss with the flaming fucking arrow to set the whole thing off. Wish we could've seen Bronn and the Hound fight, he would've kicked that dog's ass. I was surprisingly glad to see Cersei not poison her kid. Too horrible even for her. Sansa really should've gone with the Hound. Come on, gtfo of King's Landing while you have the chance. Wonder if she would've decided differently if she'd known they'd win and she'd be stuck with the Joff? Wait, WHAT?

Wait I didn't know it was implied or stated that Sansa DIDNT go with Sandor?

Did I miss something?

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

I've watched a lot of action movies, war epics, etc. and that scene is the first to make my palms sweat and to make me gasp in astonishment.

For the rest of you with good 5.1 setups that is going to be a reference scene for years to come. WOW.

Tonight was the first time I noticed that Charles Dance was 3rd billed. Looks like his role is increasing going forward.

[kame-sennin]

Cerci getting drunk and fucking with Sansa was also pretty great.

Promo discussion I hope that preview doesn't indicate what I think it does. That Sansa doesn't escape with The Hound. Damnit can't that girl catch a break?

That's what it looked like. I can't blame her for being afraid to go with the Hound, but she really fucked up.

[Jonm1010]

Cerci getting drunk and fucking with Sansa was also pretty great. That's what it looked like. I can't blame her for being afraid to go with the Hound, but she really fucked up.

Yeah I guess thinking about it a little more I'm not sure what my choice in that situation would be either. You know Stannis wouldn't harm you in all likelihood and all intel points to his victory. You really don't know the Hound all that well, plus he looked like he kind of lost it a bit. Still I see things only getting worse for her

[StudioTan]

Amazing episode.

I'm confused about Tywin ending up at King's Landing. Last we saw he was at Harrenhal and was heading out to intercept Rob. Was that all a ruse because he figure out who Arya was or is there just a big time gap where stuff happened that hasn't or won't be shown?

[Zeliard]

The whole Melisandre thing is still kinda weird to me. I get that Stannis wants to be the one to win the battle so he's viewed as King Shit, but when you have a trump card that consists of a demon-birthing sorceress, why not abuse the shit out of it? :P

I dunno if a barely tangible shadow assassin thing that can materialize at will can take on an entire army, but it probably would have been helpful to have one on your side, or whatever else Melisandre's got up her skirt sleeve.

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

The whole Melisandre thing is still kinda weird to me. I get that Stannis wants to be the one to win the battle so he's viewed as King Shit, but when you have a trump card that consists of a demon-birthing sorceress, why not abuse the shit out of it? :P I dunno if a barely tangible shadow assassin thing that can materialize at will can take on an entire army, but it probably would have been helpful to have one on your side, or whatever else Melisandre's got up her skirt sleeve.

Only poor Davos knew what Melisandre was capable of. If I was in his place I would wait for a different moment to reveal her true powers to my soldiers. There has to be another opportunity for that, this wasn't it.

[Fuzzy]

Amazing episode. I'm confused about Tywin ending up at King's Landing. Last we saw he was at Harrenhal and was heading out to intercept Rob. Was that all a ruse because he figure out who Arya was or is there just a big time gap where stuff happened that hasn't or won't be shown?

Go back and watch the scene from last week again. Tywin never says where they're marching, just that he wants to leave that night so they would have an entire night to march before Robb knows they're moving.

[Jonm1010]

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/27/ga...-blackwater-2/

Reading this interview with Benioff and Weiss about the behind the scenes on this episode made me strangely nervous about HBO giving them the proper budget going forward for this show, since I assume many battles will end up taking place that will rival the significance of this one. I mean maybe not but I assume so.

I mean the interview seems to be in praise of HBO, but I came away still thinking that HBO might not ok another big scale episode like that.....then again I don't know if that will be needed but common sense tells me it probably will be.

I just loved this episode so much that if the rest of the series is a bunch of big battles that all end up taking place off screen would be horribly disappointing.....but I'm by my nature a pessimist about TV companies.

[Jonm1010]

Go back and watch the scene from last week again. Tywin never says where they're marching, just that he wants to leave that night so they would have an entire night to march before Robb knows they're moving.

Good point.


...Also was that Loras at the end there?

[Mothman91]

FAPFAPFPAFAP

Need more of this show.

fukfukfukfukf

[Grimm Fandango]

Good point. ...Also was that Loras at the end there?

Yeah looks like Tywin did some extra work while gone.

[StudioTan]

Go back and watch the scene from last week again. Tywin never says where they're marching, just that he wants to leave that night so they would have an entire night to march before Robb knows they're moving.

Went back and rewatched, you are correct, he doesn't actually say what he's planning to do. He also says "a king who runs won't be a king for very long, he's a Lannister he'll stand and fight" hehe.

[Chuck Norris]

The whole Melisandre thing is still kinda weird to me. I get that Stannis wants to be the one to win the battle so he's viewed as King Shit, but when you have a trump card that consists of a demon-birthing sorceress, why not abuse the shit out of it? :P I dunno if a barely tangible shadow assassin thing that can materialize at will can take on an entire army, but it probably would have been helpful to have one on your side, or whatever else Melisandre's got up her skirt sleeve.

Er, what makes you think its all that easy to summon? Or even all that useful in a battle?

[Chuck Norris]

Yeah looks like Tywin did some extra work while gone.

Guess we know why he never remarried

[Fuzzy]

Went back and rewatched, you are correct, he doesn't actually say what he's planning to do. He also says "a king who runs won't be a king for very long, he's a Lannister he'll stand and fight" hehe.

This is why I never interrupted the conversation in here last week when people were talking about where Tywin was going. Technically I would have been following the rules pointing out he never said where he was going but that would have ruined the surprise tonight.

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Bronn (Jerome Flynn) was a pop star?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iXGZcBlLcGE

[Eaten By A Grue]

Good point. ...Also was that Loras at the end there?

Loras dressed in Remly's armor. In the book characters thought Remly's ghost was fighting in the battle. The show sort of glanced over it.

[Jonm1010]

Yeah looks like Tywin did some extra work while gone.

I wonder what that means going forward? Whats her name that was married to Renly seems power hungry, I wonder if she tries to marry Joffry. Would make sense for both sides since the Lannisters need troops and the Tyrells have them.

Though I thought Loras hated the Lannisters, I guess he probably hates Stannis a little more.

[IceCold]

This show is just too fuckin good. It's 2am and I'm hyped as fuck right now because of the battle scene lol.

[Chuck Norris]

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/27/ga...-blackwater-2/ Reading this interview with Benioff and Weiss about the behind the scenes on this episode made me strangely nervous about HBO giving them the proper budget going forward for this show, since I assume many battles will end up taking place that will rival the significance of this one. I mean maybe not but I assume so. I mean the interview seems to be in praise of HBO, but I came away still thinking that HBO might not ok another big scale episode like that.....then again I don't know if that will be needed but common sense tells me it probably will be. I just loved this episode so much that if the rest of the series is a bunch of big battles that all end up taking place off screen would be horribly disappointing.....but I'm by my nature a pessimist about TV companies.

They should be okay

[kame-sennin]

Bronn (Jerome Flynn) was a pop star? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iXGZcBlLcGE

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

Didn't the prostitute complement Bronn's voice at the beginning of the episode?

[BigWeather]

Pure gold! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5V8e...eature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robson_%26_Jerome

Haha, almost makes him even more badass!

[Cyan]

Wait I didn't know it was implied or stated that Sansa DIDNT go with Sandor? Did I miss something?

Well, he walked out the door without her, so...

[Pocks]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Didn't the prostitute complement Bronn's voice at the beginning of the episode?

Hahaha good catch. I'm sure that was on purpose.. I wonder if that comment is in the book.

[Cyan]

Go back and watch the scene from last week again. Tywin never says where they're marching, just that he wants to leave that night so they would have an entire night to march before Robb knows they're moving.

Damn, you really have to be on your toes with this show. Glad you didn't say anything, even if I spent a week needlessly fearing for Robb and his hot girlfriend.

I think season one really fucked me up, because I was totally expecting a major character death in this episode. Heh.

[Zeliard]

Er, what makes you think its all that easy to summon? Or even all that useful in a battle?

I was half-joking - my point is that it's a strange thing until we get more information on how it works and what the rules are.

And it seems comically obvious how such a thing would be useful in battle. It doesn't have to go around murdering scores of people; you sic it on the commanders and other critical people and leave the soldiers disorganized and demoralized. You fuck up the chain of leadership and let your soldiers wipe up the rest.