[Charmicarmicat]

I'd like to find more hip hop I can get into. Can you list some examples, other than the Kanye ones (since I strongly disagree he's ever done anything better than MBDTF)? Recently, I love the new El-P if that helps.

I always bring up Dalek whenever someone wants a hip-hop recommendation. They honestly aren't for everyone as they are really noisy and not very typical, but their album Absence is the best hip-hop album ever made in my humble opinion.

[anaron]

Lol pitchfork

[BigGreenMat]

Seriously? It is like they have only ever listened to 20 or so bands. Ridiculous list.

[delta25]

Fucking list reeks of hipster.

Foo Fighters :The Colour and the Shape needs to be on that list.

[HiResDes]

Fucking list reeks of hipster. Foo Fighters :The Colour and the Shape needs to be on that list.

Stay away from making lists.

[delta25]

Stay away from making lists.

I know, its way to mainstream and needs more trend.

[kswiston]

It's Pitchfork. If you don't like indie artists, why even bother with this thread?

That said, if you get past the top 10 (which is still made up of some pretty great albums) there is some good stuff in that Top 200.

- The Moon and Antarctica would have been my pick for the best Modest Mouse Album also. Glad to see it high up the list

- I like Illinois, but feel that it is overrated. I prefer Age of Adz, Seven Swans, and a Sun Came (minus the stupid skit tracks) for different reasons.

- Live albums probably didn't qualify, but Kicking Television is my favourite album by Wilco. Combines some of the best from Yankee Foxtrot Hotel and A Ghost is Born, and throws in a few of their earlier tracks. I actually prefer a lot of the KT song versions over the original.

- I was never really able to get into Animal Collective beyond Merriweather, and a few random songs from their older albums, but it seems like the Pitchfork crowd loves them.

[Yaboosh]

Fucking list reeks of hipster. Foo Fighters :The Colour and the Shape needs to be on that list.

Have you heard many of the albums on this list?

Instead of writing things off because they are "lol so hipster" maybe you should keep an open mind and give them a try. There are a ton of legitimately great albums on this list.

[delta25]

It's Pitchfork. If you don't like indie artists, why even bother with this thread?

I wasn't aware Radiohead was indie.

[kswiston]

I wasn't aware Radiohead was indie.

Well technically they are now (In Rainbows and Kings of Limbs were self-published), but my point is that any list from Pitchfork (even if it is a Pitchfork readers' list) is going to be mostly indie and former indie bands. That's their niche, and therefore what their audience is interested in.

[delta25]

Have you heard many of the albums on this list? Instead of writing things off because they are "lol so hipster" maybe you should keep an open mind and give them a try. There are a ton of legitimately great albums on this list.

I never said the albums were crap, in fact the first two choices are amazing (granted I'd have Kid A in the number one spot), my problem is the list and its lack of any music outside your typical hipster/indie underground genre. Great music still exist on a mainstream/pop level.

[cacophony]

Challenge: Listen to the top 5 albums in a row without passing out of boredom

[Yaboosh]

I never said the albums were crap, in fact the first two choices are amazing (granted I'd have Kid A in the number one spot), my problem is the list and its lack of any music outside your typical hipster/indie underground genre. Great music still exist on a mainstream/pop level.

Pitchfork serves mostly those interested in your typical hipster/indie genres.


Would you complain about too much rap on a list compiled by BET viewers?

[delta25]

Pitchfork serves mostly those interested in your typical hipster/indie genres.

I hear what your saying but that list is far from music genre specific. Also, there are plenty of albums on that list that were made under huge mainstream record labels, so I guess I fail to see what constitutes as an indie/underground album.

[Yaboosh]

I hear what your saying but that list is far from music genre specific. Also, there are plenty of albums on that list that were made under huge mainstream record labels, so I guess I fail to see what constitutes as an indie/underground album.

I don't even understand what problem you are having here.

The list isn't the best Indie albums.

The list isn't the best non-mainstream huge albums.

The list is the best albums of the last 15 years.

It skews towards indie style rock/folk because the respondents skew heavily towards being fans of indie style rock/folk. That doesn't preclude them from also liking Kanye West, Jay Z, Radiohead or any other number of mainstream bands/artists.

[delta25]

I don't even understand what problem you are having here. The list isn't the best Indie albums. The list isn't the best non-mainstream huge albums. The list is the best albums of the last 15 years. It skews towards indie style rock/folk because the respondents skew heavily towards being fans of indie style rock/folk. That doesn't preclude them from also liking Kanye West, Jay Z, Radiohead or any other number of mainstream bands/artists.

nvm, I think its best I drop it.

night.

[coldvein]

kanyeeeeeeee

i dont like the list otherwise though.

[icarus-daedelus]

Challenge: Listen to the top 5 albums in a row without passing out of boredom

I might actually die from this.

[JJDinomite]

We have people in this thread laughing at the list, then asking where Tool is, or laughing at Radiohead but then calling A Perfect Circle one of the best bands in existence. Think about it, there was a guy in this thread seriously outraged that there is no Slayer or Fear Factory on this list. Someone else was curious as to why Johnny Cash is nowhere to be found here. Then we have people who claim that Animal Collective and Arcade Fire sound exactly the same, and people that are badmouthing Bon Iver while simultaneously praising the Black Keys. It's okay to disagree with the list, I certainly do (and I voted, which is apparently a sin here where everyone has to despise Pitchfork). But the above? All the questions asking "why isn't dadrock radio band x excluded when The Flaming Lips get a spot" could be answered with common sense. Look at the base who made the list.

Just going to quote you so more people can read this awesome post.

[ahoyhoy]

Challenge: Listen to the top 5 albums in a row without passing out of boredom

Is This Is? would be the only album on there I would struggle with (at least, if it came at the end).

Otherwise: those are all fantastic albums that I would love to listen to in a row on most nights.

[Eidan]

This list can only be improved with more Radiohead in the top 10, and In Rainbows being number 1. Admit it. The reason some of you are so pained by the praise Radiohead has received is that you secretly know they deserve it, and more.

[Johnlenham]

Going through that list Im like "I had that album! I know them!"
Quite surprised to see The Postal Service in there.! I just found out about alot of it all via bmx videos and myspace.. kind of strange to think that some of it was a big deal.

Edit: Actually making me kind of nostalgic.. Modest mouse, MGMT, and more than a few others used to be all I listened too. Also Kanye in top 10 is wrong, should replace it with House of Ballons (imo ofcourse ;)

[siddx]

lol I guess I'm just out of touch, I hated every album in the top 10.
shit, change that to top 20

[NinjaBoiX]

Don't have a problem with Ok Computer or Kid A. In Rainbows wasn't that good though.

I concur. Amnesiac is better than In Rainbows

In Rainbows is pretty much their best. That said, I feel like this list is bullshit.

Hail to the Thief > in Rainbows. List already shit.

Amnesiac is the best Radiohead album. There, I said it.

I'd say it's at least on the same level as Kid A, tho not as good as OK Computer. omg are we ranking them already

And this is why there are three Radiohead albums in the list.

[EVOL 100%]

This list can only be improved with more Radiohead in the top 10, and In Rainbows being number 1. Admit it. The reason some of you are so pained by the praise Radiohead has received is that you secretly know they deserve it, and more.

I respect your opinions and all that but..

No fucking way

[NinjaBoiX]

I respect your opinions and all that but.. No fucking way

In Rainbows and OK Computer are easily their two best albums for me. Closely followed by The Bends and TKOL. Kid A has its moments, I don't really rate Pablo Honey, and I haven't properly heard HTTF or Amnesiac.

[C4Lukins]

This just tells me that pitchfork is the ultimate musical cult. They tell an audience what is great, and that audience forces themselves to enjoy it. There are a lot of great albums on there though.

[Johnlenham]

This just tells me that pitchfork is the ultimate musical cult. They tell an audience what is great, and that audience forces themselves to enjoy it. There are a lot of great albums on there though.

huh?
Also I'd want to see what a list from the last 5 years would look like.

[C4Lukins]

huh? Also I'd want to see what a list from the last 5 years would look like.

I do not understand the huh.

[mescalineeyes]

And this is why there are three Radiohead albums in the list.

haha, well done :D

[Johnlenham]

I do not understand the huh.

Well on one hand you are saying they tell people what to like and they force themselves to like it and then on the other saying there are alot of great albums on the list?

Cant go both ways surely?

[mclem]

I own none of those. Go me!

(I don't own much music, and what I do own is usually old classics, weird stuff or showtunes)

However, my one overriding realisation from this: Fifteen years would basically put me back at the start of university. My word, I feel old.

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Yeah, you're right, they are disgustingly narrow-minded.

Correct.

[mescalineeyes]

Correct.

Have you ever left your douche-cave and listened to any band that is not "fucking metal"?

To call a readership that can have Kanye alongside Radiohead and Robyn narrow-minded makes you look like the most malinformed indivudual.

[Treefingers]

It's a popularity poll people..

obviously the common ground of p4k readers' music tastes will generally be artists featured on the site, doesn't mean people's tastes are shockingly narrow it means that is where their tastes overlap, surprise surprise.

[C4Lukins]

Well on one hand you are saying they tell people what to like and they force themselves to like it and then on the other saying there are alot of great albums on the list? Cant go both ways surely?

No I am just saying they are right some of the time.

I have been following Pitchfork for years, and that user list is made up of albums that they gave very high reviews across the board. The people who voted on this seem to be strangely sheepish in agreeing with the reviewers.

The site is very narrow minded though, focusing on a few genres and completely ignoring everything outside of those genres. It is a list that represents that site so I cannot really complain about it.

It just seems that they tell their readers what is good, and their readers eat it up. And nothing outside of the praise of Pitchfork reviewers made it on that list. It is just somewhat comedic to me.

[Kikujiro]

Can't believe there's not a single Exlosions in the Sky's album on that list.

[CiSTM]

When will we do same poll except from the day GAF was founded? I really would like to see what our list would look like. I would lol pretty hard if we had three Radiohead albums in our top 10 too. At least we would have more hip hop albums there.

[6.8]

I like most of these albums. That being said: lulz

[desku]

People who read Pitchfork like albums that Pitchfork likes?

What madness is this?!

[Treefingers]

No I am just saying they are right some of the time. I have been following Pitchfork for years, and that user list is made up of albums that they gave very high reviews across the board. The people who voted on this seem to be strangely sheepish in agreeing with the reviewers. The site is very narrow minded though, focusing on a few genres and completely ignoring everything outside of those genres. It is a list that represents that site so I cannot really complain about it. It just seems that they tell their readers what is good, and their readers eat it up. And nothing outside of the praise of Pitchfork reviewers made it on that list. It is just somewhat comedic to me.

Again it's a popularity poll. the majority of readers of the site generally agree with their reviews and share the site's music taste.. otherwise why would they be readers of the site.

I disagree with quite a few of those albums being where they are (and their reviews of them) but when you have tens of thousands of people voting for best albums what do you expect to get.

[skynidas]

[C4Lukins]

Again it's a popularity poll. the majority of readers of the site generally agree with their reviews and share the site's music taste.. otherwise why would they be readers of the site. I disagree with quite a few of those albums being where they are (and their reviews of them) but when you have tens of thousands of people voting for best albums what do you expect to get.

I understand that. I mentioned it in my post. It is a very specific audience voting here.

[bomma_man]

Reader voter lists, especially the top tens, always suck. It's like a universal law.

I like all the albums in the top ten, but they're all so canonical by this point that Inever really listen to them that much.

Also, it does feel like a bit of a parody, and provides the anti hipster crowd with a lot of material.

[Messofanego]

Can't believe there's not a single Exlosions in the Sky's album on that list.

There are better post-rock bands and albums. Yndi Halda, Samuel Jackson Five, God is an Astronaut, Grails, This Will Destroy You, to name a few.

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Have you ever left your douche-cave and listened to any band that is not "fucking metal"? To call a readership that can have Kanye alongside Radiohead and Robyn narrow-minded makes you look like the most malinformed indivudual.

When it ignores Biggie, DMX, Dr Dre, and Wu Tang you bet your ass I can. Of course if you had seen my mention of all those names numerous times in my previous posts, along with Of Monsters and Men and Naked and the Famous you would have know I listen to more than "fucking metal"....or seen my numerous Wu Tang threads. Lol

[Holy Wars]

In Rainbows isn't even as good as Hail To The Thief.

Kanye has no fucking place there and Pitchfork as a credible website (lol) pretty much died with its 10.0.

[theignoramus]

In Rainbows, my wife loves Radiohead (though I wonder if she would put 1 and 2 were they are), but even she admits it's meh. Also Kanye? Let's look at what came out in 1997 aka 15 years ago

also Blueprint 1, Dre 2001, the Eminem Show, Supreme Clientele. what a joke list.

[Johnlenham]

Is this on there anywhere? I couldnt see it.


There is Justice and Daftpunk in there aswell so you never know.

[skynidas]

Is this on there anywhere? I couldnt see it.

It is, number 60