[sTeLioSco]

Not this time around. I can GUARANTEE you my gaming PC RIGHT NOW will run circles around the next-gen consoles.

lol obviously he means the majority of gaming pcs......

the ones that developers will bother targeting for their games.

that pcs would be the one capable of running next-gen games
.anything above that would be a waste of money and will be the obvious minority....

[BGBW]

Games next gen will look like Watch Dogs and Star Wars. I'm good with that. Hell, those are just the first games of next gen era. When devs master the hardware, it'll be a real treat.

But isn't Watch Dogs current gen? So you're happy for next gen to look like this gen? Damn I'm getting confused.

[Fancy Corndog]

Computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps only weigh 1 1/2 tons.

-Popular Mechanics, 1949

[Cygnus X-1]

Well... they can sell a 100 million Wii Us, but I'm never touching one. Why? Because I can tell the difference. Here's hoping the end of Nintendo comes soon. I absolutely hate that a company that believes in mediocrity, regression, and bare minimum efforts is succeeding.

This post is beyond my expectation of this thread. Holy crap.

[Seep]

Star Wars 1313 looks like a damn cg cutscene. Reminds me of some who thought Soul Calibur could be done on the n64/ps. Some people see what they want to see.

I believe Star Wars is just like what UBI showed early on in this gen for Ghost Recon and will look nothing like the "gameplay" we saw at E3.

[SolidSnakex]

And yet, there will be ports of these titles to PS360. What does that tell you?

Does anyone really believe that Watch_Dogs will ever be released on the PS3 and 360?

[Diablos54]

Pachter has officially stated this multiple times... for what that's worth. Their stock value has also nosedived off a cliff from the Wii heyday so there's that too. Financially, I believe Nintendo just started reporting losses in the past year. There was a big deal made about them reporting an annual loss of $460 million back in late April... their first reported loss in over 30 years.

Anything Pachter says concerning Nintendo is pretty much the opposite of truth. :p

1 Reported loss of $460 million (Which won't be happening again if the Wii U sells well) is nowhere near enough to wipe out all their profit got from the Wii.

Does anyone really believe that Watch_Dogs will ever be released on the PS3 and 360?

Ubisoft sure do considering they've said so.

[Mpl90]

Pachter has officially stated this multiple times... for what that's worth.

I stopped reading here XD

[jmdajr]

Not this time around. I can guarantee you my gaming PC in my house will run circles around the next-gen consoles.

Not mine. I got a new GFX card with a 5 year warranty.

[StevieP]

Does anyone really believe that Watch_Dogs will ever be released on the PS3 and 360?

The producer does.

Read a recent thread on it, Ubisoft is targeting this gen as well as "other platforms" for the future, meaning PS4/720. It will not look anywhere near as good on PS3/360 as the demo did. It will be scaled down, a lot.

And what does that tell you in regards to the topic at hand? (Hint: it's the same thing that BF3, Witcher 2, Metro 2033, etc tell you)

[shinobi602]

But isn't Watch Dogs current gen? So you're happy for next gen to look like this gen? Damn I'm getting confused.

Read a recent thread on it, Ubisoft is targeting this gen as well as "other platforms" for the future, meaning PS4/720. It will not look anywhere near as good on PS3/360 as the demo did. It will be scaled down, a lot.

[radioheadrule83]

Iwata isn't as stupid as a minority forum posters here thankfully, although disagree with him? A great many will.

He's right to be skeptical about what kind of jump Microsoft and Sony will provide. Packing in a new-gen Kinect will not be cheap (if Microsoft decides to go that route), and significantly higher specced machines will both make the boxes bigger and push basic SKU costs up to $300+, maybe $399. That's a lot of money to ask of people in this day and age, and it represents a lot of risk, because there might be some who sit on their PS3s, Xbox 360s, cheap Wii-U's and smart devices and say "this is good enough for now, I'll buy that later". And if there are, that risk is transferred to the development community who plow tens of millions into software for new platforms on good faith. What Iwata is saying here about development costs is true: they will rise in cases where developers try to take advantage of extra power. New engine licenses, new R&D, more effort spent on more detail...

I don't think he's at all advocating that none of you buy a 720/PS4, I think he's saying that there is a big question mark over whether the other two can make the appeal of upgrading strong enough for the average joe, get the timing right, and strike the right balance so they don't just bankrupt another bunch of publishers and developers.

Watch_Dogs looks great, but it also looks like GTA with a nice lighting model and bokeh / focus effects. Star Wars 1313 looks amazingly cool, but it also looks like an upgraded Force Unleashed meets Uncharted -- with nice models and fire effects. Games this generation were, objectively speaking, a huge leap over SD games. Not just visually, things like Batman Arkham City just weren't possible before. It will take a lot of time and effort to make things that are even better, visually or otherwise. UE4 looks to have some impact and I think people *will* see the difference... the question is whether they appreciate the difference enough to upgrade and invest in new games at the pace that manufacturers and developers will need them to.

There will be more of these otherwise:

38 Studios - 2012
3D Realms - 2009
7 Studios (Activision) - 2011
Backbone Vancouver
BigBig (Sony) - 2012
Bizarre Creations (Activision) - 2010/2011
Black Rock (Disney) - 2011
Blue Fang Games - 2011
Blue Tongue (THQ) - 2011
BottleRocket - 2009
Brash Entertainment - 2008
Budcat (Activision) - 2010
Castaway Entertainment - 2008
Cavia - 2010
Cheyenne Mountain - 2010
Cing - 2010
Clover Studios (Capcom) - 2007
Codemasters Guildford - 2011
Cohort Studios - 2011
Concrete Games - 2008
Deep Silver Vienna - 2010
DICE Canada - 2006
EA Chicago - 2007
EA Bright Light - 2011/2012
EA Japan - 2007
Eidos Manchester - 2009
Eidos Hungary - 2010
Ensemble Studios (Microsoft) - 2008
Factor 5 - 2009
FASA (Microsoft) - 2007
Fizz Factor - 2009
Flagship Studios - 2008
Flight Plan - 2010
Frozen North Productions
FuzzyEyes - 2009
Gamelab - 2009
Game Republic Inc. - 2011
GRIN - 2009
Helixe (THQ) - 2008
Hudson Entertainment - 2011
Humannature Studio (Nexon Vancouver) - 2009
Ignition London - 2010
Ignition Florida - 2010
Incognito Entertainment (Sony) - 2009
Indie Built (Take-Two) - 2006
Iron Lore - 2008
Juice Games (THQ) - 2011
Kaos Studios (THQ) - 2011
Killaware - 2011
Killspace Entertainment - 2011
KMM Brisbane - 2011
Krome Studios (might still be operating on skeleton crew) - 2010
Kuju Manila - 2009
Kuju Chemistry - 2009
Kush Games - 2008
Locomotive Games (THQ) - 2010
Luxoflux - 2010
Mass Media (THQ) - 2008
Monte Cristo - 2010
Monumental Games - 2012
Midway Austin - 2009
Midway Newcastle - 2009
MTV Games - 2011
Multiverse - 2012
NetDevil - 2011
Ninja Studio - 2009
Outerlight - 2010
PAM Development (Take-Two) - 2008
Pandemic Australia (EA) - 2009
Pandemic LA (EA) - 2009
Paradigm Entertainment - 2008
Pi Studios - 2011
Pivotal Games (Take-Two) - 2008
Propaganda Games (Disney) - 2011
Pseudo Interactive - 2008
Rainbow Studios (THQ) - 2011
Realtime Worlds - 2010
Rebellion Derby - 2010
Red Octane - 2010
Rockstar Vienna - 2007
Sandblast Games (THQ) - 2008
SEGA San Francisco - 2010
Shaba Games (Activision) - 2009
SOE Denver - 2011
SOE Seattle - 2011
SOE Tuscon - 2011
Stormfront Studios - 2008
Straylight Studios - 2009
Team Bondi - 2011
The Code Monkeys - 2011
Titan Studios - 2009
THQ Studio Australia - 2009
THQ Digital Warrington - 2009
THQ San Diego - 2012
Transmission Games - 2009
Universomo (THQ) - 2009
Venom Games (Take Two) - 2008
Vicarious Visions California - 2007
Visceral Australia (EA) - 2011
Wolfpack Studios - 2006
Yuke's Company Of America - 2010
Zoe Mode London - 2009

[Raistlin]

i like facts. do you have any to support your notion that Nintendo has blown all the money they made on the Wii?

Oh wow. You really think that?

I had just started catching up on some of the Giant Bombcasts for pre-E3 and E3 yesterday and heard it. In the one (may have been the Day 0 or one of the pre-E3 shows), Michael Pachter came in and was talking about it.

And before you say 'arggggh ... Pachter', believe me I've disagreed with plenty of his statements in the past. This however was talking about actual known financials, his actual real job. He obviously did his due diligence, and had plenty of numbers to discuss.

To be honest a lot of it was pretty surprising (and disturbing). I was thinking about making a thread about it but I assumed there already was one since this is like 5 podcasts back. So if you search around it's probably been talked about.

Either way I'm at work ... but I can find out which podcast it was (and a time index) later today.

I'm not implying that, I agree with you. I can definitely imagine a Prince of Persia looking beyond amazing on a high end PC. Do I believe though more cartoony games will appear on Wii U? Yes, Nintendo 1st party games will make sure of that, and influence 3rd parties. I also believe a Wii U Prince of Persia looking worse than a high end PC game game, but using the GamePad smartly would have a chance to be the better game.

That's the salient point, and based on history it's pretty questionable whether we'll see a ton of that from 3rd parties.

[Raide]

Does anyone really believe that Watch_Dogs will ever be released on the PS3 and 360?

I think Ubi are stuck in a transition. I am sure they don't want to miss out on the massive user-base the 360 and PS3 have. If they live up to the plans, it could be another massive franchise for them.

On the other hand, I am sure they want to jump into next-gen and support the move to higher-end hardware. Will they do current gen and then bring out the better edition later? That might work as a way to draw people into the 720/PS4 but it would have to be significantly improve, content wise, to get people to jump in again.

[Kafel]

Iwata in PR hell to defend his shitty Wii U.

[Screenboy]

haha thats brilliant

[Mpl90]

Another thing is that, if the economic situation doesn't improve, probably a family will buy just one console in the future, and not being as multiplatform as we've seen in this gen. If Wii U obtains to sell well in its first year / year and a half, obtaining also support, why people should look for brand new consoles priced over 400 $ this time ( especially considering the first games won't show obviously great differecences with this gen ).

[radioheadrule83]

And before you say 'arggggh ... Pachter', believe me I've disagreed with plenty of his statements in the past. This however was talking about actual known financials, his actual real job. He obviously did his due diligence, and had plenty of numbers to discuss.

There is no way... repeat - no possible way - they have blown all the money they made with the Wii and DS. They had their first loss in 20+ years or something, it was not enough to wipe out the ludicrous profits they have been making since 2006. Nintendo's IA site is free to browse so someone else can do you the honor of showing you the numbers -- but even if Pachter said that? He's wrong. Perhaps they were thinking of Sony and the PS2!

[Raide]

Another thing is that, if the economic situation doesn't improve, probably a family will buy just one console in the future, and not being as multiplatform as we've seen in this gen. If Wii U obtains to sell well in its first year / year and a half, obtaining also support, why people should look for brand new consoles priced over 400 $ this time ( especially considering the first games won't show obviously great differecences with this gen ).

Since MS is currently testing different payment methods, I can see them applying the same methods to the 720.

As for launch line-up, they might just have some very good stuff in the works. Epic are busy with something non-Gears. Bungie are working on stuff and RARE (Don't laugh) have been very quiet. 343i are bound to show something Halo related also.

[Lonely1]

There is no way... repeat - no possible way - they have blown all the money they made with the Wii and DS. They had their first loss in 20+ years or something, it was not enough to wipe out the ludicrous profits they have been making since 2006. Nintendo's IA site is free to browse so someone else can do you the honor of showing you the numbers -- but even if Pachter said that? He's wrong. Perhaps they were thinking of Sony and the PS2!

But there's so much we don't know. Maybe Yamauchi and Iwata blew all the money on hookers and dope. :O

[Penguin]

I had just started catching up on some of the Giant Bombcasts for pre-E3 and E3 yesterday and heard it. In the one (may have been the Day 0 or one of the pre-E3 shows), Michael Pachter came in and was talking about it. And before you say 'arggggh ... Pachter', believe me I've disagreed with plenty of his statements in the past. This however was talking about actual known financials, his actual real job. He obviously did his due diligence, and had plenty of numbers to discuss. To be honest a lot of it was pretty surprising (and disturbing). I was thinking about making a thread about it but I assumed there already was one since this is like 5 podcasts back. So if you search around it's probably been talked about. Either way I'm at work ... but I can find out which podcast it was (and a time index) later today. .

They are a public company, who releases their financial results almost every 3 months.

I think folks would have noticed 10 billion dollars disappearing and made a bigger deal about it.

[MormaPope]

Another thing is that, if the economic situation doesn't improve, probably a family will buy just one console in the future, and not being as multiplatform as we've seen in this gen. If Wii U obtains to sell well in its first year / year and a half, obtaining also support, why people should look for brand new consoles priced over 400 $ this time ( especially considering the first games won't show obviously great differecences with this gen ).

Why do you want every person/family to just own a Wii-U?

Also if people buy $600 Ipads and if many people still spend a good chunk of money to build a kickass gaming PC, why would a $500 console result in failure?

If the technology is great and if there's really great games on a console, it'll sell. Price matters, but the price of something can be justified in many ways.

[Mlatador]

Games next gen will look like Watch Dogs and Star Wars. I'm good with that. Hell, those are just the first games of next gen era. When devs master the hardware, it'll be a real treat.

Not, it won't! I want GAMES and not cinematic virtual graphic-tours.

[PdotMichael]

Not, it's won't! I want GAMES and not cinematic virtual graphic-tours.

and?

Watch Dogs is less game than P-100?

[StevieP]

Why do you want every person/family to just own a Wii-U? Also if people buy $600 Ipads and if many people still spend a good chunk of money to build a kickass gaming PC, why would a $500 console result in failure?

The iPad argument doesn't work in the context of gaming console discussion. It has been brought up thousands of times in the past couple years and is in a completely different market segment and most who purchase it don't consider it a "luxury item" like people do gaming consoles.

There's a reason why some console manufacturers are diverting some of their BOM to include things we all hate.

[Hiltz]

Nintendo does its own thing and third-parties will largely do their own thing. That's where I see the problem. With third-party exclusives being a dying breed, it will be more challenging to convince third-parties to create worthwhile asymmetrical gameplay experiences that don't boil down to just resorting to using non-essential things like slapping the inventory or map on the touchscreen. Nintendo's choosing its own path and it with comes its own list of obstacles to face, some of which already appear to be foreseeable.

[shinobi602]

Not, it's won't! I want GAMES and not cinematic virtual graphic-tours.

They looked like games to me.

[SolidSnakex]

Ubisoft sure do considering they've said so.

The producer does.

Yes, I know that it's announced for those platforms, but I really don't expect that it'll ever be released on them. I think that they'll be quietly canned whenever the PS4 and next Xbox are announced. I'm not alone either as you can go back and look at the reactions in the reveal thread when it was first mentioned that UBI's PR materials listed it as a PS3 and 360 game. I just can't see them retooling that game so that it's acceptable on current gen platforms. The downgrade would be massive.

[szaromir]

There is no way... repeat - no possible way - they have blown all the money they made with the Wii and DS. They had their first loss in 20+ years or something, it was not enough to wipe out the ludicrous profits they have been making since 2006. Nintendo's IA site is free to browse so someone else can do you the honor of showing you the numbers -- but even if Pachter said that? He's wrong. Perhaps they were thinking of Sony and the PS2!

Maybe they were paying out dividends to shareholders?

[radioheadrule83]

Why do you want every person/family to just own a Wii-U? Also if people buy $600 Ipads and if many people still spend a good chunk of money to build a kickass gaming PC, why would a $500 console result in failure?

It wouldn't. It could result in a slow burn userbase build-up though, like the PS3 this generation. That's fine for us as consumers really, because the PS3 has had a long life and is still seeing great games now, but it has come at a cost. Lower marketshare, and a lot of dead developers who made a bad bet.

Read what Molyneaux was saying about AAA budgets the other day... few games sell 5-8m+ - its in the industry's best interests to have platforms and userbases where they *can* sell towards that figure.

[Warm Machine]

Not this time around. I can guarantee you my gaming PC in my house will run circles around the next-gen consoles.

The PC you have right now? Won't rule it out but I personally doubt it. Even if it is technically more powerful, a dedicated system with fast ram and without the overhead of a full PC OS and zillions of programs running in the background is going to be much leaner and easier to get the most out of.

It is the equivalent to the belief that a Nov 2005 PC could still run Battlefield 3 or Crysis 2 as "nicely" as an XBox 360 does.

Iwata is playing a dangerous game. Next gen could see a significant jump where the effort required to break down the lead sku to a WiiU sku may not be worth the cost based on the expected units it will sell. Current gen ports and expected though but they will only get up to three years of that benefit over the transition period from current to next gen.

[rezuth]

This is class. The guy in charge of the number one most successful videogame company in the world ever is "stupid". You know, I really honestly don't care enough one way or the other but threads like this sure can bring the laughs.

Are you suggesting that Ballmer is also a genius? Come on, he obviously had great ideas initially I just think we see that he really have no clear idea how to move forward now and is underestimating how important certain factors of gaming is.

[Cygnus X-1]

Iwata isn't as stupid as a minority forum posters here thankfully, although disagree with him? A great many will. He's right to be skeptical about what kind of jump Microsoft and Sony will provide. Packing in a new-gen Kinect will not be cheap (if Microsoft decides to go that route), and significantly higher specced machines will both make the boxes bigger and push basic SKU costs up to $300+, maybe $399. That's a lot of money to ask of people in this day and age, and it represents a lot of risk, because there might be some who sit on their PS3s, Xbox 360s, cheap Wii-U's and smart devices and say "this is good enough for now, I'll buy that later". And if there are, that risk is transferred to the development community who plow tens of millions into software for new platforms on good faith. What Iwata is saying here about development costs is true: they will rise in cases where developers try to take advantage of extra power. New engine licenses, new R&D, more effort spent on more detail... I don't think he's at all advocating that none of you buy a 720/PS4, I think he's saying that there is a big question mark over whether the other two can make the appeal of upgrading strong enough for the average joe, get the timing right, and strike the right balance so they don't just bankrupt another bunch of publishers and developers. Watch_Dogs looks great, but it also looks like GTA with a nice lighting model and bokeh / focus effects. Star Wars 1313 looks amazingly cool, but it also looks like an upgraded Force Unleashed meets Uncharted -- with nice models and fire effects. Games this generation were, objectively speaking, a huge leap over SD games. Not just visually, things like Batman Arkham City just weren't possible before. It will take a lot of time and effort to make things that are even better, visually or otherwise. UE4 looks to have some impact and I think people *will* see the difference... the question is whether they appreciate the difference enough to upgrade and invest in new games at the pace that manufacturers and developers will need them to.

Good post.

[Raistlin]

There is no way... repeat - no possible way - they have blown all the money they made with the Wii and DS. They had their first loss in 20+ years or something, it was not enough to wipe out the ludicrous profits they have been making since 2006. Nintendo's IA site is free to browse so someone else can do you the honor of showing you the numbers -- but even if Pachter said that? He's wrong. Perhaps they were thinking of Sony and the PS2!

Podcast in question - http://www.giantbomb.com/podcast/?podcast_id=313

Starts 43 minutes in. 47 min in is where he's starts talking about Nintendo, but it's worth listening all the way through (bonus neogaf trolling).




What he says is they have less cash then they had at the start of this gen.

[gogogow]

There is no way... repeat - no possible way - they have blown all the money they made with the Wii and DS. They had their first loss in 20+ years or something, it was not enough to wipe out the ludicrous profits they have been making since 2006. Nintendo's IA site is free to browse so someone else can do you the honor of showing you the numbers -- but even if Pachter said that? He's wrong. Perhaps they were thinking of Sony and the PS2!

And none of Nintendo's fiscal years reflect that. Nintendo made it's first annual loss in over 3 decades. And it was a $530 million loss, while they made a $960.5 million profit the year before.

The first time Nintendo publicly reported its earnings was the same year I was born: 1981. Every single year since then the Japanese gaming company has turned a profit – until now. For its fiscal year ending March 31st, Nintendo posted over half a billion in losses due to declining Wii sales and disappointing 3DS sales performance. [PDF report is here.] Over $530 million in losses on $8 billion in revenue, compared with a $960.5-million profit on $12.6 billion in sales the year before, is a reflection of the struggling Japanese economy and weaker game sales overall.

[Bluemercury]

The PC you have right now? Won't rule it out but I personally doubt it. Even if it is technically more powerful, a dedicated system with fast ram and without the overhead of a full PC OS and zillions of programs running in the background is going to be much leaner and easier to get the most out of. It is the equivalent to the belief that a Nov 2005 PC could still run Battlefield 3 or Crysis 2 as "nicely" as an XBox 360 does. Iwata is playing a dangerous game. Next gen could see a significant jump where the effort required to break down the lead sku to a WiiU sku may not be worth the cost based on the expected units it will sell. Current gen ports and expected though but they will only get up to three years of that benefit over the transition period from current to next gen.

will PS4720 have 12 gigas of ram???i doubt it....even considering the amount used by the OS....

[MormaPope]

The iPad argument doesn't work in the context of gaming console discussion. It has been brought up thousands of times in the past couple years and is in a completely different market segment and most who purchase it don't consider it a "luxury item" like people do gaming consoles. There's a reason why some console manufacturers are diverting some of their BOM to include things we all hate.

I brought it up not as a point for gaming, but for the sale of technology as a whole.

I could get a laptop for the same price as an Ipad, but some people would get an Ipad over a laptop. Why? Because Apple is really good at creating demand for something they're selling.

If a console manufacturer can put enough power and features in a console, it'll justify the price. The PS3 launch specifically was bad because $600 doesn't justify being able to have much more data stored onto discs (blu-ray).

[radioheadrule83]

Next gen could see a significant jump where the effort required to break down the lead sku to a WiiU sku may not be worth the cost based on the expected units it will sell.

The OG Wii had ports of Force Unleashed 1/2, all Call of Duty games, the EA sports big guns, and even special versions of games like Ghostbusters, Clone Wars etc. In addition to nice things like Monster Hunter Tri of course. If there is a userbase there, third parties will try and use it. That's the risk here: they're moving on from a 95m userbase to ZERO. Iwata has already fumbled the ball by deflating Wii-U hype around E3, he needs to exploit this head start as much as possible -- ie. start getting it right, fast.

I'd expect the technical feasibility of down-porting to be wayyy easier than it was this gen, having to fuck around with the Wii's TEV units to achieve anything nice, implementing pointer schemes, having no hard drive etc.

[jmdajr]

But it goes to prove there is more to progress than graphics and the way we interact with out games is becoming the big thing. Just this E3 Microsoft showed off Smartglass and Sony has the WunderbarBook. If it was about graphics we'd still be using a joystick and one button. And he'd be AstroNUTS to think that was progress.

Sure, I'm with you on all that BUT. These days Nintendo's controller innovations are eating into the Hardware budget. Remember back when Mario64 came out and you were amazed at both the Controls and Graphics? That is no longer reality really.To be fair we still need to see HD versions of Nintendo franchises, but for the time being it's very underwhelming. And depending on what the competition brings, the HD version might not be as impressive as we think. We'll see.

[Fancy Corndog]

Yeah, what difference is five years of tech going to make? This happens every.single.time. When will people learn?

[Smokey]

The PC you have right now? Won't rule it out but I personally doubt it. Even if it is technically more powerful, a dedicated system with fast ram and without the overhead of a full PC OS and zillions of programs running in the background is going to be much leaner and easier to get the most out of. It is the equivalent to the belief that a Nov 2005 PC could still run Battlefield 3 or Crysis 2 as "nicely" as an XBox 360 does.

Yes, my PC now will lap these next gen consoles. My GPU alone, a GTX 690, will laugh at the chips in the next consoles. That's not taking into account the processor (4.6ghz), my ram (16GB), my Solid State Drive etc.

[deejay8595]

LOL! Hilarious!

[The Boat]

And none of Nintendo's fiscal years reflect that. Nintendo made it's first annual loss in over 3 decades. And it was a $530 million loss, while they made a $960.5 million profit the year before.

That doesn't mean that they lost the money they made with Wii. At all.

[Fancy Corndog]

Yes, my PC now will lap these next gen consoles. My GPU alone, a GTX 690, will laugh at the chips in the next consoles. That's not taking into account the processor (4.6ghz), my ram (16GB), my Solid State Drive etc.

Look at the PS3's specs, make a PC that is a bit better, and then see if you can get games to look like Uncharted.

[radioheadrule83]

That doesn't mean that they lost the money they made with Wii. At all.

I don't think he meant it as a reply to me... more to Raistlin.

[toleoring]

Iwata saying the true next gen spec is not necessary, Miyamoto saying 3DS is the best handheld hardware this gen.....


what is up with Nintendo these days

[jmdajr]

Yes, my PC now will lap these next gen consoles. My GPU alone, a GTX 690, will laugh at the chips in the next consoles. That's not taking into account the processor (4.6ghz), my ram (16GB), my Solid State Drive etc.

Yeah but PS4 will be 500 bucks. Your PC was more than a thousand unless you bought a crap motherboard and power supply.

[BigTnaples]

Lol.


I really cannot wait until E3 and beyond. I hope everyone is bookmarking these threads for when we see true next gen titles running on UE4, Cryengine 3.5(and 4), etc.

Next gen games will be a huge leap. You don't see it now, but trust me. If MS and Sony put a decent amount of horsepower behind the 720 and PS4, many people in here will be eating crow.

[StevieP]

Yeah but PS4 will be 500 bucks. Your PC was more than a thousand unless you bought a crap motherboard and power supply.

What he's saying is still true. There is nothing coming in these consoles that will come anywhere close to an i7 with a 690, let alone a 680/7970/etc.

[Smokey]

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