[shinobi602]

To look anywhere near as good as it did at E3...

Watching that game in motion, it seemed like a reasonable step up into next gen. I think we can say with good certainty the 720/PS4 won’t have a GPU close to a GTX 680 equivalent.

Will we not see games looking that good next gen on consoles? Minimal leap indeed =/

[Horse Armour]

Are you drunk?

[Jibbed]

To look anywhere near as good as it did at E3... Watching that game in motion, it seemed like a reasonable step up into next gen. I think we can say with good certainty the 720/PS4 won’t have a GPU close to a GTX 680. Will we not see games looking that good next gen on consoles? Minimal leap indeed =/

I bet I could run it at 30fps on my GTX 560Ti. GPU's aren't everything bro.

Are you drunk?

+1. Shinobi, you crazy. Do you even know what you're talking about?

[Khold]

Then play it on PC?

[Lambtron]

Blah blah optimiziation for a single architecture blah blah.

[StevieP]

Then play it on PC?

I was just coming to post this. If you want it to look that good, you'll need to play it on PC.

[Para bailar La Bomba]

shinobi602
Junior Member status forthcoming

[Jibbed]

Junior Member status forthcoming

I've been thinking the same for a while.

[eosos]

Nah man, nah. I mean, look at God of War 3. The PS3 is running on a 5 year old graphics card and can pump shit out like that. Consoles get optimized way better than PCs.

[shinobi602]

I was just coming to post this. If you want it to look that good, you'll need to play it on PC.

It just seemed like a normal step up from gen to gen. It's hard to believe this may really be the first time we see an incremental jump in consoles instead of a big leap like we always do.

[Gravijah]

you don't make graphics look good with a gpu, you make it look good with soul.

and i'm pretty sure ps4/720 will have a pretty good soul processing unit.

[walking fiend]

To look anywhere near as good as it did at E3... Watching that game in motion, it seemed like a reasonable step up into next gen. I think we can say with good certainty the 720/PS4 won’t have a GPU close to a GTX 680. Will we not see games looking that good next gen on consoles? Minimal leap indeed =/

The same hardware on consoles provide much better performance than the thing on PC; due to better access to low-lever stuff and lack of OS overhead, I presume; common knowledge.

Starwars is the least you can expect possible from a gtx 680 in a console.

[FLEABttn]

720p plus 30 fps.

So, no, it won't look like that, but it will look rather close.

[Rad-]

People always say this before every gen.

[SteelAttack]

you don't make graphics look good with a gpu, you make it look good with soul. and i'm pretty sure ps4/720 will have a pretty good soul processing unit.

1.2 petasouls/second baby.

[StevieP]

720p plus 30 fps. So, no, it won't look like that, but it will look rather close.

Yes sir

[Dennis]

Star Wars 13241232341 didn't even look that good.

Now Watch_Dogs.....that looked good!

For proof look at the gifs that were made for the two games.......they tell all.

[DieH@rd]

To look anywhere near as good as it did at E3... Watching that game in motion, it seemed like a reasonable step up into next gen. I think we can say with good certainty the 720/PS4 won’t have a GPU close to a GTX 680. Will we not see games looking that good next gen on consoles? Minimal leap indeed =/

Oh dear god, so much ignorance. At least you did not ask for >16gb of ram in nextgen consoles [UE4 demo used that much].

[shinobi602]

Are you drunk?

Noooo.

[Lingitiz]

Its pretty common knowledge that it will be optimized for consoles. As for PC, GPU tech is always evolving, and there will always be optimization tweaks to get around it. That demo was running in the most ideal conditions possible for demo purposes. Keep in mind we probably won't see this game until late 2013 or 2014. A lot of things can changes in that timespan.

[alexandros]

Eh, I'm sure they will be able to at 720p and (barely) 30 fps.

[Gouty]

Well this thread wasn't a total waste. I found out Star Wars 1313 exists because of it.

[TUROK]

I think we can say with good certainty the 720/PS4 won’t have a GPU close to a GTX 680.

No, we can't.

[x3sphere]

I'd wager a guess that consoles "only" need a 560Ti equivalent in power to match the 680. There's a lot more neat optimization tricks you can do on consoles that are unfeasible on PCs due to driver overhead etc.

[Goldmund]

If yet another cover shooter doesn't make it to the next generation of consoles, I won't shed many tears.

[StevieP]

No, we can't.

Yes, we can.
We won't see anything NVidia, first off, nor will we see anything with that kind of power envelope.

I'd wager a guess that consoles "only" need a 560Ti equivalent in power to match the 680

C'mon dude

[iamshadowlark]

To look anywhere near as good as it did at E3... Watching that game in motion, it seemed like a reasonable step up into next gen. I think we can say with good certainty the 720/PS4 won’t have a GPU close to a GTX 680 equivalent. Will we not see games looking that good next gen on consoles? Minimal leap indeed =/

You don't know that at all and have no proof. This is a horrible thread.

[Erasus]

Closed system does wonders.

Try running Crysis 2/GoW3/Uncharted 3 on a 7800GTX (RSX in PS3) with 512MB RAM and get back to me how that went.

But, yes PC is better. But dont use thier PC showcase for that

[chaosblade]

Yes we can.

Sure we can - they might not come out until 2015-2016! So it's possible!

[enzo_gt]

To look anywhere near as good as it did at E3... Watching that game in motion, it seemed like a reasonable step up into next gen. I think we can say with good certainty the 720/PS4 won’t have a GPU close to a GTX 680 equivalent. Will we not see games looking that good next gen on consoles? Minimal leap indeed =/

I think it's time for you to go lie down and rest.

[shinobi602]

You don't know that at all and have no proof. This is a horrible thread.

Why? I'm going based off what so many here say at least. The kind of power draw needed to run a GTX 680 equivalent wouldn't be feasible in a console platform currently.

[Sho_Nuff82]

All we have are rumors and speculation on the PS4 and 720 specs. Anyone telling you "definitively" that they won't be able to run tech demos from E3 2012 is probably lying or has an agenda.

[Father_Brain]

No, we can't.

The GTX 680 has around the same TDP (200W) as the PS3 and 360 launch models. As in, the GPU alone has the same TDP as the entire console. Just how much larger are you expecting Orbis or Durango to be?

[Glorified G]

Blah blah optimiziation for a single architecture blah blah.

This. also being in a closed environment I don't know why people make direct comparisons between console development and pcs. People did the exact same with Samaritan. "It uses three gpu's no way this is possible on a console!"

[Dennis]

There is no way that a console coming out will have games that look as good as a PC with a GTX 880 in 2014.

You heard it here first.

Please quote "DennisK4" when referencing.

[nelsonroyale]

Whatever ND do on PS4 look a good margin better than that...if you think that is the ceiling for next gen, you are in for a shock....it looks very nice, but like others Watch Dog actually impressed me more....1313 showed some fantastic effects and lighting, in pretty limited and small environments...

Anyway, the logic is flawed...who says 1313 is pushing a 680 to its limit? It can probably run 80fps on a 680

[Erasus]

Why? I'm going based off what so many here say at least. The kind of power draw needed to run a GTX 680 equivalent wouldn't be feasible in a console platform currently.

What you are saying is true.

But a closed system wont need a GTX 680 to run that.

Again, they code to the metal on consoles.
Try running Crysis 2 in 720p on a 7800GTX

[iamshadowlark]

Why? I'm going based off what so many here say at least. The kind of power draw needed to run a GTX 680 equivalent wouldn't be feasible in a console platform currently.

Thats not anymore encouraging. You should be going off what developers say. Developers usually showcase pc games on the best available hardware. Just because they played it on a 680 doesn't mean it needs a 680.