[Train of Midnight]

I can't believe we're even having this discussion.

[Kung Fu Jedi]

If you're just going on their resumes, Riggs wins this going away. It isn't even close. McClane is a tough as nails cop for sure, but Riggs has been through the shit and back again while with Phoenix Company.

I love both movie series, but the last Die Hard took away the elements that made McClane fun, namely a "normal" guy who finds himself in extraordinary circumstances and his resourceful enough to find a way to get by. They turned him into a cartoon character that was just way over the top.

Make no mistake, McClane is a bad ass. But Riggs is far beyond that with his weapons and hand-to-hand training.

[Riggs]

I can't believe we're even having this discussion.

NeoGAF bro!

[Arcteryx]

McClane. Honestly, no clue who 'Riggs' is.

[Derrick01]

McClane. Honestly, no clue who 'Riggs' is.

How is this possible?

[demon]

Honestly, no clue who 'Riggs' is.

You're too young for this shit.

[Arcteryx]

You're too young for this shit.

lol, not at all. I've just never seen the Lethal Weapon series(assuming that's where Riggs is from).

[shadyspace]

Can't they be bros? Why can't they be bros?

[Riggs]

McClane. Honestly, no clue who 'Riggs' is.

:(

[Arcteryx]

:(

hahah :(

Judging from the responses so far I guess I'm missing out, so I'll rent them this weekend.

[Maddocks]

best mel quote is always going to be

"you look like a fucking pig in heat"

[Riggs]

hahah :( Judging from the responses so far I guess I'm missing out, so I'll rent them this weekend.

Nice, they are pretty enjoyable lol.

best mel quote is always going to be "you look like a fucking pig in heat"

Hahah off topic. He never got his bj in the hot tub either. Think she fell asleep, then he went mental.

[PhoncipleBone]

McClane is a much more relatable character and fun, but if we were looking at the badassness, it would have to be Riggs.

Let's put it this way: if it were Martin Riggs stuck up in Nakatomi Tower instead of McClane, the terrorists would probably all be dead before Powell had bought his Twinkies. Sure, some hostages may have gotten hurt in the process, but Riggs would have just been sneaking around and snapping necks like no tomorrow.

hahah :( Judging from the responses so far I guess I'm missing out, so I'll rent them this weekend.

The first (and best) Lethal Weapon is on Netflix Instant.

[Lonestar]

He was almost killed by a computer nerd in that movie.

You mean Raylan Givens?

Solid Adversary.

[Schweini]

I'd have to choose McClane because I've seen all Die Hard movies and none of the Lethal Weapon's. :(

But I'll fix that soon.

[Sunflower]

They both excel in different areas. McClane is an expert in improvising and dealing with the hand he's dealt. Riggs is a loose cannon and a nutjob (circa Lethal Weapon 1) and could easily have a breakdown at any time. McClane in general I give the nod to, but Riggs is a beast under the right circumstances. McClane's the sure thing.

[PhoncipleBone]

The number of people in here that have not seen Lethal Weapon surprise me.

Everyone should get on it, ASAP!

Shit, I think I might just sit down and have myself a Martin Riggs day.

[El Sloth]

Murtaugh has Rigg's back.

In the last minute after McClane and Riggs are going even Murtaugh pops McClane in the back.

Riggs.

[Musha_Soturi]

I like Riggs but McClane is just way more cool.

[DMczaf]

Riggs would have never allowed his son to be billed as a "bigger badass than his dad"

Riggs wins.

[TheOMan]

This...this is a tough question.

I like McClane more...but, Riggs is crazy. Can I get some context on why they are fighting?

[PhoncipleBone]

Not only does Riggs have Murtaugh covering his back, he also has Lorna Cole now. And she can kick just as much ass as Riggs.

McClane had Justin Long as his last sidekick. Riggs wins.

This...this is a tough question. I like McClane more...but, Riggs is crazy. Can I get some context on why they are fighting?

Riggs thinks that McClane killed his wife.

[Megadragon15]

Riggs would never let Maggie Q kick his behind while McClane would be beaten just as badly or worse if he fought Jet Li. Riggs wins.

[Derrick01]

You mean Raylan Givens? Solid Adversary.

Timothy Olyphant, the fakest tough guy in movies/TV.

[PhoncipleBone]

Timothy Olyphant, the fakest tough guy in movies/TV.

Thank god someone else agrees. He was horrible in Live Free or Die Hard. You don't send a boy to take on Bruce Willis. NEVER!

[Curtisaur]

Die Hard With A Vengeance is better than any Lethal Weapon movie ever.

[PhoncipleBone]

Die Hard With A Vengeance is better than any Lethal Weapon movie ever.

[shira]

I think we have to eliminate the 4quels.
When characters are too old for this shit they ain't the same anymore

[Emwitus]

[shintoki]

10x over.

I prefer Die Hard, but Lethal Weapons 1 and 2 right below it.

[Cat Party]

Who cares about who would win in a fight? I would want McLane coming to save me over Riggs.

[PhoncipleBone]

I think we have to eliminate the 4quels. When characters are too old for this shit they ain't the same anymore

The problems with the 4th films were not the characters' ages.

The problem with Lethal Weapon 4 was that there was no script. They just threw it together as they made it, and it showed. It was just a complete mess.

The problem with Die Hard 4 was that it turned McClane into just another generic action film hero, and it was completely ludicrous for a Die Hard film. It was Die Hard in name only.

[Derrick01]

Thank god someone else agrees. He was horrible in Live Free or Die Hard. You don't send a boy to take on Bruce Willis. NEVER!

In everything I've seen him in he's usually trying to be a badass (hitman, the girl next door, justified) and I can just tell by watching him he's not. He doesn't look or act the part well.

So him coming seconds away from killing McClane was just a sad joke and a metaphor for how much that movie ruined the series and his character.

[Dorrin]

Problem trying to compare is you have the 'Willis' factor. The 'Willis' factor being that any character played by Willis grows exponentially stronger the more he is hurt. Broken glass, car accident/ball gag near rape etc. The more you hurt Willis the deadlier his character becomes.. so I'd go with Riggs if its a quick fight only.

[DMczaf]

Die Hard With A Vengeance is better than any Lethal Weapon movie ever.

The funny thing was that the Die Hard With A Vengeance spec script was meant to be Lethal Weapon 4 at one time.

[PoweredBySoy]

This is the stupidest fucking thread I think I've ever seen on GAF. Grow up.

McClane. Easily.

[Cat Party]

We also need to answer the related question of Murtah vs. the dad from Family Matters.

[PhoncipleBone]

Problem trying to compare is you have the 'Willis' factor. The 'Willis' factor being that any character played by Willis grows exponentially stronger the more he is hurt. Broken glass, car accident/ball gag near rape etc. The more you hurt Willis the deadlier his character becomes.. so I'd go with Riggs if its a quick fight only.

I would say that the longer the fight goes on, the more unhinged Riggs becomes. I would be more afraid of an unhinged Riggs than I would an injured McClane.

Riggs was tied up, tortured, and electrocuted. Yet he managed to kill his torturer, kill a bunch of other bad guys, and try and chase down a car while barefoot after that. And Riggs is not above driving a car through the front of his partner's house just to get to the bad guy.

But whatever poor bad guy is on the receiving end of that fight I feel very sorry for.

The funny thing was that the Die Hard With A Vengeance spec script was meant to be Lethal Weapon 4 at one time.

Funny. It would have worked a lot better as a Lethal Weapon movie. But it would not work so well out in LA where Lethal Weapon always took place.

[itwasTuesday]

Assuming Die Hard 1 McClane vs Lethal Weapon 1 Riggs.
If they were matched in a octagon mma style, Riggs.
If they were ANYWHERE else, McClane.

DH1 Al vs LW4 Murtaugh w/ argyle ref.
That's my PPV.

Or maybe Winslow family vs Murtaugh family.

[shira]

The problems with the 4th films were not the characters' ages. The problem with Lethal Weapon 4 was that there was no script. They just threw it together as they made it, and it showed. It was just a complete mess. The problem with Die Hard 4 was that it turned McClane into just another generic action film hero, and it was completely ludicrous for a Die Hard film. It was Die Hard in name only.

Well when there are lines of dialogue that are "I'm too old for this shit", doesn't help their case.

[TheNatural]

McClane, because Riggs didn't stay his character very long. The original Lethal Weapon had crazy suicidal Riggs and then after the series had character creep with Pesci, Russo, etc and Riggs just got more goofy. I think the John McClane character stays pretty consistent through all the sequels.

[Emwitus]

[Vulcano's assistant]

Riggs wins because Danny Glover saves him at the last minute. This is actually two vs one.

[Discotheque]

I will say that Die Hard has had better villains (in 1 and 3 obviously). But for me:

Die Hard >= Lethal Weapon > Lethal Weapon 2 > Die Hard 3 > Lethal Weapon 4 > Lethal Weapon 3

lolDieHard4

Riggs > McClane all day every day. One on one it would be no contest too. Lethal Weapon 4 had a lovely ending, and there are some definite bright spots like anything involving Leo with the gang and Chris Rock. Or the fight with Jet Li.

Or what about that dentist scene with Uncle Benny? haha

Riggs hair disqualifies him from everything except best bad hair category.

Pfft. One of the best mane's in Hollywood aside from Tom Cruise's in MI2.

[Escape Goat]

Riggs hair disqualifies him from everything except best bad hair category.

[PhoncipleBone]

Funny. Fox was trying a few years ago to make a new Die Hard film called "Die Hard 24/7."
It was to feature John McClane and Jack Bauer working together. Villains everywhere would shit their pants.

[Ourobolus]

We also need to answer the related question of Murtah vs. the dad from Family Matters.

Murtaugh has a tell whenever he actually tries to aim his gun. Supposing Carl Winslow isn't dumb enough to not notice, Murtaugh is toast.

They've both killed the same number of children though...so maybe it's a toss-up.

[demon]

New side topic: Riggs' 80s hair or McClane's receded hairline? both eliminated in the 4quels. Which would win in a fight? Gotta go with McClane's gentlemanly receded hairline over Riggs' nancyboy mane.

[WanderingWind]

Well, Riggs from Lethal Weapon 1&2 would win. The goofy clown Riggs from 3&4 would get his ass kicked by McClane from any of his movies.

[TheNatural]

I will say that Die Hard has had better villains (in 1 and 3 obviously). But for me: Die Hard >= Lethal Weapon > Lethal Weapon 2 > Die Hard 3 > Lethal Weapon 4 > Lethal Weapon 3 lolDieHard4 Riggs > McClane all day every day. One on one it would be no contest too. Lethal Weapon 4 had a lovely ending, and there are some definite bright spots like anything involving Leo with the gang and Chris Rock. Or the fight with Jet Li. Or what about that dentist scene with Uncle Benny? haha Pfft. One of the best mane's in Hollywood aside from Tom Cruise's in MI2.

Die Hard 4 gets too much hate. I agree the 'internets' plot is too much for some to handle and some of the action scenes like the fighter jet shit were way too over the top, but it at least had good plot progression to get McClane to the end game. I though Die Hard 3's ending really fizzled out.

And Lethal Weapon 4 was just goofy. Virtually no plot, half the movie Riggs just being goofy and trying to play off Chris Rock's character as being gay to fuck with Murtaugh, and the movie (and series) end with a an odd 'family' photo in a hospital. Just goofy and completely opposite of the first.