[Ad Infinitum]

Finally got round to watching it.

Loved it.

I was really entertained. Thank fuck I didn't watch the trailers though, that 3 minute one gives so much away! I don't care about the plot holes, I really enjoyed the film and really enjoyed the 3d. Saying this as someone who was a huge Alien & Aliens fan growing up.

[Solo]

Thank fuck I didn't watch the trailers though, that 3 minute one gives so much away!

How do you know this if you don't watch trailers?

[Solo]

Come on man. Alien and Blade Runner are fucking gorgeous to look at. Like 'hold your breath' beautiful.

Yes, no disagreements there. But what is your point? Jesse James looks even better.

[Suairyu]

Good god, man.

[MadOdorMachine]

Finally got round to watching it. Loved it. I was really entertained. Thank fuck I didn't watch the trailers though, that 3 minute one gives so much away! I don't care about the plot holes, I really enjoyed the film and really enjoyed the 3d. Saying this as someone who was a huge Alien & Aliens fan growing up.

I agree. I guess it's getting bad reviews though? I find that surprising as it's just as good as Avatar which everyone raved about. I thought the story was fresh and full of lore.

I look at it as a whole new series. Ridley knew that the Alien series was greatly tarnished so I think he wanted give those fans something, but also make something that allows future movies more options. He knows it's a new franchise and that's clearly what he was aiming for. There were no doubts about that when he left such an open ending and so many questions for viewers. In fact, there are more questions now than there ever were before.

[Solo]

Good god, man.

Sorry that Jesse James is not the sacred cow that Alien or Blade Runner is, but in terms of lighting, composition and everything that makes up cinematography, I find it to be superior to both.

[DoctorWho]

I agree. I guess it's getting bad reviews though? I find that surprising as it's just as good as Avatar which everyone raved about. I thought the story was fresh and full of lore. I look at it as a whole new series. Ridley knew that the Alien series was greatly tarnished so I think he wanted give those fans something, but also make something that allows future movies more options. He knows it's a new franchise and that's clearly what he was aiming for. There were no doubts about that when he left such an open ending and so many questions for viewers. In fact, there are more questions now than there ever were before.

It's getting 73% on RT.

[Ad Infinitum]

How do you know this if you don't watch trailers?

because i watched them after i saw the film...

[Good Job Bob]

Sorry that Jesse James is not the sacred cow that Alien or Blade Runner is, but in terms of lighting, composition and everything that makes up cinematography, I find it to be superior to both.

Yeah man, and Daniel Craig is a better actor than Michael Fassbender.

[Solo]

Glad to hear you think so, not sure what that has to do with the current discussion though.

[Scullibundo]

Yeah man, and Daniel Craig is a better actor than Michael Fassbender.

I'm starting to believe that you're adapting to your avatar.

[Solo]

For the record I think people tend to not give enough credit to Alien and Blade Runner's art direction, which I think many mistakenly lump under cinematography.

[Suairyu]

For the record I think people tend to not give enough credit to Alien and Blade Runner's art direction, which I think many mistakenly lump under cinematography.

Those people are idiots.

And I don't do sacred cows. Merely personal disagreements.

[Bluemercury]

Did the movie perform well??is the sequel guaranteed?

[zoukka]

For the record I think people tend to not give enough credit to Alien and Blade Runner's art direction, which I think many mistakenly lump under cinematography.

They are both widely celebrated for their art...

[Solo]

Those people are idiots. And I don't do sacred cows. Merely personal disagreements.

Well that's fair enough.

For the record, only one of the three films we're discussing was nominated for best cinematography at the Oscars, and it wasn't either of Scott's films.

*awaits conveniently trotted out argument about Oscars being a joke*

[Scullibundo]

I think you mean production design, but I'm willing to overlook it.

[Good Job Bob]

I'm starting to believe that you're adapting to your avatar.

Then I guess it'd be a good time for me to change it. ;)

Also, I don't believe Craig's a better actor than Fassbender.

Did the movie perform well??is the sequel guaranteed?

Performed well but a sequel isn't guaranteed.

[zoukka]

*awaits conveniently trotted out argument about Oscars being a joke*

No arguments needed for that matter.

[Ape Gone Insane]

How's the box office earnings for this? Success or moderate?

[Solo]

No arguments needed for that matter.

People say it when they aren't happy with what is nominated/wins. When there are happy, they don't say shit. Therefore its used when convenient.

[zoukka]

People say it when they aren't happy with what is nominated/wins. When there are happy, they don't say shit. Therefore its used when convenient.

The people I know don't even acknowledge them.

[Solo]

They must be so intellectual and deep. I bow in their wake!

[zoukka]

They must be so intellectual and deep. I bow in their wake!

Well they aren't as condescending as some folk.

[Solo]

It was a joke, hombre.

Although that is a rather stuffy stance.

[Scullibundo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJp7Wd6Af2A#t=2m58s

[zoukka]

It was a joke, hombre. Although that is a rather stuffy stance.

I'm dead serious amigo.

Or am I?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJp7Wd6Af2A#t=2m58s

That needs to be the sound a xenomorph makes in Prometheus 2 or Alien 5.

[siddx]

Saw it in non 3D due to timing issues.
Really enjoyed it. Second half of the film was a mess but it didn't really matter, it remained highly entertaining throughout. Even when the pace was going all crazy and 800 new things were popping up and then disappearing for no good reason, I still found myself enjoying myself.

More than anything though I just loved how the film looked. Really stunningly beautiful and did a fantastic job of making that moon seem both fascinating and terrifying.

[Suairyu]

People say it when they aren't happy with what is nominated/wins. When there are happy, they don't say shit. Therefore its used when convenient.

Chronicles of Narnia beat Star Wars Episode III for best visual effects.

Think about that for a moment.

[Solo]

Can't speak to Narnia (or LOTR lite, amirite), but all of the prequels have bad CG.

[brandonh83]

Can't speak to Narnia (or LOTR lite, amirite), but all of the prequels have bad CG.

Considering the sheer volume of CG in those movies I found it to be very impressive.

[Nappuccino]

Structure, characters, shots, scenes, dialogue..

So Aliens is more of a remake than a sequel?

[Tom_Cody]

I didn't say it WAS a remake. I said it was more a remake than a prequel. It's kind of like last year's incarnation of The Thing.

I agree with Sculli here, though it is sort of a moot point.

Financially all Fox cares about is that this is a way to make more money off the franchise. It is parts reboot, remake, prequel, and sequel.

[andycapps]

How's the box office earnings for this? Success or moderate?

For an R rated sci-fi movie I'd say they're pretty happy with the first week. $51 million domestic for opening weekend. The budget was $150 million, I believe. So they should make that back with domestic receipts alone. Worldwide ticket sales and obviously DVD/Blu-ray sales will make the studio happy.

[Ashhong]

They must be so intellectual and deep. I bow in their wake!

This cracked me up. Most of the posts on GAF warrant this kind of sarcastic response.

[Suairyu]

So Aliens is more of a remake than a sequel?

uh... Aliens is unlike Alien in pretty much every way. It was most definitely not a remake.

Not that Prometheus was either, but I can at least draw more direct comparisons there.

[Nappuccino]

uh... Aliens is unlike Alien in pretty much every way. It was most definitely not a remake. Not that Prometheus was either, but I can at least draw more direct comparisons there.

Aliens has a lot of the same beats and characters as Alien. The main difference is the number of Aliens and guns.

[Suairyu]

Aliens has a lot of the same beats and characters as Alien. The main difference is the number of Aliens and guns.

I honestly don't know what to say. You're in an extreme minority with this view. Cameron was very conscious to not do the same film again in the slightest and even five minutes of footage would show you the huge difference in approach to pacing, tone, characters, dialogue, cinematography, mis en scene, plot progression and emotion.

[Nappuccino]

I honestly don't know what to say. You're in an extreme minority with this view. Cameron was very conscious to not do the same film again in the slightest.

The context is different, but many elements remain the same. I've done a run down of them before.

[BluWacky]

Finally saw this this evening (Imax 3D, which I don't normally do but it suited the film).

Obviously part of it is down to the actor, but how do you end up with a character and performance like David/Michael Fassbender when there is almost no other characterisation in the film? There are so many interesting ideas and possibilities thrown around and almost all of them get thrown away - as if the writers only thought "wouldn't it be cool if..." without actually thinking about how to build up to or explore the concepts they're bandying around.

It looks great, the actors commit to it wholeheartedly (Fassbender and Rapace are particularly good, although Rapace suffers far more from the foibles of the plot and its disconnected set pieces), and I would probably watch it again. But it would have been nice if it had been a bit better.

[derder]

I think this was the best prequel of all time. I can't think of any others. X-men: First Class was really good.... Is that it?

[Good Job Bob]

Finally saw this this evening (Imax 3D, which I don't normally do but it suited the film). Obviously part of it is down to the actor, but how do you end up with a character and performance like David/Michael Fassbender when there is almost no other characterisation in the film? There are so many interesting ideas and possibilities thrown around and almost all of them get thrown away - as if the writers only thought "wouldn't it be cool if..." without actually thinking about how to build up to or explore the concepts they're bandying around. It looks great, the actors commit to it wholeheartedly (Fassbender and Rapace are particularly good, although Rapace suffers far more from the foibles of the plot and its disconnected set pieces), and I would probably watch it again. But it would have been nice if it had been a bit better.

That's just Fassbender for you, a lazy script can't hold him down; damn shame his performance in this will probably be overlooked at the end of the year.

Oh well, I look forward to him in Ridley's next film 'The Counsellor'; that script should give him up much more to work with.

[Scullibundo]

Aliens has a lot of the same beats and characters as Alien. The main difference is the number of Aliens and guns.

Alright, let's get down to it. Have you ever really seen Aliens?

[Solo]

I think this was the best prequel of all time. I can't think of any others. X-men: First Class was really good.... Is that it?

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is the best prequel of all time.

[Scullibundo]

Best prequel = The Second Rennaissance

Godfather Pt. 2

[Solo]

Don't think Id qualify that as a prequel since over half of it is in the current time.

[itwasTuesday]

Just want to say the 4k print is gorgeous.

[Scullibundo]

Don't think Id qualify that as a prequel since over half of it is in the current time.

It's the best prequel and sequel in the same movie! But seriously, The Second Renaissance is great and it only goes for half an hour.

[Suairyu]

I actually find Part 2 lacking in comparison to the original Godfather.

I have now begun a debate that will tear Film-GAF further apart than Alien vs Aliens.

X-men: First Class was really good.... Is that it?

That was a reboot, not a prequel.

[Warm Machine]

For the record I think people tend to not give enough credit to Alien and Blade Runner's art direction, which I think many mistakenly lump under cinematography.

The director is always responsible for setting the tone for everything. The lighting, cameras, actors, costumes, everything. Anything caught on camera is the direct result of the director building the film and working with his departments.