[VsRobot]

Stannis has three leeches full of his blood. He throws them one by one into the fire, while uttering a name with each throw. Joffrey Baratheon. Rob Stark. Balon Greyjoy.

Correlation is not causation. I'm inclined to believe Mel saw their deaths in the flames, and used that knowledge to make herself seem more powerful, not that she had any impact on their deaths.

[John Dunbar]

I think the whole leech thing was just a trick by Mel. There were 3 "pretenders" left, and she saw in her fires they were all about to die, so she made Stannis burn the leeches, making him think that had something to do with it.

edit: Beaten by Team Daario

[Blizzard]

I seem to recall the Iron Bank guy being awesome. I wish there were more awesome/smart people.

The Red Wedding was kind of sad, but I don't really understand who would like Robb or Catelyn. I hardly remember anything about Robb except for him being off somewhere fighting battles most of the time, and Catelyn was stupid/annoying (and then stupid/evil as Zombie Catelyn).

My main concern about the Red Wedding was that Arya was going to die too, but that didn't happen.

[Tacitus_]

Correlation is not causation. I'm inclined to believe Mel saw their deaths in the flames, and used that knowledge to make herself seem more powerful, not that she had any impact on their deaths.

Could be. Davos certainly believes she had nothing to do with their deaths.

[Mordeccai]

Correlation is not causation. I'm inclined to believe Mel saw their deaths in the flames, and used that knowledge to make herself seem more powerful, not that she had any impact on their deaths.

This is a good point too, especially when you consider Mel's 'glamors' and such. Illusion of power and what not.

I hope we get to see whether or not she actually has some form of magic, or if shes just really really good at trickery and images in TWOW.

[Freshmaker]

Correlation is not causation. I'm inclined to believe Mel saw their deaths in the flames, and used that knowledge to make herself seem more powerful, not that she had any impact on their deaths.

I got the impression that she just hired the faceless assassin to make her predictions come true.

[ultron87]

I got the impression that she just hired the faceless assassin to make her predictions come true.

I think the general theory is that the Faceless Man that killed Balon was hired by Euron.

From the vision told by the dwarf seer in SoS:

"a man without a face, waiting on a swaying bridge, on his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from its wings"

[PoweredBySoy]

Please nerds, don't castrate me for being a poser and asking a question about the television series, but my wife and I are confused.

I thought Wildlings were those semi-demonic, blue-eyed night walkers that ate the heads off babies. But now, episode 6+ in season 2, Wildlings are hot chicks dressed in rabbit furs that like to spoon.

Could somebody explain this in a mostly non-spoilerish fashion? We're only on episode 7 now, so if we're just not supposed to know yet, then tell me to keep watching. But the series seemed to be pulling a switcharoo on is - and even more confusing is that the characters are going along with it. Like Snow, he saw an evil Wildling thing, so he should know what they are, but now he's calling this chick a Wildling too.

Thanks.

[ultron87]

Wildlings are normal people that live beyond the Wall. The Others are the supernatural creatures seen in the prologue.

Now run from this thread and never look back! Horrible spoilers of incredible events yet to come are contained herein!

[Lirlond]

Please nerds, don't castrate me for being a poser and asking a question about the television series, but my wife and I are confused. I thought Wildlings were those semi-demonic, blue-eyed night walkers that ate the heads off babies. But now, episode 6+ in season 2, Wildlings are hot chicks dressed in rabbit furs that like to spoon. Could somebody explain this in a mostly non-spoilerish fashion? We're only on episode 7 now, so if we're just not supposed to know yet, then tell me to keep watching. But the series seemed to be pulling a switcharoo on is - and even more confusing is that the characters are going along with it. Like Snow, he saw an evil Wildling thing, so he should know what they are, but now he's calling this chick a Wildling too. Thanks.

Wildling are normal dudes who live beyond the wall, also known as the Free Folk.

Wights are zombies.

Others are Ice demons.

[PoweredBySoy]

Wildlings are normal people that live beyond the Wall. The Others are the supernatural creatures seen in the prologue. Now run from this thread and never look back! Horrible spoilers of incredible events yet to come are contained herein!

Okay!! THANK YOU, SIRS!!

[Frost_Ace]

Please nerds, don't castrate me for being a poser and asking a question about the television series, but my wife and I are confused. I thought Wildlings were those semi-demonic, blue-eyed night walkers that ate the heads off babies. But now, episode 6+ in season 2, Wildlings are hot chicks dressed in rabbit furs that like to spoon. Could somebody explain this in a mostly non-spoilerish fashion? We're only on episode 7 now, so if we're just not supposed to know yet, then tell me to keep watching. But the series seemed to be pulling a switcharoo on is - and even more confusing is that the characters are going along with it. Like Snow, he saw an evil Wildling thing, so he should know what they are, but now he's calling this chick a Wildling too. Thanks.

Wildlings are the men that live beyond the wall.

The white walkers are the blue-eyed entities.

[NoTacos]

just finished season 2 a couple days ago. That White Walker at the end >>>>

btw, how closely does the tv series follow the books. i may start reading.

[Tacitus_]

I like how the Red Wedding and Melisandres magic was discussed just a couple of posts before and then someone bursts in, claims to have only watched the TV series and asking for clarification on it.
Talk about dodging a minefield.

just finished season 2 a couple days ago. That White Walker at the end >>>> btw, how closely does the tv series follow the books. i may start reading.

Heh. Just as I posted too. Seriously, this is the unmarked spoiler thread for the whole series. As for your question, S1 was almost 1:1 with the book, but S2 wasn't. The broad strokes are there, but some storylines were changed a lot.

[BenjaminBirdie]

just finished season 2 a couple days ago. That White Walker at the end >>>> btw, how closely does the tv series follow the books. i may start reading.

um dude you are so in the wrong thread

[Mordeccai]

I like how the Red Wedding and Melisandres magic was discussed just a couple of posts before and then someone bursts in, claims to have only watched the TV series and asking for clarification on it. Talk about dodging a minefield.

Murphy's law or some such.

Dude dodged a bullet, hope he didn't scroll up or back a page.

[Fiftyeight]

just finished season 2 a couple days ago. That White Walker at the end >>>> btw, how closely does the tv series follow the books. i may start reading.

Season 1 follows along almost too well. You're simply missing each character's inner monologues that add a ton of depth to each scene.

Season 2 strays a bit. It's not so much different as it is extremely condensed. Minor characters are either scrapped or merged into one singular character; others end up in locations where they weren't in the books simply to give them more context and development. Other characters that will play greater roles later weren't even introduced when they should have been. It's really hard to tell where they're going at this point.

Also, I'd stay out of this thread if you don't want major spoilers to hit you.

[NoTacos]

um dude you are so in the wrong thread

dont sweat it. i just wanted to ask a question where people actually knew the answer. didnt feel like looking for the TV thread.

[Lirlond]

Re-reading the books I missed all the Riverrun stuff in the show. Also all the subtle hints about how Jeyne set up Robb are amazing. Spicer getting a lordship was hilarious in that Jaime chapter.

[tmdorsey]

Damnit, I need that 6th book! This wait is already terrible and it hasn't been a year since I finished ADWD.

EDIT:

Re-reading the books I missed all the Riverrun stuff in the show. Also all the subtle hints about how Jeyne set up Robb are amazing. Spicer getting a lordship was hilarious in that Jaime chapter.

What subtle hints? Refresh my memory.

[Arnie]

dont sweat it. i just wanted to ask a question where people actually knew the answer. didnt feel like looking for the TV thread.

Season 1 followed very closely, season 2 began to deviate in minor plot points and I'd imagine that trend will continue on a linear path up until where we are now. Now return to the TV show thread before you spoil yourself on the juicy goodness to come.

Oh and if you're looking for a recommendation, read the books, they're fantastic.

[NoTacos]

I like how the Red Wedding and Melisandres magic was discussed just a couple of posts before and then someone bursts in, claims to have only watched the TV series and asking for clarification on it. Talk about dodging a minefield. Heh. Just as I posted too. Seriously, this is the unmarked spoiler thread for the whole series. As for your question, S1 was almost 1:1 with the book, but S2 wasn't. The broad strokes are there, but some storylines were changed a lot.

Season 1 follows along almost too well. You're simply missing each character's inner monologues that add a ton of depth to each scene. Season 2 strays a bit. It's not so much different as it is extremely condensed. Minor characters are either scrapped or merged into one singular character; others end up in locations where they weren't in the books simply to give them more context and development. Other characters that will play greater roles later weren't even introduced when they should have been. It's really hard to tell where they're going at this point. Also, I'd stay out of this thread if you don't want major spoilers to hit you.

thanks to you both.

[Lirlond]

Damnit, I need that 6th book! This wait is already terrible and it hasn't been a year since I finished ADWD. EDIT: What subtle hints? Refresh my memory.

Her mother making her tea, Grey Wind disliking the Westerlings, Tywins quills and paper line.

[tmdorsey]

Her mother making her tea, Grey Wind disliking the Westerlings, Tywins quills and paper line.

Ah ok. I remember those.

[Tacitus_]

Her mother making her tea, Grey Wind disliking the Westerlings, Tywins quills and paper line.

There's also a theory that they've swapped Jeyne with her little sister and she's escaped with the Blackfish. This whole theory is based on the different descriptions of Jeyne given by Jaime and Catelyn. Catelyn describes her as having good birthing hips while Jaime says she has narrow, girly hips.

Personally I don't believe in it. It would be too perfect to have Jeyne escape with an heir in her belly.

[Massa]

Personally I don't believe in it. It would be too perfect to have Jeyne escape with an heir in her belly.

I think that's highly unlikely since her mother was giving her anti-birth medication. Besides the kid would be so young to make a difference in the world it would probably just be used as another character for that sadist GRRM to kill.

Were there any other hints of the RW other than Grey Wind not liking the Freys and the bride crying and looking sad?

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

I think that's highly unlikely since her mother was giving her anti-birth medication. Besides the kid would be so young to make a difference in the world it would probably just be used as another character for that sadist GRRM to kill. Were there any other hints of the RW other than Grey Wind not liking the Freys and the bride crying and looking sad?

There was the house of the undying, patchfaces song, the weird dwarf woman's prophesy. Not sure if those are what you were looking for though

I also liked it in ACOK when one of the freys was complaining that he wasn't going to get to marry a princess anymore, and Arya said that she didn't care about his stupid princess or something, and Aryawas actually the princess he was talking about

[Lirlond]

Haha yeah. WHO CARES ABOUT A WEASELS BROTHERS?

[Massa]

Ah, now I remember those. Thanks!

[Steelyuhas]

Correlation is not causation. I'm inclined to believe Mel saw their deaths in the flames, and used that knowledge to make herself seem more powerful, not that she had any impact on their deaths.

Agreed.

I seem to recall the Iron Bank guy being awesome. I wish there were more awesome/smart people. The Red Wedding was kind of sad, but I don't really understand who would like Robb or Catelyn. I hardly remember anything about Robb except for him being off somewhere fighting battles most of the time, and Catelyn was stupid/annoying (and then stupid/evil as Zombie Catelyn). My main concern about the Red Wedding was that Arya was going to die too, but that didn't happen.

Robb is the shit, and he represents the North in both ideals and the actual fight against the southern houses. In one fell swoop, the Red Wedding ends the Northern Kingdom, and the fight against the Lannisters, with the faction that most people are pulling for is basically completely destroyed in a matter of minutes.

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Do you mean in this thread? I personally think that anyone interested in the books shouldn't be online snooping about for details on the series. Can't really place the blame on other people discussing the books (especially in this thread) when the person who clicked into here was you. That being said, even off of the internet, I have seen people spoil the Red Wedding, so I guess its not exactly hard to be spoiled on that moment. God damn at the Stannis leeches thing. I remember him doing that too but never picked up on the kings blood thing. And all three of those died... shit, this just reinforces my love for Stannis. My secret hope for TWOW is that his entire host will freeze (especially that annoying guy from the Iron Bank) and Stannis will just say fuck it, storm Winterfell by himself with Lightbringer, and destroy everything.

Actually, it was brought up in the GoT Season 1 thread. It was behind spoiler tags, but the person tagging didn't specify that these were book spoilers,

Not like I was actually spoiled in any case.

[cj_iwakura]

Stannis has three leeches full of his blood. He throws them one by one into the fire, while uttering a name with each throw. Joffrey Baratheon. Rob Stark. Balon Greyjoy.

Also, Melisandre warns him that it will both work, and not work.

It doesn't end any of their monarchies.

[ToyMachine228]

As someone who has watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, but not read any of the books, would it be easy for me to pick up and read the book series starting with book three?

[Massa]

As someone who has watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, but not read any of the books, would it be easy for me to pick up and read the book series starting with book three?

You should start with book 2, though I'd really recommend the first one too. But ACoK is a must before ASoS.

[Basileus777]

As someone who has watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, but not read any of the books, would it be easy for me to pick up and read the book series starting with book three?

I wouldn't recommend it after the changes the 2nd season made.

[elrechazado]

As someone who has watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, but not read any of the books, would it be easy for me to pick up and read the book series starting with book three?

leave this thread and ask in another one.........pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

[elrechazado]

Stannis has three leeches full of his blood. He throws them one by one into the fire, while uttering a name with each throw. Joffrey Baratheon. Rob Stark. Balon Greyjoy.

They aren't "his" blood, they are edric storm's blood.

[Iksenpets]

As someone who has watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, but not read any of the books, would it be easy for me to pick up and read the book series starting with book three?

No. Read the whole series. Book one will drag a bit because it follows the show pretty closely, but it also sets up a lot of important things. Book 2 is pretty different from the show, so skipping it would leave you pretty lost. There was at least one fairly major book 2 event I can think of that seems to have been pushed to season 3.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

There was the house of the undying, patchfaces song, the weird dwarf woman's prophesy. Not sure if those are what you were looking for though I also liked it in ACOK when one of the freys was complaining that he wasn't going to get to marry a princess anymore, and Arya said that she didn't care about his stupid princess or something, and Aryawas actually the princess he was talking about

She also says "I hope your princess dies", unwittingly wishing her own death.

Her mother making her tea, Grey Wind disliking the Westerlings, Tywins quills and paper line.

I believe it was only Rolph Spicer that Grey Wind disliked. He was fine with the rest of them. Rolph Spice was definitely heavily involved in the plan given that he was granted Castamere.

[RatskyWatsky]

As someone who has watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, but not read any of the books, would it be easy for me to pick up and read the book series starting with book three?

Absolutely not. Don't skip any of the books.

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

As someone who has watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, but not read any of the books, would it be easy for me to pick up and read the book series starting with book three?

Start from the beginning.

[Matt]

Heh. Just as I posted too. Seriously, this is the unmarked spoiler thread for the whole series. As for your question, S1 was almost 1:1 with the book, but S2 wasn't. The broad strokes are there, but some storylines were changed a lot.

That's funny.

[VsRobot]

As someone who has watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, but not read any of the books, would it be easy for me to pick up and read the book series starting with book three?

Start with book one or don't bother with the books at all.

[cj_iwakura]

They aren't "his" blood, they are edric storm's blood.

I assumed it was Stannis'. Why else was he so wan?

[chiQ]

Start with book one or don't bother with the books at all.

This.

[ultron87]

I assumed it was Stannis'. Why else was he so wan?

I think Melisandre is generally draining the life out of him to fuel her magic.

[Matt]

I think Melisandre is generally draining the life out of him to fuel her magic.

Yep. She drained his life to create the shadow Stannis.

[Duane Cunningham]

I think she drained his scrotum for that.

[VsRobot]

"Lem" is slang for giving up a book, an in-joke from an online book club I'm in. Saw this posted there. Pissed me off so much I had to share.

I don't like lemming a book, I see it as a shame on the books side, as well as letting myself down from a readers perspective. I had to lem A Feast for Crows recently, I'm a huge ASOIAF fan and was disappointed that I couldn't get through it.

Of course this twat has HBO GoT art as his avatar. He's a "huge fan".

[Basileus777]

What's so egregious about that? Someone can't be a fan of the show and the first three books and then set aside the mediocre AFFC? He even says it was a shame in that post. Is this just a "he can't call himself a fan unless he loves everything ASOIAF" thing?

Is that from goodreads?