[GaimeGuy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfLsS...layer_embedded

Jesus christ.

[Amir0x]

But he's a democrat! There's no way you can be anything BUT liberal if you're a part of the democratic party! Since obama is a democrat, Obama is liberal. And since Obama is liberal, that means every policy he supports is liberal, and every policy he opposes is conservative. Yep. </American logic>

it must be infuriating for Obama. He's in office, his politics are pretty easy to define, and yet he has an entire bleating group of politicians who used to support the very policies he decided to push saying "no" to everything he does.

[makingmusic476]

I don't think so. Everyone gets sick, so it's only right that everyone pay into a universal pot. Not everyone is good for college or university, nor should that be a goal for every single person. Therefore, it's ridiculous to ask taxpayers to fund the entire college education of the percentage of people who college is good for. We definitely need to tackle the insane costs of college, don't get me wrong, but taxing everyone to the extent that college would be basically fully subsidized by taxpayers is dumb. .

I agree that not everyone can or should go to college. However, many can and definitely should go to college, and there's a net benefit to society if they do. Cost of entry should not be a barrier for these people.

I'm short on time now, but I may make a more compelling argument for this that more closely compares it to other government investments like universal healthcare when I get off of work.

[Oblivion]

Holy shit, has this been posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ez0AMf2U5RU

This woman..dear god... o_0

[tranciful]

Holy shit, has this been posted? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ez0AMf2U5RU This woman..dear god... o_0

This is hilariously sad

[SomeDude]

I hope you stop for a second to fully contemplate the implications of such a statement. Let me walk through it with you. okay, so... the acceptance of foreign cultures has lead to very bad times for countries in the past, a loss of quality in their living. If accepting foreign cultures is the cause of this, what should a society strive towards? the logical answer is a purified national identity that excludes foreign influences, rejects outsiders from intermingling with those who share the national identity, and preserves the national identity of the masses at the expense of the individual. This is the philosophy behind so many tyrannical and caste-based regimes throughout human history. In its most extreme forms, you end up with countries like Nazi Germany or North Korea. The Soviet Union is a more politically-motivated version of this (Stalin didn't care about a national identity as much as weeding out everyone that wasn't on his side, labeling them as revolutionaries and party-infiltrators, but the arguments used are very similar). As a Jew whose family has roots in eastern europe and russia during the pogroms of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, your post sends a chill down my spine. I hope you reflect on what you have said. The logic that follows from such a presumption doesn't lead society down a very happy road.1

What about Israel? And why shouldn't the isrealis embrace there inheritance?

[Al-ibn Kermit]

What about Israel? And why shouldn't the isrealis embrace there inheritance?

What about Florida? It has sizable minorities of Cubans, Jews, and old people. I would like to know what you think should happen there if multiculturalism doesn't work so well.

[GaimeGuy]

What about Israel? And why shouldn't the isrealis embrace there inheritance?

I have no idea why you're bringing up Israel. The idea of Zionism (I'm not talking the settler types, but simply the longing for a jewish homeland in the ancient kingdom of israel) was based on providing a place of refuge for Jews, not on Jewish excellence or prosperity at the expense of others.

Plus, you do realize that there are frequent incidents of assault from orthodox jews to conservative/reform jews in Israel, right? Based on the orthodox jews seeing them as "false" jews?

You seem to be confusing shared identity with purification.

Almost all ethiopian jews (Beta Israel) migrated to Israel, but they still share a cultural heritage from their ethiopian communities. An israel that rejected multiculturalism would not have welcomed them with open arms, or let their culture prosper.

[PantherLotus]

Holy shit somedude is at it again. Between his arguments for secession, states' rights, and his absurdly slanted verbiage ... you guys are either talking to a KKK member or one who has a whole lot of KKK member friends.

Don't believe the nonsense about "no violence unless I'm threatened," especially when that same logic is suggesting "multiculturalism" is somehow threatening.

[Jooney]

I will never understand those who advocate states’ rights the idea of moving to a different state when the state enacts laws that you are discriminatory towards you. Put aside the absurdity of the sentiment for a moment. How does it work in a practical manner?

Who is going to employ you in this job market?
Who would sell their home now when it’s undervalued?
What about all your friends and family?

It’s such a mind-numbingly dumb proposition.

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Btw, thanks Amirox for the thoughtful and well-structured arguments. Never has so much nail met so much head.

[Copernicus]

Holy shit, has this been posted? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ez0AMf2U5RU This woman..dear god... o_0

The first minute and a half literally felt like ten minutes, I couldn't keep going.

If you're too stupid to explain a viewpoint, it shouldn't be your viewpoint.

[Chumly]

What about Israel? And why shouldn't the isrealis embrace there inheritance?

What does Israel have to do with anything and what are you trying to refer to by them?

[Amir0x]

Btw, thanks Amirox for the thoughtful and well-structured arguments. Never has so much nail met so much head.

thanks, although I suspect the nail literally went through SomeDude's head and lobotomized him, since he seemed utterly incapable of responding to any of the points intelligently

[PhoenixPause]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfLsS...layer_embedded

We (Americans) have a dream from our forefathers. Obama has a dream from his father. I see what you did there

[Jooney]

Holy shit, has this been posted? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ez0AMf2U5RU This woman..dear god... o_0

Anderson Cooper using his fancy college book-learnin’ to trick a humble salt-of-the-earth Christian. What a snob.

[ErasureAcer]

Holy shit, has this been posted? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ez0AMf2U5RU This woman..dear god... o_0

Thanks for this. The lady didn't make one good point in 4 1/2 minutes. lol. Anderson kept moving the conversation along and she asked "why do you keep asking the same question?" haha. It's like she's not even listening or thinking for that matter. And to top it off her accent is annoying and she's fugly.

[Amir0x]

Holy shit, has this been posted? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ez0AMf2U5RU This woman..dear god... o_0

it's so funny because he keeps pinning her to a wall on their selective reading of the Bible, and she keeps stuttering and getting stuck and then being forced to double down and make it seem EVEN WORSE

[Jooney]

The overlooked aspect of this is that she was pretty much at the cusp of playing the media persecution / victim card. To hold a set of bigoted beliefs is one thing. But to hold a set of bigoted beliefs and be unable to explain them at the behest of the most simplest of enquiries is another beast entirely.

[SomeDude]

thanks, although I suspect the nail literally went through SomeDude's head and lobotomized him, since he seemed utterly incapable of responding to any of the points intelligently

What does it matter? You think I'm a bigot so obviously you have different standards as to what states should and shouldn't do.

[Chumly]

What does it matter? You think I'm a bigot so obviously you have different standards as to what states should and shouldn't do.

I would like to know how you think multiculturalism gets "very dark".

[Jooney]

We (Americans) have a dream from our forefathers. Obama has a dream from his father. I see what you did there

Dinesh D’souza. Urgh.

Seriously, fuck these people who are making bank by continuously peddling this insinuation that Obama is “the other” to gullible fools.

[GaimeGuy]

Dinesh D’souza. Urgh. Seriously, fuck these people who are making bank by continuously peddling this insinuation that Obama is “the other” to gullible fools.

I'm amazed he hasn't been shot yet. I remember around the end of his first year in office it was reported that the secret service was dealing with 5x as many death threats as as they did under Bush.

[Hobbestetrician]

I'm amazed he hasn't been shot yet. I remember around the end of his first year in office it was reported that the secret service was dealing with 5x as many death threats as as they did under Bush.

Imagine how many it will be in his first year after re-election. The Nuge is already on record.

[Cyan]

I would like to know how you think multiculturalism gets "very dark".

You know that diagram of what people in the future might look like, and it's all mocha? *shudder*

[Jimothy]

Just watched that Biden speech to the troops. That was one of the most heartfelt things I've ever seen a politician say.

It feels so weird having two decent human beings holding the two highest offices in the country. Makes me sort of proud.

[Amir0x]

What does it matter? You think I'm a bigot so obviously you have different standards as to what states should and shouldn't do.

Even a bigot must have reasons for the absurdities he/she believes in. If you choose to wade into such topics with your thoughts, and someone responds in detail telling you why what you're saying may not make much sense, and then you ignore all those details... people would begin to think you're not just a poor, misguided bigot, but a very specific type of poster who is generally frowned upon in forum discussions.

It's one thing to be for states rights; it's quite another to start talking KKK propaganda and then cloak it under the guise of states rates.

[Oblivion]

Here's some good news for team science:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05...wless-victory/

Buncha creationism bills managed to quietly get killed in Tennessee.

[jaxword]

Just watched that Biden speech to the troops. That was one of the most heartfelt things I've ever seen a politician say. It feels so weird having two decent human beings holding the two highest offices in the country. Makes me sort of proud.

I don't think Obama's that decent a person, he's rather a corporate sell out, and his legacy will probably be the lousy economy that didn't get better under his watch. Though he could still make a lot of change in the next 4 years...



Still, he's got swagger.

[PantherLotus]

Just watched that Biden speech to the troops. That was one of the most heartfelt things I've ever seen a politician say. It feels so weird having two decent human beings holding the two highest offices in the country. Makes me sort of proud.

Where'd you see the video? I only saw the transcript.

[Amir0x]

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-n...9634/#47569634 - Biden Speech

[PhoenixPause]

Imagine how many it will be in his first year after re-election. The Nuge is already on record.

Many on the far right seem confident Obama will lose big time; they seem to be relishing the thought. Imagine if he wins a narrow 2004 type victory. The anger and shock would be palpable and I think we'd truly start seeing some crazy, desperate shit

A big Obama win might be even worse for them. Obama would have dared the GOP into throwing their best punch - from gay marriage to a slow economy - and still crushed them. I can't imagine how they'd respond. It would truly be the defining sign that America has changed and isn't going back to the old, whiter days ever again

[jamesinclair]

Look at what happened int he course of history when certain countries embrace multiculturalism. It gets very dark and very ugly.

Things like immigration are and important issue as well. Who wants to be colonized by people who have nothing in common with the native population of said state?

SomeDude
Cretinous Member




The fuck is this.

[el retorno]

Dinesh D’souza. Urgh. Seriously, fuck these people who are making bank by continuously peddling this insinuation that Obama is “the other” to gullible fools.

my favorite quote by him

The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11 ... the cultural left and its allies in Congress, the media, Hollywood, the non-profit sector and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world.[12]

His wikipedia page is fun

[Jooney]

A big Obama win might be even worse for them. Obama would have dared the GOP into throwing their best punch - from gay marriage to a slow economy - and still crushed them. I can't imagine how they'd respond. It would truly be the defining sign that America has changed and isn't going back to the old, whiter days ever again

If there’s a big Obama win in November, I see the establishment republicans recognise that they're losing the demographics game and thereby start moderating at least their social platform. Those that constitute the exceedingly wingnut fringe will see a 2012 failure as Mitt Romney the Massachusetts Moderate not passing the purity test and doubling down on their brand of crazy.

my favorite quote by him. His wikipedia page is fun

Falwell-esque.

[cartoon_soldier]

I don't think Obama's that decent a person, he's rather a corporate sell out, and his legacy will probably be the lousy economy that didn't get better under his watch. Though he could still make a lot of change in the next 4 years...

How is he a corporate sellout?

[eznark]

Wait when did you guys start taking SomeDude seriously?

[Tamanon]

They're just blown away it wasn't a driveby posting I guess.

[ClassyPenguin]

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-n...9634/#47569634 - Biden Speech

wow.

[Amir0x]

Wait when did you guys start taking SomeDude seriously?

i guess i just wasn't familiar enough with SomeDude's posting habits to realize he was THAT far out there

wow.

yeah, it's a very moving speech. easily one of the best memorial day-style speeches I've ever seen

[TacticalFox88]

I don't think Obama's that decent a person, he's rather a corporate sell out, and his legacy will probably be the lousy economy that didn't get better under his watch. Though he could still make a lot of change in the next 4 years...]

Wait...what the fuck? You're telling me that the biggest financial firms in America are spending close to over 500 million dollars in donations to get him out of office and he's a corporate sellout?
Really? REALLY?!

[Learn2read]

Falwell-esque.

Not even Falwell-esque, he's not saying God is punishing us, he's basically saying al-Queda is right about us and we deserved it.

[Jooney]

Not even Falwell-esque, he's not saying God is punishing us, he's basically saying al-Queda is right about us and we deserved it.

I was referring to the dimension of it's absurdity and complete disconnection from reality, but yeah, you're right.

[The Technomancer]

the non-profit sector and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world.

Holy shit, haha. Its hilarious seeing the kind of pseudo-cognitive dissonance required in Social Conservatism to hate Conservative Islam because its "the other" while also trying to emulate it because the two, at their core, aren't that different. "We need to keep Islam inspired laws off the books, but it was those durn liberals who pissed off the Islamic world with their sinful ways"

[faceless007]

Not even Falwell-esque, he's not saying God is punishing us, he's basically saying al-Queda is right about us and we deserved it.

It's a particularly strange argument; it would seem the logical conclusion of it is that, in order to prevent further attacks from Islamic terrorists, we should...shape our culture to be more like theirs and acquiesce to their vision of the world.

If you have premarital sex and watch Hollywood movies, the terrorists win.

[GhaleonEB]

i guess i just wasn't familiar enough with SomeDude's posting habits to realize he was THAT far out there

It's the first time I've seen him engage in conversation. Usually it's just insane drive-bys.

[el retorno]

Holy shit, haha. Its hilarious seeing the kind of pseudo-cognitive dissonance required in Social Conservatism to hate Conservative Islam because its "the other" while also trying to emulate it because the two, at their core, aren't that different. "We need to keep Islam inspired laws off the books, but it was those durn liberals who pissed off the Islamic world with their sinful ways"

He's saying if we were more like them they'd hate us less. So he's in a roundabout way confirming the whole "christian convervative = american taliban"

[Plinko]

This might be a touch off-topic but since we've talked about Drudge, conservative media, and those who watch/listen to only conservative media before, I encourage everyone to go to Drudge's website right now, look at the poll on the right side of the screen, and click "view results."

[Cyan]

Wait when did you guys start taking SomeDude seriously?

Don't look at me, I've never taken him seriously.

i guess i just wasn't familiar enough with SomeDude's posting habits to realize he was THAT far out there

Secession soon.

[Clevinger]

my favorite quote by him His wikipedia page is fun

Wow. What a piece of shit.

[el retorno]

Wow. What a piece of shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLfV3...hannel&list=UL

My favorite glenn beck episode, a psychoanalysis of Obama