[half a moon]

Yeah, for me the value curve wasn't there - I didn't get enough enjoyable time for my money, versus the annoying bits the drug brought along (specifically the inability to sleep and the nose gettin' all fucked up). There were individual experiences that I enjoyed, but most of the time it was always a mad rush to get through to 3-6 grams me and my friends would buy, and then increasing desperation as we started running low and concocting plans to get more, to which eventually the night would be killed, dawn would break, and we'd all be sitting around (or laying around, frustratedly), blowing our noses, shell shocked from being awake so long, grumbling as to which one of the others were hitting lines that were too large. My scale is something like 1. Ecstasy 2. Shrooms 3. LSD 4. Heroin 5. Oxycodone 6. Marijuana (top shelf, not Mexican brick weed) 7. Peyote 8. DMT 9. Alcohol 10. DXM 11. Methylphenidate 12. Morphine 13. Ketamine 14. Coke 15. Meth . . . 1289. Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) I'm sure I'm missing a bunch though heh, didn't even think about that. that is funny hehe

So, would you rather spend a week smoking marijuana or doing oxycodone?

[BobTheFork]

I've done it before but I wouldn't buy any.
For year 2000 we had a big ass coke party *shrugs* It was my first time. The drug is ok is small doses I guess but DAMN does it make people act wierd. I'm really not the kind of person who should be doing 'ups' anyways.

[bone_and_sinew]

I've never done cocaine. Actually, I've never done anything but weed. Is it fun?

Overrated imo. I'd rather smoke a dirty than snort it. edit: Although I avoid dirts anyway. I'd rather smoke an all-weed blunt than a dirty 99/100 times.

[salva]

What a terrible yield. I'd give him a C. There must be more efficient ways, right?

[blame space]

salva, how deep into the coke game are you?

[Amir0x]

I'm not judging. I just think it is weird. Your justifications are completely full of shit, but that's nothing new.

As usual, the people who want to call me out just make empty comments with nothing to back up their position, whereas I spent great time putting effort into my posts and positions. What, precisely, is full of shit about my 'justification'? Everything I said is factual - the MDPV was legal when I did it, I was not advocating its use, and drug legalization is an extremely common and straightforward political position which demands discussion. That's all this is, discussion in detail of drug use from people who have experience in the field. No one here is saying "now run out and snort cocaine" or "man, you should hit up that drug dealer on the street for some E."

If you asked me if I felt some drugs were beneficial, absolutely. They can provide eye-opening and enjoyable experiences that are really no different from bungie jumping or skydiving on the balance; they're all relatively dangerous activities that have some reward (read: high) at the end that you must account for when assessing whether it's worth it or not.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you actually have a thought here and aren't just being dense.

So, would you rather spend a week smoking marijuana or doing oxycodone?

I would rather spend forever doing oxy, I just wouldn't want to suffer the come down the second I stopped. At least with weed when you finish smoking you just feel a little sluggish starting your day and that fades away quick :P

[Fenderputty]

For people that are proponents of legalizing all drugs, how exactly would you go about doing it if chemicals like ammonia, sulfuric acid and gasoline are needed to create cocaine. I know we have pretty lax standards, especially when it comes to capitalism... evident by stuff like Pink Slime, but I doubt the government would allow the selling of a consumable product with sulfuric acid and gasoline. I suppose there are probably more scientifically sound ways of treating the coca to create the cocaine though...

Ummm ... why not? Unless you think the chemical additives we put in our cigarettes are any better.

Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These include nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT

[Amir0x]

For people that are proponents of legalizing all drugs, how exactly would you go about doing it if chemicals like ammonia, sulfuric acid and gasoline are needed to create cocaine. I know we have pretty lax standards, especially when it comes to capitalism... evident by stuff like Pink Slime, but I doubt the government would allow the selling of a consumable product with sulfuric acid and gasoline. I suppose there are probably more scientifically sound ways of treating the coca to create the cocaine though...

I really am starting to think people need a crash course in chemistry or something. There is a consistent, non-stop misunderstanding of what these things are doing. You're not snorting a drug that has any ammonia left in it when you do it (at least, virtually none remains). The ammonia is used to separate the cocaine paste from the diesel fuel after the chemical conversion has taken place.

Using ammonia to separate one thing from another is an extremely common occurrence in the world of chemistry, and you also buy (and certainly use) all sorts of products that were I to list the different chemicals and disgusting shit used to get to the end result, you might freak out.

You are not using an end product that is 1 part ammonia, 1 part diesel fuel, 2 parts cocaine. The end result is a pure cocaine powder; that is the power of chemistry.

[salva]

salva, how deep into the coke game are you?

Pretty damn deep, mangz.

[blame space]

check PMs

[shamanick]

Well over 50% of people will try some drug in their life.

I don't know the stats, but I'm sure that if you include legal drugs, it would be well over 99.999999%.

I don't think some people have even a very basic understanding of chemistry. Synthesis of a chemical compound isn't like no-bake cooking. You don't throw a bunch of shit in a pot, mix it together, and create something that is merely the sum of its parts. Chemistry, as someone once said, is the study of change.

[Amir0x]

I don't know the stats, but I'm sure that if you include legal drugs, it would be well over 99.999999%.

Yeah, obviously if you include alcohol or cigarettes, the number is so high as to be pointless. I was just making it clear, since the objection seemed to be that this discussion was being had about illegal substances, and it is important to note that

1. The government has made arbitrary lines between what drug is legal and not legal; such arbitrary governance should not dictate whether a discussion is OK or not.
2. That it is and will remain a huge part of life for hundreds of millions of people, and trying to hide it just makes that world more dangerous.

I don't think some people have even a very basic understanding of chemistry. Synthesis of a chemical compound isn't like no-bake cooking. You don't throw a bunch of shit in a pot, mix it together, and create something entirely new. Chemistry, as someone once said, is the study of change.

I think that someone was Walter White. ;)

But yeah, is as you say. Chemistry is amazing. We should start a chemistry topic

[jett]

Can't believe people snort this garbage. It's gasoline and ammonia.

[salva]

I don't think some people have even a very basic understanding of chemistry. Synthesis of a chemical compound isn't like no-bake cooking. You don't throw a bunch of shit in a pot, mix it together, and create something that is merely the sum of its parts. Chemistry, as someone once said, is the study of change.

Chemistry is much more complex than that. It's tough, but a lot of fun!

Can't believe people snort this garbage. It's gasoline and ammonia.

As it's been said a thousand times in this thread already, you're not snorting that. If the end product is pure, like it's supposed to be, you won't be snorting those chemicals. The coke from that video is full of impurities because his techniques are just terrible and unsanitary.

[Sqorgar]

As usual, the people who want to call me out just make empty comments with nothing to back up their position, whereas I spent great time putting effort into my posts and positions. What, precisely, is full of shit about my 'justification'?

You want to use drugs because they get you high. There is no greater purpose. But you justify it as having a simple political opinion or that it is simply a matter of risk assessment. It's just like skydiving! Are you fucking kidding me? I'd say that you are drinking your own Kool-Aid, but you'd probably just take it as a suggestion.

You talk on and on, in multiple threads, about all the positive experiences you've had while high as a kite and for some reason, you don't see that as advocating drug use. People are arguing about whether kids will smoke because of a cartoon camel and you are suggesting that sex on cocaine is like... let me get the quote right... "the feeling is like shooting your entire essence out of your dick or some shit." So yeah, I think you might be advocating drug use just a little.

Look, it's your life and you are welcome to waste it in whatever manner you see fit. I don't judge you for using drugs. If you were my friend, I'd beat the ever loving shit out of you, but you aren't my friend and that absolves me of any say in or responsibility for your life. I was merely pointing out that:

A) NeoGAF is super concerned about hurting feelings, but not so super concerned about the admitting and promoting of illegal activities.

B) You are full of shit.

[Raiden]

I've never done cocaine. Actually, I've never done anything but weed. Is it fun?

Well, if i could afford it i would be a cokehead for sure. Its fun, not the most "fun" but i have to say its the most addicting drug i tried.

[shamanick]

...you are suggesting that sex on cocaine is like... let me get the quote right... "the feeling is like shooting your entire essence out of your dick or some shit." So yeah, I think you might be advocating drug use just a little.

By the same token, the fact that the DEA lists "euphoria" as a possible effect of a particular narcotic is advocating drug use. I'm not sure if you've ever done intoxicating drugs (including alcohol); the fact is, sometimes they can cause pleasure. That's part of their allure.

[blame space]

Sqorgar you're pretty offended by drug use huh

[Sqorgar]

Sqorgar you're pretty offended by drug use huh

I lost a friend. He suffocated while inhaling homemade nitrous oxide inside a plastic shopping bag. It was a senseless, worthless way to die and it pisses me off that he threw away his life chasing something as petty and fleeting as a "nice buzz".

[Poimandres]

A) NeoGAF is super concerned about hurting feelings, but not so super concerned about the admitting and promoting of illegal activities. B) You are full of shit.

You do realize that some things are legal and illegal in different countries, and GAF is a global community right?

Also, I genuinely believe that some drugs can be used beneifically, legal or otherwise.

[blame space]

I lost a friend. He suffocated while inhaling homemade nitrous oxide inside a plastic shopping bag. It was a senseless, worthless way to die and it pisses me off that he threw away his life chasing something as petty and fleeting as a "nice buzz".

i am really sorry that you lost your friend. i really am; i have lost friends too, and it doesn't get any easier. but you're attacking the wrong thing here.

[Sqorgar]

i am really sorry that you lost your friend. i really am; i have lost friends too, and it doesn't get any easier. but you're attacking the wrong thing here.

What is it that you think I'm attacking?

[Amir0x]

You want to use drugs because they get you high. There is no greater purpose. But you justify it as having a simple political opinion or that it is simply a matter of risk assessment. It's just like skydiving! Are you fucking kidding me? I'd say that you are drinking your own Kool-Aid, but you'd probably just take it as a suggestion.

I never said anything except that I use drugs to get high. I was justifying this discussion in the context of drug legalization, which is one hundred percent true. That is why such discussions are important and that is why such discussions remain valid on neoGAF. But don't get it twisted, there is a fine line here and sometimes these threads do get shut down (Your definition of 'advocating' is absurd, by the way).

The problem here is that you clearly have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about. Take the problem you have with my comparison. Comparisons have been made for ages, by actual scientists in actual studies, about the similarities between the very real highs people get when chasing the 'rush' of skydiving and bungie jumping and the very real highs people get when taking drugs. And, like drugs, these activities involve a high level of risk (in fact, base jumping is far more dangerous than most drugs.) Hell, there was a special on National Geographic just the other day where they were having a discussion about what motivates skydivers/base jumpers, and the conclusion was that it's a 'high' similar to any drug. The similarities are so obvious as to be embarrassing for you with your 'kool-aid' talk. Shows you're not thinking about the subject rationally.

You talk on and on, in multiple threads, about all the positive experiences you've had while high as a kite and for some reason, you don't see that as advocating drug use. People are arguing about whether kids will smoke because of a cartoon camel and you are suggesting that sex on cocaine is like... let me get the quote right... "the feeling is like shooting your entire essence out of your dick or some shit." So yeah, I think you might be advocating drug use just a little.

I hate to break it to you, that's the reality. If we're going to have a honest, open discussion about drug use, the only way to discuss it is by not hiding the truth. Hiding the truth is what inept D.A.R.E. representatives do and government commercial campaigns do, try to fear monger people into not understand the true benefits and risks of these things. And then when a kid does a drug and finds out it's not what the adults have been telling him/her for years, they think it must not be nearly as dangerous as people suggest. And sometimes that leads to making poor choices that can up the risk factor by a ton.

And the truth involves being honest about the 'euphoria' these drugs offer. Even drug enforcement websites list euphoria as a side effect... are they advocating drug use? If these rewards were not there, nobody would do drugs. Similarly, as already mentioned, GAF is a global community; drugs are legal or decriminalized in many, many countries. Do you think this is a place where only US-centric topics can be discussed?

That does not mean I advocate doing drugs. I have on many, many occasions discussed the various dangers and risk factors involved with doing drugs. I've spoken at length about the safer and more responsible paths for taking them if you have to do it, and how it's extremely important you are making an informed decision before trying anything. Research and understand is crucial before responsibly deciding to do these things or not to do these things.

But, the reality is I have had many good drug experiences too. That's simply the truth. And in the final analysis of the subject, one must be open about the reasons people use.

If you actual care about reducing drug use and preventing incidents like your friend, you'd put an emphasis on decriminalization, rehabilitation and education. TRUE education, not this half-in, half-out fear shit that is currently endorsed by the government. In countries that have decriminalized and done exactly this, drug use has gone down exponentially.

Look, it's your life and you are welcome to waste it in whatever manner you see fit. I don't judge you for using drugs. If you were my friend, I'd beat the ever loving shit out of you, but you aren't my friend and that absolves me of any say in or responsibility for your life. I was merely pointing out that:

News flash: There is no purpose to life. The pursuit of pleasure is all that matters. Everything people do, whether it's drugs, whether it's starting a family, whether it's watching tv or jerking off or even working, is in the pursuit of that simple, chemical response called pleasure.

Therefore, it's inane to say one is 'wasting' life by calculating the risks and determining that for ME personally (and this is not the same decision others should make; it's a personal one) the use of these things is worth it, since it creates pleasure feedback so high that it is literally impossible to replicate in every day life. I feel like I would have wasted my life not to have felt these things.


But I admire those who don't do it, and find their pleasure in other ways. THAT is true 'not judging.'

B) You are full of shit.

too bad you've only hurt your case in this regard.

[Immortal_Daemon]

I lost a friend. He suffocated while inhaling homemade nitrous oxide inside a plastic shopping bag. It was a senseless, worthless way to die and it pisses me off that he threw away his life chasing something as petty and fleeting as a "nice buzz".

Homemade nitrous oxide out of a plastic bag..... your friend was an idiot.

Drugs made properly in the correct hands can be highly beneficial.
We spend our entire lives getting high. Everything you do is (or should be) designed to maximize your pleasure and minimize your displeasure. You're always trying to be high.

A nice buzz feels really damn good. It's like sky diving... except better because you can multi task instead of falling through the sky.

[Wolf Dawgz]

You do realize that some things are legal and illegal in different countries, and GAF is a global community right? Also, I genuinely believe that some drugs can be used beneifically, legal or otherwise.

In what country is cocaine legal for recreational consumption?

[CREMSteve]

NeoGAF is weird. You can get banned for using AdBlock, using gendered insults, inadvertently insulting transsexuals, or having a bad sense of humor. But you've got ex-mods advocating a variety of very illegal narcotics.

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[commedieu]

What the fuck?

This thread is not about drug advocation. Stop trying to troll Amirox and get him banned, which is clearly what you're trying to do. Its a discussion about drugs in the thread about how cocaine is made. Sqorgar, you're doing nothing but judging...If theres something wrong with something Amirox is saying, a Mod will deal with him. Take your hallpass monitor badge elsewhere.

I've had positive experiences on drugs, as well as bad ones. As any person answering the original question noted the ups and down.

Drug use is risk assessment, and its directly tied to smoking, alcohol use, or jumping out of a plane. All have its ups and downs, but prescription pill abuse kill more people than cocaine and weed combined. No chemicals in your body is good, but people do things for their own personal reasons, no one in this thread is in any position to judge anyone over it.

[Norml]

Looks like gas is used to extract it and the sulfuric makes it bind together?

I found coke to be highly overrated.

[Kaako]

Wow Sqorgar...are you for real?
It sucks that your friend made a stupid decision.

[WX3]

yeah the best thing about coke is that it is probably the best drug to have sex on. Unlike Ecstasy (I can barely stay hard on this), it's extremely easy to ejaculate on coke, and the feeling is like shooting your entire essence out of your dick or some shit.

I feel I have better control and can go longer as well. Is that the case with anyone else? I get the same reaction on narcotic painkillers, which I prefer more than anything out there!

[Amir0x]

I feel I have better control and can go longer as well. Is that the case with anyone else? I get the same reaction on narcotic painkillers, which I prefer more than anything out there!

well I can't say I get that reaction from painkillers. I can barely even keep myself hard on that shit :P

but painkillers are my vice of choice at the moment, really easy to get, really cheap, fantastic, laid back buzz.

[Poimandres]

In what country is cocaine legal for recreational consumption?

Here's a quote from the Bolivian constitution: "The State shall protect native and ancestral coca as cultural patrimony, a renewable natural resource of Bolivia's biodiversity, and as a factor of social cohesion; in its natural state it is not a narcotic. Its revaluing, production, commercialization, and industrialization shall be regulated by law."

So cocaine is illegal... but the plant in it's natural state is not a narcotic.

[blame space]

What is it that you think I'm attacking?

amir0x and/or the way this forum is moderated

[WX3]

well I can't say I get that reaction from painkillers. I can barely even keep myself hard on that shit :P but painkillers are my vice of choice at the moment, really easy to get, really cheap, fantastic, laid back buzz.

What do you prefer? I'm not into the harder painkillers, just some Vicodin or for a prolonged nice warm buzz, tramadol. On tramadol I can slam my dick in a car door and not feel a thing which sometimes makes the sex a sweaty, looking at the clock kind of ordeal for me. My wife doesn't mind, she can get off left and right just as long as my sweat don't drip in her eyes when shes on her back!

Oxy and morphine I used to do but got pretty messed up over those and rehabbed. Never went back, mainly because how much I like the weaker drugs high.

[commedieu]

amir0x and/or the way this forum is moderated

yep.

[Amir0x]

What do you prefer? I'm not into the harder painkillers, just some Vicodin or for a prolonged nice warm buzz, tramadol. On tramadol I can slam my dick in a car door and not feel a thing which sometimes makes the sex a sweaty, looking at the clock kind of ordeal for me. My wife doesn't mind, she can get off left and right just as long as my sweat don't drip in her eyes when shes on her back! Oxy and morphine I used to do but got pretty messed up over those and rehabbed. Never went back, mainly because how much I like the weaker drugs high.

Well heroin is the best feeling opiate on the market, but I hardly ever do that since I can almost never find the smokable stuff, and there's no way I'm injecting anything. If I could find the smokable shit, that'd probably be my choice lol

So I'm all oxycodone, Oxycontin 30/60mg style. Sometimes snorted, sometimes taken straight depending on my mood. My problem is that I've let this habit get a little away from me, my tolerance is super high right now. I usually set aside two weekends a month to party on the stuff, and still my tolerance is like 280mg a pop to get that buzz anymore.

Anyway, for the Sqorgar's of the world:

These drugs can be extremely dangerous and one should do thorough research before trying anything out. Not all drugs are for all people. You may have certain risks of interactions with drugs, a weak heart, rough lungs, anything... and you have to make an honest assessment before determining what you do. Similarly, dosages and body weight factor in dramatically with a lot of these substances. Please be assure you take the minimal amount and work your way up if you MUST do these things.

[The Big Rig]

I guess smoking weed is pretty pedestrian in this thread.

[macuser1of5]

my tolerance is like 280mg a pop to get that buzz anymore.

Jesus Christ

[Amir0x]

I guess smoking weed is pretty pedestrian in this thread.

no dude it's pretty OK ;)

Jesus Christ

i know...i know :(

[Sqorgar]

amir0x and/or the way this forum is moderated

I don't care if someone I've never met or ever will meet does drugs. I'm attacking him for the justification that it is no different than skydiving. Amir0x strikes me as a bright, young person who has become really adept at justifying whatever opinion he wants to have, regardless of how smart or justified such an opinion is. I just want to remind him, and others like him, that just because you've convinced yourself, doesn't mean you are convincing.

Stop trying to troll Amirox and get him banned, which is clearly what you're trying to do.

Honestly, I was expecting to be the one banned. Like I said, illegal narcotic use seems to be oddly acceptable here.

Drug use is risk assessment, and its directly tied to smoking, alcohol use, or jumping out of a plane.

Risk assessment? I guess all those junkies just used the wrong actuarial tables, huh? Man, it's just too bad that Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, John Belushi, Michael Jackson, Corey Haim, Anna Nicole Smith, Heath Ledger, River Phoenix, and Amy Winehouse were too stupid to use drugs responsibly. Someone should tell Whitney Houstin, Nick Stahl, and Macaulay Culkin that they forgot to carry the one.

Risk assessment involves knowing the odds. In 2009, there were 4.6 million drug-related emergency room visits. That includes alcohol and prescription drug abuse. Roughly a million visits were strictly illegal substance abuse, with cocaine representing over 420,000 visits, pot 380,000 visits, and heroin 200,000 visits. And not a single fucking one of them thought it was going to be them. Other people are junkies. Not me. Never me.

Homemade nitrous oxide out of a plastic bag..... your friend was an idiot.

No. He wasn't. He was in gifted classes with me and was very bright. He had a shitty home life and that caused him to seek out drugs. You guys all think, well that guy was stupid. I'm not stupid. That would never happen to me. All those other people have problems.

My friend wasn't an idiot, and that's what makes his tragedy that much harder to take. He knew better. He just didn't think it would happen to him.

News flash: There is no purpose to life. The pursuit of pleasure is all that matters.

See? This is what I'm talking about. This is the most flimsy of justifications, but I'll bet you buy it completely. Nobody over the age of 15 would ever say something so stupid in public, but it allows you to do what you want, so you latch onto it like a man in the desert latches onto his last drop of water.

You don't really believe this. I know you think you do, but you don't. Deep down, you know it is a flimsy, irresponsible viewpoint and I know that if anyone ever used the same argument against you, you'd shoot them down quickly and think less of them as a person. So why do you think such a statement represents an air tight defense of your behavior?

[mariachi507]

So I'm all oxycodone, Oxycontin 30/60mg style. Sometimes snorted, sometimes taken straight depending on my mood. My problem is that I've let this habit get a little away from me, my tolerance is super high right now. I usually set aside two weekends a month to party on the stuff, and still my tolerance is like 280mg a pop to get that buzz anymore. [/b]

I did have a high tolerance to oxycodone but I made myself take a couple months off, now my tolerance is back to normal levels. I now only partake about once a month, sometimes twice depending on the occasion. Sadly a couple of my friends couldn't do the same and now they're addicts. After seeing what they've gone through when going through withdrawals I've been a little smarter about the whole thing. I seriously got no idea how anybody could survive doing 280mg at once though, that number is insane lol.

[oneils]

Cocaine sucks in just about every possible way. It seems like a con that it's so popular and expensive.

My friends tell me it makes you feel like superman. You sayin' they liars!!!!!!11111???>>>>>>/???/?/////>?,.//?>/

[Eric Walton]

hey guys if you need to hear fun horror stories about overdoses/people dying/how I nearly ruined 3 years of my life with the help of OxyContin, feel free to PM me. I can understand people want the whole story, and it seems like thanks to Ami we're (thankfully, for Ami) only getting the good side of the story.

Not to say anything AmiRox is saying is wrong, but I can see the benefits of understanding both sides of the story (somebody that can handle their drugs, somebody that cannot handle their drugs).