[Totakeke]

I also found an Exalted Xbow pattern for the blacksmith tonight, it cost 140K to craft it, I needed 6 more essences to do it, hopefully it's worth it. =\

Send me the 140k instead. You'll be happier for it.

[LordCanti]

Anyone else think that the unstable AH are driving prices down even faster for most items? People selling stuffs are constrained by how fast their items can sell, and if their items aren't selling they try to price it even lower. Now your market is crashing because items keep being generated but they can't be sold.

Bows that used to go for 250+ are lucky to fetch 100 now. We're talking...three days ago, they were more than twice the price. I think the weekend generated so much volume (as did the AH going up and down like a rollercoaster) that the floor just kind of fell out.

I'm sitting on a ton of stuff that would have made me more gold if it hadn't gone invisible from the AH over the past couple of days. I'm not thrilled with Blizzard right now, but there's nothing I can do.

Instead of making 100k a flip, I'll probably make 20-50 =/

Man, we just beat Belial on Inferno in 4 player coop, truly a butt puckering experience. Not a single rare drop, we didn't have any valor though. :( http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...TXV!eXY!YcZZZc Build I'm running currently, any other DH's have suggestions? I got it from the DH forums... I also found an Exalted Xbow pattern for the blacksmith tonight, it cost 140K to craft it, I needed 6 more essences to do it, hopefully it's worth it. =\

Don't do it. Look at what you can get on the AH for 140k.

[Ramirez]

Send me the 140k instead. You'll be happier for it.

Probably, but I figured it might come out with more DPS than my current one. It has 5 enchants, so I guess I could get lucky...probably not.

[Riggs]

Anything short of min/maxing DPS is a death sentence past Inferno act 1. Edit: For a Demon Hunter. You'll also want as much discipline as you can get without sacrificing DPS.

Not sure what you mean by Anything short of min/maxing DPS is a death sentence past Inferno Act 1. Basically saying don't sacrifice DPS right?

[cluto]

Ugh. Authenticators.

[Ramirez]

Not sure what you mean by Anything short of min/maxing DPS is a death sentence past Inferno Act 1. Basically saying don't sacrifice DPS right?

Yea, just maximize your DPS, everything one shots you anyways. I have 40K health and pretty much anything that sneezes on me kills me instantly.

[Atrus]

So nether tentacles are best choice for DH in Hell/Inferno as primary attack ? Hmm i was using frost. And i assume at later stages you need to drop sentry from build to save discipline for smoke?

I use Devouring Arrow + Screaming Skulls myself with Nether Tentacles as the other option. Aside from Shielding and Invulnerable mobs, that combination should allow the DH to take care of pretty much any non-Boss mob in the game without being hit.

I also use Valley of Death when kiting and try to have the mobs fear back and forth over it.

[LordCanti]

Not sure what you mean by Anything short of min/maxing DPS is a death sentence past Inferno Act 1. Basically saying don't sacrifice DPS right?

Right. You could spend a ton of gold and only be able to take a couple more hits, or you could spend gold and take things down before they can hit you.

Short of going with the probably-soon-to-be-nerfed critical damage build, most encounters with champ mobs are going to end very poorly without caltrops, traps, Smoke Screen and a lot of kiting anyway. Building a DH to take hits makes absolutely no sense.

[Opiate]

How do DH's doing act 2+? I get one shotted, and I don't think bulking up in defense will help much. I'm guessing it's pretty much you gotta do enough damage before you run outta discipline?

Correct. The DHs I've seen farming Act III have 100k+ DPS (with Sharpshooter, of course).

[Ramirez]

Do you guys use Sharpshooter over Night Stalker? I guess it depends on how much Discipline you have to begin with...I'm only at 40 currently.

[Lingitiz]

Emperor Hakan may have the worst voice I have ever heard in any game.

[Riggs]

Right. You could spend a ton of gold and only be able to take a couple more hits, or you could spend gold and take things down before they can hit you. Short of going with the probably-soon-to-be-nerfed critical damage build, most encounters with champ mobs are going to end very poorly without caltrops, traps, Smoke Screen and a lot of kiting anyway. Building a DH to take hits makes absolutely no sense.

Using Opiates suggestions so far and it's working. I mean what can we use at this point to try and get mobs away from us for a few seconds so we can kill them though?

Caltrops is worthless basically in Hell I've found. Right now I am using Smoke Screen to run away and get some attacks in. I never use traps really.

Prep/Smoke Screen/Companion-Bat (for hatred regen). Impale-stun/Hunger/Multi (Not high enough lvl for elemental's last rune).

Seems to be working, but damn I miss Caltrops so much : (

[LordCanti]

Do you guys use Sharpshooter over Night Stalker? I guess it depends on how much Discipline you have to begin with...I'm only at 40 currently.

There's a semi-bug that gives you a lot more critical hits than you should get when using Sharpshooter and a hatred spender.

Not using it is throwing away DPS IMO.

Using Opiates suggestions so far and it's working. I mean what can we use at this point to try and get mobs away from us for a few seconds so we can kill them though? Caltrops is worthless basically in Hell I've found. Right now I am using Smoke Screen to run away and get some attacks in. I never use traps really. Prep/Smoke Screen/Companion-Bat (for hatred regen). Impale-stun/Hunger/Multi (Not high enough lvl for elemental's last rune). Seems to be working, but damn I miss Caltrops so much : (

Caltrops + the rune that stops enemies for a second or so (I forget the name) is pretty crucial in the higher acts, unless you take stuff down so quick that it doesn't even matter.

[Totakeke]

Probably, but I figured it might come out with more DPS than my current one. It has 5 enchants, so I guess I could get lucky...probably not.

Do tell us the result though, so none of us has to make that same mistake again. :P

[Macattk15]

How much do you guys think this is worth?

Got off one of my Inferno Butcher kills ... hope to make some cashes.

[Riggs]

There's a semi-bug that gives you a lot more critical hits than you should get when using Sharpshooter and a hatred spender. Not using it is throwing away DPS IMO.

So when I am using Multishot w/ Sharpshooter I am getting crits I shouldn't be getting? Noticed I am critting a fuck load. I guess this will get nerfed to?

[Won]

Using Opiates suggestions so far and it's working. I mean what can we use at this point to try and get mobs away from us for a few seconds so we can kill them though? Caltrops is worthless basically in Hell I've found. Right now I am using Smoke Screen to run away and get some attacks in. I never use traps really. Prep/Smoke Screen/Companion-Bat (for hatred regen). Impale-stun/Hunger/Multi (Not high enough lvl for elemental's last rune). Seems to be working, but damn I miss Caltrops so much : (

Caltrops is godlike in Inferno imo.

[Riggs]

There's a semi-bug that gives you a lot more critical hits than you should get when using Sharpshooter and a hatred spender. Not using it is throwing away DPS IMO. Caltrops + the rune that stops enemies for a second or so (I forget the name) is pretty crucial in the higher acts, unless you take stuff down so quick that it doesn't even matter.

Caltrops is godlike in Inferno imo.

How can you use Caltrops + the 80% rune though? Everything just teleports past it, or those champs that are so fast Caltrops basically does nothing it seems. Or the champs pull you to them. It seems like a waste to bother using it, and I love Caltrops don't get me wrong. Wish it was more effective past nightmare.

I want to be wrong about this btw, just what I am experiencing at the moment.

[sega4ever]

im trying to buy an authenticator from blizzard, but under payment options i only see a list of credit cards. please don't tell me i can't use paypal to pay for one since thats what i used to buy diablo 3.

[Ramirez]

There's a semi-bug that gives you a lot more critical hits than you should get when using Sharpshooter and a hatred spender. Not using it is throwing away DPS IMO.

Yea, tonight was actually the first night I stopped using it. I was way more worried about having discipline to survive in A2, it had been destroying us the past couple nights.

Do tell us the result though, so none of us has to make that same mistake again. :P

For sure, I'm sure the results will be hilarious.

Riggs, I think they mean Torturous Ground, which immobilizes them for 2 seconds. I switched to that after using the increased slow for a long time because it was not working in Inferno.

[LordCanti]

So when I am using Multishot w/ Sharpshooter I am getting crits I shouldn't be getting? Noticed I am critting a fuck load. I guess this will get nerfed to?

This is my understanding of what is going on anyway. Watch this guy take down Act 3's boss in Inferno in 22 seconds

Riggs, I think they mean Torturous Ground, which immobilizes them for 2 seconds. I switched to that after using the increased slow for a long time because it was not working in Inferno.

Yeah, that's the one. Three of those in a row and stuff just gets kind of stuck like glue.

[Ramirez]

This is my understanding of what is going on anyway. Watch this guy take down Act 3's boss in Inferno in 22 seconds

dat attack speed

[Riggs]

This is my understanding of what is going on anyway. Watch this guy take down Act 3's boss in Inferno in 22 seconds Yeah, that's the one. Three of those in a row and stuff just gets kind of stuck like glue.

Ya this made me just realize, I should be using Smokescreen w/ breathe deep. That hatred regen! At least on boss's like that.

Yea, tonight was actually the first night I stopped using it. I was way more worried about having discipline to survive in A2, it had been destroying us the past couple nights. For sure, I'm sure the results will be hilarious. Riggs, I think they mean Torturous Ground, which immobilizes them for 2 seconds. I switched to that after using the increased slow for a long time because it was not working in Inferno.

Thank you!! And Canti/Opiate also thanks guys. Will be trying the 2 sec rune for sure.

[michaelius]

How much do you guys think this is worth? Got off one of my Inferno Butcher kills ... hope to make some cashes.

Crazy. Makes me wonder what you are using right now that this one goes for sale :)

[Macattk15]

Crazy. Makes me wonder what you are using right now that this one goes for sale :)

Well. I'm a Wizard so the stats aren't Ideal ... and I have 2 15% IAS 80 INT rings on.

I really don't have any Crit % at all on my Wiz.

But I figure I can make a pretty penny off that ring for some DH/Monk especially.

[michaelius]

Makes sense.

DHs will pay a lot for it through :)

[Riggs]

Well. I'm a Wizard so the stats aren't Ideal ... and I have 2 15% IAS 80 INT rings on. I really don't have any Crit % at all on my Wiz. But I figure I can make a pretty penny off that ring for some DH/Monk especially.

Yep. I would be buying it from you right now if I had money : )

[LordCanti]

Well. I'm a Wizard so the stats aren't Ideal ... and I have 2 15% IAS 80 INT rings on. I really don't have any Crit % at all on my Wiz. But I figure I can make a pretty penny off that ring for some DH/Monk especially.

Rings can be had with just as much dex as well as attack speed (15% or so, I think). Per ring, that's 30% additional speed, and a ton of dex. I'm not the greatest theorycrafter, but I don't think +10-22 damage makes up for the lack of the 15% AS.

The extra crit chance is nice, but we've (DH's) already got a skill that boosts crit. With most of our spells, we crit multiple times per second anyway (send a lightning ball, or similar thing through a mob and you'll see multiple crits).

Check the AH to find it's value for sure though. I'm not a monk, so I'm not as sure what they need. The extra crit chance may be huge to them.

[StoppedInTracks]

Is it just me or is there actually better and better gear showing up on the AH?

Seems that RNG took its time and is spewing some pretty good stuff. Finally.

[Macattk15]

Rings can be had with just as much dex as well as attack speed (15% or so, I think). Per ring, that's 30% additional speed, and a ton of dex. I'm not the greatest theorycrafter, but I don't think +10-22 damage makes up for the lack of the 15% AS. The extra crit chance is nice, but we've (DH's) already got a skill that boosts crit. With most of our spells, we crit multiple times per second anyway (send a lightning ball, or similar thing through a mob and you'll see multiple crits). Check the AH to find it's value for sure though. I'm not a monk, so I'm not as sure what they need. The extra crit chance may be huge to them.

The closest rings I could find close to what I have are up there for around 500k. Sounds fine to me.

[Riggs]

This is my understanding of what is going on anyway. Watch this guy take down Act 3's boss in Inferno in 22 seconds Yeah, that's the one. Three of those in a row and stuff just gets kind of stuck like glue.

Is he also using Nether Tentacles on that Elemental Arrow?

[LordCanti]

Is it just me or is there actually better and better gear showing up on the AH? Seems that RNG took its time and is spewing some pretty good stuff. Finally.

There seems to be a slow creep of DPS on weapons. The top stuff was 1000 a week ago, and it's up to 1500 or so. I don't think anything new is dropping, just that more people are in Inferno Act 4 now, and those people getting 1500 DPS things before were likely selling them for real money.

Is he also using Nether Tentacles on that Elemental Arrow?

Yeah. That guys build appears to be top of the line. +crit damage (and attack speed) on everything most likely, as well as the most discipline you can get from gear, and the fastest hatred regen.

[Sh1ner]

Played public last night, all my armour stats on loot I have found now exceed everything that is available to me from the black smith. All black smiths stuff that in inferior to my current armour set is locked out to me as they are level locked to 25 and I am 21.

:|

I was considering training my blacksmith to a higher level but I assume all new items he produces would also be level locked.

I am a monk and looking to use dagger 1h with shield. What level do I need to train my blacksmith so he can start forging daggers? I already have him at adept level.

[froliq]

Is it just me or is there actually better and better gear showing up on the AH? Seems that RNG took its time and is spewing some pretty good stuff. Finally.

People are also further now. Farming Act 2 and 3 instead of 1. And there was this easy act 4 farm, but it doesn't drop rares anymore now.

[Riggs]

There seems to be a slow creep of DPS on weapons. The top stuff was 1000 a week ago, and it's up to 1500 or so. I don't think anything new is dropping, just that more people are in Inferno Act 4 now, and those people getting 1500 DPS things before were likely selling them for real money. Yeah. That guys build appears to be top of the line. +crit damage (and attack speed) on everything most likely, as well as the most discipline you can get from gear, and the fastest hatred regen.

Nice good info, thanks again bud.

[Kod1ak]

So.. umm.. I'm not getting any rare drops off of bosses in Nightmare solo... is this normal?

Just killed Belial, Nightmare.. I got a handful of blues and whites and that's it.

Pretty sure I got nothing of value from The Butcher, as well..

[fuzzyreactor]

So.. umm.. I'm not getting any rare drops off of bosses in Nightmare solo... is this normal? Just killed Belial, Nightmare.. I got a handful of blues and whites and that's it. Pretty sure I got nothing of value from The Butcher, as well..

u only get rares drops the first time u beat them. so yes, thats normal

[michaelius]

So.. umm.. I'm not getting any rare drops off of bosses in Nightmare solo... is this normal? Just killed Belial, Nightmare.. I got a handful of blues and whites and that's it. Pretty sure I got nothing of value from The Butcher, as well..

Yep i got nothing worthwille from them in whole Nightmare.

[Kod1ak]

u only get rares drops the first time u beat them. so yes, thats normal

Well, that is disappointing.

[Jubbly]

Well, that is disappointing.

Drops are geared around the defeat of Elite packs, which are typically tougher than the bosses in Inferno.

[Ryan_]

Any wizards in Act 2 - 4 Inferno mind telling me what stats they invest in defensewise?
resist all? vit? Or just plain old int en glass canon

[Opiate]

Is it just me or is there actually better and better gear showing up on the AH? Seems that RNG took its time and is spewing some pretty good stuff. Finally.

This isn't logical. A more rational explanation would be this: as time goes on, an increasingly large number of people are farming late game inferno. With an increasingly large number of people farming, an increasingly large set of good weapons and armor will show up. This effect should continue to snowball.

[Totakeke]

u only get rares drops the first time u beat them. so yes, thats normal

I wonder if you skip beating the bosses at lower difficulty then beat them first time in the higher difficulties, will you still get rares considering your character beats them the first time?


Not like there's any real point doing that of course.

[fuzzyreactor]

actually i should correct myself. you can also get rares after first play through but its a lot more uncommon. They aren't guaranteed like in normal. I actually got a legendary drop on one of the nightmare bosses.

[Jubbly]

Any wizards in Act 2 - 4 Inferno mind telling me what stats they invest in defensewise? resist all? vit? Or just plain old int en glass canon

Resist all is the most valuable Inferno stat, as evident by the AH prices.

actually i should correct myself. you can also get rares after first play through but its a lot more uncommon. They aren't guaranteed like in normal. I actually got a legendary drop on one of the nightmare bosses.

A full five stacks of Nephalem Valor pretty much guarantees 2-3 rares per boss kill.

[BigJonsson]

nephalem valor?

Oh, I wikied it

[MKAllDay]

Can I get a price check on this please? I figure even though the attributes are low the high dmg, ias, and resist rolls more than make up for it. Plus a little life regen never hurts.

[joesmokey]

Well The Butcher Act I Inferno was much easier than I thought it would be. No good drops of course, what else is new :).

Time to save Act II Inferno for another day...

[michaelius]

Hmm also regarding DH builds is there any consensus on:

one handed xbox with shield vs bow/xbox+quiver for hell ?

[Jubbly]

Can I get a price check on this please? I figure even though the attributes are low the high dmg, ias, and resist rolls more than make up for it. Plus a little life regen never hurts.

A little bit of everything, good resists and decent IAS make this a pretty expensive ring given the ridiculous ring prices. No idea what price, but pretty high.