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mysteriousmage09
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(07-10-2012, 03:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ales

4x/6x the power of the 360 ​​after 8 years it would be ridiculous.

This.
jaypah
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(07-10-2012, 03:11 PM)
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This is a great time for MS to try this. And if they fuck it all up somehow I'll still own 3 other platforms to fall back on. So yeah, throw some touch screens in the controllers, sell me some crazy 3D cameras, hook me up with some AR glasses that have the game world spilling out of my TV, allow me to stream my home games on the go. If it all goes up in smoke and MS, Ninty AND Sony somehow manage, against all odds, to fuck everything all the way up...i'll just fire up a badass PC and game. Enough talk and speculation, I want these consoles now! At least Nintendo is giving me something to play with this year.
Majanew
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(07-10-2012, 03:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by mysteriousmage09

This.

That. And more of that.

I wish next year would hurry up so I can see what MS/Sony's plans are and how much headbutting a wall I need to do.
phosphor112
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(07-10-2012, 03:12 PM)
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http://www.alternatiff.com/

There is:
"Download 32-bit version: alternatiff-pl-w32-2.0.4.exe - For 32-bit browsers on any version of Windows. "

Download that. Install it. Restart Firefox. Then go to...

http://www.us-patent-search.com/test.shtml

Click "register Tiff viewer"... follow directions.

Go to the page in question.

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...do&RS=nintendo

Then click "images" it's a button at the top of the page.
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Clear
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(07-10-2012, 03:13 PM)
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Its an interesting approach for sure, but I'm not certain how the "one-box-to-rule-them-all" philosophy squares with marketing/messaging and most of all the heavy imperative to price competitively.

Sony tried this with PS3 and they got murdered by the focussed angles that MS and Nintendo took combined with clear price-point advantages.

Its certainly (as several people have pointed-out) an extremely US-centric approach, which could leave them exposed to more globalized competition.

If anything is going to hurt them in my estimation its their continued focus on Kinect. They should be de-prioritizing it in my opinion because its simply not something that everybody is going to want, and as such is wasteful added-expense to pack in.
AgentP
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(07-10-2012, 03:19 PM)
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A Patent!= a product.

Sure elements of various patents may show up in a product in some form or another, but don't read patents and think a company is disclosing their business strategy.
onQ123
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(07-10-2012, 03:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Clear

Its an interesting approach for sure, but I'm not certain how the "one-box-to-rule-them-all" philosophy squares with marketing/messaging and most of all the heavy imperative to price competitively.

Sony tried this with PS3 and they got murdered by the focussed angles that MS and Nintendo took combined with clear price-point advantages.

Its certainly (as several people have pointed-out) an extremely US-centric approach, which could leave them exposed to more globalized competition.

If anything is going to hurt them in my estimation its their continued focus on Kinect. They should be de-prioritizing it in my opinion because its simply not something that everybody is going to want, and as such is wasteful added-expense to pack in.

Kinect is what they needed to pull this off & if they can turn your TV into a big iPad that you don't have to get up & touch XBOX Next is going to be the it product of the Next Generation.
phosphor112
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(07-10-2012, 03:28 PM)
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Images are here!!!

http://imgur.com/a/oZier#0

If that doesn't work. Click here:

http://phosphor112.imgur.com

Also, you should put them in OP.
Last edited by phosphor112; 07-10-2012 at 03:44 PM.
shandy706
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(07-10-2012, 03:30 PM)
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I remember the dual CPU setup leak/rumor from months ago.

I don't understand the surprise/confusion here...

In fact I had pretty much assumed that Microsoft's next system would have a dual CPU setup. A single tri-core setup for apps and 360 backwards compatibility, and then a 6-8 core setup for "next-gen" games.

It's possible the system would be able to switch between the CPU's for background work and gaming.

What I'm not sure of is if there will be a THIRD "arm" cpu outside of the main system and BC CPU's or if the BC CPU and main system CPU's would simply alternate the load depending on if you're playing a 720 or 360 game.

Tons to find out still, but I honestly am surprised by the people on this forum that don't know about or expect at least a dual CPU setup.

I also want to know if the possible dual (low clock) GPU setup will happen, or if it will end up being a single GPU in the final product.
Giant Panda
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(07-10-2012, 03:37 PM)
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People are seriously that worried a out Xbox Next's graphics? I'm sure they will be fine, even if they are only 6x 360. We've already hit diminishing returns anyway, so I am looking forward to see how this approach works out for MS. They just have to remember to keep making good games, along with whatever else they do.
DaSorcerer7
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(07-10-2012, 03:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Giant Panda

People are seriously that worried a out Xbox Next's graphics? I'm sure they will be fine, even if they are only 6x 360. We've already hit diminishing returns anyway, so I am looking forward to see how this approach works out for MS. They just have to remember to keep making good games, along with whatever else they do.

Hmm, so the Ign rumor has come full circle?
adelante
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(07-10-2012, 03:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by phosphor112

Images are here!!!

http://imgur.com/a/A1lc1#0

If that doesn't work. Click here:

http://phosphor112.imgur.com

Also, you should put them in OP.

Links don't seem to work?
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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(07-10-2012, 03:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by adelante

Links don't seem to work?

microsoft ninjas
phosphor112
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(07-10-2012, 03:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by adelante

Links don't seem to work?

Try again. Was having technical difficulties.
TheNamelessOne
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(07-10-2012, 03:45 PM)
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Having two CPU's is a pretty smart move from MS if they plan on having the nextbox as a media center in every home. Imagine recording 1080p television from one source while playing a game on one CPU - wouldn't work so well. Having two will enable this without impacting either of the processes.
onQ123
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(07-10-2012, 03:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by phosphor112

http://www.alternatiff.com/

There is:
"Download 32-bit version: alternatiff-pl-w32-2.0.4.exe - For 32-bit browsers on any version of Windows. "

Download that. Install it. Restart Firefox. Then go to...

http://www.us-patent-search.com/test.shtml

Click "register Tiff viewer"... follow directions.

Go to the page in question.

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...do&RS=nintendo

Then click "images" it's a button at the top of the page.

Thanks I have all the images & will be converting them to jpg & uploading them when I get back if no one else has. what's a good image site to upload them at full size? that's not banned on Neogaf?
tinfoilhatman
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(07-10-2012, 03:47 PM)
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I'll laugh if this was all leaked on purpose to throw everyone for a loop.



edit:..Seriously there's still people using anything but Chrome for a web browser, sucks to be you people.
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onQ123
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(07-10-2012, 03:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by phosphor112

Images are here!!!

http://imgur.com/a/oZier#0

If that doesn't work. Click here:

http://phosphor112.imgur.com

Also, you should put them in OP.

damn you move fast lol
TheNamelessOne
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(07-10-2012, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by tinfoilhatman

I'll laugh if this was all leaked on purpose to throw everyone for a loop.

That would be a really stupid move considering all potential investors.
phosphor112
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(07-10-2012, 03:52 PM)
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[0011] FIG. 1 illustrates an example embodiment of a target recognition, analysis, and tracking system with users participating in a game.


[0012] FIG. 2 illustrates an example embodiment of a console computing system communicatively coupled with a capture device.


[0013] FIG. 3A is a block diagram of an embodiment of a multimedia computer system architecture providing QoS multimedia guarantees with scalable platform services.


[0014] FIG. 3B is a block diagram of another embodiment of a multimedia computer system architecture like that of FIG. 3A with an additional shared CPU and GPU.


[0015] FIG. 3C is a flowchart of an embodiment of a method for changing the operation mode of at least one processing unit between a multimedia mode and a general purpose computing mode.

[0016] FIG. 4 illustrates another example embodiment of a multimedia computing system such as may be embodied in a console.


[0017] FIG. 5A is a block diagram of an embodiment of a multimedia computer system architecture providing QoS multimedia guarantees with scalable platform services.


[0018] FIG. 5B is a block diagram of another version of the embodiment of a multimedia computer system architecture providing QoS multimedia guarantees of FIG. 5A.


[0019] FIG. 6 is a flowchart describing one embodiment of a method for allocating a computing resource between the multimedia application and a platform service application based on one or more quality of service (QoS) guarantees for the multimedia application.


[0020] FIG. 7 is a flowchart describing one embodiment of a process implementing priority as a QoS guarantee processing technique for a latency guarantee.


[0021] FIG. 8 is a flowchart illustrating an example of a QoS guarantee method for processing a memory request based on criteria for providing consistent real-time performance.

Bam.

...wait...are some images not showing?
ekim
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(07-10-2012, 03:55 PM)
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Someone can branch off possible specs from this images?
onQ123
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(07-10-2012, 04:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by phosphor112

Bam.

...wait...are some images not showing?

the same one's that are not showing up in the OP are not showing up here so you might need to re up them.
phosphor112
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(07-10-2012, 04:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by onQ123

the same one's that are not showing up in the OP are not showing up here so you might need to re up them.

I did like 3 times -__-

EDIT: Also, throw those images in a quote tag to make um smaller.

EDIT 2: Trying GIF and JPeg formats -__-
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MWS Natural
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(07-10-2012, 04:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Giant Panda

People are seriously that worried a out Xbox Next's graphics? I'm sure they will be fine, even if they are only 6x 360. We've already hit diminishing returns anyway, so I am looking forward to see how this approach works out for MS. They just have to remember to keep making good games, along with whatever else they do.

God I wish people would stop saying this shit.
AlStrong
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(07-10-2012, 04:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by ekim

Someone can branch off possible specs from this images?

Not really as it's just a generalized system design.
adelante
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(07-10-2012, 04:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by tinfoilhatman

edit:..Seriously there's still people using anything but Chrome for a web browser, sucks to be you people.

But I'm using Chrome too.... ?

Anyway yea lotsa images are not showing up
phosphor112
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(07-10-2012, 04:13 PM)
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I think imgur is just being absolute trash.

http://imgur.com/a/Z410G#0

JPEG versions. This is the only upload service I have access too at work.
TheNamelessOne
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(07-10-2012, 04:14 PM)
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That's one bigass 360 in FIG. 1.
phosphor112
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Originally Posted by TheNamelessOne

That's one bigass 360 in FIG. 1.

They are using laser disc now.
FoxRomeo
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(07-10-2012, 04:27 PM)
After seeing what MS did with Surface, they better knock our sox off with Durango since Xbox is now a cash cow.

Also it looks like wireless will be another add-on which is a good idea for two reasons:

1. Not everyone needs it and the price needs to stay down.

2. We're in between a new wireless standard (802.11ac which offers 1 GHz of wireless throughput). When the X360 came out wireless n wasn't ratified and with the dongle and if you wanted to take advantage of your wireless n router, you would have to buy an add-on anyways.

With all the multimedia functions in this device, not having Wifi AC as an option would be a travesty.
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Proelite
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(07-10-2012, 04:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by ekim

Someone can branch off possible specs from this images?

The app CPU and GPU will be equivalent to top of the line tablets of next year if they're going to spin them out for other hardware.

Then you also have to add in Kinect 2.0 costs.

And increased motherboard complexity.

Doesn't bode well for the platform CPU and GPU, but bodes well for the ram.

This machine will be expensive to make, but not necessarily powerful.
Last edited by Proelite; 07-10-2012 at 04:39 PM.
Clear
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(07-10-2012, 04:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by onQ123

Kinect is what they needed to pull this off & if they can turn your TV into a big iPad that you don't have to get up & touch XBOX Next is going to be the it product of the Next Generation.

Sorry, I just dont see the "big iPad" idea as being remotely valid. Waving/talking at thin air is not the same as interacting with a handheld slate device because one of those things is natural and intuitive, and the other is the exact opposite.

As to the whole DVR aspect, I just don't think that has all that much cachet given the amount of TV-on-demand services out there now. Streaming is a simpler, better, solution.
FoxRomeo
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(07-10-2012, 04:39 PM)
For some people who complain about a system being "only X times more powerful" should simmer down. X times more powerful in what respect? TFLOPS? Billions of triangles? Clock speed? Stream processor count? Memory?

You seriously don't know whether you should be disappointed or impressed.
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(07-10-2012, 04:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by FoxRomeo

After seeing what MS did with Surface, they better knock our sox off with Durango since Xbox is now a cash cow.

Also it looks like wireless will be another add-on which is a good idea for two reasons:

1. Not everyone needs it and the price needs to stay down.

2. We're in between a new wireless standard (802.11ac which offers 1 GHz of wireless throughput). When the X360 came out wireless n wasn't ratified and with the dongle and if you wanted to take advantage of your wireless n router, you would have to buy an add-on anyways.

With all the multimedia functions in this device, not having Wifi AC as an option would be a travesty.

Hopefully the 360 wireless adapter will be compatible if that is the case ... seeing how expensive it was at the time.
onQ123
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(07-10-2012, 04:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Clear

Sorry, I just dont see the "big iPad" idea as being remotely valid. Waving/talking at thin air is not the same as interacting with a handheld slate device because one of those things is natural and intuitive, and the other is the exact opposite.

As to the whole DVR aspect, I just don't think that has all that much cachet given the amount of TV-on-demand services out there now. Streaming is a simpler, better, solution.

I'm pretty sure the 1st tablet released wasn't natural and intuitive. last time Kinect was a add-on to a 5 year old console this time the console will be made with Kinect controls in mind & they will both be made to work together better.
flyinpiranha
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(07-10-2012, 04:43 PM)
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I wonder if there is enough leaked information if MS would be forced to show their hand earlier than E3 of next year or if they plan on doing something this year before the Wii U goes on sale to take some wind out of those already lacking sails.
ekim
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(07-10-2012, 04:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by flyinpiranha

I wonder if there is enough leaked information if MS would be forced to show their hand earlier than E3 of next year or if they plan on doing something this year before the Wii U goes on sale to take some wind out of those already lacking sails.

I was just about to write something similar. I also think Microsoft should use the momentum generated by the recent leaks and just tease it.
FoxRomeo
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(07-10-2012, 04:49 PM)

Originally Posted by mocoworm

Hopefully the 360 wireless adapter will be compatible if that is the case ... seeing how expensive it was at the time.

Probably not since it will probably screw with the aesthetics of the new machine.
eXx
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(07-10-2012, 04:50 PM)
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waiting for the Almighty Rigby on this one.
Schweinehund
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(07-10-2012, 05:02 PM)
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Kind of disappointing to hear this as a huge pc user. I want a system that focuses on games and first party titles with a lot of power under the hood. This sounds like an applebox with games and a gaming brand name attached to it. Either this thing is going to have a big pricetag or its not going to have a huge leap from current gen.
StevieP
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(07-10-2012, 05:03 PM)

Originally Posted by onQ123

I'm pretty sure the 1st tablet released wasn't natural and intuitive. last time Kinect was a add-on to a 5 year old console this time the console will be made with Kinect controls in mind & they will both be made to work together better.

onQ123 is right on the money with this one, with the addition that we're talking about a revised sensor that's also packed into every box.

Originally Posted by Schweinehund

Kind of disappointing to hear this as a huge pc user. I want a system that focuses on games and first party titles with a lot of power under the hood.

You... have one?
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Giant Panda
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(07-10-2012, 05:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by MWS Natural

God I wish people would stop saying this shit.

And why is that? Just because there are diminishing returns doesn't mean graphics won't improve more, it just means the improvemnts will be slower or less noticeable. It seems you may be mixing these things up. Graphics have improved so much already to the point that they are a rough representation of real life. There's only so much left to improve.
Meelow
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(07-10-2012, 05:36 PM)
So the Xbox 8 is 4-6x more powerful than the Xbox 360?.
Schweinehund
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(07-10-2012, 05:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by StevieP

You... have one?

Yes I do!

Its pretty easy to rig up a home media center with a 300$ build and use bluetooth remotes. That is why it would be disappointing to hear about this new system as most of its capabilities I can already do with a little work. I want to see more of its horsepower and what it will be able to accomplish, because like it or not that is the bar that pc players have to deal with for the next 6 years.
MWS Natural
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Originally Posted by Giant Panda

And why is that? Just because there are diminishing returns doesn't mean graphics won't improve more, it just means the improvemnts will be slower or less noticeable. It seems you may be mixing these things up. Graphics have improved so much already to the point that they are a rough representation of real life. There's only so much left to improve.

Originally Posted by Giant Panda

We've already hit diminishing returns anyway

Because people said the same thing last gen going into this one and they were just as wrong. People just love throwing around "diminished returns!!1" around, when we have so much further to go to reach photorealism in video games.
mrklaw
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(07-10-2012, 05:47 PM)
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if they do this, they have to stop putting paid media services behind an additional paywall of Live Gold. They'll also have to do something really special to
1) differentiate themselves from $50 roku boxes and $99 apple TV boxes and any number of bluray players and smart TVs - they all support the same horizontal 3rd party services.
2) appeal to a wider audience than just US + a couple of European countries with a basic alacarte video store

Originally Posted by TheNamelessOne

Having two CPU's is a pretty smart move from MS if they plan on having the nextbox as a media center in every home. Imagine recording 1080p television from one source while playing a game on one CPU - wouldn't work so well. Having two will enable this without impacting either of the processes.


it'd work fine - PS3 can do it now. It isn't a technical burden to modern machines at all.
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alphaNoid
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(07-10-2012, 05:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Meelow

So the Xbox 8 is 4-6x more powerful than the Xbox 360?.

Huh? Not a single thing has been announced and anything you read here is pure speculation but mostly lies
StevieP
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(07-10-2012, 05:51 PM)

Originally Posted by mrklaw

if they do this, they have to stop putting paid media services behind an additional paywall of Live Gold. They'll also have to do something really special to
1) differentiate themselves from $50 roku boxes and $99 apple TV boxes and any number of bluray players and smart TVs - they all support the same horizontal 3rd party services.
2) appeal to a wider audience than just US + a couple of European countries with a basic alacarte video store

This is purely speculation on my part, based on some stuff I read last year but... the next Xbox may not have a "paywall" of Live Gold. It may simply have a monthly fee.

Originally Posted by alphaNoid

Huh? Not a single thing has been announced and anything you read here is pure speculation but mostly lies

No.
phosphor112
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(07-10-2012, 05:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by StevieP

This is purely speculation on my part, based on some stuff I read last year but... the next Xbox may not have a "paywall" of Live Gold. It may simply have a monthly fee.

You mean like that subsidized 360?... but... forever? Or do you mean monthly fee for XBL?
StevieP
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(07-10-2012, 05:59 PM)

Originally Posted by phosphor112

You mean like that subsidized 360?... but... forever? Or do you mean monthly fee for XBL?

I'm not sure. Like I said, purely speculation. It could go either way in my speculation-based world (the subsidized 360, for example, includes Live Gold, right?) but....

"Always on internet"... "shift toward services and features"... there's a lot of puzzle pieces there to be put together.

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