Soul_Pie
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(08-19-2012, 10:53 AM)

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#101

I think that boat has sailed to be honest, I don't think the Final Fantasy brand has that much pulling power anymore and I don't think Square Enix are even capable of doing justice to the original. If the Final Fantasy VII remake had come out day one exclusively for PS3 it might have had a big effect but that's all hypothetical.

As a lover of the original I'd prefer they don't touch it, leave it in the past where it belongs, Final Fantasy VII in a lot of ways is of its time, it's better placed staying there and serving as a landmark in gaming. I think digging up its corpse will only serve to show that its not groundbreaking in this day and age and stands merely as an average RPG with a lot of nostalgia attached to it. Final Fantasy VII, for me, is all about the historical context and represents a time in gaming that has long since passed.

I'm actually incredibly surprised it hasn't been done yet, though, Square Enix have milked nearly every game before it. Maybe it's a kind of last resort in case SE get desperate.
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Because a lot of people associate FFVII with the success of the Playstation brand. In some ways it is true.

However the Final Fantasy brand is so damaged that a remake of FFVII probably wouldn't effect hardware sales of any system. Not to mention I think that's Square-Enix's trump card for if(or when) FFXIII-3 is announced, released and sells even worse than XIII-2 and ruins the name more that Versus fails miserably when it finally releases. Think about it, if SE were to remake VII there would literally be nothing else they could do that the fans really want them to do.
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#103

Its release wouldn't save a system, but it would definitely move a ton of consoles. It was the gateway rpg for me and many others. Cloud is probably the most popular character square has.
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#104

No one game can really save a system, except for probably Call of Duty. A FFVII remake however would be a very strong game to have simply due to the iconic status behind it, and the hype behind it. It would certainly be a system seller to some folks, and a nice booster to the roster of games.

I wouldn't compare FFVII to any Ocarina of Time as if it's indicative of the sales to expect though. It's far bigger than any Zelda game, and there have been people clamouring for a remake for years. In terms of sales, I'd expect FFVII remake to do a minimum of 5 million. When it does get remade, it's going to be an event rather than just a game launch. I'd expect it to easily be the best selling Final Fantasy since FFX. Heck, maybe even since FFVIII.
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#105

Originally Posted by Dr. Feel Good: View Post
Why do people constantly think a Final Fantasy VII remake can "save" a system?
Overblown rose-tinted nostalgia, coupled with extra painful butthurt. There is no known cure so it will continue forever.
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Originally Posted by Dr Eggman: View Post
Yeah there's a lack of new games nowadays.
Great new ones.
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#107

It's one of those things that still lingers from the start of this gen, mostly it also comes from gamers who still believe FF can be saved.
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#108

Funny SE has remade other FF games, but done absolutely nothing with FF VII. Its too late in this gen to save any system.
PC version is the first step for a remake. Maybe next gen. Who are we kidding. It ain't coming.
The FF brand isn't what it used to be.
drkOne
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Constantly? I'm pretty sure the Final Fantasy fanbase has been dying over this generation.
Square missed the right timing to release the remake if they wanted to.

I do believe that a FFVII Remake in the first 2 years of the generation would've changed things quite a bit.
Nowadays it'd just be another game adding to the list at most.

Originally Posted by Verendus: View Post
No one game can really save a system, except for probably Call of Duty.
I disagree with this. EA would take that chance and finally one-up CoD.
CoD is what it is because everyone gets to play it, make it an exclusive and it'll just be something like Halo or Gears (read: it'd sell some systems, but it wouldn't save any system, and Activision would be losing a lot of money in the process)
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#110

Originally Posted by IdreamofHIME: View Post
OOT3D sold 3million copies and you think it will just be forgotten?
Man, youre all over the place. OOT3D's not even a remake, it's a freaking enhanced port.
Uh... no. It's definitely remake.
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#111

Because they don't know better.
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Every time I have played a remake from a game I am familiar with I have a hard time enjoying it as a new experience. I do appreciate remakes that improves gameplay mechanics or for games I have yet to play but I agree that remakes are not necessary.
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Originally Posted by zerokoolpsx: View Post
Funny SE has remade other FF games, but done absolutely nothing with FF VII. Its too late in this gen to save any system.
PC version is the first step for a remake. Maybe next gen. Who are we kidding. It ain't coming.
The FF brand isn't what it used to be.
That may be true, but lets be honest here a FFVII Remake would give square a step to bringing it back. I'd say either that or 14 being just absolutely stellar is the best chance they have now.
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Originally Posted by CadetMahoney: View Post
Overblown rose-tinted nostalgia, coupled with extra painful butthurt. There is no known cure so it will continue forever.
That's the Sonic franchise. You're in an FFVII thread.
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Originally Posted by storafötter: View Post
Every time I have played a remake from a game I am familiar with I have a hard time enjoying it as a new experience. I do appreciate remakes that improves gameplay mechanics or for games I have yet to play but I agree that remakes are not necessary.
Only the Twin Snakes remake ever bothered me.
Mainly since they chnaged the voice work (not for the better) and honestly the "enhancements" to the game just broke what was so special about it to begin with.

Definetly one of the few cases where more isn't always better.
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#116

It's not only one of the greatest games ever, it's the best game ever so of course it would sell like hotcakes. Put it on Dreamcast and boom, Dreamcast is the top selling console for at least 6 months.
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#117

Because people are idiots.
Randolph Freelander
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At least remake a good Final Fantasy. Leave VII on the trash heap.

Not that I'm encouraging everyone to start remaking everything, but given the state of the industry, a remade old game would at least ship with everything in it. How are they going to chop parts out and offer it as DLC? Assuming, of course, they go for a faithful remake and not a "reboot."
ShockingAlberto
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#119

Square couldn't even port it to PC right.
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Its old thinking from a time when so goes square so goes a bunch of rabbid jrpg fans to your system. FFVII is the reason a lot of people got a PSX. Some people just haven't woken up and realized square doesn't carry the weight it used to and the FF brand has been cheapened to the point where it wouldn't make much of a difference. Not a system saving difference at least. The genre as a whole doesn't have the pull it used to.
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Originally Posted by Dali: View Post
Its old thinking from a time when so goes square so goes a bunch of rabbid jrpg fans to your system. FFVII is the reason a lot of people got a PSX. Some people just haven't woken up and realized square doesn't carry the weight it used to and the FF brand has been cheapened to the point where it wouldn't make much of a difference. Not a system saving difference at least. The genre as a whole doesn't have the pull it used to.
While JRP's indeed don't have the pull they used to I still say a FF7 remake would be what gets the ball rolling again. Whether in the genre itself or at least in bringing up the FF name from the mud it's currently sitting in.

They could almost use it as a fresh start.
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#122

I'm sure that if SE ever makes a remake of FFVII they will try to bring it to as many platforms as possible.
Exclusivity days are long gone.
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#123

Playing VII for the first time now and that game has aged so horribly that a remake would ruin things either way. If they only spruce up the graphics/audio, leaving the game as is, then all the people who haven't played it before will see that the supposed best game ever does all the mistakes XIII did and more. If they retool everything they would need to retool, they'll piss off all the existing fans.
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#124

I'd buy it, and the system it is on. Along with a Vagrant Story II.
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#125

I replay FF7 every year and I cannot say the same thing about FFXIII.
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#126

Originally Posted by IdreamofHIME: View Post
who are these people?

I see a lot of people wanting it.
I see a lot of people saying it's a license to print money.
..I have never seen someone say it would "save" a system.

You make it sound like there's a big group that thinks this, can u show me them?
Man, this post was going so nicely and then BAM out of nowhere, "u."
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I wish people would stop asking for remakes. Really, create new games dammit please? >_>;

I don't think bringing back an old game is going to save it...:/
This. I can't imagine any remake where I wouldn't be infinitely more interested in a sequel/prequel/side story of.

Same with HD collections.
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#128

Ff7 art design was remarkable: midgar, ancient's temple and so on. Few ff later topped it: parts of ff9, rabanastre and few other parts
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#129

I mean, it couldn't hurt
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Originally Posted by Jawmuncher: View Post
Hell its still better than the majority of jrpgs that we've seen for quite some time.
Sorry, but that's some pretty faint praise.
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I don't think Final Fantasy VII remade would be anything but a nice selling title for S-E and whoever the platformers holder is. Here's why - In my opinion the most revered, beloved and iconic games of the PS1/N64 generation were MGS, Zelda OoT, Goldeneye and FFVII.

Three of those four have been remade, with FFVII the exception, and none of the titles were breakout success'. They all sold very well, and all made their publishers lots of money, but none of them did business that would be on the level of "system saving."

Why would Final Fantasy VII be any different? I think gamers, at the mass level, want to spend money on new experiences, not remakes.
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Originally Posted by BD1: View Post
I don't think Final Fantasy VII remade would be anything but a nice selling title for S-E and whoever the platformers holder is. Here's why - In my opinion the most revered, beloved and iconic games of the PS1/N64 generation were MGS, Zelda OoT, Goldeneye and FFVII.

Three of those four have been remade, with FFVII the exception, and none of the titles were breakout success'. They all sold very well, and all made their publishers lots of money, but none of them did business that would be on the level of "system saving."

Why would Final Fantasy VII be any different? I think gamers, at the mass level, want to spend money on new experiences, not remakes.
Toryiama new experiences<anything from squaresoft
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Originally Posted by BD1: View Post
I don't think Final Fantasy VII remade would be anything but a nice selling title for S-E and whoever the platformers holder is. Here's why - In my opinion the most revered, beloved and iconic games of the PS1/N64 generation were MGS, Zelda OoT, Goldeneye and FFVII.

Three of those four have been remade, with FFVII the exception, and none of the titles were breakout success'. They all sold very well, and all made their publishers lots of money, but none of them did business that would be on the level of "system saving."

Why would Final Fantasy VII be any different? I think gamers, at the mass level, want to spend money on new experiences, not remakes.
Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but of those ffvii arguable aged the worst. Its rudimentary models and charcter textures look terrible even when compared to other games from that gen and on the psx itself.
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#134

I think people just want a remake, dont care what system it is for.
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If they remade FFVII they would shit it up anyway, so I rather they left it alone.
I absolutely DETEST Final Fantasy VII and even I can agree with this.

Everything they've done to the game with the movies and pseudo sequels has been embarrassingly bad, just let it be what it is. The best they could do (for everyone) is to give it an Ocarina of Time 3D style remake; that is to touch up the graphics (without actually much changing them) iron out a few rough edges if needed and let it stay as close to the original version as possible.
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7 might of being revolutionary for it's day but releasing it just like it is with modern graphics won't do anything.
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OP, cuz every FF fan in the world will buy it.

hell, they're already buying the shit PC port.
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Because it would, at least in Japan.

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That's presumptuous. I wouldn't.
Then you're not a FF fan?
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Originally Posted by LiK: View Post
OP, cuz every FF fan in the world will buy it.
That's presumptuous. I wouldn't.
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FFVII remake would save a system I think. So much so, that if it was on the table, the only way it would be made is if it was completely multiplatform from inception for everything that could run it

A platform holder could offer to pay for the entire thing + marketing and SE would be idiots to take that deal
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Originally Posted by PixyJunket: View Post
That's presumptuous. I wouldn't.
you will!
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I'd only end up buying it if it was the exact opposite of what half of the people here want it to be.
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Only way it would look good is if they remade it with Kingdom Hearts style graphics. It would be the perfect 3D realization of FFVII.

Of course they would never do that because it would appear inferior to that Advent Children garbage.
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never got into the whole Final Fantasy VII thing mainly because there was this other game on the PC called fallout which came out around the same time. I honestly don't see the appeal of FF7 while its good I do not see it one of the greats. There are some many better RPGs out there then FF7
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I think people just want a remake, dont care what system it is for.
At this point, yeah. Early in the PS3's life would've helped the system immensely.
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I would much rather the resources went into expanding the Crystal Chronicles brand on next gen Nintendo platforms. And, in my opinion, without the Final Fantasy brand attached to it.
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#147

I would rather have a FF6, FF8 or even better, Vagrant Story, remake.
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More than the remake itself, it's the perception of it or implications of such thing happening.

Final Fantasy III certainly didn't make the Nintendo DS the juggernaut it turned out to be BUT it certainly made a certain RPG crowd turn their eyes towards the DS, let's not forget SE said they were considering the PS2 for a remake.

DS turned into a RPG haven and FF3 might have helped building that path. An exclusive FF7 remake for Vita wouldn't save it but it certainly would inspire confidence and other good things could definitely follow, (not gonna happen though)

there is some limited ammout of truth to the line "X game will save Y console", depending on the context or meaning of the phrase, but just that.
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#149

Square needs to get on board the sweet compilation train. Release one: The Legendary Fantasies, full price release. Final Fantasy 1-6. 1&2 get hd sprites, minor improvements for playability, plus a killer new game plus. 3 and 4 are upgraded ports of the ds remakes. Five gets ultimate hd sprite treatment, looks amazing. Six gets ultimate hd 3d remake, looks like a late gen ps3/360 title. Square uses this to remember how to make games, and remakes 7 with that new engine they are showing off.
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#150

Why doesn't someone kickstart it?