[brianjones]

yeah i dont even know how to answer that lol

[bonesquad]

I don't think it was a cop out. Jaimie was always a puss. I never believed he could do it :P Anyway Terry was planning to blackmail ames with it right? Or use that to be with him? Something like that? And it didn't work out, lolz. She loses.

I was thinking big picture in who they had do the crime period. Having Jamie initiate the act allowed them to then pull in a family member in Terry (because as you say, no way was Jamie finishing the act).

I'm seeing a lot of this on twitter trending.. "#TheKilling‬ reveal blows. Let's turn a normal character into a psychopathic killer at the last second so everyone's surprised. Lame." and this "I love how both Rosie and Terry were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. ‪#thekilling" While these may look like flaws, i'm not so sure. These two ideas may be connected as in overarching message of the show. this is seen mostly in conjuction with an exchange between linden and holder that bookends the pilot and the season 2 finale. Those ideas of normalcy covering up deviance, and being in the wrong place at the wrong time... the show is built on that expected randomness it seems like (didn't Holder allude to randomness in the season 2 finale tonight? i might be hallucinating though, im tired.). "we got the bad guy"-"yeah... who's that?" lines said in the pilot and the S2 finale, showing evil isn't simply a person or a personality you can find and point to, it's something more vague, more random... idk, i like that though, but i'm probably a fan reaching. if upon further scrutiny it all doesn't hold up i will concede weak scriptwriting, but i will maintain the great quality of the composition in the show though. Jamie's shooting scene was tense, terry's breakdown was beautiful, the dark office with linden and holder was as dark lighting-wise as the show has been since season one which was awesome. the acting was great, music was suitable. i just loved the players and loved the play. I'm still a fan veena, your slow burn storytelling is welcome. cold case, the killing, bring on your next.

I'm not sure you can say Terry turned into "psychopathic killer at the last second". It was a crime of passion/opportunity and there's a reason why she was #2 on the AMC suspect poll. And since late in season 1 it seemed the story was going in the direction of wrong place at the wrong time after they tried to repeatedly smear Rosie in the plot but it turning into a red herring. I liked the ending since it pulled in both sides of the story they followed all series, the family and the political campaign. Overall if you pull out the crap especially from season 1 (the whole teacher story line, Holder being dirty, ect) I enjoyed this show.

[GitarooMan]

I thought it was a good season (series?) finale. The last half hour was pretty haunting, the scene where the car goes into the lake was disturbing. I would like to see it come back for some more Linden and Holder action but I think it's unlikely.

[MBison]

The Killing could have been an amazing 13 episode season. Stretching it to 26 episodes just didn't work as well.

[bill0527]

I'm not sure you can say Terry turned into "psychopathic killer at the last second". It was a crime of passion/opportunity and there's a reason why she was #2 on the AMC suspect poll. And since late in season 1 it seemed the story was going in the direction of wrong place at the wrong time after they tried to repeatedly smear Rosie in the plot but it turning into a red herring. I liked the ending since it pulled in both sides of the story they followed all series, the family and the political campaign. Overall if you pull out the crap especially from season 1 (the whole teacher story line, Holder being dirty, ect) I enjoyed this show.

I think they're talking about Jamie.

He went from ambitious smart-ass, to psychotic real quick. He spent every episode playing somebody totally different than the one we saw in the last episode.

[joesmokey]

I thought the finale was pretty satisfying (music was a great touch), but maybe I'm just easy to please with the show at this point.

I skipped a couple of episodes in the middle of this season to help with the pain. I'm a sucker with the way the show is shot though so I kept coming back D:.

[-Pyromaniac-]

I always found it weird that they barely showed Rosie so it was hard to give a shit, occasionally they'd show glances. But not seeing her for so long made that video at the end more powerful when you piece together all the things you learned about her (how she was gonna go travel the world, enjoyed making movies, etc...), basically everything we learned about her personality was in that video.

[ChimpanzeeThat]

I thought the conclusion was fantastic.

And for the so-called Jamie-turning-last-minute-psycho people, you couldn't be more wrong. Have you not been paying attention to this character? He had made it clear throughout the show that he was obsessed with winning the election, trying to circumvent Darren's authority on many occasions to do so. He was never stable and he done all he could to distance himself and the campaign from Rosie.

When they discovered the footage of Rosie shaking Richmond's hand, it was Jamie who was insistent that they buried it. It was obvious that not only would it put the spotlight on the campaign, but lead to them all being investigated more thoroughly. He tried at every step to get Richmond to back away from the investigation, even suggesting he drop his support of Bennett Ahmed when he was under the spotlight.

Remember how he acted when Richmond was in hospital? He doted after him when he didn't need to and didn't make the effort needed to get hold of his sister. In his eyes, looking after Richmond was all part of his job and when our Mayor-to-be wanted to throw in the towel, Jamie lost his mind and proclaimed that he had spent the last decade dedicated to him. His obsession with Richmond and winning the election allowed him to manipulate Richmond into leaving hospital so soon.

Jamie also has had a big problem Gwen. So what, right? Well actually, he sees her as a threat. Not necessarily to the campaign, but to Jamie's influence over Richmond. When there was a leak in the office regarding the campaign car and when Jamie went "undercover" to find them, he was insistent that it was Gwen and on more than one occasion tried to get him to fire her without evidence.

As for Jamie's temperament, didn't he attack Adams' personal aide in the locker room?

Now i had a feeling Terry may have known more, but i had no idea she done the deed. It made sense though. Think about it, she was DESPERATE to be with Ames, and Jamie said it better than anyone, if they done what needed to be done, Ames and Terry would be able to spend the rest of their lives together. Ames avoiding her like the plague makes a lot of sense now too, he was hesitant in the first place about killing someone and the decision was taken out of his hands by someone who he probably loved. That's enough to put a dampener on any relationship!

I can't see any real lingering threads that go left unanswered myself, but the only thing that sticks in my mind is Jamie's alibi. He had shown to me since his callousness in the beginning that he was a suspect, but i don't think a wafer thin alibi would hold up for that long. But then again, his grandfather only got involved when he got wind of Richmond talking about him on TV, so it made sense he only showed up later on.

I would like to see a third season, Linden and Holder are awesome. BUT they have to wrap up the next case in one season, not stretch it out over two. It's great that they were able to flesh out these stories and do more for the characters, but like Homeland, i think they were caught out with a renewal and it probably changed their course.

Final thought..............i hope Linden gets some proper sleep now.

[LOCK]

I thought the ending was fantastic.

Great way to end what could have been a solid 22 episodes traditional season.

[squidyj]

There was nothing good about that video at the end. Nothing.

[RatskyWatsky]

Hmm...

I liked it. I'll need to think about it a little more to see if it all makes sense, but I think it did. Jamie sort of turning into a "psycho" was a little odd (waving a gun and explaining his master plan, etc.) but eh: He was always acting sort of creepy about Richmond's campaign, and it always seemed like he would do anything to make Darren's dreams come true. I also thought that it was good that Terry/Ames were involved. Terry's motivations for pushing the car in the water (that scene was really fucked up btw) made complete sense and I'm glad that they went that route. Having three people involved in the murder was definitely one of the only logical ways it could have happened IMO. What would have been some of the other options? Her skeezy ex bf tried to kill her or she got involved in a gang or her pimp tried to kill her or something? Having her be in the wrong place at the wrong time was a pretty good route to take, I think.

It all seemed to come together nicely. I can't think of any inconsistencies at the moment, even thinking back to the first season. The aunt was always one of the more suspicious characters, and someone from the political side of things had to be involved because otherwise why even include that stuff in the first place? It was just a matter of who and Jamie was always a little more on the fervent side of things.

Was it predictable? Maybe. But I'd rather have logical and predictable than a shocking twist that makes no sense.

The ending was pretty good and I think I'd be happy if it didn't get a third season. They wrapped things up nicely and I like the notion that Linden and Holder will go on working as a team, solving whatever cases pop up.

Oh yeah, and the scene in Rosie's room where we (and the Larsens) learn about Terry's involvement was very well acted. I was impressed by everyone involved.

[Phoenix's Rage]

I missed most of the S2 episode after deciding to drop the series after about 4 episodes. Did they explain Rosie's connection to the casino/prostitution ring?

[RatskyWatsky]

Did they explain Rosie's connection to the casino/prostitution ring?

Yes. She worked at the casino and she wasn't a prostitute. (I forgot why she was involved with Beau Solei though)

[joesmokey]

The ending was pretty good and I think I'd be happy if it didn't get a third season. They wrapped things up nicely and I like the notion that Linden and Holder will go on working as a team, solving whatever cases pop up.

I thought it was clear that Linden was done and Holden was going on to solve the next case ("Hey give me a call sometime"). Maybe I misread that.

[RatskyWatsky]

I thought it was clear that Linden was done and Holden was going on to solve the next case ("Hey give me a call sometime"). Maybe I misread that.

Maybe that was the case after all. I may have been the one to misread it. It's also possible that they left it ambiguous.

[985boi]

I thought the finale was satisfying. Second season definitely an improvement over the first.

BTW, did anybody noticed how the music playing while Terry confesses sounds similar to this song?

[etiolate]

I liked the finale. Don't feel it was a surprise turn for Jamie's character. He was obsessed through the whole show. I liked the series as a whole as well. I thought the ending was fitting for Linden. Her total exhaustion after finally uncovering just about everything, but still feeling unfulfilled.

I find the evil as "not a person" angle interesting, especially with the way the Richmond plotline ends.

[Polari]

Not a bad season overall. I thought it was a pretty satisfying conclusion. If there's a Season 3 I'll give it a go, definitely - the leads are both fantastic.

[LM4sure]

What have the ratings looked like this season? I'm surprised it hasn't been picked up for a third season yet. I totally expected this season to end with a new murder. That would have kept me somewhat interested if there did happen to be a third season. But they wrapped the show up too neatly. Now I don't care anymore, and probably won't stick around for a third season.

[midonnay]

abit distracting in the end when you see a car signaling into the alleyway ..... then when the camera turns back....it disappears.

or is that season 3?

[Dany M]

Oh yeah, has it even been renewed?

[Saty]

Veena Sud sod off.

God-awful finale. As i said a week ago, people are going to rage if it's going to be a wrong place wrong time ordeal (apart from it being the worst kind of a motivation for a murder that starts an investigation that spreads over 2 seasons). Leave it to Sud to actually do it. Wow. Wrong place wrong time. GTFO. The endless list of red herrings, the so-called ensemble only for it to be completely arbitrary.

What's up with Jaime's key? He lost it but when they checked who issued a new key last ep, only Gwen was listed but they both lost a key.

I was bracing for a final twist because they finished the Jaime portion way early in the ep. And i was certain it involved Terry seeing the last eps that gave her screen time for no reason. What a terrible decision.

Are writers in love with that 'last-second' twists? Are they in love in having multiple culprits? Let me get it right, Jaime lunged at Rosie, knocked her out, stuffed her in the car trunk, chased her down again when she ran, beat her up again, stuffed her back in the trunk and now for some reason he's at a loss at what to do? Too squeamish all of a sudden? Terry needs to be their to use her criminal mastermind to drive the car to the lake? As if Jaime couldn't do that himself? What.is.this.BS.

This is a perfect example of trying to shoe-in another twist, to have an emotional impact of it being Rosie's family member who so-called delivered the final blow, and doing in such a terrible and convoluted way. Neither Jaime or Ames 'figure out' this solution but it was Aunt Terry who was around that gave no shit about drowning the girl in the lake.

A crap of a show that couldn't even save some face with the resolution of the case. The second season was bad just like the first one if not more and i don't see how it improved or focused on what it does best (which is what exactly?).

If anyone is curious whether to watch the show - don't.

[-Stranger-]

I thought the finale was pretty good, season 2 was very enjoyable for me.

[bill0527]

I thought the conclusion was fantastic. And for the so-called Jamie-turning-last-minute-psycho people, you couldn't be more wrong. Have you not been paying attention to this character? He had made it clear throughout the show that he was obsessed with winning the election, trying to circumvent Darren's authority on many occasions to do so. He was never stable and he done all he could to distance himself and the campaign from Rosie.

To me the character was willing to break all kinds of moral and ethical boundaries to get what he wanted, but not to the point of committing serious crimes.

The Scooby-Doo ending where he pulls off a mask, waves a gun around and reveals his master plan while acting out of his mind, was a complete 180 from the smart scheming conniver that we had to come to know at that point.

[-Pyromaniac-]

Veena Sud sod off. God-awful finale. As i said a week ago, people are going to rage if it's going to be a wrong place wrong time ordeal (apart from it being the worst kind of a motivation for a murder that starts an investigation that spreads over 2 seasons). Leave it to Sud to actually do it. Wow. Wrong place wrong time. GTFO. The endless list of red herrings, the so-called ensemble only for it to be completely arbitrary. What's up with Jaime's key? He lost it but when they checked who issued a new key last ep, only Gwen was listed but they both lost a key. I was bracing for a final twist because they finished the Jaime portion way early in the ep. And i was certain it involved Terry seeing the last eps that gave her screen time for no reason. What a terrible decision. Are writers in love with that 'last-second' twists? Are they in love in having multiple culprits? Let me get it right, Jaime lunged at Rosie, knocked her out, stuffed her in the car trunk, chased her down again when she ran, beat her up again, stuffed her back in the trunk and now for some reason he's at a loss at what to do? Too squeamish all of a sudden? Terry needs to be their to use her criminal mastermind to drive the car to the lake? As if Jaime couldn't do that himself? What.is.this.BS. This is a perfect example of trying to shoe-in another twist, to have an emotional impact of it being Rosie's family member who so-called delivered the final blow, and doing in such a terrible and convoluted way. Neither Jaime or Ames 'figure out' this solution but it was Aunt Terry who was around that gave no shit about drowning the girl in the lake. A crap of a show that couldn't even save some face with the resolution of the case. The second season was bad just like the first one if not more and i don't see how it improved or focused on what it does best (which is what exactly?). If anyone is curious whether to watch the show - don't.

you didn't understand a lot of the show, clearly.

Gwen lost her key because Jaimie took it and used hers I believe. Like someone mentioned a page ago, he has been trying to get rid of her for a long time.

Jaimie hurt Rosie, but then she got away, no she didn't get out of the trunk, she ran away into the woods before he could put her there, and then he hit her again and put her in the trunk, called up Ames who was with Terry at the time (as she works in the hooker service thing).

And jaimie calling someone else up to do something is not sudden at all. I've said it multiple times if you read back, it's not a surprise. Jaimie is a pussy with a bad temper, he's a snake. Of course he doesn't have the balls to actually murder someone. Especially considering his whole motive is to help Richmond which you can't do if you're in prison for murder. So he calls up Ames and tells him to do it, ames says FUCK that, he isn't gonna become a murderer and have to leave his wife and all that, so he doesn't do it. Terry is upset. Her profile is already well established, she's beyond desperate, she overhears them, she gets into the car and makes it go into the lake. She isn't a criminal mastermind. She had no idea Rosie was in there. She is just a desperate person trying to make one last play at getting with Ames. So far nothing unbelievable at all.

Jaimie and Ames DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE MURDER. I like how you imply they couldn't figure out how to do it, lol. They were arguing who should deal with the girl, not what they should do with her.

No offense but it seems you misinterpreted a lot of things throughout the show and the finale. The only thing I can agree with is that Jaimie unravelled pretty quickly. Questionable pacing on that front, but not game changingly bad.

[ChimpanzeeThat]

To me the character was willing to break all kinds of moral and ethical boundaries to get what he wanted, but not to the point of committing serious crimes. The Scooby-Doo ending where he pulls off a mask, waves a gun around and reveals his master plan while acting out of his mind, was a complete 180 from the smart scheming conniver that we had to come to know at that point.

You said it yourself though, he was willing to do it all but not commit a serious crime, that's why he didn't kill Rosie in the end and called Ames. He has shown what he's capable of throughout the show but perhaps a part of him knew he couldn't kill her. That's not so out there.

It was clear throughout that his obsession with both Richmond and the campaign was quite serious and when he broke down to Richmond it was obvious because he was at that stage just distressed by what was happening there and then and that it was catching up with him. His co-conspirator Ames had been arrested and he feared the net was closing in on him. News of the keycard, HIS keycard, being in police hands pushed it more and more, and the breaking point came when his grandfather contacted Richmond.

His master plan referred only to Richmond, what happened with Rosie only came out because he was so exasperated by Richmond's failure to understand what it was he had done and then his total disgust at Jamie for what he had done behind his back.

[Saty]

you didn't understand a lot of the show, clearly. Gwen lost her key because Jaimie took it and used hers I believe. Like someone mentioned a page ago, he has been trying to get rid of her for a long time. Jaimie hurt Rosie, but then she got away, no she didn't get out of the trunk, she ran away into the woods before he could put her there, and then he hit her again and put her in the trunk, called up Ames who was with Terry at the time (as she works in the hooker service thing). And jaimie calling someone else up to do something is not sudden at all. I've said it multiple times if you read back, it's not a surprise. Jaimie is a pussy with a bad temper, he's a snake. Of course he doesn't have the balls to actually murder someone. Especially considering his whole motive is to help Richmond which you can't do if you're in prison for murder. So he calls up Ames and tells him to do it, ames says FUCK that, he isn't gonna become a murderer and have to leave his wife and all that, so he doesn't do it. Terry is upset. Her profile is already well established, she's beyond desperate, she overhears them, she gets into the car and makes it go into the lake. She isn't a criminal mastermind. She had no idea Rosie was in there. She is just a desperate person trying to make one last play at getting with Ames. So far nothing unbelievable at all. Jaimie and Ames DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE MURDER. I like how you imply they couldn't figure out how to do it, lol. They were arguing who should deal with the girl, not what they should do with her. No offense but it seems you misinterpreted a lot of things throughout the show and the finale. The only thing I can agree with is that Jaimie unravelled pretty quickly. Questionable pacing on that front, but not game changingly bad.

Umm..no.

First of all, the key thing. i don't recall it was Gwen's key they found in the Casino. The key was of someone in the Richmond campaign. The cops asked the key guy if anyone has asked for a replacement card and it was Gwen. So she lost her key. The police report also mentioned Jaime asking to be let in to the Gym in the building cause he lost his key. They both lost their key as i understood it. If Jaime had Gwen's key when he went to the Casino and he lost it there so he should have had his own key still to use it to get into the gym, but the didn't.

'Jaimie hurt Rosie, but then she got away' - Yes, she got away after he put her in the car. He says Rosie 'got out of the car...and ran into the woods'.
Maybe she wasn't in the trunk but the point stands. For a guy who wasn't going to commit murder he sure acted like it. He immediately lunged at Rosie when he first detected her he was planning to shush her up and all his word-choice when talking to Richmond and to Ames in the flashback were screaming of someone who justifies the killing. He knocks her down once, chases her to knock her out for a second time and he can't pull the handbrake himself? And it's not like he was considering any other option than killing Rosie.

"She heard everything. You know we can't let her go". Do you see any other suggestion that Rosie to be killed? I don't buy it than after his chasing and pounding of Rosie he can't bring himself to let the car slide into the lake.

Ofc Terry isn't a 'criminal mastermind'. I was being cynical. Jaime can't do after what he already done but Terry can? It was the best way to get rid off Rosie and with the least 'hands-on' death.
That's why this whole twist is terrible. They tried to tie-up the murder to the whole election thing as if to justify why the spent time on that and then they try to go for that shock-value of it being a family member doing Rosie for good. Although Jaime had all the reason to (and ability) push that car into the lake, no! It will be her aunt Terry who is there by chance and who is also a pathetic character that evidently will end someone's life just so she can land a husband. Abysmal.

Putting the twist before credibility and before proper character building and writing.

It should have been a sole killer and it should have been for a deep motivation. Not wrong place wrong time bullshit. Not 'splitting' the blame so they can have an eleventh-hour twist after we already thought Jaime was behind it all so they have a family member kill her because the guy who initiated this whole thing couldn't end it.

A couple of red herrings and theories suggested before would have made for a far better ending and resolution. Stan killing Rosie because he learned she isn't his daughter but the best solution would have been Alexi which friends Rosie only to kill her to avenge her father's murder of his father when he was a child. I mentioned it before that this would have been the most satisfying option.

[adamsappel]

I thought the series wrapped up well. I hope it doesn't get renewed, as it would be pretty contrived to get Linden and Holder back together. The Terry twist was fine, although it seems to contradict a very early subplot that never went anywhere (so what's new?). In the pilot, when Stan goes to Rosie's creepy boyfriend's house, the girl that's in his bed is Terry (I can't check this as the first season is gone from On Demand, but my sister and I both noticed this). So, after Terry kills a girl in the trunk of a car to save her relationship with her married boyfriend, she presumably goes back to his house and fucks his son?

[ScrabbleDude]

Umm..no. First of all, the key thing. i don't recall it was Gwen's key they found in the Casino. The key was of someone in the Richmond campaign. The cops asked the key guy if anyone has asked for a replacement card and it was Gwen. So she lost her key. The police report also mentioned Jaime asking to be let in to the Gym in the building cause he lost his key. They both lost their key as i understood it. If Jaime had Gwen's key when he went to the Casino and he lost it there so he should have had his own key still to use it to get into the gym, but the didn't.

Actually, the key guy had no record of Jamie losing his key, only Gwen. Jamie probably forgot his key card when he went to the gym -- I know sometimes I forget my work keycard. This would likely especially be the case if he was distraught when he got there because of the murder.

'Jaimie hurt Rosie, but then she got away' - Yes, she got away after he put her in the car. He says Rosie 'got out of the car...and ran into the woods'. Maybe she wasn't in the trunk but the point stands. For a guy who wasn't going to commit murder he sure acted like it. He immediately lunged at Rosie when he first detected her he was planning to shush her up and all his word-choice when talking to Richmond and to Ames in the flashback were screaming of someone who justifies the killing. He knocks her down once, chases her to knock her out for a second time and he can't pull the handbrake himself? And it's not like he was considering any other option than killing Rosie.

I think he knew she had to die, he just couldn't do it.

"She heard everything. You know we can't let her go". Do you see any other suggestion that Rosie to be killed? I don't buy it than after his chasing and pounding of Rosie he can't bring himself to let the car slide into the lake.

Again, he knows she has to die, but he can't bring himself to do. I think he knows pushing the car into the lake is a terrible idea since it would lead back to Richmond.

Ofc Terry isn't a 'criminal mastermind'. I was being cynical. Jaime can't do after what he already done but Terry can? It was the best way to get rid off Rosie and with the least 'hands-on' death.

Terry is desperate out of love. She has not seen the girl in the trunk. To her, there may not even be anyone in the trunk. It's like Shroedinger's cat. Jamie on the other hand had seen her.

That's why this whole twist is terrible. They tried to tie-up the murder to the whole election thing as if to justify why the spent time on that and then they try to go for that shock-value of it being a family member doing Rosie for good. Although Jaime had all the reason to (and ability) push that car into the lake, no! It will be her aunt Terry who is there by chance and who is also a pathetic character that evidently will end someone's life just so she can land a husband. Abysmal.

There was a ton of evidence pointing to Terry. I've known it was Terry pretty much all season. They didn't really hide it.



I really liked the ending. I didn't when it was just Jamie because it didn't make sense. Once they showed how Terry was involved I felt a lot better about it.

I didn't like at the end, Chief Johnson said Richmond got her off the charges. Ames was there too. It implies that this guy who ran a pretty clean and moral campaign has changed who he is as soon as he became mayor.

[ScrabbleDude]

I thought the series wrapped up well. I hope it doesn't get renewed, as it would be pretty contrived to get Linden and Holder back together. The Terry twist was fine, although it seems to contradict a very early subplot that never went anywhere (so what's new?). In the pilot, when Stan goes to Rosie's creepy boyfriend's house, the girl that's in his bed is Terry (I can't check this as the first season is gone from On Demand, but my sister and I both noticed this). So, after Terry kills a girl in the trunk of a car to save her relationship with her married boyfriend, she presumably goes back to his house and fucks his son?

That's not Terry. It's just a woman with dark hair.

[adamsappel]

That's not Terry. It's just a woman with dark hair.

Are you sure? Because at the time I was positive it was supposed to be her. Can anyone provide a screencap?

[TripOpt55]

I thought the finale was pretty good. I like how it all wrapped up. Too bad the show was so shitty at times in the middle. I liked the end of season 2 and the beginning of season 1 a lot, but the the middle could be brutal at times. Might have been better if it was a bit more concise in the middle. Cut out some of that and it might have played better.

[Saty]

Actually, the key guy had no record of Jamie losing his key, only Gwen. Jamie probably forgot his key card when he went to the gym -- I know sometimes I forget my work keycard. This would likely especially be the case if he was distraught when he got there because of the murder.

It's silly the show brings up the point that both had their key missing and not resolve it. The point was having one key turn up at the crime scene -> whoever asked for a replacement key is a suspect. Meh, nothing important but still odd Jaime forgets two keys if he indeed lost Gwen's at the casino.

I think he knew she had to die, he just couldn't do it. Again, he knows she has to die, but he can't bring himself to do. I think he knows pushing the car into the lake is a terrible idea since it would lead back to Richmond.

Well, the car didn't play a part in how Jaime was found guilty. If he was unable to kill violently then sending the car into the lake would have been his best of choice. I just didn't like him not being able to go through it because he seemed up to it. I think it's just a cop-out to allow that stupid Terry twist. If they had written it as one sole culprit then they would have easily portrayed him as being able to kill Rosie. But they had to do that twist didnt they.

Terry is desperate out of love. She has not seen the girl in the trunk. To her, there may not even be anyone in the trunk. It's like Shroedinger's cat. Jamie on the other hand had seen her.

Rosie was screaming when they car was sliding back and hitting the water..

There was a ton of evidence pointing to Terry. I've known it was Terry pretty much all season. They didn't really hide it.

I'm not saying there wasn't evidence for it being Terry. I came to believe she is indeed involved but i just didn't like that direction because i see it as them trying to shoe-horn a twist of a family member being responsible at the last minute, and because it's just a pathetic piece of rationalization for the character. And it's again displaying the horrible writing for female characters in this show (Mitch). Terry defined solely be her no-barred desperation for having Aimes that she goes to the extent of killing somebody in order to get herself a man. And she conforms herself by the fact she didn't know who was that girl. You would think that after knowing it's Rosie then she would break down\confess\point to Jaime but she didn't. Moreover, and i know she ofc felt guilty, she didn't use the incident to force Aimes to be with her. So the whole thing becomes meaningless and just a twist for a twist's sake and for it being a family member.

I really liked the ending. I didn't when it was just Jamie because it didn't make sense. Once they showed how Terry was involved I felt a lot better about it.

How come Jaime being the doer doesn't make sense and it being Terry makes more sense? What sense is there? Of being so relationship-starved that she would kill someone when she accidentally find herself in a position to?

There is no sense in the entire show. The most sensible,satisfying and actually worthy conclusion would have been Alexi being the guy. The story sits perfectly but they used that as red herring instead of the real deal and opted with randomness which only serves as the writer's 'justification' of having the election story-arc and then they peppered that with a last-minute twist that would tie-in the aunt.

[Balphon]

It's silly the show brings up the point that both had their key missing and not resolve it. The point was having one key turn up at the crime scene -> whoever asked for a replacement key is a suspect. Meh, nothing important but still odd Jaime forgets two keys if he indeed lost Gwen's at the casino.

I thought it was rather clear that Jamie lost his at the casino, realized he lost it when he didn't have it at the gym a few hours later, and then stole Gwen's and deleted the records to deflect suspicion from himself.

[Saty]

Deleted which records? of him requesting a new card? or he just used the Gwen's stolen card from then on? Minor point anyhow.

[Sanjay]

Why were the charges against Casino Queen & Ames dropped? that confused the hell out of me.

Overall this show was contrived shit in the end.

[ScrabbleDude]

There is no sense in the entire show. The most sensible,satisfying and actually worthy conclusion would have been Alexi being the guy. The story sits perfectly but they used that as red herring instead of the real deal and opted with randomness which only serves as the writer's 'justification' of having the election story-arc and then they peppered that with a last-minute twist that would tie-in the aunt.

I think Forbrydelsen was the superior show. They did not tie the election campaign in with the reveal of the killer. And I thought the ending was more satisfying, but I still think they did a good job here.

It seems a lot of people think the show was terrible if their most likely suspect didn't do it. I know I wouldn't have liked it if it wasn't Terry. :P

[ScrabbleDude]

Why were the charges against Casino Queen & Ames dropped? that confused the hell out of me. Overall this show was contrived shit in the end.

They implied that Richmond had them dropped.....which makes absolutely no sense with the rest of his character.

[Sanjay]

They implied that Richmond had them dropped.....which makes absolutely no sense with the rest of his character.

Not only does it make no sense with his character, but also reality and the law system.

Jamie must be so pissed off right now, if he only knew now that all it would have taken was Richmond telling mans to drop charges and shit it would have actually happened.

[RatskyWatsky]

What have the ratings looked like this season?

Here are the ratings for the entire series so far. The ratings for the finale should be released tomorrow. (possibly with a cancellation/renewal)

[rogue_pigeon]

The Killing could have been an amazing 13 episode season. Stretching it to 26 episodes just didn't work as well.

They did a much better job of it than the Danish did (and they 'only' had 20 episodes).

[Balphon]

They implied that Richmond had them dropped.....which makes absolutely no sense with the rest of his character.

I believe the point was that he'd decided to change his ways after seeing the results of his previous refusal to compromise his integrity.

[adamsappel]

Or, power corrupts.

Or, he was a poorly-realized character whom the writers shaped to fit their needs at the time.

That's not Terry. It's just a woman with dark hair.

You are correct, she is played by a different actress.

[-Stranger-]

Only thing that bothered me in the finale, How did Jamie manage to get Rosie out of the Casino and into the car? He doesn't seem strong enough to carry her and surely it would've look suspicious carrying a bleeding girl through a busy Casino.

I might be overthinking it =P

[mr stroke]

Really enjoyed the finale. Didn't think it was gonna pay off but it did. The twist worked and the last 10 mins were gut wrenching.

I hope it gets renewed for a third season but only if each case gets solved with in one season. Way too much filler, the Teacher, the gangster boss, the Muslim Masque, etc.. This entire plot would have worked much better over 10-11 episodes or even as a movie.

[terrdactycalsrock]

So who killed Rosie and why?

[RatskyWatsky]

So who killed Rosie and why?

Several people were involved. You can read the finale recap here.

[Saty]

I think Forbrydelsen was the superior show. They did not tie the election campaign in with the reveal of the killer. And I thought the ending was more satisfying, but I still think they did a good job here. It seems a lot of people think the show was terrible if their most likely suspect didn't do it. I know I wouldn't have liked it if it wasn't Terry. :P

It wouldn't have changed my impression of the show but at least it would have ended with the murder having a solid and worthwhile motive.

The Killing was a poorly executed show from A to Z.

I think i would have preferred the concept being done differently with having two time-lines: one of the investigation and one for X days BEFORE the murder. The show is already structured with one ep = one day so each ep will cover one day in those timelines. The 'past' timeline counts backwards to the day of the murder so at the end you get intersection when the investigation is resolved and the day of the murder playing out.

[bill0527]

My take on Richmond and getting the Chief's charges dropped is that Jamie's final speech to Richmond got to him. Jamie told him something along the lines of how he was just as corrupt as the rest of them but he hides behind this facade of integrity and it doesn't allow him to build the relationships necessary to get the job done. That's why he needed Jamie because Jamie was willing to do the dirty work that Richmond couldn't or wouldn't do.

I think Richmond's final scenes reflected this at his meeting with the city council. Before he wheels himself into the room there's a 2-3 second look on his face where he kind of turns to steel, and then he shuts Gwen out of the room and leaves her standing there with this incredulous look on her face.

Richmond spent the entire night in his office thinking about what Jamie said to him ( and btw, shouldnt that office been closed off as a crime scene?) and my take away was that Richmond came to the conclusion that Jamie was right about him. He must have decided that Chief Jackson would be a powerful ally so his first order of business was to get her charges dropped. Politicians need allies and Richmond didn't have a single one.

To me, Richmond's ending, for some reason, seemed much more plausible than Jamie's.

[Saty]

I didn't mention it but there's also the ridiculous thing of both culprits being revealed only by their own confession. There was ZERO police evidence that could have implicated Jaime and Terry.
Thanks for breaking down and turning yourself in 'cause we wouldn't have found otherwise!