[Crewnh]

The Joker character is not a nihilist/anarchist or whatever seething ball of resentment. He is just purely mental and has a sadistic sense of humor. That's the big thing, hurting people makes him laugh. Anybody who's familiar with the character would know that a smiling Joker in a clean suit is about to do something cruel and terrifying. While a greasy-haired Joker giving you the stink eye is just an actor going without sleep for too long.

Ledgers Joker is just as valid as Nicholson or Romeros. The Joker can be someone trying to prove a point (TKJ), someone just trying to cause mayhem (Soft Targets), or a prankster trying to cause trouble (many of the 60s Joker stories).

Youre implication that Ledgers Joker did not have sick sense of humour is quite silly as the movie is full of jokes (the fire truck thats on fire for example).

Grant Morrison came up with an explanation for the many wild interpretations of the Joker being the Joker creating new personalities at random but all with a common theme.

You can dislike Ledgers Joker all you want but it is true to the character as much as Nicholsons.

I mean seriously, Mark Hamills Joker goes through all of these interpretations with in the DCAU, and I would strongly disagree with anyone saying that Hamills Joker was wrong.

[Lionel Mandrake]

Lionel you should gif that part where he's going through Vicki's portfolio "Crap crap...crap...crap" "Ah here we go...the bodies...the carnage..."

[G-Fex]

Lionel you diabolical GENIUS.

[MarkusRJR]

Well I work at a theater and pretty much no one came during the first week due to the shooting in Aurora. Strangely enough, yesterday at the theater I work at people apparently saw someone with a gun and called the cops. People seem to be a bit scared of the theaters at the moment.

[Error]

No, the only thing that's a joke are people keep using the word camp without knowing what it means. Frying a guy alive with a hand buzzer is not camp. Shooting his second in command because he was annoyed is not camp. The only thing Ledgers joker was a ball of was shit.

frying a guy alive with a fucking hand buzzer is not camp? lol!

I bet you also think the scene where Joker takes out a handgun with a large as shit barrel to take out the batwing is not camp either.

those scenes are corny as fuck and ridiculous.

[Socreges]

In which year did more people go to the theater? Wasn't movie-going more common back in the day when there were fewer entertainment options?

[NinjaBoiX]

frying a guy alive with a fucking hand buzzer is not camp? lol! I bet you also think the scene where Joker takes out a handgun with a large as shit barrel to take out the batwing is not camp either. those scenes are corny as fuck and ridiculous.

Ignore him man, he clearly don't know what camp means.

Burton's Joker is camp, simple as that. He's like the dictionary definition or something.

[G-Fex]

Ignore him man, he clearly don't know what camp means. Burton's Joker is camp, simple as that. He's like the dictionary definition or something.

That's a pretty campy post

[PhoncipleBone]

In which year did more people go to the theater? Wasn't movie-going more common back in the day when there were fewer entertainment options?

Ticket sales overall keep declining.

[Dreams-Visions]

'89 batman was much more family-friendly.

also, Jack Nicholson.

[G-Fex]

'89 batman was much more family-friendly. also, Jack Nicholson.

stabbing a guy in the neck with a pen.

SUPER FAMILY FRIENDLY!

[corporate cheerleader]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKOwXfEXvAw

Look mom, isn't he funny?

[bunbun777]

Never rub another man's rhubarb. Also I had bought a few tickets to 89, none yet for the new one. Still do not know which one is better...

[MrCunningham]

Bob always reminds me of Phil Collins.

Best part about Bob the Goon is:



He had his own action figure.

Poor Bob though... he should've never given the Joker that gun.

[G-Fex]

CHECK HIS WALLET!

[NinjaBoiX]

That's a pretty campy post

Um, I guess. Good one?

[thezerofire]

I think the attendance of TDKR was impacted by the Aurora shooting. I know a lot of people who haven't seen it who otherwise would have.

[Discotheque]

It says in the same article that TDK sold 12 million more tickets than Batman. King? More like Prince.

TDK is King, Batman 89 is Prince (and features a song by Prince lawl), TDKR is the King's disappointing son who will never be King, and Batman and Robin is the court jester.

[Socreges]

Ticket sales overall keep declining.

Apparently that's only true since 2002. So it looks like about as many tickets were sold overall in 1989 as 2012.

[Draconian]

camp /kamp/ Adjective: Deliberately exaggerated and theatrical in style, typically for humorous effect. Yeah, your right, that doesn't sound like Nicholson's Joker at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eouqg5yThxY

[MrPink93485]

Apparently that's only true since 2002. So it looks like about as many tickets were sold overall in 1989 as 2012.

Population growth being a big reason why we're able to keep up. Still, population helps TDKR, though per capita, movie going was a bigger thing back then, so people were willing to see more movies per year in 89. 1989 was a bit of anomaly though given the huge increase in ticket sales. Summer of 89 was crazy though so the box office was probably just really hot that year. 2012 was looking good until late May. Avengers swallowed everything whole, no major breakouts in June besides Ted, then the shooting happened and since then, 2012 hasn't looked as bright.

[Socreges]

Population growth being a big reason why we're able to keep up. Still, population helps TDKR, though per capita, movie going was a bigger thing back then, so people were willing to see more movies per year.

Right, but I just wanted to make sure it was a fair comparison. If fewer people went to see films in 2012 than in 1989, saying Burton Batman sold more tickets would be kind of meaningless.

[C4Lukins]

Well it was a better Batman outfit. And every kid in America was wearing the same ten Batman tee-shirts. That movie was our Pokemon. As great as the Nolan movies are, you cannot compete with a period where there was not a cartoon network. Once 10 PM came, there was nothing for us kids to enjoy. You went to sleep or you watched F Troop. Home Alone, Batman, we went to those movies 5 to ten times in the theater. Or we watched Cheers and Dallas. We did not have a million different entertainment outlets like kids today have.

[Scullibundo]

It's like watching ants fight it out for 7th place.

[MrPink93485]

It's like watching ants fight it out for 7th place.

Wait till IGN makes the 'Gone With the Wind sold more tickets than Avatar' article.

[mysteriousmage09]

This thread is legendary.

[G-Fex]

It's like watching ants fight it out for 7th place.

it's the car right? Chicks love the car

[Majine]

TDK is King, Batman 89 is Prince (and features a song by Prince lawl), TDKR is the King's disappointing son who will never be King, and Batman and Robin is the court jester.

This is great.

[G_Berry]

Best part about Bob the Goon is: He had his own action figure. Poor Bob though... he should've never given the Joker that gun.

lol I totally had this!

[CloudWolf]

If thats true heath was the joker forreal he didnt even twitch to mess up his acting its like it just flowed with him.

I always loved how that scene where he blows up the hospital isn't scripted. Sure, the hospital was scripted to blow up, but Heath had no idea it was going to be a delayed explosion. The way he stays into character and starts spamming the hell out of the detonator button is just perfect.

[JonnyBrad]

Well it was a better Batman outfit.

He couldn't move his neck, which made some of his movements look a bit stupid. Other than that it was cool.

[MYE]

Batman Returns has the best ever



Its also a far better movie than 89

[ZoddGutts]

Not surprise. Nolan's Batman movies didn't really feel like real Batman. Hope the next director does a better job. That and actually getting good action scenes again.

[Sorcerer]

If The Dark Night rises had a scene where Batman sang "Your Body is Wonderland" to Catwoman, Avatar would now be the number 2 movie of all time and Titanic number 3.

Just saying.

[SunhiLegend]

Personally think it's between BB and TDK for the best suit.



Also, BB is the best batman movie. The first hour of that film is the best origin story told in any comic book movie.

And Heath Ledgers Joker is the best Joker.

[Jason Raize '75 - '04]

Well Batman 89 is better than TDKR so it makes more sense really

Very true

[captainnapalm]

Not surprised. Batman '89 was a phenomenon. There were news stories about people lining up for blocks to see it. It was a perfect zeitgeist moment. Just the right film for its time.

[LM4sure]

Chris Nolan is a hack. The new Batman movies were awful. Tim Burton is a god. He made the two best Batman movies ever.

This is about par for the course on GAF. Man, I wish GAF had been around back in 1989. You know people would be shitting all over Batman. That's what you guys do!

[jaxword]

Chris Nolan is a hack. The new Batman movies were awful. Tim Burton is a god. He made the two best Batman movies ever. This is about par for the course on GAF. Man, I wish GAF had been around back in 1989. You know people would be shitting all over Batman. That's what you guys do!

These two paragraphs contradict each other, since you're busy shitting on the current Batman movies.

So it doesn't make sense you'd want to be in 1989 and see gaf shit on THOSE current Batman movies since that's what you're doing now?

[bunbun777]

Maybe he forgot the "quotation marks"

[NullPointer]

Burton Batman was a huge media phenomenon at the time. Doesn't mean its a better movie.







(although it is better than TDKR)

And Heath Ledgers Joker is the best Joker.

Animated series Joker is still my all time favorite. Ledger's was awesome in its own way though.

[Discotheque]

Gaf is fickle but I appreciate the Burton films a lot. Returns especially for Christopher muthafuckin Walken and just an amazing overall style.

TDKR was just...a big disappointment for me. A decent film but it could have been great if they put more effort into it. The script felt sloppy for the first hour. A good trilogy for me though.

And for the record. Spiderman 1 and 2 >>>> Nolan trilogy, Burton films, X Men movies and whatever comic book films are out there.

2 is the perfect summer comic book blockbuster for me.

[TheOddOne]

[Log4Girlz]

One of the things I noticed about TDKR is that there is little to no "fun". DK had Joker so its all good. Catwoman didn't do enough for me. The Burton films were tons of fun.

[WoodenLung]

Even the awesomeness of Prince couldn't make that scene any less atrocious. Tim Burton's Batman in a single image:

Not sure what is much more awesome than those penguins. I really like Nolans batman movies too but... The old silly ones I probably liked a tiny bit more, just so dumb and great.

[EliCash]

Always baffles me that anyone cares about box office numbers. How can heated debates rise from ticket sales numbers? I could maybe understand if someone wanted a movie to do well for a sequel, or if they wanted the film to make its money back because it deserves to do so, but just doing it for the sake of the number or as if it's two sports teams going against each other is bizarre. It obviously isn't a mark of quality, why does anyone care?

[Log4Girlz]

Not sure what is much more awesome than those penguins. I really like Nolans batman movies too but... The old silly ones I probably liked a tiny bit more, just so dumb and great.

They were fun :)

[Pop-O-Matic]

These two paragraphs contradict each other, since you're busy shitting on the current Batman movies. So it doesn't make sense you'd want to be in 1989 and see gaf shit on THOSE current Batman movies since that's what you're doing now?

[not_so_special]

rbashing nolan´s batman is the new cool thing now?

[MYE]

last paost fuck that lol