firehawk12
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#51

The charm of SG-1 anyway was that they would use P90s and make Simpsons references. I don't know if Stargate: Star Trek is something I'd be all that invested in.

Then again, SGA and SGU have tainted the franchise so much that they could do anything at this point.
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#52

More like SG-1/Atlantis and less like that-which-shall-not-be-named.
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Originally Posted by MuseManMike: View Post
More like SG-1/Atlantis and less like that-which-shall-not-be-named.
SGU was awesome

Unlike SGA season 3 onwards :-0 that show completely nuked itself
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#54

Every SG series was great, even SGU. Such a shame it went bust.


These new concept arts look great [especially dude opening spaceship door to look at the moon].
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I like SGA. The Twin Galaxies story line was amazing.
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It looks like David Hewlett wont find popular and lasting role ever again. He badly needs another SG series to get some paychecks. :D
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Originally Posted by gabbo: View Post
I still think an SG1/Stargate game would be a great back-door to a new show or movie or... something.

You could go out searching for the Universe crew (I don't know how Universe ends, so if you reply to this mentioning it, please spoiler it) and end up leading into something completely different.

The pictures: Apophis and Eli in one of the suits at 'the signal'?
it could be the largest mmo, because of the stargate you could have almost endless amount of planets, there is also going forward and backward in time, even different universes. the only problem is a shooter mmo, they are harder to do than bows and swords IMO
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That blue thing going up his back makes me think potential game coming
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Originally Posted by BrokenEchelon: View Post
I think you fumbled up the word "worst" with "best".

the Ori arc was easily the worst part of the show, and Claudia Black is unbearable in everything she's in, whether it's Stargate, Uncharted, or whatever else she stains with her presence.

Maybe I'm in the minority on that opinion, but I can't tolerate her at all.
That would be the shit ton of episodes about those boring little robots.



Originally Posted by Wuthering_Heights: View Post
Agreed. One of the best parts of the series.

Ori were amazing, too.

Good to see some people have taste.


Originally Posted by Jackpot: View Post
Hated the Ori but liked Claudia Black. Someone should gif that bit in the last episode where she opens Daniel's door dressed in neglige and he closes it.

That final ep was so great, the show had so many ups and downs it was nice that they held onto something special to send it off.
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Theres been alot of talk of devlin and emmerich finally doing a sequel to the original movie.
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Originally Posted by Router: View Post
I didnt like Universe that much. Atlantis started out poorly but really picked up towards the end.
I just started watching Atlantis myself, and it really was much better then i thought. The whole outer space vampire thing was (and is) kind of ridiculous, and a lot of the plots could be kind of cliched, but the characters interplayed well and they really worked well with continuity.

Originally Posted by rezuth: View Post
Just make humans splitted and create a new threat where we have to unite once more to fight it. The overall arch is not the most important aspect of stargate.
Originally Posted by evilwart: View Post
Is there really much that can be done with the Stargate franchise without a reboot? When it ended, humans had, within a couple of years, become the strongest faction in the galaxy, with Goa'uld, Asgard, Ori and Ancient tech as apart of their arsenal. A reboot, going back to before all the advanced tech and starships, seems necessary.
A reboot might work, but they could still continue with the old continuity.

Did anyone ever read the Stargate books by Bill Mccay? These are real old, older then SG-1. I found my copies in a box recently and have been reading through them. Interesting stuff. Instead of saying "Actually no, Ra wasn't the last of his species." he left Ra's race dead, and used humans as antagonists. Ra surrounded himself with human slaves and soldiers, and the books had the idea that they just decided to continue conquering the stars even with Ra gone.

SOmething similar could be done for SG-1. The goauld power is broken, but with this power vacuum is filled by various human warlords. The SGC has more tech but they have worlds of man power to throw at problems. It like US vs Afghanistan.

Also, why is the Stargate program still secret? So many people seem to know about it, eventually it'll leak. Viewers know the show is fiction, you don't really gain much by pretending " But it could be the real world because its secret!" You could do a show showing the ramifications of the stargate becoming public, and how all this wonderful alien integrates into human life. Science fiction shows love to show super advanced future civilization, but they rarely show how the real world transforms into them. That could be a very interesting setting, if not a plot itself.
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#62

Those books are sequels to the movies, which form their own continuity.

And they've wanted to reveal the SG program over and over again, it's just last minute renewals have kept them maintaining the status-quo. It's just easier to have it be a secret than to deal with all the consequences that come with having the program be public.

(ie, why is the US allowing American soldiers to die in Iraq and Afghanistan when they have the ability to teleport anyone anywhere at anytime?)
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Originally Posted by Slayven: View Post
Furling reveal?
I think we've already seen them. They were the aliens in foothold. Or maybe not. Probably not.

As we're on topic, who were they and why were they never, ever featured or mentioned again? I thought they had the potential to become a great new enemy, but they just seemed to become episode fodder.
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Originally Posted by Wuthering_Heights: View Post
Agreed. One of the best parts of the series.

Ori were amazing, too.
They were interested, but I felt the show tried too hard to replicate the Goauld. False gods, etc.

They should have gone in a completely different direction, perhaps introduce a new race of aliens or perhaps expand the role of the replicators.
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Originally Posted by MuseManMike: View Post
More like SG-1/Atlantis and less like that-which-shall-not-be-named.
Season 2.5 of SGU was some of the best sci-fi ever. It was up there with the best Star Trek episodes. The music alone made it incredible, I wish they released a soundtrack. RIP Joel Goldsmith. Stargate won't be the same without his scores. :(
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Originally Posted by Speedymanic: View Post
I think we've already seen them. They were the aliens in foothold. Or maybe not. Probably not.

As we're on topic, who were they and why were they never, ever featured or mentioned again? I thought they had the potential to become a great new enemy, but they just seemed to become episode fodder.
The writers came up with a bunch of random gibberish names for the races that had formed the old powers of the galaxy, but they were never revealed. The joke episode, 200, showed them to be giant teddy bears that the Stargate team accidentally massacre, but that's about as close as we get to them being revelaed/referenced.
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Originally Posted by B_Rik_Schitthaus: View Post
That would be the shit ton of episodes about those boring little robots.
Replicators were a great threat. Until it went all weird with the human style replicators.
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#68

I'm rewatching the series for the 3rd time. I absolutely love the series, and I would love it if there was a continuation of the franchise.
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Originally Posted by Tacitus_: View Post
Replicators were a great threat. Until it went all weird with the human style replicators.
Basically, they went Borg Queen with their version of the Borg because they wanted to give them a face. We saw how that turned out in Voyager though and the same thing happened in SG. :p
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Ugh. No reboot please. Stargate SG-1 is the Star Trek TOS to an existing universe. Explore more things.
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Universe was getting really good during S2. The first few eps after the pilot weren't great. But they had some great eps and nice arcs after they returned for the second half of season 1.

It gets alot of shit, but I dug it in the end.

Loved scenes like this for instance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_P7Cnnbm2g&sns
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Originally Posted by Arment: View Post
Ugh. No reboot please. Stargate SG-1 is the Star Trek TOS to an existing universe. Explore more things.
TOS was rebooted though. SG1 could do the same thing. I think the series has been away for too long to just bring it back.
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Originally Posted by Arment: View Post
Ugh. No reboot please. Stargate SG-1 is the Star Trek TOS to an existing universe. Explore more things.
I agree, I wouldn't want a reboot at all. They've opened up so much of the universe so far, I'd love to see them continue on to new discoveries.

To reboot and be sucked all the way back to our little corner of the galaxy to venture out again, would likely just have us retreading old ground with new faces.
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In the current universe though, anyone can just become a god if they think hard enough. I think it's about as broken as it can get right now.
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Originally Posted by firehawk12: View Post
The writers came up with a bunch of random gibberish names for the races that had formed the old powers of the galaxy, but they were never revealed. The joke episode, 200, showed them to be giant teddy bears that the Stargate team accidentally massacre, but that's about as close as we get to them being revelaed/referenced.
A damn shame really. Would have been interesting to actually see them and have them turn out to be ruthless aliens who are only interested in killing or something.

Originally Posted by Tacitus_: View Post
Replicators were a great threat. Until it went all weird with the human style replicators.
Yup. They should have stuck to the spiders and other forms that weren't human. Surprised they didn't do it to be honest, maybe the budget didn't allow for it.
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Originally Posted by Speedymanic: View Post
A damn shame really. Would have been interesting to actually see them and have them turn out to be ruthless aliens who are only interested in killing or something.
It wouldn't explain why the others would work with them. Unless the gist would be that they are the reason for that alliance falling apart.
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Originally Posted by Tacitus_: View Post
Replicators were a great threat. Until it went all weird with the human style replicators.
This. I liked the replicators alot up until the human form ones. That I wasnt so fond of, but they are still a better enemy than the Ori. They even managed to have one cool replicator episode in Atlantis with the Kamikaze replicator chick. Its a cop out that they drug replicators into the Pegasus area with Atlantis, but that was still an awesome episode.
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I loved SGU and was really sad to see it go though the episode it ended on was a good place to stop.

I have no clue what those pics could mean but more Stargate in any form is good by me. I think I'll downlaod the app now.
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Originally Posted by firehawk12: View Post
Basically, they went Borg Queen with their version of the Borg because they wanted to give them a face. We saw how that turned out in Voyager though and the same thing happened in SG. :p
That and the mind spike powers. Replicators were great when they were just the little spider bots eating your ship inside out in order to make more of them.

Originally Posted by firehawk12: View Post
In the current universe though, anyone can just become a god if they think hard enough. I think it's about as broken as it can get right now.
Meh, the only thing you can do when you Ascend is chill out at that diner. Otherwise you get banished back.
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Originally Posted by Scirrocco: View Post
Did anyone ever read the Stargate books by Bill Mccay? These are real old, older then SG-1. I found my copies in a box recently and have been reading through them. Interesting stuff. Instead of saying "Actually no, Ra wasn't the last of his species." he left Ra's race dead, and used humans as antagonists. Ra surrounded himself with human slaves and soldiers, and the books had the idea that they just decided to continue conquering the stars even with Ra gone.

SOmething similar could be done for SG-1. The goauld power is broken, but with this power vacuum is filled by various human warlords. The SGC has more tech but they have worlds of man power to throw at problems. It like US vs Afghanistan.
The Lucian Alliance are sorta similar to that; humans formally ruled by the Gou'ald, now free using Gou'ald tech to expand their own faction. Except the Lucian Alliance never came across as threatening.

Originally Posted by Scirrocco: View Post
Also, why is the Stargate program still secret? So many people seem to know about it, eventually it'll leak. Viewers know the show is fiction, you don't really gain much by pretending " But it could be the real world because its secret!" You could do a show showing the ramifications of the stargate becoming public, and how all this wonderful alien integrates into human life. Science fiction shows love to show super advanced future civilization, but they rarely show how the real world transforms into them. That could be a very interesting setting, if not a plot itself.
The reveal to Earth would be interesting, as it would throw Earth in complete chaos.
- The public would struggle to deal with endless lies and cover-ups. Can the public trust governments if the lie about something that important?
- Alien tech appearing on Earth and the consequences. Alien weaponry, teleporters, sarcophagus, etc. in the hands of the public.
- How is the Stargate dealt with? Can people use it as they want or would the SGC restrict access and not let people leave? Does Earth's population have the right to explore and interact with the rest of humanity?

Originally Posted by Arment: View Post
Ugh. No reboot please. Stargate SG-1 is the Star Trek TOS to an existing universe. Explore more things.
So that's a no to Goa'uld miners going back in time, creating an alternate timeline, where a younger, sexier SG-1 must come together to stop them with lens flares?
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I've not seen any stargate apart from maybe the original film. I should probably get around to it. If anyone else is in the same boat, I found this page with a recommended viewing order.
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#82

As long as any future Stargate doesn't resemble the atrocity that was Universe I'll be okay with it.
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As long as this guy does cameos I'll follow whatever new series they create:



I kind of missed Universe but heard from friends it was pretty bad at the start. Was this guy in any episodes?
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Originally Posted by Rapstah: View Post
As long as this guy does cameos I'll follow whatever new series they create:



I kind of missed Universe but heard from friends it was pretty bad at the start. Was this guy in any episodes?
Nope. I don't think any of the SGA team ever cameo, let alone him.
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Originally Posted by Averon: View Post
Too soon to bring back Stargate. And even if they did, I'd imagine a reboot of the entire series would be required.
Not necessarily. SG-1's ending killed SGA by making their mission pointless and redundant. That doesn't mean the entire Series needs to be refreshed tho.

There were a lot of potential threads for them to work at from there. Political fallout from a failed alien invasion for example. Also the issue of the Asgardians not being quite dead and dickish to boot etc. Their Asgardian database has to have a lot of info on worlds worth exploring for that matter if they just wanted to keep a ruin a planet by saying hello formula intact.

If they wanted to get back into the general exploration mode, they could open with a SGU finale of sorts. They get Destiny to it's destination, they find some answers and managed to establish a link back to earth. poking around at the site turns up mummified Super Saiyan. They poke at it a bit and it rehydrates and powers up in a doorway...

It's all explained in the pictures. Simple really.

Also, people curious about SGU. Start midway into season 2. That's when the show got around to developing a plot.
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#86

McKay cameos late into the second season.
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Originally Posted by Divvy: View Post
McKay cameos late into the second season.
Man, i really have to get my hands on those last 5 episodes.
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Originally Posted by firehawk12: View Post
Basically, they went Borg Queen with their version of the Borg because they wanted to give them a face. We saw how that turned out in Voyager though and the same thing happened in SG. :p
Stargate's first Borg Queen was fine.

The Borg were (originally) a group that embraced technological enhancements and sacrificed individuality in favor of an all-knowing hive mind, which they wished to share with the universe, by force if needed, for their own benefit and yours. The Borg Queen completely ruined that.

The Replicators were technology that replicated relentlessly, without safeguards, made by an unknown entity (possibly destroyed) for some unknown purpose. The Asgard tried to study them, but they underestimated them, and got themselves infested like cockroaches.

Stargate's first "Borg Queen" said that some scientist on a planet somewhere made a mentally-flawed android in an attempt to make a human girl (because all scientists are perverts), and this broken android tried to make "toys" and then lost control of them. And that's how the replicators were born. It's fine. It doesn't ruin anything. Now we just know who the idiot was who made them.

It was the second crop of Human-form Replicators (androids fashioned in the approximate image of their creator so that Replicators could have someone to order them around) who ruined the Replicators.

The Atlantis "Replicators" were fine (Hey, we're robots made by the Ancients, but they junked us, so we don't like them and now we don't like you) but they didn't need to be Replicators.

Originally Posted by evilwart: View Post
The Lucian Alliance are sorta similar to that; humans formally ruled by the Gou'ald, now free using Gou'ald tech to expand their own faction. Except the Lucian Alliance never came across as threatening.
The one guy who was Dinobot from Beast Wars was pretty menacing.

Originally Posted by firehawk12: View Post
In the current universe though, anyone can just become a god if they think hard enough. I think it's about as broken as it can get right now.
Only if another god helps you along. Otherwise you need to be physically advanced to the point of having super powers. They've got a machine for that, but if you don't think properly, it kills you. And once you get up there, you're not actually allowed to do anything.
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#89

I'm still bitter about SG:U. Just because it was not a exact copy of the other two shows, the fanboys had to whine and whine about it.
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Originally Posted by DarkFlow83: View Post
I'm still bitter about SG:U. Just because it was not a exact copy of the other two shows, the fanboys had to whine and whine about it.
What was there to whine about? It had more O'Neill than season 9 and 10. What else could one want?
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Wormhole X-Treme Tv Show Confirmed?

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Wormhole X-Treme Tv Show Confirmed?

Can we get a different DeLuise again?
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they better finish SGU, the 2nd season was awesome, especially that arc where they saw themselves starting a colony
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Wormhole X-Treme Tv Show Confirmed?

It's what I do...
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Originally Posted by ruby_onix: View Post
Stargate's first Borg Queen was fine.

The Borg were (originally) a group that embraced technological enhancements and sacrificed individuality in favor of an all-knowing hive mind, which they wished to share with the universe, by force if needed, for their own benefit and yours. The Borg Queen completely ruined that.

The Replicators were technology that replicated relentlessly, without safeguards, made by an unknown entity (possibly destroyed) for some unknown purpose. The Asgard tried to study them, but they underestimated them, and got themselves infested like cockroaches.

Stargate's first "Borg Queen" said that some scientist on a planet somewhere made a mentally-flawed android in an attempt to make a human girl (because all scientists are perverts), and this broken android tried to make "toys" and then lost control of them. And that's how the replicators were born. It's fine. It doesn't ruin anything. Now we just know who the idiot was who made them.

It was the second crop of Human-form Replicators (androids fashioned in the approximate image of their creator so that Replicators could have someone to order them around) who ruined the Replicators.

The Atlantis "Replicators" were fine (Hey, we're robots made by the Ancients, but they junked us, so we don't like them and now we don't like you) but they didn't need to be Replicators.

The one guy who was Dinobot from Beast Wars was pretty menacing.

Only if another god helps you along. Otherwise you need to be physically advanced to the point of having super powers. They've got a machine for that, but if you don't think properly, it kills you. And once you get up there, you're not actually allowed to do anything.
The replicators were just a case of a good idea turned bad by repetition and overstaying its welcome. Of course, I think they're still better than the Ori. lol

And yeah, I suppose being Ascended really just means you become an apathetic asshole. It makes me wonder how all those Abydos people feel about being stuck floating around in a higher plane of existence while they watched their SG-1 friends go through their various adventures. lol
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Originally Posted by Averon: View Post
Too soon to bring back Stargate. And even if they did, I'd imagine a reboot of the entire series would be required.
Yeah, if they try to continue any of the current stories it will be a terrible mess with some forced storyline, and the side stories they tried to tell with Atlantis and Universe weren't exactly on par with SG-1. It'll have to be a restart. Hopefully focusing on the goa'uld and not veering off to the replicators and Ori again

e: or perhaps a game made by a good dev team. Either Co-op/singleplayer or a MMOFPS like Planetside 2.
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Originally Posted by firehawk12: View Post
The replicators were just a case of a good idea turned bad by repetition and overstaying its welcome. Of course, I think they're still better than the Ori. lol

And yeah, I suppose being Ascended really just means you become an apathetic asshole. It makes me wonder how all those Abydos people feel about being stuck floating around in a higher plane of existence while they watched their SG-1 friends go through their various adventures. lol
I liked the idea behind the Ori, but Morena Baccarin does not play the evil overlord type well. Stargate and V prove that. She works better with more down to Earth characters.

But I liked that essentially the Ori were like the Christians trying to spread their faith to the non believers. The non believers just happened to be the rest of the universe. And their power level made them kind of scary. Unfortunately, they were were taken down too quickly and handled kinda lamely towards the end that it diminished what they could have been.
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Originally Posted by evilwart: View Post
Is there really much that can be done with the Stargate franchise without a reboot? When it ended, humans had, within a couple of years, become the strongest faction in the galaxy, with Goa'uld, Asgard, Ori and Ancient tech as apart of their arsenal. A reboot, going back to before all the advanced tech and starships, seems necessary.
Yeah, either they go far in the future with the show or far in the past when the Goa'uld first came to earth. There isn't much sci-fi on television so I'll take anything.
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Originally Posted by gabbo: View Post
What was there to whine about? It had more O'Neill than season 9 and 10. What else could one want?
People wanted more of the same crap as the last two series. I enjoyed the show for what it was, lost exploring but noooooooo people wanted more sg1 sga bullshit.
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Originally Posted by DarkFlow83: View Post
I'm still bitter about SG:U. Just because it was not a exact copy of the other two shows, the fanboys had to whine and whine about it.
Yeah yeah. Somehow it was the fans and not the show's whiny*bitchy*people = drama! garbage content that sunk it.