7aged
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North Carolina to outlaw climate model #1

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North Carolina tries to outlaw climate models

17:55 15 June 2012 by Hannah Krakauer
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Political satirist Stephen Colbert's solution to unfavourable climate science is simple: "If your science gives you a result that you don't like, pass a law saying that the result is illegal. Problem solved."

Legislators in North Carolina are apparently of the same mindset. When a state-appointed commission announced that North Carolinians could expect 39 inches of sea-level rise by 2100, the Senate responded with a bill that legally prevents the Division of Coastal Management from using the climate model that forecasts fast-rising sea levels. Instead, the legislators would like to see coastal management use only a linear model, which predicts a mere 8-inch rise by the same year.

The 8-inch model, based solely on historical records from the last 100 years, flies in the face of modern climate science. Sea level rise is due to a combination of climate-driven factors: warmer temperatures cause ocean water to expand, and rising temperatures are melting the Arctic and Antarctic ice caps. The combined feedback makes for exponential – not linear – growth. Yet the North Carolina bill states: "Rates of sea-level rise may be extrapolated linearly to estimate future rates of rise but shall not include scenarios of accelerated rates of sea-level rise."

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Dear water, according to state legislation 123/4 , you are not permitted to rise by more than 8 inches.
GaimeGuy
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(06-17-2012, 12:54 PM)

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trying to compete with South Carolina
Darklord
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So this is the political version of "lalalalalala can't hear you! lalalalalala"
Steelrain
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(06-17-2012, 12:58 PM)

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Old.
lazybones18
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(06-17-2012, 01:00 PM)

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Wow, North Carolina has been on a roll lately >_>
Ondore
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(06-17-2012, 01:02 PM)

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South Carolina is best Carolina.
jgminto
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(06-17-2012, 01:04 PM)

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Wait, what? "No, I don't like those results. They seem scary. Let's use these instead!" I don't think that's how science works.
Scrow
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA
Dead Man
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Bloody hell, my mind is boggled at the thought of someone seriously doing that.

Originally Posted by Steelrain: View Post
Old.
If you are going to post old, at least put a link.
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(06-17-2012, 01:20 PM)

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I wasn't even aware that the government had the power to tell scientists which theories they can use.
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Is this going to be decided with a vote? I'd like to weigh in on the whole "we don't use science" thing.
sangreal
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(06-17-2012, 01:43 PM)

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Originally Posted by Dead Man: View Post
If you are going to post old, at least put a link.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=38349275
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Reading World War Z, it's amazing how accurate Brook's satire is of modern governments. By the time we actually respond to the facts, it will be far too late and many people will die.
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If there's over 39 inches of sea level rise in 2100, every politician involved should have their descendants cast into the sea.
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Legislators in North Carolina are apparently of the same mindset. When a state-appointed commission announced that North Carolinians could expect 39 inches of sea-level rise by 2100, the Senate responded with a bill that legally prevents the Division of Coastal Management from using the climate model that forecasts fast-rising sea levels. Instead, the legislators would like to see coastal management use only a linear model, which predicts a mere 8-inch rise by the same year.
So the Division of Coastal Management is going to have to manage the coast based on a predicted rise in sea level of 8 inches?

Time to get as far away as possible if you work there. Because you know it's all going to be your fault if (when?) the sea rises by 9 inches and there's a disaster.
Fari
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(06-17-2012, 01:53 PM)

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I'm telling you people, the earth revolves around the sun!
jaxword
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(06-17-2012, 01:55 PM)

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Originally Posted by jgminto: View Post
Wait, what? "No, I don't like those results. They seem scary. Let's use these instead!" I don't think that's how science works.
That's exactly how science works, at least in this country.
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How the fuck is this possible.... Land of the free and ignorant.
Dead Man
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Good man, thankyou.
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Could they pass a law saying there's no poverty and violence in North Carolina? You could do all kinds of great stuff with this.
Wilsongt
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Originally Posted by GaimeGuy: View Post
trying to compete with South Carolina
Not even close... All that Haley needs to do is try to do something that benefits NC's coast and fucks over Myrtle Beach now and then she'll really be earning gold stars...

Fucking whore.
Tieno
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Problem solved.
Ultima_5
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Between all the anti-evolution news and now this, living in this country is getting to be exceptionally embarrassing... How hard is it to move to another country? Like Canada or something
Ether_Snake
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Politicians working in the interest of future generations!
Zzoram
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Originally Posted by Seanspeed: View Post
I wasn't even aware that the government had the power to tell scientists which theories they can use.
Science informs decision making, science doesn't make decisions.

Politicians are the ultimate decision makers, and quite often ignore science for political or ideological reasons.
Diablos
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Are we in the dark ages again? WTF
Binabik15
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So, can a federal court overturn this?

Because slippery slope and all.
Monocle
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(06-17-2012, 03:18 PM)

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This is just demented. It's infuriating to know that morons wield such influence in this country.
Averon
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(06-17-2012, 03:21 PM)
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So, this is the legislative equivalent of "La la la la la I can't hear you, I can't hear you, I can't hear you!!!!"
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Akuun
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Outlawing bad news, huh...

I hope this trend doesn't catch on.
jaxword
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THIS IS NOT NEW, GUYS.

Seriously, medical and scientific progress is held back by politics all the time.

You know how we all know that cigarettes cause cancer?

There was a period when the data that suggested this was deliberately undermined and sabotaged by lobby and interest groups in favor of the tobacco industry. In other words, when results said it caused cancer, they'd fire back with results saying it was inconclusive.

This mainly happened in the 80s/early 90s.

It happened then, it happened hundreds of years ago with Galileo, it happened in the Soviet Union 50 years ago, and it'll happen again 100 years from now.

Knowledge doesn't equal power.
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MadraptorMan
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Not proud to be from NC these days...