[Forkball]

Oh, so Japanese like Koreans but Koreans not Japanese? Or does it just show that it's a rather small percentage who acts so racist?

Honestly, you really can't group an entire people as saying "so and so hate so and so." It is really unfair to the MANY Japanese and Korean people who have no animosity towards each other and are actually interested in intercultural exchange.

[SUPREME1]

Their hateful message aside, those are some pretty awesome drawings.

[Steelrain]

Oh, so Japanese like Koreans but Koreans not Japanese? Or does it just show that it's a rather small percentage who acts so racist?

I'm pretty sure it's similar to any race that's discriminated against. I'm sure lot's of bigots love watching sports teams and cheer on people on the team of the race they discriminate against. They might even buy their merchandise and copy their styles. I bet they wouldn't associate with people from their race on a personal level or invite them into their social circles though.

Not saying this is all or even a majority though.

Most people don't give a fuck from what i've seen.

This senkaku situation has pissed more people off from what i've seen and heard.

[farnham]

those koreans are bad

but the worst are the germans imho

they talk about how they will atone for the sins of the third reich officially

at the same time the government secretly worked with neonazi terrorists that killed 12 turks and arabs in over 10 years. the government systematically tried to cover this all up until two of the terrorists commited suicide and the third one set their flat on fire to hide evidences (of course the government tried to hide the evidences as well and shredded all the files a few weeks after this all became public)

[Kurtofan]

according to your first hand impressions (at least steelrain) what would be the reason for that if not the language barrier?? if I were you, a foreigner with decent japanese knowledge to hold a conversation, I'd definitely ask... " I speak japanese, is it o.k if I am here or is there other reason?? "...

Maybe they don't do it because of the language barrier, but because of racism?

[El Sloth]

If I saw a place like that I would "accidentally" walk in and when I'm told to leave, fart on my way out.

I would prepare by eating a broccoli/cauliflower/cabbage/lentil soup and drink a liter of diet soda before heading out.

This is nothing more than terrorism. You're a god damn terrorist.

[kingslunk]

yay for losing money and customers due to be ignorant!

[sphinx]

Korean people yell at you if you speak English on the subway, well, this is mostly true after a certain hour.

I rode the subway in Seoul a couple of times but I never said anything, I didn't even get any unfriendly look from people there, nobody gave a damn about my obvious non-korean look.

anyway, it's sad to read bout your reports and those from steelrain.

it seems WAY worse than other conflicting relationships in other parts of the world. For instance, USA and Mexico don't like each other very much but at the end of the day, most people are kind and xenophoby is really rare, USA is full of mexican tourists and mexican beaches are full of americans and we get along rather well regardless of the strong cultural differences.

this Korean/Japan hate seems way out of control.

at the same time the government secretly worked with neonazi terrorists that killed 12 turks and arabs in over 10 years. the government systematically tried to cover this all up until two of the terrorists commited suicide and the third one set their flat on fire to hide evidences (of course the government tried to hide the evidences as well and shredded all the files a few weeks after this all became public)

you better back this up with links or something, because as it is, it reeks of bullshit.

[LiK]

not technically racist, nationalists?

[ChiTownBuffalo]

The weirdest thing I've ever heard from a Korean regarding Japan is the "soft food theory."

Theory is Jaopanese people have janky teeth because their diets were all soft food. No real crunchy rool vegetable, or chewy proteins to be had on the regular.

So generations of this caused weak gums.

Weird.

[Dyno]

I'm a white guy from Canada. I went to Japan for a while and worked about 20 years ago. It was the first (and only) time I experience blatant racism. We were turned away at restaurants and at some bars the wait staff would refuse to acknowledge us or take our order. One time the subway was completely packed and I was standing next to an old woman. The woman vacated her seat so that I wouldn't be standing over her. I was like 'fuck her' and took the seat and the two old people now beside me got up as well. I rode that whole fucking ride with an empty seat to either side of me.

Some girls who hung out with us were given a hard time by Japanese guys until we chased them off. They had dirty names for girls who would associate themselves with us. The only place you could get some respect was in Rippongi.

[monchi-kun]

This is because they only want japanese bukkake

[SUPREME1]

Always wanted to travel to both Japan and S.Korea (just Seoul actually). This makes me a little sad.

[Razgriz-Specter]

Also that's not Texas, you're thinking of Alabama.

Don't start with this BS.

[farnham]

I rode the subway in Seoul a couple of times but I never said anything, I didn't even get any unfriendly look from people there, nobody gave a damn about my obvious non-korean look. anyway, it's sad to read bout your reports and those from steelrain. it seems WAY worse than other conflicting relationships in other parts of the world. For instance, USA and Mexico don't like each other very much but at the end of the day, most people are kind and xenophoby is really rare, USA is full of mexican tourists and mexican beaches are full of americans and we get along rather well regardless of the strong cultural differences. this Korean/Japan hate seems way out of control. you better back this up with links or something, because as it is, it reeks of bullshit.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-806449.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-841759.html

[-COOLIO-]

it's times like this that i love the racial diversity and acceptance in toronto so much

[Kurtofan]

not technically racist, nationalists?

that's a fine line.

[Dead Man]

ChiTownBuffalo
Junior Member
(Today, 02:53 AM)


What happened?

[Dyno]

Always wanted to travel to both Japan and S.Korea (just Seoul actually). This makes me a little sad.

Do it! Both places are great and there is far more good then bad.

The places I was turned away come first to mind but it's not like I missed a meal. Lots of places and people were cool with us. There is so many awesome things to see and do in that part of the world. You shouldn't miss it.

[Kinyou]

Honestly, you really can't group an entire people as saying "so and so hate so and so." It is really unfair to the MANY Japanese and Korean people who have no animosity towards each other and are actually interested in intercultural exchange.

I guess it came out a little to rude. I was just a little struck by those child drawings. They gave me the impression that it's an issue that is very deeply rooted in their culture.

(...)Most people don't give a fuck from what i've seen(....)

That's good to know

those koreans are bad but the worst are the germans imho they talk about how they will atone for the sins of the third reich officially at the same time the government secretly worked with neonazi terrorists that killed 12 turks and arabs in over 10 years. the government systematically tried to cover this all up until two of the terrorists commited suicide and the third one set their flat on fire to hide evidences (of course the government tried to hide the evidences as well and shredded all the files a few weeks after this all became public)

Never heard of this conspiracy theory. I think it's far more likely that the government was just completely incompetent. Or do you think they enjoyed having their banks robbed?

[yn-neko hates a cat]

not technically racist, nationalists?

Are you making that assertion based on Asian being a race? As stated before, these prictices aren't limited to just other Asians. That's like saying the KKK are just American Nationalists.... that may be the case but they're also racists.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Are you making that assertion based on Asian being a race? As stated before, these prictices aren't limited to just other Asians. That's like saying the KKK are just American Nationalists.... that may be the case but they're also racists.

No, he's sating the Japan/Korea beef is more nationalism, than racism.

[chaostrophy]

Not sure if there was a thread about this on GAF, but a few months ago I heard from my brother (a white American living in Korea as an English teacher, who's married to a Korean woman) that a Korean tv network had broadcast this crazy program about interracial relationships. It seemed to me like something out of a Korean equivalent to Fox News, but apparently MBC is a mostly respectable network. He was pretty surprised by the whole thing because he's lived in Seoul for years and hadn't encountered much racism directed at him.

[numble]

Are you making that assertion based on Asian being a race? As stated before, these prictices aren't limited to just other Asians. That's like saying the KKK are just American Nationalists.... that may be the case but they're also racists.

If what Garou says about the sign is correct ("Japanese can enter if they acknowledge that Dokdo/Takeshima/Liancourt belongs to Korea"), then it is probably mostly about nationalism.

[Kinyou]

Not sure if there was a thread about this on GAF, but a few months ago I heard from my brother (a white American living in Korea as an English teacher, who's married to a Korean woman) that a Korean tv network had broadcast this crazy program about interracial relationships. It seemed to me like something out of a Korean equivalent to Fox News, but apparently MBC is a mostly respectable network. He was pretty surprised by the whole thing because he's lived in Seoul for years and hadn't encountered much racism directed at him.

lol...

[Cow Mengde]

I guess you guys never heard of World War II.

[TheKaeptain]

So how are Zainichi treated in Japan?

[Talon]

Well, there was a Korean drama three or so years ago about a Filipino mail-order bride. Seemed relatively progressive...for a sitcom.

[DarkKyo]

I've noticed many asian countries don't give a shit about appearing to be super racist(maybe not racist since they're "racist" against other asian nationalities, but you know what I mean), where as in other places like the US it's really taboo.

[Zoe]

according to your first hand impressions (at least steelrain) what would be the reason for that if not the language barrier?? if I were you, a foreigner with decent japanese knowledge to hold a conversation, I'd definitely ask... " I speak japanese, is it o.k if I am here or is there other reason?? "...

If you're a foreigner who can speak Japanese well enough to ask that, you already know the answer.

[Tacitus_]

Korean people yell at you if you speak English on the subway, well, this is mostly true after a certain hour.

Damn, you're almost making me reconsider my plans to go to Korea on a student exchange. Do they hate just yanks or all foreigners?

[Byakuya769]

ChiTownBuffalo Junior Member (Today, 02:53 AM) What happened?

My investigations proved the "my friend was a raped by her friend and won't tell her husband because her husband would beat her and she's about to meet the friend and hang out with him again" thread false?

[injurai]

It's old, I know, but here's some children's drawings showing how they feel about Japan: http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1550

how much of that is true racism? For all we know it could be the equivalent 'MURICA!

Sometimes harmless banter can seem quite hostile to an outsider.

[yn-neko hates a cat]

how much of that is true racism? For all we know it could be the equivalent 'MURICA! Sometimes harmless banter can seem quite hostile to an outsider.

It feels more like "my first hate speech" type of material rather than silly banter. It would be nice if the adults put this into the kids heads also made sure the kids had a healthy appreciation for satirical humor but I doubt that that's happening.

[Maluf360]

This is because they only want japanese bukkake

I am a long time reader and this is the first time I post here.

You are a genius, sir :)

[IrrelevantNotch]

how much of that is true racism? For all we know it could be the equivalent 'MURICA! Sometimes harmless banter can seem quite hostile to an outsider.

What the hell...

[Captain Chaos]

I would prepare by eating a broccoli/cauliflower/cabbage/lentil soup and drink a liter of diet soda before heading out.

This made me laugh

[Zoe]

how much of that is true racism? For all we know it could be the equivalent 'MURICA! Sometimes harmless banter can seem quite hostile to an outsider.

Would a US-shaped cow shitting out a Mexico-shaped turd be harmless banter as well?

[Alucrid]

Would a US-shaped cow shitting out a Mexico-shaped turd be harmless banter as well?

Holy shit. I didn't even realize that the rabbit was shaped like Korea until now.

[Zefah]

While "Japanese Only" is quite ludicrous, too, I think specifying a single nationality/ethnicity is a lot worse.

Anyway, this stuff happens in Asia apparently. I guess there is some kind of anti-Korean prejudice in Taiwan, too. You can find lots of images like the one below if you do a quick search:

[CharlieDigital]

^ This is new to me. What's the beef between Taiwan and Korea?

[Zefah]

Huh, I've been to Japan a couple of times (last time was in 2008) and I don't remember seeing signs like these anywhere, not even in smaller towns. Is this a recent thing? What kind of places usually have those signs?

In Hokkaido in particular, you can apparently find them at bath houses/"onsen." The logic given by some of the owners is that they had too many problems with Russians mis-using the facilities (entering the baths before cleaning themselves, fighting, using soap and shampoo in the baths, etc.)

An American turned Japanese citizen named David Aldwinckle sued one of the bath houses in question.

On Honshu, such signs are particularly rare. You can find a shop or two in Akihabara that has "no foreigners" signs. They sell stuff like model guns, surveillance equipment, etc. and seem to be run by hardcore right-wing nationalists. I actually chatted with one of the employees once about the sign. He was nice enough and said they didn't enforce the policy, but wouldn't tell me why the owners kept it up. I assumed it was to appeal to right-wing nationalist customers or something.

[RoyalFool]

In Hokkaido in particular, you can apparently find them at bath houses/"onsen." The logic given by some of the owners is that they had too many problems with Russians mis-using the facilities (entering the baths before cleaning themselves, fighting, using soap and shampoo in the baths, etc.) An American turned Japanese citizen named David Aldwinckle sued one of the bath houses in question.

I remember this, he has two daughters (same parents) - one of which was allowed in because she looked 'Japanese' and the other wasn't because she looked more like her dad. Considering they knew they were sisters I think he had every right to put his foot down over such stupidity.

[Ken K in the Fresh!!!]

Korean people yell at you if you speak English on the subway, well, this is mostly true after a certain hour. And whenever I've seen Japanese tourists in Seoul, there is awlays someone who talks some shit to a companion. Hopefully it isn't a drunk older Korean man, because he's had enough booze to not give a fuck. And yes, Korean establishments will kick you out for speaking Japanese. Goes both ways, I was in Japan and I was wearing a ROK soccer jersey and I was refused service at a bar. So I just went back to my hotel and changed shirts, no biggie. But the dumbshit I was, i changed into a ROK army tshirt. So back one more time. Part of it, I knew was coming, I have Korean themed tattoos, I just figured that wa sa double taboo.

u knew wtf u were doing when donning the jersey in the first place.. don't be so coy

unless you're in some bumfuck part of Korea, I doubt u will encounter blatant racism.. I was in and around Seoul, 2 years ago. had difficulty communicating with the locals but they tried their best to work w my broken Korean. I've seen people actively accommodate the Chinese and Japanese tourists as well. of course you might run into some jaded old (drunken) Korean man, but it's not like the streets are overrun by zealous ultra-nationalists

[Dram]

u knew wtf u were doing when donning the jersey in the first place.. don't be so coy unless you're in some bumfuck part of Korea, I doubt u will encounter blatant racism..

Doesn't that depend on your skin color?

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Yup.

It's funny when you think about it: in Britain, these sorts of signs existed right up until the 60s, and the natural response to this fact is "wow, that recently?". Meanwhile, it's still perfectly OK to put up signs like this in some countries.

[Zefah]

Until Japan actually apologize for their atrocities and actually acknowledge they were monsters during that time. The East Asian countries will continue to hate they. Most people don't know this but Japan's actions were no better than the Germans. Imagine if the Germans as in the government itself and the majority of its people completely deny the holocaust happen and repeatedly lie in their history books. Well that's basically Japan.

It's really not, though.

First of all, there have been many apologies from various parties and individuals, not to mention the massive amount of reparations and aid paid out.

Was what they did sufficient? Maybe not, but who gets to determine that?

[Zefah]

Its one way though for the most part isn't it? I don't remember seeing too many Japanese stars being as huge in Korea, especially after the 1998 ban on Japanese good, cultural and otherwise being lifted.

The K-pop situation in Japan is weird. It's promoted heavily in the media (especially on Fuji TV), but it's actual popularity amongst the Japanese populace is rather suspect.

[HappyBivouac]

Guys, basically every East Asian country has beef with every other East Asian country. 99% of it is extremely petty nationalistic bullshit. Saw a lot of it in China, though never actual signs barring a race/nationality from entry.

[Zoe]

The K-pop situation in Japan is weird. It's promoted heavily in the media (especially on Fuji TV), but it's actual popularity amongst the Japanese populace is rather suspect.

Seems to be winding down too. Assuming the popularity was there in the first place, I think they've over saturated the market.