[Ether_Snake]

Is this site real? http://jamesholmeswiki.com/james-holmes-parents-robert/

No idea. I guess that's his LinkedIn profile http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

I guess most of the info is from that page actually. Don't know if he really is his father.

This is the company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Isaac

This article makes the same claim: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021030972

According to his LinkedIn profile, James Holmes’s father, Dr. Robert Holmes, who received a PhD in Statistics in 1981 from the University of California at Berkeley, worked for San Diego-based HNC Software, Inc. from 2000 to 2002. HNC, known as a “neural network” company, and DARPA, beginning in 1998, have worked on developing “cortronic neural networks,” which would allow machines to interpret aural and visual stimuli to think like humans. The cortronic concept was developed by HNC Software’s chief scientist and co-founder, Robert Hecht-Nielsen. HNC merged with the Minneapolis-based Fair Isaac Corporation (FICO), a computer analysis and decision-making company. Robert Holmes continues to work at FICO. Robert Holmes brief bio at linked in states the following: “My educational background is in Mathematics and Statistics. My experience over the last 10 years at HNC and FICO has been in developing predictive models for financial services; credit & fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.” Management Experience: I am currently managing a team building Falcon Fraud Manager Credit card fraud models. I have also managed teams in the Telco and Identity Theft fraud areas.” How interesting and coincidental is it that in the film The Dark Knight Rises Bane gets his hands on Software that is used to expose the fraud in Wall Street and literally guts the rich?

Sounds a bit crazy...

[commedieu]

What's with people saying that this was all staged and is just a hoax? It's getting top comments on youtube now

Its because witnesses say a man opened the door for the shooter. Who is willing to testify to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=h4MW_qhAPAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4Gv3PGtsHg

Youtube accounts getting terminated, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPqz...eature=related

[Syphon Filter]

No that's conspiracy theorists. Unless there's proof it was a lie, I'd believe him over people that want to make every situation something that was thought of by the govt/CIA

Seems real to me. You can see his emotion.

[Ether_Snake]

Its because witnesses say a man opened the door for the shooter. Who is willing to testify to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=h4MW_qhAPAU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4Gv3PGtsHg Youtube accounts getting terminated, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPqz...eature=related

All we need to know, and which we don't know yet as far as I know, is HOW LONG did it take for Holmes to get to the door, and come back and shoot people? If it was like two minutes, NO way could it be the same person. He would have to get to his car, dress up, take his guns, etc.

edit: No ok the guy says 15 to 20 mins later the shooter came inside. The thing is NO ONE says they saw a guy with red hair in the room. Even this guy who says he had a goatee doesn't mention the hair or hair color. You'd think he could more accurately describe him than "he had a goatee". I don't think it's far fetched to think someone was in to go open the door for Holmes since those doors don't open from outside. Otherwise it implies Holmes somehow kept the door open and risked not getting the door shut for real by someone else while he was gone to prepare himself.

[Skeyser]

Maybe he was wearing a hat?

[Ether_Snake]

Maybe he was wearing a hat?

Maybe, but you'd think that would be mentioned in his description. They mention his height, a goatee, but not a hat or his hair, which implies his hair was not really something that stood out. Wearing a hat in a theater is noticeable. No reason to think he was wearing one really.

[animlboogy]

Ether, weren't you the guy who was chastising us earlier in the thread when there was more active reporting being shared about obsessing too much over this case?

You're obsessing too much over this case.

[Ether_Snake]

Ether, weren't you the guy who was chastising us earlier in the thread when there was more active reporting being shared about obsessing too much over this case? You're obsessing too much over this case.

I was talking about shooter motivations and this kind of stuff, his "motives", etc. Stuff that should be left to investigators, and how the media sensationalizes shootings. The kind of stuff that leads to copycat crimes.

[NateDrake]

Its because witnesses say a man opened the door for the shooter. Who is willing to testify to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=h4MW_qhAPAU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4Gv3PGtsHg Youtube accounts getting terminated, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPqz...eature=related

The only thing I don't understand in some of the video accounts is, if the movie had started, why did people think the smoke/mystery item was a method to create hype for the movie? Did the movie actually begin or was it still previews when things happened? I honestly don't know the answer. That one video the guy giving his account that was posted early did come off as an act, of course I'm not saying it was or wasn't.

I don't think it is some grand conspiracy or anything, though.

[Daydream Sequence]

The only thing I don't understand in some of the video accounts is, if the movie had started, why did people think the smoke/mystery item was a method to create hype for the movie? Did the movie actually begin or was it still previews when things happened? I honestly don't know the answer. That one video the guy giving his account that was posted early did come off as an act, of course I'm not saying it was or wasn't. I don't think it is some grand conspiracy or anything, though.

Because no one expects to be tear-gassed at a movie. So their minds created a semi-logical reason for what was happening to be happening.

[Ether_Snake]

I think when people say "we thought it was part of the movie", they just mean they thought that for a split second, but it's logical they would mention they felt that. Not that they thought that and then a minute later realized it wasn't. It was a quick "uh?" rather than an immediate "holy shit, theater shooting!".

[NateDrake]

I think when people say "we thought it was part of the movie", they just mean they thought that for a split second, but it's logical they would mention they felt that. Not that they thought that and then a minute later realized it wasn't. It was a quick "uh?" rather than an immediate "holy shit, theater shooting!".

Yeah, didn't think about it that way. I see your point and that makes sense.

[mackaveli]

any updates on what is going on with the trial etc.,?

[Syphon Filter]

James Holmes' Psychiatrist Contacted University Police Weeks Before Movie-Theater Shooting

http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holme...8#.UCCDJ01lRkQ

[Ether_Snake]

From that article:

Fenton would have had to have serious concerns to break confidentiality with her patient to reach out to the police officer or others, the sources said. Under Colorado law, a psychiatrist can legally breach a pledge of confidentiality with a patient if he or she becomes aware of a serious and imminent threat that their patient might cause harm to others. Psychiatrists can also breach confidentiality if a court has ordered them to do so.

And she was on the Behavioral Threat Assessment Team. So sadly, it seems the matter was not taken seriously enough.

[DrForester]

Kind of off topic, but there was a huge fire at the apartment building right across the street from the shooters apartment building. Arson is suspected but no connection with the Aurora shooting.

[Pandemic]

Lawyers for James Holmes, the man charged in the Batman movie massacre, said Thursday that Holmes is mentally ill. The disclosure came when the lawyers appeared with Holmes at a Colorado court hearing into the attack that left 12 dead and 58 wounded -- an attack that has left Holmes facing multiple murder charges that carry the death penalty.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...y-ill-lawyers/

[SwiftSketcher]

Are we ever going to hear this guy speak a single word?

And lol at the claim of mental illness. I always wonder if in cases like these, the lawyers just try to scrap at any sort of evidence they can to defend their criminal, no matter how obviously guilty he is.

[YesNOnoNOYes]

wasnt there evidence of months of planning and supplies being bought for? kevlar and ammo and guns and all that?

doesnt that negate the mental illness path? i'm not well versed in what's the scope of that line of defense. Do psychotic / sociopathic syndromes qualify the defendant to be pursued under a more lenient punishment?

[Bpatrol]

Are we ever going to hear this guy speak a single word? And lol at the claim of mental illness. I always wonder if in cases like these, the lawyers just try to scrap at any sort of evidence they can to defend their criminal, no matter how obviously guilty he is.

Well, that is their job...

[I H8 Memes]

Are we ever going to hear this guy speak a single word? And lol at the claim of mental illness. I always wonder if in cases like these, the lawyers just try to scrap at any sort of evidence they can to defend their criminal, no matter how obviously guilty he is.

Did you ever get to see Jared Loughner in court? Nope. they will kepp him hidden from the public eye as much as possible until they have him medicated enough that the public wont see how crazy he is.

Both of these guys have serious mental illnesses. Americans don't find that acceptable. We have a justice system based on punishment and a populace who wont accept anything less no matter what the condition of the person who committed the crime. Most Americans dont believe that serious mental illness is even real. Look at this thread with the people who say he is faking.


I didnt notice a thread on it, but Loughner was just given a plea bargain of life in prison 2 days ago. With all that evidence? After shooting a US senator in the head and killing a little girl in front of a crowd of people? And he got a plea bargain. That should tell you everything you need to know about what his mental condition was. They judge found him to finally be competent to stand trial, but that was just a sham. That was just so they could offer the plea deal legally. And now they get to keep the public from seeing how mentally ill he is.

Obviously someone with as serious a mental illness as Loughner should have been sentenced to a mental institution. But that's not justice in Americas eyes. They want justice even when there is none to be had. It sucks that people can die and it is a situation where we cant even get justice out of the situation, but it does happen. But not in America. If they could have somehow have given Jared Loughner a trial without us being able to see him then believe me he would be headed to death row instead of life in prison. In America we will execute a mentally ill person and feel much better about that than we would about them being sentenced to a mental facility.

They are going to do the exact same thing with Holmes. And America will cheer it on. Americans for the most part simple dont believe in this kind of mental illness.

[Roland Garros]

Did you ever get to see Jared Loughner in court? Nope. they will kepp him hidden from the public eye as much as possible until they have him medicated enough that the public wont see how crazy he is. Both of these guys have serious mental illnesses. Americans don't find that acceptable. We have a justice system based on punishment and a populace who wont accept anything less no matter what the condition of the person who committed the crime. Most Americans dont believe that serious mental illness is even real. Look at this thread with the people who say he is faking. I didnt notice a thread on it, but Loughner was just given a plea bargain of life in prison 2 days ago. With all that evidence? After shooting a US senator in the head and killing a little girl in front of a crowd of people? And he got a plea bargain. That should tell you everything you need to know about what his mental condition was. They judge found him to finally be competent to stand trial, but that was just a sham. That was just so they could offer the plea deal legally. And now they get to keep the public from seeing how mentally ill he is. Obviously someone with as serious a mental illness as Loughner should have been sentenced to a mental institution. But that's not justice in Americas eyes. They want justice even when there is none to be had. It sucks that people can die and it is a situation where we cant even get justice out of the situation, but it does happen. But not in America. If they could have somehow have given Jared Loughner a trial without us being able to see him then believe me he would be headed to death row instead of life in prison. In America we will execute a mentally ill person and feel much better about that than we would about them being sentenced to a mental facility. They are going to do the exact same thing with Holmes. And America will cheer it on. Americans for the most part simple dont believe in this kind of mental illness.

Couldn't agree more. A brilliant post.

[The Lamonster]

You're not allowed to kill people in this country. That is the rule. If you do though, pay the fucking price.

[drumlord]

Both of these guys have serious mental illnesses. Americans don't find that acceptable... They are going to do the exact same thing with Holmes. And America will cheer it on. Americans for the most part simple dont believe in this kind of mental illness.

The courts generally are only concerned with whether the person knew what he was doing is wrong, not what type of mental illness he had. Even if the medical community classified the willingness to kill somebody as MurderItis so every single killer would count as being mentally ill, it wouldn't matter for their guilt or innocence. If you plan and execute somebody's murder and understand all the while that killing people is wrong, you are guilty.

Unless you are trying to make the argument that he didn't know it was wrong...in which case, best of luck to you and your arguments.

[IANAL]

[OpinionatedCyborg]

wasnt there evidence of months of planning and supplies being bought for? kevlar and ammo and guns and all that? doesnt that negate the mental illness path? i'm not well versed in what's the scope of that line of defense. Do psychotic / sociopathic syndromes qualify the defendant to be pursued under a more lenient punishment?

wikipedia is meticulously maintained by an army of autistic shut-ins, so planning, foresight, and obesssive attention to detail certainly aren't an indication one is mentally healthy. however, you are probably making the point in terms of what the courts are concerned with: was the person aware of the law and were the aware of right and wrong? in that case, he was likely well aware.

[I H8 Memes]

The courts generally are only concerned with whether the person knew what he was doing is wrong, not what type of mental illness he had. Even if the medical community classified the willingness to kill somebody as MurderItis so every single killer would count as being mentally ill, it wouldn't matter for their guilt or innocence. If you plan and execute somebody's murder and understand all the while that killing people is wrong, you are guilty. Unless you are trying to make the argument that he didn't know it was wrong...in which case, best of luck to you and your arguments. [IANAL]

It's not called murderitis, it's called schizophrenia. Should we use your standards to judge whether someone needs to be treated for a mental disease? If you can plan anything, and if you can answer yes to the question "Is killing people wrong" we will let them out of mental facilities and they don't have to get treatment.

We're talking about a mental illness so severe that in some cases people can actually see things in front of them that aren't there. Hear things that dont exist, including voices. The disassociation of their mind is so severe that they no longer have the ability to understand that it cant be real no matter how bizarre the visual or auditory hallucination is. This is their reality.

And these cases go well beyond Americans just not wanting to believe that a mind can be broken just like any other part of the body. Here we don't care what someones condition was at the time of the crime and will even openly admit that someone wasn't able to tell right from wrong or reality from hallucination at the time of the crime. As long as we can treat them enough to convince people that when they get to court they can then understand charges against them.

Here is a link to Loughners youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10/videos

A couple of videos seem to be missing. One where he is wearing a garbage bag in the desert and IIRC sets something on fire. And another where he walks around his college campus making nonsensical rantings. BTW, he was expelled from college because he was completely out of his mind. The administration told his parents he couldn't come back until they got him treated for his mental illness. He was far to ill to seek or be responsible for his own treatment. They didn't get him any treatment.

He got treatment after though. And they wouldn't let us see him until they had him treated enough to shuffle him into a courtroom and judge him competent so they could give him a plea bargain and get him out of sight again.


Schizophrenia is different for everybody though. On the surface Holmes doesn't seem to be quite as severe a case as Loughners. Loughners is so severe that I have no doubt that a judge ruling him competent is crime itself. Loughners will never be competent in his life being treated with current methods. Maybe in the future if we find better treatment for schizophrenia. Right now our best treatment is the equivalent of driving a nail with a sledgehammer.

But this is America. We want justice. What we really want is vengeance. We want blood. An eye for an eye. The vast majority of Americans would be more than happy to see Jarred Loughner executed. So we are going to stick that guy in a prison. That guy doesn't belong in a prison, and prisoners don't belong around a guy like that. Both for his benefit and theirs.

[drumlord]

Loughner stuff... Schizophrenia stuff... But this is America. We want justice. What we really want is vengeance. We want blood. An eye for an eye.

I know little about Loughner and I'm not addressing him at the moment. I also wasn't intending on talking about Schizophrenia. Though even if a murderer does have it, millions of non-murderers have schizophrenia and perceptions that schizophrenia leads to violence is not backed by science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#Violence).

Simply having a mental illness does not mean you should be found not guilty of a crime and that is what we're talking about here. You need to have not been able to control your actions or at least not understand your actions when you committed the crime. This makes it somewhat simpler for courts to make decisions, but still difficult enough that new precedents are set every decade or so. Almost no cases involve the insanity defense and those that do usually fail. This isn't because Americans want blood; it's because we don't give people a pass just for having a diagnosed mental illness, especially because our understanding of mental illnesses is relatively new and we still don't know enough about them. One of the major issues is where do you draw the line? Just severe mental disorders? How would you define that? What about personality disorders? Many people suffering from schizophrenia also suffer from a personality disorder; maybe you need both to become violent. Does the disorder have to be from a defined chemical imbalance, genes, brain damage, etc.?

Even the defense attorneys have yet to come out and discuss Holmes' medical condition because they simply don't know yet, so it seems quite presumptuous to state he has schizophrenia, it was severe enough to cause him to murder people, and he should be found not guilty. And then to back that statement up by demonizing the "vast majority of Americans" makes it sound like you have grudge of some kind.

The vast majority of Americans would be more than happy to see Jarred Loughner executed. So we are going to stick that guy in a prison. That guy doesn't belong in a prison, and prisoners don't belong around a guy like that. Both for his benefit and theirs.

What the vast majority of Americans want rarely has any impact on what a court decides. But obviously, there is a side topic here of whether prisoners should receive treatment for mental illnesses. I believe they should. And in some cases they do, but treatment of any condition prisoners have is a hotly debated topic and one that only gets more complicated when considering issues like Obamacare. Personally, I think the answer is simple, but I don't run countries.

[Pandemic]

Has their been any new updates on this?

And did they end up releasing any of the 911 calls?

[Baconsammy]

The people who said they saw Holmes on the phone minutes before the shooting were correct. Some people speculated it was him calling his apartment to set the explosives/timers etc. Nope. He was calling the faculty department at his university.

Story here.

[Pandemic]

So.. They ended up shaving James Holmes head, and here's his new mugshot,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1902296.html

[ffdgh]

Dude looks even worse.

[JokerOfSpades]

Well he looks happy.

[jaxword]

An eerily symmetrical lizard-eyed face.

[catfish]

he looks like a dick.

[Skeyser]

he looks even more insane, it's impressive

[Acageron]

the hell is wrong with him. looks creepy

[sazzy]

Looks like he hasn't been sleeping.

[Bowflex]

I laughed out loud when I saw that picture, because it is so absurd. Dude is in prison, maybe facing life yet has the most goofy, happy-go-lucky look on his face. I know he's probably batshit mentally ill, but still....that face.

[SwiftSketcher]

One of the most disturbing mugshots I've ever seen in my life.

[teacupcopter]

Did you ever get to see Jared Loughner in court? Nope. they will kepp him hidden from the public eye as much as possible until they have him medicated enough that the public wont see how crazy he is. Both of these guys have serious mental illnesses. Americans don't find that acceptable. We have a justice system based on punishment and a populace who wont accept anything less no matter what the condition of the person who committed the crime. Most Americans dont believe that serious mental illness is even real. Look at this thread with the people who say he is faking. I didnt notice a thread on it, but Loughner was just given a plea bargain of life in prison 2 days ago. With all that evidence? After shooting a US senator in the head and killing a little girl in front of a crowd of people? And he got a plea bargain. That should tell you everything you need to know about what his mental condition was. They judge found him to finally be competent to stand trial, but that was just a sham. That was just so they could offer the plea deal legally. And now they get to keep the public from seeing how mentally ill he is. Obviously someone with as serious a mental illness as Loughner should have been sentenced to a mental institution. But that's not justice in Americas eyes. They want justice even when there is none to be had. It sucks that people can die and it is a situation where we cant even get justice out of the situation, but it does happen. But not in America. If they could have somehow have given Jared Loughner a trial without us being able to see him then believe me he would be headed to death row instead of life in prison. In America we will execute a mentally ill person and feel much better about that than we would about them being sentenced to a mental facility. They are going to do the exact same thing with Holmes. And America will cheer it on. Americans for the most part simple dont believe in this kind of mental illness.

Great post. Sadly most people will just skim over it in their rush to make a prison rape joke. The prison system is fucked for so many reasons, and it's sad that no one wants anything to do with thinking about fixing it.

[Curtisaur]

Did you ever get to see Jared Loughner in court? Nope. they will kepp him hidden from the public eye as much as possible until they have him medicated enough that the public wont see how crazy he is. Both of these guys have serious mental illnesses. Americans don't find that acceptable. We have a justice system based on punishment and a populace who wont accept anything less no matter what the condition of the person who committed the crime. Most Americans dont believe that serious mental illness is even real. Look at this thread with the people who say he is faking. I didnt notice a thread on it, but Loughner was just given a plea bargain of life in prison 2 days ago. With all that evidence? After shooting a US senator in the head and killing a little girl in front of a crowd of people? And he got a plea bargain. That should tell you everything you need to know about what his mental condition was. They judge found him to finally be competent to stand trial, but that was just a sham. That was just so they could offer the plea deal legally. And now they get to keep the public from seeing how mentally ill he is. Obviously someone with as serious a mental illness as Loughner should have been sentenced to a mental institution. But that's not justice in Americas eyes. They want justice even when there is none to be had. It sucks that people can die and it is a situation where we cant even get justice out of the situation, but it does happen. But not in America. If they could have somehow have given Jared Loughner a trial without us being able to see him then believe me he would be headed to death row instead of life in prison. In America we will execute a mentally ill person and feel much better about that than we would about them being sentenced to a mental facility. They are going to do the exact same thing with Holmes. And America will cheer it on. Americans for the most part simple dont believe in this kind of mental illness.

Whoa. I dunno what motivated me to see what was now going on in this thread but I'm glad I came in and saw this post. Great post; well said!

[oatmeal]

So.. They ended up shaving James Holmes head, and here's his new mugshot, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1902296.html

NOW he looks like his school ID.

[Pandaman]

So.. They ended up shaving James Holmes head, and here's his new mugshot, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1902296.html

Looks like Idra with cleaner eyebrows.

[Mrs. Manky]

So.. They ended up shaving James Holmes head, and here's his new mugshot, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1902296.html

The reflection of the cameraman in his eyes make his eyes look like those of a goat. Square pupils.

[DECK'ARD]

Argh, why did I come in here.

Those eyes!

[HAL_Laboratory]

Hey guys the Moon landing was a hoax. Also 911 was an inside job. Jesus is real though.

[Kentpaul]

Hey guys the Moon landing was a hoax. Also 911 was an inside job. Jesus is real though.

Why are you posting 9/11 conspiracy outside of the conspiracy thread ?

[Riggs]

Why are you posting 9/11 conspiracy outside of the conspiracy thread ?

Lol, ya why? I am going to report this guy.

Did not come here for a laugh but ty Kent.

[Kung Fu Grip]

Hey guys the Moon landing was a hoax. Also 911 was an inside job. Jesus is real though.

All true. The moon? Come on son. Look how long its been we "landed" there. Don't tell me you believe everything the Goverment, president, and news tells you???

911? Come on son. So many lies and secretes going with that and we'll never know the 100% truth.

Jesus? Well do you see him as person or a person with special powers? =]


That dudes picture looks like he's acting. lol.

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So.. They ended up shaving James Holmes head, and here's his new mugshot, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1902296.html

What's the quote Banner says about Loki in The Avengers?