[Chet Rippo]

a mod can easily do this for you... or offer them your life for his :)

Yeah, any mod can edit the posts if you ask nicely.

[tkscz]

There's no relationship between performance and OpenGL version. Not that it matters, because Nintendo doesn't even use standard APIs to begin with.

AH HA. I knew I was right. On the GT boards someone kept telling me Nintendo used OpenGL when I said they used their own custom API.

[Father_Brain]

Really about what?

They're just showing the E3 demos to journalists/retailers/analysts who can't make it to LA. It's not a distinct event or anything, as far as I know.

[Fourth Storm]

While specs are always fun to discuss, it's important to note that Wii U has all the hardware for next gen OS functions. I believe this has the potential to impress consumers even more than fancy graphics. The tablet controller really could revolutionize the typical console experience. Here's what I'd like to see:

-Video chat (OS level, put a game in standby to take a call)
-Voice Commands
-Facial recognition (hopefully better than kinect, should be as the camera will be close)
-Suspend game (hopefully this will save your current state even if you put the system in standby or turn it off)
-OS level screen grab/video (share your achievements w/ your friends in a new way, draw on screen shots to highlight your "play")
-Watch a friend's play session online via the DRC (like that 1up article last year)
-Multitasking (keep an FAQ open to reference)

Add to this that Wii U has potential to be a great Netflix box, with an optimal interface for browsing through the selection (and no longer hampered by SD output). Then, there are other expected aps/channels, such as the renovated and converged eShop, Hulu, MLB, etc.

I suppose my point is this: On my Xbox 360, I sometimes just log in to see what's up without deciding what I want to do/play. I only sometimes do this on Wii and almost never on PS3. If Nintendo can make Wii U something that you want to power on ever day, I think they'll be in good shape, even w/ the more powerful competition.

[Anth0ny]

One week!

unfortunately, Sony and Microsoft's conferences are looking worse and worse by the day. Game delays and no shows galore. Hopefully they have a few surprises.

is konami having an early "Press conference" this year?

[Agent Ironside]

I think this community as a whole has been reasonable in its expectations toward Wii U performances. Not a souped up current gen HD, not a Xbox360 1.2, not a full generational leap over the ps360 either. NintenGAF IS WISE ! :D

I'm one of the few though who really believe its going to be able to run UE4 at some capacity, I believe it has to if Nintendo wants to get their 3rd party support back.

[snesfreak]

If I had to put my money down it would be on November, but I wouldn't object to an earlier release. I just hope the AU date doesn't trail too far behind the US.

November 2013 release for you!

[Aostia]

Man, latest leaks about graphical leap between Wii U and Orbis-Durango are quiet depressing.
If the Wii U will be another Wii in terms of technological gap with competitors, we'll have again long and exhausting void periods with no game released....
Lucky me that I'm always oriented to buy at least two home console in a gen...

[Smiles and Cries]

They're just showing the E3 demos to journalists/retailers/analysts who can't make it to LA. It's not a distinct event or anything, as far as I know.

I still think Japan has its own types of games, that may end up being shown
its not like things like LOVE PLUS and Boobie Ninja Fighters are huge at E3 you know

[Bluemercury]

Man, latest leaks about graphical leap between Wii U and Orbis-Durango are quiet depressing. If the Wii U will be another Wii in terms of technological gap with competitors, we'll have again long and exhausting void periods with no game released.... Lucky me that I'm always oriented to buy at least two home console in a gen...

what are the latest leaks ?

[HylianTom]

-Watch a friend's play session online via the DRC (like that 1up article last year)

This has to be one of my top wishes as far as online features are concerned. There are many times when I'm tired out of my mind at the end of a work day and I know I'm going to suck at whatever gaming I attempt, so I'd much rather watch someone else play.

This is where Let's Play videos come into the picture. If this feature was added to the system.. oh my, I'd be quite a happy camper.

[IdeaMan]

While specs are always fun to discuss, it's important to note that Wii U has all the hardware for next gen OS functions. I believe this has the potential to impress consumers even more than fancy graphics. The tablet controller really could revolutionize the typical console experience. Here's what I'd like to see: -Video chat (OS level, put a game in standby to take a call) -Voice Commands -Facial recognition (hopefully better than kinect, should be as the camera will be close) -Suspend game (hopefully this will save your current state even if you put the system in standby or turn it off) -OS level screen grab/video (share your achievements w/ your friends in a new way, draw on screen shots to highlight your "play") -Watch a friend's play session online via the DRC (like that 1up article last year) -Multitasking (keep an FAQ open to reference) Add to this that Wii U has potential to be a great Netflix box, with an optimal interface for browsing through the selection (and no longer hampered by SD output). Then, there are other expected aps/channels, such as the renovated and converged eShop, Hulu, MLB, etc. I suppose my point is this: On my Xbox 360, I sometimes just log in to see what's up without deciding what I want to do/play. I only sometimes do this on Wii and almost never on PS3. If Nintendo can make Wii U something that you want to power on ever day, I think they'll be in good shape, even w/ the more powerful competition.

the bold ones are already available to developers, or planned to be available in the documentation they can access.

Some of the rest are maybe activated also (those linked to the camera, they weren't accessible a few months ago but it could have changed with newer sdk revisions) or expected as they advertised these at E3 2011, and as disclosed here, they left huge room for the OS/system functions.

[Oddduck]

Man, latest leaks about graphical leap between Wii U and Orbis-Durango are quiet depressing. If the Wii U will be another Wii in terms of technological gap with competitors, we'll have again long and exhausting void periods with no game released.... Lucky me that I'm always oriented to buy at least two home console in a gen...

I think most hardcore gamers will usually buy more than 1 console.

I see myself buying Wii U for Nintendo's exclusives and a PS4 for Sony's exclusives. So I'm honestly not worried about Wii U's lack of power killing of third party support. I just worry for people who will only buy a Wii U because they'll miss out on a lot of third party games.

Wii U should be getting a lot of PS3/360 third party games for the next 2-3 years though. I don't see 360/PS3 dieing out that fast, even after next gen systems launch.

[SolidSnakex]

I agree. Since EC is talking mainly about buzz, I don't dispute that the other two consoles' superior graphics capabilities will probably be enough of a differentiator for MS and Sony within enthusiast gaming communities like this one. As far as the mass market is concerned, though, I think MS and Sony (and DICE, and Crytek, and Epic) may well be surprised by just how hard it is to use visuals as a differentiator. Services, controllers, and exclusive software will probably prove more effective.

A big part convincing them will be in the marketing. Eventually people will start to believe what you're saying if you keep beating them over the head with it. We've seen that happen several times in this industry.

[IdeaMan]

[Not related to Wii U but it could in the end] Capcom trademarked "Remember Me" for a game

[Instro]

[Not related to Wii U but it could in the end] Capcom trademarked "Remember Me" for a game

Who was it that wanted the Anthony Higgs spinoff lol.

[onilink88]

the bold ones are already available to developers, or planned to be available in the documentation they can access. Some of the rest are maybe activated also (those linked to the camera, they weren't accessible a few months ago but it could have changed with newer sdk revisions) or expected as they advertised these at E3 2011, and as disclosed here, they left huge room for the OS/system functions.

Nothing about OS-level screencapturing? That's disappointing. :(

[chris3116]

I read many posts about the power for Wii U VS the others 2 and the 3rd party support.

I really don't care which console is the most powerful. As for me, it's the software first. If Wii U is a success right at the launch and for the next 2 years, 3rd party developers will have no choice to support to the console. It will not be a Wii situation again. If the 3rd party snubbed the console right now, they will be stupid.

The Wii at the first years was a success but the 3rd party snubbed the console and they backed up the HD twins. And now, many of them are now either in red or totally bankrupted (Take THQ or Sega). Yeah, I can see the PS4 and Xbox 3 to be more powerful but then again for what expense. Both consoles will be the paradise for the huge 3rd pary companies (EA, Activision,...) and not for the mid-range developers unless you're on digital services like XBLA or PSN or Nintendo eShop. If it costs over 10 millions to make a PS4/Xbox3, the small developers won't bring anything to them.

As for the games, Nintendo needs to make an alternative library to the Xbox 3/PS4. Both consoles will bring shooters and most western multiplatform games. Nintendo needs to make an unique ecosystem with some key 3rd party multiplatform games, moneyhat or make deals like publishing for some 3rd party exclusives, bring more 1st party and 2nd party that are for the core if the Wii U is attending to be.

As for the market leadership, I think it's now irrevelant. The console must be profitable for Nntendo or any manufactuers first. If Sony or Microsoft are market leader and they don't make money, it will mean nothing especially for Sony with their huge losses years after years. If they bring a console for $500 or more with the supposed specs, I could see them failing.

[Dreamwriter]

There's no relationship between performance and OpenGL version. Not that it matters, because Nintendo doesn't even use standard APIs to begin with.

In the past Nintendo used something *very close* to OpenGL, and on the 3DS you can use OpenGL ES (with extensions for its special features). I'm pretty sure the Wii-U will support OpenGL ES.

[tsab]

[Not related to Wii U but it could in the end] Capcom trademarked "Remember Me" for a game

Hahahahaha

edit: damn you gaf, I was too late

[IdeaMan]

Nothing about OS-level screencapturing? That's disappointing. :(

Oh i bet it will be available, it may already be the case and i just don't know it, or it could be tied with the completion of the OS, the dashboard, etc, so it's not ready yet.

[shadyspace]

[IMG] Who was it that wanted the Anthony Higgs spinoff lol.

acebandage.

[Boss Doggie]

Even prior to E3 GAF is fluctuating. I wonder if it can keep itself alive during E3.

Also, am I the only one who's very curious in what the Japanese devs have in store for WiiU? I know they haven't leaked anything yet, but maybe we'll see some tidbits in E3? Or maybe in TGS?

[HylianTom]

Even prior to E3 GAF is fluctuating. I wonder if it can keep itself alive during E3. Also, am I the only one who's very curious in what the Japanese devs have in store for WiiU? I know they haven't leaked anything yet, but maybe we'll see some tidbits in E3? Or maybe in TGS?

Extremely curious. I think that they're Nintendo's best hope for substantial third-party support.

[onilink88]

Oh i bet it will be available, it may already be the case and i just don't know it, or it could be tied with the completion of the OS, the dashboard, etc, so it's not ready yet.

Okay. That's kinda encouraging, I guess. :P

[Instro]

acebandage.

Oh dear, how ironic.

[Linkhero1]

One week! unfortunately, Sony and Microsoft's conferences are looking worse and worse by the day. Game delays and no shows galore. Hopefully they have a few surprises. is konami having an early "Press conference" this year?

I think Konami has a recorded video package this year. I believe it's this week actually, but I'm not 100% sure.

[Oddduck]

I read many posts about the power for Wii U VS the others 2 and the 3rd party support. I really don't care which console is the most powerful. As for me, it's the software first. If Wii U is a success right at the launch and for the next 2 years, 3rd party developers will have no choice to support to the console. It will not be a Wii situation again. If the 3rd party snubbed the console right now, they will be stupid. The Wii at the first years was a success but the 3rd party snubbed the console and they backed up the HD twins. And now, many of them are now either in red or totally bankrupted (Take THQ or Sega). Yeah, I can see the PS4 and Xbox 3 to be more powerful but then again for what expense. Both consoles will be the paradise for the huge 3rd pary companies (EA, Activision,...) and not for the mid-range developers unless you're on digital services like XBLA or PSN or Nintendo eShop. If it costs over 10 millions to make a PS4/Xbox3, the small developers won't bring anything to them.

The Wii U's third party support won't be bad. It just won't be great.

It will ride the wave of 360/PS3 ports for the next 2 years so it should get plenty of support from now until end of 2014. And it has more modern technology, so I could see it get some downports of Durango/PS4 games.

But here's the thing. Do Nintendo gamers want to buy a downport of a Durango/PS4 game?

When Nintendo fans are told that the Wii U is getting the "downport" of a third party game, that doesn't make a Nintendo fan want to rush out and buy the Wii U version of that specific third party game.

Even if they have no other consoles, they'd probably rather buy the PC version.

[Father_Brain]

I read many posts about the power for Wii U VS the others 2 and the 3rd party support. I really don't care which console is the most powerful. As for me, it's the software first. If Wii U is a success right at the launch and for the next 2 years, 3rd party developers will have no choice to support to the console. It will not be a Wii situation again. If the 3rd party snubbed the console right now, they will be stupid.

One would hope so, but it's already looking like the system will miss out on a much larger percentage of multiplatform titles than I would have expected before, say, last E3. I would not, for instance, be surprised if none of the major titles recently delayed from Q4 into Q1 of next year (BioShock Infinite, Tomb Raider, South Park, DmC, etc.) end up on Wii U, at least not until well after the PS3/360 versions.

I really want to believe that Wii U will be the first Nintendo console since SNES to be well-supported by third parties for the entirety of its normal lifespan, but it'll take a lot of good news at E3 (and good sales figures for core software after it actually launches) to convince me that its third-party support isn't going to end up a victim of either Nintendo's own past decisions, or of Nintendo's arguable focus on the controller over future-proofing the hardware.

[schuelma]

Also, am I the only one who's very curious in what the Japanese devs have in store for WiiU? I know they haven't leaked anything yet, but maybe we'll see some tidbits in E3? Or maybe in TGS?

Extremely.

[Linkhero1]

The Wii U's third party support won't be bad. It just won't be great. It will ride the wave of 360/PS3 ports for the next 2 years so it should get plenty of support. And it has more modern technology, so I could see it get some downports of Durango/PS4 games. But here's the thing. Do Nintendo gamers want to buy a downport of a Durango/PS4 game? When Nintendo fans are told that the Wii U is getting the "downport" of a third party game, that doesn't make a Nintendo fan want to rush out and buy the Wii U version.

Just like with PS2, Wii U only-owners will most likely buy downports. Unless they own a PC, I see this as the likely scenario. If the downports are noticeably different and suffer a lot of issues that will cause me to nag, I will have to buy a secondary console for those third party games. Judging by what bg has stated in the past few threads, I don't think this will be a problem.

[HylianTom]

If it's a game I'm interested in, I'll certainly grab it. I don't really care what form the game comes in on the other consoles.

Just my personal take.. but Nintendo fans who complain about third-party support on Nintendo systems and then proceed to "vote with their money" elsewhere absolutely boggle my mind. If they were truly serious about that complaint, they'd act accordingly, one would think..

[Spieler Eins]

Also, am I the only one who's very curious in what the Japanese devs have in store for WiiU? I know they haven't leaked anything yet, but maybe we'll see some tidbits in E3? Or maybe in TGS?

Metal Gear Rising is probably one of the very few ports that I would wanna see.

[Javier]

"Remember Me" sounds like it would be a Visual Novel.

[HylianTom]

"Remember Me" sounds like it would be a Visual Novel.

Isn't it a Robert Pattinson movie?

[Linkhero1]

Even prior to E3 GAF is fluctuating. I wonder if it can keep itself alive during E3. Also, am I the only one who's very curious in what the Japanese devs have in store for WiiU? I know they haven't leaked anything yet, but maybe we'll see some tidbits in E3? Or maybe in TGS?

As sad as it is, I didn't enjoy much Japanese developed games this gen. The majority of my favorite were mostly Western developed. I'm talking in terms of third party because Nintendo does a fantastic job.

So far I'm only interested in a new 2D Castlevania game for the Wii U, but that might not happen. Actually, I would love a Ys game on the Wii U too.

[Smiles and Cries]

"Remember Me" sounds like it would be a Visual Novel.

is Capcom known for those?

[Oddduck]

Isn't it a Robert Pattinson movie?

lol yeah it is.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1403981/

[HylianTom]

lol yeah it is. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1403981/

I know because my mom is one of those fans of his.

Dad calls him "The GloWorm," teasing Mom that if he's a vampire whose skin glows.. then all of his body must glow in the sun. ALL of his body, haha.. Mom hates that nickname.

[Oddduck]

If it's a game I'm interested in, I'll certainly grab it. I don't really care what form the game comes in on the other consoles. Just my personal take.. but Nintendo fans who complain about third-party support on Nintendo systems and then proceed to "vote with their money" elsewhere absolutely boggle my mind. If they were truly serious about that complaint, they'd act accordingly, one would think..

When Wii U gets the best console versions of games, I will "vote with my money".

For example, in my opinion, Wii U is getting the best console versions of Alien Colonial Marines, Darksiders 2, Metro Last Light, and Assassins Creed 3.

So I'll be buying all of those for Wii U. Yeah PC might get the best overall version, but I don't play PC. But as far as consoles go, Wii U will get the best versions of those specific games. So I'll buy them for Wii U.

[Boss Doggie]

is Capcom known for those?

Ace Attorney

[Nibel]

I know because my mom is one of those fans of his.

Yeah.. right Tom

[Hot Coldman]

Remember Me has the best ending of any film in ages.

[HylianTom]

Yeah.. right Tom

Honestly, I'm not on anyone's team but "Team Jake."



:)

[-Pyromaniac-]

Remember Me has the best ending of any film in ages.

lol more like dumbest cheesiest ham fisted shoehorned etc ending ever.

[EloquentM]

OS isn't done yet though...

[wsippel]

AH HA. I knew I was right. On the GT boards someone kept telling me Nintendo used OpenGL when I said they used their own custom API.

The 3DS actually does support a customized version of OpenGL called DMPGL (OpenGL|ES 1.1 plus GL|ES Extension Pack plus Maestro extensions), but its use is discouraged in the official documentation.

[Oddduck]

Didn't GameCube use OpenGL or am I wrong?

Edit: (I'm probably wrong lol).

[Sadist]

Ha, Tom's mom has a crush :'D

[Smiles and Cries]

OS isn't done yet though...

say waaa?

it better be son... it better damn well be... we don't need another 3DS shit storm